"Why 'Filler' is a Bad Criticism (RWBY Volume 9)" by Blizzic | Team JYCT #28
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- The fandom discourse around RWBY Volume 9 is a volatile space. Among the arguments, calling Volume 9 "filler" has become old hat. Does this argument hold water, or does it sink? We discuss by watching Blizzic's video on the matter!
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Every important plot point is Volume 9 could have been done in Vacuo. Ruby dealing with the consequences of her actions and her mental health. Blake and Yang becoming a couple. Weiss. They could have all been done in Vacuo. And probably better. There would be no awkward suicide ideation from Ruby and she'd actually have to experience what sending everyone to Vacuo means. The only thing the Everafter brings is Jaune's age thing, which frankly isn't a good idea and I highly doubt will be handled well. So much time wasted on this new setting when massive plot is happening somewhere else. How could this not be filler, or at least feel like it.
It's funny how we're still talking about Volume 10 when there is no guarantee it's gonna happen. Like yeah, maybe Volume 9 is important to Volume 10- the thing that never came out. Until the show is maybe perhaps possibly picked up, Volume 9 is the canon ending to the show. When looked at like that, nothing happened in it. It just doesn't interact with the rest of the show in any way.
>this is good because it means something, it has a message, be yourself
V9 confirmed to be writing cope for the fact that they failed to develop Ruby Rose
And here's the thing, theoretically Ruby didn't need character development, they could have made her one if those static characters who's rol is to influence the development of others, which is what a lot of folks thought Ozpin's "simple soul" comment was about...
But then the plot kept doing things that logically meant Ruby should be undergoing development and change and they didn't...
I don’t even get how “be yourself” is supposed to be the message. Are we supposed to believe that Ruby somehow wasn’t being herself while she was in Atlas? If so, how would “being herself” have changed the outcome? Also, the fact that Neo decides to ascend, which is treated like a good thing, kinda flies in the face of that moral.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC The thing is her being a static character doesn't work when she went through something as lifechanging and traumatizing as the Fall of Beacon. She should be dealing with with more rather than brushing it off considering,you know,SHE WATCHED PYRRHA DIE! if not that,it should have caused her to seriously self-reflect on her views and morals.
The irony of a video about filler being this vacuous.
That isn't irony, irony would be if they're complaining about filler.
careful he may not agree with your opinion and therefore will ignore you entirely
Excellent stream as always.
Also, why should I care about Ruby's arc when the show itself does not care? What happens when Ruby tries to talk about what they've done? Yang says "No Ruby, that's how Ironwood, the bad guy thought. So don't think like that." What happens the second after Ruby drinks the tea? We focus on how distraught Neo is. What happens at the beginning in the next episode? We try to cheer Jaune up and everybody's happy. The show should stop pretending they care about Ruby because it's obvious they don't.
You said it, not me lol
@@KaiserShounen Very true lol. Also, is it me or does even Ruby's arc feel reactionary, like they NEEDED to give her an arc to stop everyone from criticizing but they didn't know how?
Honestly, my biggest problem with Volume 9 is how they set up this big moment for Ruby to grow and change as a person, but instead they backpedal at the last second and just tell her that she’s good enough as she is. Now I don’t think that the message of “you’re good enough as you are” is a bad message, in fact I think that it’s a good one. The problem this that a) This message feels incredibly unsatisfying for the audience as the entire volume has been setting up for this moment, and b) The way that they go about having Ruby revert to how she was is laughable, seriously all it took was Summer saying “I love you” that’s how you end the big conflict of the volume? Truth be told I really shouldn’t have been surprised this happened, as they’ve shown the revert characters back to how they were before their “character arc” such as what they did with Cinder in Volume 8. This is honestly the biggest reason that I think Volume 9 failed for so many people, as we were tired of being disappointed over and over again, only for this to be the straw that broke the camel’s back.
