The reason Phil Collins mentioned that there was no Fairlight CMI used on the album was because, at the time, the Fairlight was ubiquitous and used practically everywhere. It was one of the first samplers and entire songs (popular ones) used nothing but the Fairlight. There's a very famous orchestral hit sample that if you were to hear it today, you could immediately recognize as part of many songs of the day. Phil wanted to highlight that the strings and horns on the album were not created with a Fairlight. Technically speaking though, Phil did indirectly use the Fairlight on the album because he sampled a sound from another source which itself was taken from a Fairlight.
Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush both had the Fairlight. In fact, Running Up That Hill is entirely Fairlight CMI. People focus too much on the tools and not the process.
This sort of brings me back to 1986ish when you could pick up pretty much anything Atari related for like a buck because nobody wanted to maintain stock of it. So I bought all of the ridiculous and cloyingly awful Atari LPs, knowing perfectly well, even as a kid, that they were going to be bad. I really had no idea: The Yars' Revenge LP had a theme song on it, sung through a vocoder, while the literal 4-beat rhythm from the cheapest Casio keyboard you could buy played as the song's percussion. I know it was the cheapest Casio keyboard *because I had owned the thing for years.* A tiny, white thing that was barely over a foot long. They used that darn keyboard for the percussion!!
4:27 - I think it's more of a German _typo_ thing. (The German word for _catfish_ is _Wels_ and not even close to the English one.) 21:10 - We even had a TV show called _Telespiele_ (the _e_ just denotes the plural form) where people could call in and then play _Pong_ against the host. You can find episodes of it on TH-cam if you search for "Telespiele Thomas Gottschalk".
Thanks for the information about the television show. Looked it up despite not knowing German and found it a great watch. I used auto translated subtitles as an aid. The whole idea is crazy because you're dealing with so many delays between phone lines and transmission. Split second reactions appeared to matter.
Swedish artist Björn Skifs had PETSCII on the cover of his album "If... Then..." from 1984. (Most known as the singer of Blue Swede. Their cover of "Hooked on a feeling" went #1 on Billboard Hot 100 in 1974.)
That's pretty cool, as IF/THEN is a BASIC programming construct, and apparently (after looking up the album on Discogs) the PETSCII is actually hidden text, so the full title is "IF it really happens THEN it must be possible".
10:23 "The Race" sounds amazing. I can practically smell the cigarette smoke, and see the haze and purple neon. Sleek 80s sports cars, and some sort of determined montage. The sound and style are so definitive, it's like a timewarp!
The Lyrics to "Simon Basic" with the exception of the feds knocking on the door was exactly what it was like for me when I was 12-13, setting up the bulletin board, I did contact people from the Demo Scene by just sending letters to the addresses that you would sometimes find at the end of a demo.
You're right, it was a friendly dig at Peter Gabriel. PG's company Psyco Systems (run by his cousin in fact) was the UK distributor for Fairlight but Phil Collins wouldn't buy one :)
I think I've mentiond this before, but the reference to peeks and pokes got me going. Please make a video of you trying out Vision Basic. I know you have the REU's and what not to get it going on an original machine, I use it on a TheC64. I am in no way affilliated by the creator, I live on the other side of the world. But the pure fact that someone writes a high level programming language, a compiler, a sprite editror and a ~400 pages manual all by himself - using pen and paper while sitting in a hospital waiting för cancer treatmen... That's insane. And the result is marvellous, at least by my standards.
That "Dreamlines" track on the Catfish Transactor record, although I can hear the similarities to Delta, it wasn't the first C64 game music which sprang to mind... I thought it sounded more like "Shadowfire"... or maybe even a mix of the two.
Thanks for another great video! The album "Inaxycvgtgb" by 16 bit would have fit into this collection, too. No data or easter eggs that I know of, but the inner sleeve has an ad for the Amiga 500 that highlights its multi media capabilities. Apparently, I cannot post links here but Discogs has some pictures, release r378651 . The producers Michael Münzing and Luca Anzilotti would later found the eurodance project Snap! ("I've got the power!")
There was a band called Kft (means Ltd in Hungarian) who released an album in 1984 called Bál az operában (Ball in the Opera) with a Basic program printed on the cover. Originally the plan was that they would include the program on the vinyl record making a real multimedia disc. But since they have never made something like this before at the Hungarian Record Factory they had to change the original plan and print the text on the cover instead of recording the program on the disc.
Hi! I just wanted to ask if you ordered the new Mega65 and, if so, if you could upload some videos showing how good or bad is BASIC 10. Thanks in advance.