The problem with 'you don't need to change because you are good as you are' is that it only works when the character already has great traits but doesn't recognize them because they think they need to be more like someone or something else...but every modern writer ever uses it as an excuse for characters who NEED growth to never grow and just be able to do whatever they need to do to succeed, even at the cost of logic, and often times this is because modern writers are self-inserting with these characters and trying to appease themselves into being convinced they themselves need not change even when they are awful people.
Another thing for me about Volume 9 is did the volume really NEED to take place in the ever after?
For me V9 feels less of a "filler" but more accurately wasted potential in the Ever After. The analogy that I thought of a while back would be imagine if I was an inventor/doctor and I had to spend time and money to travel overseas to a new country and this new country had so many different materials, culture and techniques that I didn't have access to back home. But then when I come back home, I don't bring any new materials, any new techniques any new friends really nothing to show for it that I couldn't have already did back home.
The writers and crew went out their way to create this fantasy world but then nothing ended up happening that specifically required going to that world. Ruby and Jaune's issues, Bumblebee confirmed, dealing with Neo, Summer lore, couldn't these have been done on Remnant? I was really hoping that RWBY + Jaune would get weapon upgrades or power boosts of some kind to help deal with Salem.
@@CyberKingNova I'm a bit late but I had a similar thought as well, and ended up imagining a volume of team RWBY + Jaune struggling through the desert and trying to catch up to the Atlas survivors, all while they bicker and argue over how they fucked up in Atlas. Kind of something similar to ATLA's episode where the gang lost Appa and trudge through the desert. All the main character drama in Volume 9 could have still happened.
4:55 stream start
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I am a defender of filler. I think filler can be very good. Actually I miss it,shows are really short nowadays and honestly every once in a while it'd be nice to just spend time with characters,mostly in western cartoons. Anime still does it sometimes,again,I can appreciate it
RWBY Volume 9 has filler. And the problem is,it's the bad kind of filler. The CRWBY do not know how to write filler,there's a reason a lot of Volume 5 is the group doing absolutely NOTHING and it was frustrating. Going by the original definition of filler,which is anime original content created to let the manga progress,in some cases ending up in the anime doing its own thing like 90s Sailor Moon and 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist,RWBY has no reason to do this,RWBY *is* the original product and isn't adapting anything
The CRWBY has to learn how the hell to write filler,balance it out with the actual plot. Because Volume 9 has plot beats but never fully focuses on them. It's like a burrito with 30% filling and the rest is tortilla
3:13:56 Trauma is difficult to define because if what happens to a person mentally. For example. One man might see the horrors of war and break down immediately and get sick to there stomach because they have seen that be it for the first time or try to live with it
Or it can be something completely mundane that makes no sense to what normal people could call a "truama" like seeing a candle lit.
Its hard to pin down where it begins because of hoe people deal with what they think caused that mental shattering.
Like another example we might laugh at a fucked up joke about warcrimes and shooting people in video games.
Only to see it first hand and it breaks us completely and lose our minds when first exposed to it because it shattered the reality of what a human being should be doing to another person.
I may be explaining it wrong its just how I've come to see how truama utilized and from what people have told me when they have shared there traumas to me.
I dont know its very vauge and hard tk pin down for me but then again ive never "experienced" traumas that ither people have. I never lived with abusive parents, i never had to call the police for a break in, i never had to actually kill someone out on the feild of war and having talked to vets both from GWOT and the past i hope i never have to.
My dad told me once that he could never see me in a combat roll because I'm to soft of a person to take a life. Not that i wont do it because i dont want to but when i have to it would probably break me.
0:00-4:53 Waiting Room
5:34-5:50 Stream’s Premise
6:33-7:20 RWBY’s off Cruchyroll
7:33-8:20 “Who does own the rights?”
10:12-10:44 Twilight and JC’s verdict: Filler
11:10-12:36 When music “lies” to you
13:53-21:19 Filler discussion
21:31-24:04 S.U.