@@8_Bit Yeah. Thanks for the advice. But I'm from Argentina and, for some reason, I can understand your English pronunciation perfectly (We speak Spanish here) . Besides the fact that you use to make really good tutorials. It would be cool to see what a Mega65 running BASIC 10 is capable of in your hands. Anyway... Don't worry. I'm gonna see whats going on in the channel you've recomended. Cheers!
That was fun! Where do you find all these things?? I bet some of those records are incredibly difficult to obtain these days. 8:18 "Cal Lee op"? In the states, it's "Cah L-eye ah pee" 10:08 I did a quick search for this record (no luck). "Vanlukas" appears to be "Van Lukas" when I googled him. 22:34 dang, I bet that was disappointing
If you haven't already, check out the Discogs website; it's an amazing database for buyers and sellers, and music nerds. It's surprisingly easy to find most of these albums on there for reasonable prices. The really expensive one is Module 2 on vinyl, seems to start at $150! And you're right, of course, about Calipoe. Though it seems it should have been spelled "Calliope"?
Fellow Canadian here - it's definitely pronounced the way you typed it. It's got that tricky Greek thing going on, like "Persephone" that everybody messes up when they see it lol. FWIW a calliope is like those fancy organ grinder organs.
Very cool, I hadn't heard of this before. I did some searching and can't find a photo of the inside of the inlay. I'll see if I can track one down as I'll totally type it in on video if I get it :)
That's fantastic! Thanks for collecting and showing them all. My first thought when I saw the "cathfish" instead of "catfish" was wondering if it was a reference to a cathode ray tube... seemed a relevant coincidence. I might even stretch to say it could have been prescient of how we look at the world through our screens as if we're fish in bowls. :) But maybe that's a thread too far. hehe The lyrics on the C64 song on Simon BASIC was hilarious. I'm sure if I had heard of this album at the time it would have been a favourite to me and my commodore friends. haha Also happy new year. :)
What a missed opportunity by Flught Nach Vorn. The one time the managed to actually put something on an album, they left a dud. They really did flee forward but it didn't help them in that regard :)
Yeah here in sweden we said "TV games/TV spel" aswell. And its still used when talking console gaming to this day to some extent (allthough it is probably a more old fashioned name and expression at this point) . Games on the tv....video games kinda sounds a bit strange to us to use.
In Swedish videogames is still called 'tv-spel', directly tranalated to 'tv-game'. Likewise, computer games are called 'datorspel' which is also directly translated to 'computer games'. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I hope the Norwegian band Fairlight Children are mentioned ;)
The message on the 12" says that the actual "definitive video game" will be contained on the end of their next LP. This is the ultimate geek marketing to say "buy our album".
If Rib Hubbard was inspired by anything for the Delta soundtrack, it was Koyaaniqatsi by Philip Glass. Catfish may have been similarly inspired. The start of that track reminds me of the CRL game, Vengeance. It's not a particularly great game, but the music is decent enough.
Hey, have you checked ( Legend of Blacksilver ) for C64 its a fantastic game, that i and my friend played for many hours, back in 88 i think maybe 89, its was published by ( Epyx ) have played in recent years, still a great game, it would be nice to see that on your channel 👍
Robin, have you heard the album A for Amiga by cTrix? I don't think it's ever had a physical release. It's an album recorded in-studio using all real Amiga hardware from about 10 years ago.
I have the Lukash CD and tried to get the game track to Datasette with no success. I tried scaling it since it seems the track was in NTSC and I have pal. Didn't work. My last guess is something I read that the problem may be that I am using a modern stereo tape deck to copy it to cassette. Maybe the C64 can't read tapes that were written by a stereo tape deck, even if both left and right tracks are identical.
Yes, I've had a lot of problems with using stereo tape decks for data. The datasette expects mono, I believe, which is written as one "fat" track. Stereo tracks are two skinny signals with a gap in between, which a mono tape head is probably "confused" by.
A lot of artists were anti-synth back then, there was a backlash against it, but it ultimately didn't go anywhere after people like Micheal Jackson made that sound popular. And I believe the "Welt" is pronounced like "Velt".
By the way Bing Translate (from Microsoft) translates the German from 19:15 as: "The definitive telegame Escape to the Front can be found at the end of the next -LP- from Escape to the Front" I don't speak any German so I can't tell if this is a good translation (and it is different from the translations you gave...) but I guess it is an alternative translation. It's interesting that there was no game on their next LP, like you said they could be liars, or incompetent, or it could be a prank. Maybe the game had to get cut for some reason? I can imagine after you saying that the LP with the Easter Egg on had no locked groove, (which would have prevented the C64 data playback for people just wanting to listen to the music), that they got some complaints from people having their ears hurt by hearing the C64 data as audio, especially if they had the volume turned up! I can also imagine at least someone out there was scared by the noise of the data and probably complained angrily! Sorry for the wall of text with probably terrible spelling and grammar, I will continue watching the video now.
Telespiel was in fact a term used early in germany for videogame... "Tele" from television (but we never said television! We say "fernseher" and it means "far seer" and we "sehen fern" / "watch far" like in far away) and "Spiel" literally means game.
"Flucht nach vorn" actually is an idiom. It comes, if I remember this correctly, from the Prussian military language, although it's not used in military context anymore. I believe the closest translation that catches its meaning would be "forward defence". So, if you're defending your position by attacking an opponent in an argument, because you are with your back to the wall, that would be coined as "die Flucht nach vorn antreten" ("kicking into forward defence"). Another term for that is "Vorwärtsverteidigung", which is the literal translation of "forward defence".
i would agree about the complaints, they probably intended the data to be separated from the music to avoid offence but maybe the manufacturer didn't understand the requirement properly.
UPM = Umdrehungen pro Minute -> RPM = Rounds per minute……very straight in the translation. Sometimes German to English translations are so straight, that they sound wrong to us (Germans). One of the best examples is „long time no see“….(= Lange nicht gesehen)….it just looks and „feels“ wrong for an German that is trying to speak English.
This seems to be a multi-LP software collection @ 19:57 ... "Flucht nach Vorn" = "Escape/Flee (to) ahead" ... YES , "Telespiel" is a wacky Germanification of "TV-Game" ... German words spoken by an English-only speaker always sounds funny ... & understanding German even makes some names in USA in meaning & pronounciation very funny too like Mark "Zucker-Berg" (FaceBook) = meaning "Sugar-Mountain" & sounds like "Sucker Berg" from an english tounge ... (even "Ep-Stein" sounds funny ... Stein = Stone .... & sounds like "EpStien" for Germans) P.S. I'm a German ...
Just a little thing of interest but the album Bermuda Triangle by ISAO TOMITA may have computer data on it but it might be in TARBEL so you might need a program to decode it into meaningful text.
I actually have that Bermuda Triangle album but the data seems to be mixed in with the music so I couldn't find a way to decode it. Maybe with modern audio repair software the data and music could be separated.
@@DAVIDGREGORYKERR That might work, though I suspect there will be some music in those frequency ranges as well. But it would probably help isolate the audio.
37:30 This song has to be about Julian Assange of Wikileaks. Assange used a C64 in his youth. He has pale skin. He was a phone freaker, hacked the US defence computer system (MOD=Ministry of Defence) and was arrested by the Australian Federal police.
So given the C64 tape deck had a digital connection - does that mean that there were converters on the market to use other audio devices - or did they put the C64 data on the record to be artistic and there was no intention for people to load it? (or were people expected to record it to tape first?)
You recorded the audio onto tape and then loaded it from there. There was a flexidisc on the cover of a UK mag called C&VG which had a free Thompson Twins adventure game which you were supposed to record onto tape and then load in.
Codemasters did release a compilation CD of a lot of their games for the C64 which came with a cable that connected to the joystick port. You loaded in a short program from tape and then loaded the games from CD via the joystick port. A strange idea to use the joystick port but I guess they couldn't get it to load from CD via a tape port device or it just was cheaper to use the same joystick cable for all systems.
Yes, sorry I forgot to mention recording to tape in this video. I covered it more thoroughly in some of the previous data-on-vinyl videos (playlist link in the video description).
@@6581punk - Yes I've heard of that compilation - there were a couple and for various systems too - although I wasn't aware the C64 version used an adapter in the joystick port, I wonder why? perhaps it was for commonality with the port - seems reasonable enough unless the joystick port somehow offered a higher bandwidth
did You listen to the 4th track, named GAME maybe yes, maybe not? but I see kind of a pattern looking trough the light glaze over the record 🧐. guess You allready listened. LOL
Yes, all the tracks, including "Game" are just music unfortunately. At least, as far as I can tell! I'd love to be proven wrong though, if it was somehow hidden in a way I have overlooked.