25:50-28:05 Predictions
31:09 Video starts
32:17-34:07 They didn’t watch the show
35:51-36:32 “Media discourse”
36:37-38:54 Blizzic pooh-poohing
43:13-44:38 “They don’t know any better”
45:08-46:59 Essay writing
53:23-55:45 RWBY’s weightlessness
56:45-57:39 Blizzic moving the goalpost
58:20-58:57 “Original usage of the word filler”
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1:01:19-1:05:02 Eureka Seven
1:06:46-1:07:22 Anime production
1:08:37-1:11:37 Status quo problem
1:13:33-1:15:45 MHA filler
1:15:53-1:17:45 The Hobbit
1:18:55-1:22:01 “RWBY IS the source material”
1:23:02-1:24:37 Blizzic refutes himself
1:25:16-1:26:08 “Plot is…described as information”
1:31:07-1:31:52 The Skeleton
1:32:53-1:34:40 Skinamarink
1:35:04-1:39:17 “Plot is not the point”
1:40:58-1:42:41 Examples of filler
1:42:50-1:44:12 Kaguya-sama
1:44:14-1:50:10 Disney Star Wars
1:50:17-1:51:45 “Stories are wiki entries”
1:51:51-1:59:29 AI art tangent
1:59:32-1:59:57 WBY’s urgency
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2:03:36-2:04:17 “lost in the definition sauce”
2:04:19-2:06:22 muh social constructions
2:06:58-2:07:28 It’s called a story
2:08:10-2:09:34 Soups not salads
2:15:28-2:16:23 Vinland Saga
2:18:52-2:20:12 RWBY’s Plot&V9
2:20:53-2:22:02 The Brothers Grimm
2:24:35-2:25:21 Fairytales teach children!?!
2:25:30-2:27:15 No fairytale is a monolith
2:31:02-2:31:49 Answer: Entertainment
2:34:15-2:36:02 The deeper question
2:36:50-2:37:35 The Ever After
2:38:09-2:39:18 “Re-watchable”
2:39:49-2:40:29 The Cat
2:41:33-2:42:48 Weiss
2:43:58-2:48:58 “Your response is…”
2:49:23-2:52:19 Ruby’s character
2:52:48-2:54:09 The setup?
2:54:18-2:55:21 Blizzic forgets Neo
2:55:25-2:57:14 “Relevant Information”
2:57:24-2:58:34 “Isn’t it mysterious”
2:59:00-3:00:04 Second-hand knowledge
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3:00:14-3:03:25 “Honestly that’s a small thing”
3:06:57-3:08:48 Trauma dumping
3:09:32-3:11:40 Telling a story
3:11:45-3:13:10 Inner narrative
3:13:15-3:18:12 Blizzic begging the question
3:18:40-3:19:48 Jaune
3:20:31-3:22:08 Innocuous
3:22:32-3:26:06 Disney fairytales
3:27:02-3:29:34 Ruby isn’t real
3:30:28-3:32:41 Death
3:34:41-3:35:28 Breathing room
3:37:13-3:37:59 Fan-fiction
3:38:30-3:38:56 “Catharsis”
3:39:26-3:42:14 Cinderella Non-sequitur
3:43:25-3:44:08 “Room for failure”
3:44:44-3:47:26 Summer Rose
3:47:59-3:57:25 “V9… matters”
3:57:30-3:58:49 Comment Section
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4:01:31 Video Ends
4:08:19-4:09:32 Art segment
4:09:39-4:16:04 Ad Time
4:16:06-4:16:16 Signing off
Thanks
@@angelsadvocate3 You're welcome
@@abelzerihun7985 GIGACHAD
Since every single volume since the fall of beacon has refused to advance the story, then I must concede that it isn't fair to single out volume 9 as being filler.
1:18:22
raymond: reasonable rejection
critter: acceptance
kaiser: self-defense
twilight: silent judgement
Filler is filler, it's 'bad criticism' but also accurate criticism. Bad because it's not descriptive enough, accurate because you know exactly what people mean when you call something filler. In reality, filler is just bad writing and NOBODY who isn't incredibly bored or failing to follow the plot cares about filler. Lets not cope about it. It's dead now and Volume 9 was hype filler dung.