@@8_Bit - with all due respect to the band's intentions - their basic code didn't give the impression that the "ultimate video game" was forthcoming - was the drummer Peter Molyneux by any chance?
would be a funny phrase for Chris Simpson A.K.A perifractic when he makes a new song. "no Fairlight CMI used in this song" although it would be a tacle with an eye wink to Cris Blyth who is building an Fairlight CMI himself A.K.A. Syntaur. which is a good friend of Chris and the Amiga community for his A4000 CG movie history. 😉👍
@@6581punk okay, thanks for the clearafication. So, Cris Blyth not known as Syntaur but playing around with CMI parts and showing his build proces on a youtube channel called Syntaur which is owned by another dude that runs a business that sells synts and stuff. 😅
can You actually playout the DATA fully, i wonder if somebody can RIP the file so we can do a lamer-party via TH-cam , wonder if the YT-BOTS will catch it, just jokin' ofcourse.
6:50 I assume you have to license the C= logo to put it on a product. Oh, the record is from 1985. 13:37 Sounds like beautiful music to me! 13:57 Right there at the short whistle between the two copies of the main program, you can tell it's really short. 37:29 Were these AI-generated or are they real pictures with an "AI-generation" filter applied? Reminds me of: th-cam.com/video/-_VYGvHpED8/w-d-xo.html
Have to wonder if it was on only a specific release of the album, or on a paper insert you had to type in, or not on a track but on an insert flat album.
It's possible! I haven't found any evidence of it but I don't know who else has even seen the C64 program message on the first album to know to look at the 2nd album.
The reason Phil Collins mentioned that there was no Fairlight CMI used on the album was because, at the time, the Fairlight was ubiquitous and used practically everywhere. It was one of the first samplers and entire songs (popular ones) used nothing but the Fairlight. There's a very famous orchestral hit sample that if you were to hear it today, you could immediately recognize as part of many songs of the day. Phil wanted to highlight that the strings and horns on the album were not created with a Fairlight. Technically speaking though, Phil did indirectly use the Fairlight on the album because he sampled a sound from another source which itself was taken from a Fairlight.
Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush both had the Fairlight. In fact, Running Up That Hill is entirely Fairlight CMI. People focus too much on the tools and not the process.
Exactly this!
Curious why you started calling it "Fairchild" partway through, doesn't seem like a typo since you did if four times?
@@PutItAway101 well that was a name of a semiconductor company too, probably just a slip up
@@6581punk yeah, I wonder if it was a little dig at his ex-bandmate Peter Gabriel who was very into the Fairlight at the time
This sort of brings me back to 1986ish when you could pick up pretty much anything Atari related for like a buck because nobody wanted to maintain stock of it. So I bought all of the ridiculous and cloyingly awful Atari LPs, knowing perfectly well, even as a kid, that they were going to be bad. I really had no idea: The Yars' Revenge LP had a theme song on it, sung through a vocoder, while the literal 4-beat rhythm from the cheapest Casio keyboard you could buy played as the song's percussion. I know it was the cheapest Casio keyboard *because I had owned the thing for years.* A tiny, white thing that was barely over a foot long. They used that darn keyboard for the percussion!!
4:27 - I think it's more of a German _typo_ thing. (The German word for _catfish_ is _Wels_ and not even close to the English one.)
21:10 - We even had a TV show called _Telespiele_ (the _e_ just denotes the plural form) where people could call in and then play _Pong_ against the host. You can find episodes of it on TH-cam if you search for "Telespiele Thomas Gottschalk".
Thanks for the information about the television show. Looked it up despite not knowing German and found it a great watch. I used auto translated subtitles as an aid. The whole idea is crazy because you're dealing with so many delays between phone lines and transmission. Split second reactions appeared to matter.
Swedish artist Björn Skifs had PETSCII on the cover of his album "If... Then..." from 1984. (Most known as the singer of Blue Swede. Their cover of "Hooked on a feeling" went #1 on Billboard Hot 100 in 1974.)
Yeah i had that LP for some years back, but its nothing more then the characters
That's pretty cool, as IF/THEN is a BASIC programming construct, and apparently (after looking up the album on Discogs) the PETSCII is actually hidden text, so the full title is "IF it really happens THEN it must be possible".
god now i have Innocent Eyes stuck in my head, tusen tack jörgen
@@ExperimentIV Ingen orsak. 😂
@@8_Bit I actually had, and have, that album, but never tried to figure that "hidden" title out. Mind blown. :)
I only heard today that Archer McLean died on Xmas eve at the age of 60. Man he made some fantastic groundbreaking games. RIP Archer
I think it was on the 17th.. but yeah.. the creator of IK+ :(
10:23 "The Race" sounds amazing. I can practically smell the cigarette smoke, and see the haze and purple neon. Sleek 80s sports cars, and some sort of determined montage.