I dunno about calling it bad. As the group brings up slice of life can be considered ALL Filler, or episodic shows with a status quo can also be considered filler. Comedies, mystery stories and so on.
Even true filler, like the 'beach episode', which isn't part of the source material, adds nothing new to story, character or theme and can be removed while also being part of a larger narrative that contains a story CAN be good writing. It just means you gotta work REALLY hard to add in some element that makes up for it. The argument of course can be 'why not do 'x' instead of 'y', which is actaully fair and means the story could be written 'better; but that doesn't mean what was there wasn't good. It most likely wasn't, but there's a chance
But yeah I assume most people use filler as a shorthand since actually saying 'not relevant to the narrative for something with a narrative and not furthering plot, character, theme or lore in a way not done by something else more important in the story' would be aggrivating, in which case I assume most people can be considered 'bad'.
Vol 1-3 are Carried By Monty's animation, but Also Jeff Williams and Casey Lee Williams' Music. I often describe the show as Action Music Videos with Story in-between
This entire video you’re reacting to is mostly filler which is ironic since he takes forever to get to the point about why RWBY V9 isn’t filler!
3:57:39 im amazed you guys mentioned my comment lol
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@@honeycomb170 so flattered
THANK YOU for making this vod, I saw this video when it first came out and it rubbed me so far in the wrong way, but I couldn’t really form the words to explain it. You guys broke it down perfectly.
- Uses Battle Shounen Adaptations from anime to manga; with the mention of seasonal anime releases.
And says that Rwby isn't a serialization from the source material WHICH thats the issue. The writers from CRWBY had all the free reign to tell the story they have been writing for almost a decade and didn't do jack sh*t with it because the events that occurred in the everafter had nothing to do with Salem, or the Relics, or even one of the remining maiden in the story. It was just terribly handled character drama that spits into the face of what the chracter were originally like Ruby's depression arc or How Bumblebee was handled etc. Yet Blizzic acts so condescending and wonders why people critcize the Volume in question which is something he will never figure out; because it did something to him for some reason.
Damn....this guy's video is just pure copium and so much grasping at straws as to why volume 9 ain't filler, when it really was just that. All the while, being passive aggressive that if you don't agree with this(and thus him) you're just stupid and a hater.
He definitely ain't beating any "blind fanboy" allegations that may come his way.
Like Dragonball characters charging up for three episodes is my definition of filler
You mean the thing that only ever happens when someone else jumps in to keep the action flowing while they do so in the background?
3:05:33 I know this is kind of off topic to what is mentioned, but Bleach also could be used as an example of filler that can have a purpose but is ultimately skippable. The Zanpakuto Rebellion arc is a filler arc in Bleach that isn't cannon. However, the Zanpakuto spirit designs that appear in the arc, while not designed by Kubo, were at least overlooked by him, according to some old sources; primarily an interview. On top of that, some of them are even referenced or used in other material(CFYOW) or the manga (TTYBW). So while the arc in of itself is non-cannon, if someone was ever curious about what the potential designs for certain Zanpakuto spirits were they could see them first in the arc.
You dorks are great together. I enjoy watching you together, more than the actual videos you cover, which make me want to cringe into a ball and collapse like a star.