The sound and style are so definitive, it's like a timewarp!
The Lyrics to "Simon Basic" with the exception of the feds knocking on the door was exactly what it was like for me when I was 12-13, setting up the bulletin board, I did contact people from the Demo Scene by just sending letters to the addresses that you would sometimes find at the end of a demo.
I think Phil was having a (hopefully jolly) dig at Peter Gabriel, Robin. They were both kinda rivals at the time. Happy New Year.
Peter Gabriel sings backup on the song, "Take Me Home" from the album, so perhaps rivals who still supported each other.
You're right, it was a friendly dig at Peter Gabriel. PG's company Psyco Systems (run by his cousin in fact) was the UK distributor for Fairlight but Phil Collins wouldn't buy one :)
The C64 song sounds like the kind of music Robin makes. Good stuff.
There is CBL's (Carbon Based Lifeforms) track called "MOS 6581" on the "Hydroponic Garden" album.
Closest I've got is a 7" of Woxy's remix of "Keeping up with the Commodore" from the commercials. It S*L*A*P*S!
I think I've mentiond this before, but the reference to peeks and pokes got me going. Please make a video of you trying out Vision Basic. I know you have the REU's and what not to get it going on an original machine, I use it on a TheC64.
I am in no way affilliated by the creator, I live on the other side of the world. But the pure fact that someone writes a high level programming language, a compiler, a sprite editror and a ~400 pages manual all by himself - using pen and paper while sitting in a hospital waiting för cancer treatmen... That's insane. And the result is marvellous, at least by my standards.
That "Dreamlines" track on the Catfish Transactor record, although I can hear the similarities to Delta, it wasn't the first C64 game music which sprang to mind... I thought it sounded more like "Shadowfire"... or maybe even a mix of the two.
Greetings from Bochum btw!🍀 And a happy new year!
I like the "No Fairlight CMI used on this album" statement. Don't tell Cris Byth who is building one (well, converting a cut down MFX into a CMI).
Thanks for another great video! The album "Inaxycvgtgb" by 16 bit would have fit into this collection, too. No data or easter eggs that I know of, but the inner sleeve has an ad for the Amiga 500 that highlights its multi media capabilities. Apparently, I cannot post links here but Discogs has some pictures, release r378651 .
The producers Michael Münzing and Luca Anzilotti would later found the eurodance project Snap! ("I've got the power!")
The Race has that Character Select screen vibe from some RPG of the 90s!
I'm kind of surprised that they didn't use C64 synthesis (SID chip) on that Commodore rowing championships record. Or the Amiga. Or both!
For its time, hidden programs like that...even if totally underwhelming....still had a cool factor in the '80s.
26:49 is there possibly a lot more to this but we dont know unless someone has the original album. also what about the petsci characters?
I came across Machinae Supremacy a few years ago where they included SID synth music.
Where did you dig these fossils up from? ps Some countries taxed audio tapes heavily but not computer programs on tape.
There was a band called Kft (means Ltd in Hungarian) who released an album in 1984 called Bál az operában (Ball in the Opera) with a Basic program printed on the cover. Originally the plan was that they would include the program on the vinyl record making a real multimedia disc. But since they have never made something like this before at the Hungarian Record Factory they had to change the original plan and print the text on the cover instead of recording the program on the disc.
That's actually a pretty funny story! I'll see if I can find a copy. Thanks for the info!
Hi! I just wanted to ask if you ordered the new Mega65 and, if so, if you could upload some videos showing how good or bad is BASIC 10. Thanks in advance.
Hi, I don't have a Mega65 but fellow TH-camr @retroCombs does and has made some videos about it.
@@8_Bit Yeah. Thanks for the advice. But I'm from Argentina and, for some reason, I can understand your English pronunciation perfectly (We speak Spanish here) . Besides the fact that you use to make really good tutorials. It would be cool to see what a Mega65 running BASIC 10 is capable of in your hands. Anyway... Don't worry. I'm gonna see whats going on in the channel you've recomended. Cheers!
That was fun! Where do you find all these things?? I bet some of those records are incredibly difficult to obtain these days.
8:18 "Cal Lee op"? In the states, it's "Cah L-eye ah pee"
10:08 I did a quick search for this record (no luck). "Vanlukas" appears to be "Van Lukas" when I googled him.