2:46:35 imagine if we didnt see jaune fall into the void at the end of volume eight, and throughout the course of volume nine the mysterious rusted knight was pursuing our heroes with swordsman skills he's honed over the decades he's been stuck in the everafter and a jaded world view being isolated in a strange world he doesnt feel he belongs in has left him with. the mystery would be palpable and the reveal would be mind-blowing. say he doesnt die in his final battle against team rwby, but he loses an arm (like you said) before he changes sides. maybe even his prominent arm. so by the time he rejoins our heroes, he has to wrestle with the fact he's spent much of his life away from his friends, he tried to KILL his friends, he's now part of the adult squad (w/qrow and willow) he's down an arm, and he has to either get better with his non-dominant hand or find different ways to climb the skill tree again
This guy video was filler and my brain cells are dying
Amazing stream, but Twilight's take on Bleach and it's filler felt more like she just heard someone talk about how bad Bleach is. The "defeat a bad guy" as a primary objective actually only happens in filler, in canon Ichigo only ends up facing the main threat because his friends are in danger. Also the "Ichigo is every race" is a mischaracterization because:
1- That never happens in any filler
2- Ichigo is debatably not a hollow (the hollow powers are literally his Soul Reaper ones)
3- Fullbringer isn't even a race either, Ichigo had lost his powers at that point so he easily qualified as one
4- Ichigo is straight up NOT a Bount??? (No clue where you got that from lol)
Me briefly summarizing the main events in Bleach to one or two points isn't me "hearing someone talk about how bad Bleach is" it's me recalling the main 4 arcs that I watched/read with my own eyeballs. I'm sorry that I didn't spend 20 minutes going over every intricate detail of Bleach. But am I wrong to say that Ichigo 1. Finds a new type of being 2. Learns he IS that new type of being 3. Defeats the bad guy.
He totally was a bount and I remember that clearly because the fandom was pretty angry about that during the time and mocking the show for making Ichigo literally everything.
@@twilightguardian You remember it wrong then, Ichigo is absolutely not a Bount, he is at most a Shinigami and Quincy. The Fandom mocking Ichigo for being "literally everything is simply lack of media literacy. You didn't NEED to spend 20 going over everything but the fact is: you DID mischaracterize Bleach, what you said btw still sounds like someone who absorbed Bleach through fandom osmosis.
@@twilightguardian But let's go over your points one by one
1- Ichigo finds a new type of being: correct
2- Learns he is that type of being: Only works for Shinigami and Quincy, because he IS the son of a Shinigami with a Quincy, Arrancars and the other beings in the fillers don't because Ichigo is neither of them and Fullbringers are humans with powers that were present from the start of the series.
3- Defeats the bad guy: Both the first two arcs do not end up with Ichigo defeating the bad guy and in the following arcs while he does do that, it is merely something he has to do in order to accomplish his main objective which is protecting his friends, it is NOT the focus of Ichigo's character
@@mithras9706 Fact of the matter is we still considered Arrancars and Fullbringers and Bounts as separate entities. Quncys were just people with specific powers they're not separate species. My guy, you don't need to condescend to me acting like a toxic anime weeb mansplaining to the dumb wimmins about the real anime that she probably hasn't even watched and tell me I'm a fake anime fan or I've read off a wikipedia page or whatever the hell else you might think. That's extremely rude. Bleach is an old ass anime, and not one that's really stood the test of time compared to Naruto and One Piece in terms of longevity. I don't care enough about it to be honest with you.
@@twilightguardian Wow, sorry if I sounded condescending it was not my intention. It is really clear you don't care enough about, maybe you should avoid making arguments with it? I was legitimately trying to argue in good faith, with how abrasive you come off when you talk about these videos I did not expect you'd see it as a personal attack.
Anything thats not prasing rwby and blowing rainbows up Crwby's asses is considered "bad criticism" to these stannies
Twilight comes in out of nowhere with a defence of the Hobbit movies that’s WAY more interesting than this defence of Volume 9
Not really, its literally the "The old stuff was bad too" argument you'd hear from fans of Disney Star Wars.
If what she said about the book was true, it does not magically make the Hobbit films better.
@@Sone01TheFirst I didn't say the Hobbit book was bad, I said the book was dated. There's a difference. The book came out nearly 90 years ago. Do you think that the writing style, the way characters are written and developed, plots and events unfold is going to stay the same today? Of course not. Even what is considered good books show their age as writing techniques and standards for storytelling change through the decades. The majority of the characters in The Hobbit had no personality. They had no character to them. To update the Hobbit, or any book for that matter, for the big screen, you have to make changes because books, television and movies are different languages that need to be translated between one medium to another. On top of that, the translation needs to be updated to the modern way we speak today.