22:34 dang, I bet that was disappointing
If you haven't already, check out the Discogs website; it's an amazing database for buyers and sellers, and music nerds. It's surprisingly easy to find most of these albums on there for reasonable prices. The really expensive one is Module 2 on vinyl, seems to start at $150!
And you're right, of course, about Calipoe. Though it seems it should have been spelled "Calliope"?
@@8_Bit Nice! I just ordered The Race, and O Cubano. :)
Fellow Canadian here - it's definitely pronounced the way you typed it. It's got that tricky Greek thing going on, like "Persephone" that everybody messes up when they see it lol.
FWIW a calliope is like those fancy organ grinder organs.
Is track 2 side 1 of that album by COMMODORE Belgium a computer program as it has a short duration?
Hey Robin, happy new year 🎉🎊🎆🍾
@33:42 The Thorn EMI C15 blank tapes had a simple drawing program for the VIC-20 and ZX81, printed inside the inlay.
Very cool, I hadn't heard of this before. I did some searching and can't find a photo of the inside of the inlay. I'll see if I can track one down as I'll totally type it in on video if I get it :)
I remember some excellent “Back in Time” c64 sid compact discs. Also Nexus 6581. But those date back to Windows 98 days…
all very neat Robin
Happy New Year to my noteworthy and knowledgeable neighbor to the North!
(No Fairlight CMI was used in the making of this comment.)
That's fantastic! Thanks for collecting and showing them all.
My first thought when I saw the "cathfish" instead of "catfish" was wondering if it was a reference to a cathode ray tube... seemed a relevant coincidence. I might even stretch to say it could have been prescient of how we look at the world through our screens as if we're fish in bowls. :) But maybe that's a thread too far. hehe
The lyrics on the C64 song on Simon BASIC was hilarious. I'm sure if I had heard of this album at the time it would have been a favourite to me and my commodore friends. haha
Also happy new year. :)
I was thinking that it may have been a portmanteau of cathode and fish as well.
What a missed opportunity by Flught Nach Vorn. The one time the managed to actually put something on an album, they left a dud. They really did flee forward but it didn't help them in that regard :)
Yeah here in sweden we said "TV games/TV spel" aswell. And its still used when talking console gaming to this day to some extent (allthough it is probably a more old fashioned name and expression at this point) . Games on the tv....video games kinda sounds a bit strange to us to use.
In Swedish videogames is still called 'tv-spel', directly tranalated to 'tv-game'.
Likewise, computer games are called 'datorspel' which is also directly translated to 'computer games'.
I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I hope the Norwegian band Fairlight Children are mentioned ;)
The message on the 12" says that the actual "definitive video game" will be contained on the end of their next LP. This is the ultimate geek marketing to say "buy our album".
Amazing!! Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year!
If Rib Hubbard was inspired by anything for the Delta soundtrack, it was Koyaaniqatsi by Philip Glass. Catfish may have been similarly inspired. The start of that track reminds me of the CRL game, Vengeance. It's not a particularly great game, but the music is decent enough.
Happy New Year!
303 lol there's an acid reference there, module 2 originally released on Aphex Twin's (Richard D James) Rephlex imprint.
Huh, pet rock out in 75, and pet computer in 77. For some reason I thought the rock was later in the 80s.
I've meant for a while to make a more focused video about these different design influences on the PET. Maybe in 2023!
Hey, have you checked ( Legend of Blacksilver ) for C64 its a fantastic game, that i and my friend played for many hours, back in 88 i think maybe 89, its was published by ( Epyx ) have played in recent years, still a great game, it would be nice to see that on your channel 👍
Robin, have you heard the album A for Amiga by cTrix? I don't think it's ever had a physical release. It's an album recorded in-studio using all real Amiga hardware from about 10 years ago.
I haven't, sounds cool. I mostly stick with physical releases as they're more collectable, and I suppose there's more to show in videos :)
I have the Lukash CD and tried to get the game track to Datasette with no success.
I tried scaling it since it seems the track was in NTSC and I have pal. Didn't work.
My last guess is something I read that the problem may be that I am using a modern stereo tape deck to copy it to cassette. Maybe the C64 can't read tapes that were written by a stereo tape deck, even if both left and right tracks are identical.
Yes, I've had a lot of problems with using stereo tape decks for data. The datasette expects mono, I believe, which is written as one "fat" track. Stereo tracks are two skinny signals with a gap in between, which a mono tape head is probably "confused" by.
A lot of artists were anti-synth back then, there was a backlash against it, but it ultimately didn't go anywhere after people like Micheal Jackson made that sound popular. And I believe the "Welt" is pronounced like "Velt".
Flucht Nach Vorne means "Escape Forward" rather then "Escape the Front" LOL
Looks like all those images starting at 37:31 were generated by DALL-E 2 or DALL-E mini! Cool!
Yes, the website is called Craiyon but I believe it's running that same software.
@@8_Bit I've seen some very weird (but impressive) results from DALL-E 2. Willem Defoe as a PEZ dispenser is high up on that list!
Can I hear the whole album of Van Lukas' The Race?
I still have my commodore branded metal filing cabinet
By the way Bing Translate (from Microsoft) translates the German from 19:15 as:
"The definitive telegame Escape to the Front can be found at the end of the next -LP- from Escape to the Front"
I don't speak any German so I can't tell if this is a good translation (and it is different from the translations you gave...) but I guess it is an alternative translation.
It's interesting that there was no game on their next LP, like you said they could be liars, or incompetent, or it could be a prank. Maybe the game had to get cut for some reason? I can imagine after you saying that the LP with the Easter Egg on had no locked groove, (which would have prevented the C64 data playback for people just wanting to listen to the music), that they got some complaints from people having their ears hurt by hearing the C64 data as audio, especially if they had the volume turned up! I can also imagine at least someone out there was scared by the noise of the data and probably complained angrily!
Sorry for the wall of text with probably terrible spelling and grammar, I will continue watching the video now.
Telespiel was in fact a term used early in germany for videogame... "Tele" from television (but we never said television! We say "fernseher" and it means "far seer" and we "sehen fern" / "watch far" like in far away) and "Spiel" literally means game.
you pretty accurately translated the german text.
"The definitive videogame Escape Forward can be found at the end of the next LP from Escape Forward" is what it really says
"Flucht nach vorn" actually is an idiom. It comes, if I remember this correctly, from the Prussian military language, although it's not used in military context anymore. I believe the closest translation that catches its meaning would be "forward defence". So, if you're defending your position by attacking an opponent in an argument, because you are with your back to the wall, that would be coined as "die Flucht nach vorn antreten" ("kicking into forward defence"). Another term for that is "Vorwärtsverteidigung", which is the literal translation of "forward defence".
i would agree about the complaints, they probably intended the data to be separated from the music to avoid offence but maybe the manufacturer didn't understand the requirement properly.
You want to take the race out that vinyl sleeve . Before it turns to goo . It probably already smells terrible!
UPM = Umdrehungen pro Minute -> RPM = Rounds per minute……very straight in the translation. Sometimes German to English translations are so straight, that they sound wrong to us (Germans). One of the best examples is „long time no see“….(= Lange nicht gesehen)….it just looks and „feels“ wrong for an German that is trying to speak English.
Kraftwerk's computerwelt took it's cover inspiration from the PET too
Awesome!
happy new year 👍
Yes , "UPM" is literally German "RPM ...
"Flucht" = escape
10:45 reminds me of Andy Clark stock music.
Happy new year dood!
24:15 - You know there's a whole region in North Italy that speaks German? Guenther Steiner for example is a native.
Nice stuff! :D
I thought that the last track on the first record was a Touhou reference :-P
This seems to be a multi-LP software collection @ 19:57 ...
"Flucht nach Vorn" = "Escape/Flee (to) ahead" ...
YES , "Telespiel" is a wacky Germanification of "TV-Game" ...
German words spoken by an English-only speaker always sounds funny ...
& understanding German even makes some names in USA in meaning & pronounciation very funny too like Mark "Zucker-Berg" (FaceBook) = meaning "Sugar-Mountain" & sounds like "Sucker Berg" from an english tounge ... (even "Ep-Stein" sounds funny ... Stein = Stone .... & sounds like "EpStien" for Germans)
P.S. I'm a German ...
Just a little thing of interest but the album Bermuda Triangle by ISAO TOMITA may have computer data on it but it might be in TARBEL so you might need a program to decode it into meaningful text.
I actually have that Bermuda Triangle album but the data seems to be mixed in with the music so I couldn't find a way to decode it. Maybe with modern audio repair software the data and music could be separated.
@@8_Bit What about a filter that is configured for the mark and space frequencies or whatever frequencies are involved.
@@DAVIDGREGORYKERR That might work, though I suspect there will be some music in those frequency ranges as well. But it would probably help isolate the audio.
@@8_Bit DSP based solution with a bandwidth of 10Hz
37:30 This song has to be about Julian Assange of Wikileaks. Assange used a C64 in his youth. He has pale skin. He was a phone freaker, hacked the US defence computer system (MOD=Ministry of Defence) and was arrested by the Australian Federal police.
There are extra 3 spaces you have miss in line 50 ? "TRACK ";TRACK;" IS ENTITLED ", you will notice now if you compare "TRACK " with line 200 CESK"
So given the C64 tape deck had a digital connection - does that mean that there were converters on the market to use other audio devices - or did they put the C64 data on the record to be artistic and there was no intention for people to load it? (or were people expected to record it to tape first?)
You recorded the audio onto tape and then loaded it from there. There was a flexidisc on the cover of a UK mag called C&VG which had a free Thompson Twins adventure game which you were supposed to record onto tape and then load in.
Codemasters did release a compilation CD of a lot of their games for the C64 which came with a cable that connected to the joystick port. You loaded in a short program from tape and then loaded the games from CD via the joystick port. A strange idea to use the joystick port but I guess they couldn't get it to load from CD via a tape port device or it just was cheaper to use the same joystick cable for all systems.
Yes, sorry I forgot to mention recording to tape in this video. I covered it more thoroughly in some of the previous data-on-vinyl videos (playlist link in the video description).
@@8_Bit - ah ok - more fun direct from vinyl anyhow :)
@@6581punk - Yes I've heard of that compilation - there were a couple and for various systems too - although I wasn't aware the C64 version used an adapter in the joystick port, I wonder why? perhaps it was for commonality with the port - seems reasonable enough unless the joystick port somehow offered a higher bandwidth
did You listen to the 4th track, named GAME maybe yes, maybe not? but I see kind of a pattern looking trough the light glaze over the record 🧐. guess You allready listened. LOL
Yes, all the tracks, including "Game" are just music unfortunately. At least, as far as I can tell! I'd love to be proven wrong though, if it was somehow hidden in a way I have overlooked.
@@8_Bit - with all due respect to the band's intentions - their basic code didn't give the impression that the "ultimate video game" was forthcoming - was the drummer Peter Molyneux by any chance?
maybe the music track "the game" was supposed to be a mega hit, and they were directing you to listen to this, its just not commodore data.
Genesis(with Collins on lead) is one the bands that created AOR.After Phil Collins come back in 1987 they stared to suck.
"So they're either they're liars or incompetent..." Now that is disappointment,
would be a funny phrase for Chris Simpson A.K.A perifractic when he makes a new song. "no Fairlight CMI used in this song"
although it would be a tacle with an eye wink to Cris Blyth who is building an Fairlight CMI himself A.K.A. Syntaur. which is a good friend of Chris and the Amiga community for his A4000 CG movie history. 😉👍
Cris isn't part of the company Syntaur, that's just who he's releasing the videos with, presumably in exchange for some cheap parts :)
@@6581punk okay, thanks for the clearafication. So, Cris Blyth not known as Syntaur but playing around with CMI parts and showing his build proces on a youtube channel called Syntaur which is owned by another dude that runs a business that sells synts and stuff. 😅
can You actually playout the DATA fully, i wonder if somebody can RIP the file so we can do a lamer-party via TH-cam , wonder if the YT-BOTS will catch it,
just jokin' ofcourse.
Last record. Try loading from one of the songs.
Cathfish Must be a spelling mistake (and therefore you might have a super rare album), because the translation of catfish is simply „Wels“.
full inspired
"Wordlchampionships" ?
Love the music at the end.
6:50 I assume you have to license the C= logo to put it on a product. Oh, the record is from 1985.
13:37 Sounds like beautiful music to me! 13:57 Right there at the short whistle between the two copies of the main program, you can tell it's really short.
37:29 Were these AI-generated or are they real pictures with an "AI-generation" filter applied? Reminds me of: th-cam.com/video/-_VYGvHpED8/w-d-xo.html
They're all AI-generated images, using Craiyon. I hadn't heard of an AI-generation filter before, what a twisted idea!
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Vorn would be pronounced Forn.
Have to wonder if it was on only a specific release of the album, or on a paper insert you had to type in, or not on a track but on an insert flat album.
It's possible! I haven't found any evidence of it but I don't know who else has even seen the C64 program message on the first album to know to look at the 2nd album.
@@8_Bit Just speculation:Could even have been planned by the artist and nixed by the label.