I'm saying I enjoyed the aspects they updated because it allowed me to get invested in the characters that weren't Thorin and Bilbo. The Hobbit was also not Lord of the Rings, it was a sillier book from the outset and the movies reflected that. No one complained about actual deletions from the book like the dwarves' lack of colourful hoods. Each of them had hoods of different bright colours and that was a thing that surprised me when reading. But an accuracy like that is absent from the criticisms to complain about the decision to link up The Hobbit to the sequel series that Tolkien never originally intended to write when he was writing The Hobbit.
They also complain about adding a female character to the sausagefest that was the book. Women were only mentioned in passing, like a myth or something you might occasionally catch a glimpse of once a moon. People dislike the 'love triangle' but really can someone say they disliked it because it was a love triangle, or disliked it because we're all supposed to dislike the concept of love triangles? Also it's not a true love triangle anyway, because Tauriel had no feelings for Legolas whatsoever. Love triangles imply that there's mutual like for both love interests.
What else did I see as a complaint of the movie... The barrel river ride. The canon event in the books that they made more interesting for the visual aspect of the film. Ohh. How dare they upgrade the visuals to make something more interesting to look at for the viewer! lol
Basically I'm not refuting the films can be bad, but the common criticisms for the films being bad aren't the best and are rather weak, whiny and nitpicky and perhaps with a select few politically charged.
@@twilightguardian You largely talk as though all of the common criticisms come from of a perspective of Adaption. Which is absurd to me when the The Hobbit is a 90 year old book meant for children. I'm confident that the majority of people who watched the Hobbit Trilogy watched them with the LOTR Trilogy as their reference(And comparison) and rightfully so when its in the same continuity. I have no clue who you could be referring to in regards to these common criticisms you refer to.
(1:16:30)So to start off, no, you did not say it was bad specifically, but in the process you disregarded and misunderstood the criticism of the trilogy's additional material when you cited that the book failed to get you invested in the Dwarves and that the films gave them personality. This is why I made my original comment, as saying _"I didn't give a shit about them(Fili/Kili) in the book"_ sounded very similar to that type of Disney SW defense.
In regards to Criticism of Adaption, imagine a scenario where Someone goes to a restaurant for a meal which is delivered on a poorly made plate and it has a turd in it. They likely won't notice the poor quality of the plate, let alone think to mention it when the turd is far more demanding of their complaint. Your choice to cite the colorful hoods suggests to me you haven't actually engaged with the actual common criticisms when one of the most common things I hear just in regards to the Dwarves is either that most of them are forgettable or that Kili and Fili don't look like Dwarves. Neither of which are adaption arguments, are far more noteworthy and rank among the more minor criticisms. People did not critique the Hobbit trilogy from an adaption standpoint. Even if they did, they probably wouldn't do so if it was written well, otherwise things like Frodo figuring out the Riddle at Moria instead of Gandalf, Tom Bombadil, the Ghost Army being able to physically harm enemies and _"I am no man"_ would be common criticisms.
The Barrel Chase is a nice visual spectacle and a poorly written action scene, something that applies to many of the Action scenes throughout the trilogy.
First, there is a great deal of luck for the Dwarves such as when they are consistently be in situations where they acquire weapons from the Orcs to defend themselves while traveling at a high speed in rapids.
Secondly, Legolas is so absurdly skilled that there are no stakes while he is around and makes it difficult to believe he would struggle with things like the Cave Troll in Moria.
Thirdly, Tauriel Saves Legolas from an Orc archer by shooting his arrow while it is mid flight, instead of shooting the Orc.
Finally there is Bomfur harnessing the power of Slapstick Physics to survive being flung out of the river as well as conjuring a 14th barrel into existence for him to return to. This makes it difficult to be invested in any notion that the Dwarves are in danger as well as making it inconsistent with the LOTR Trilogy which don't run on Slapstick Physics, both of these issues apply to many of the action scenes.
On the "Love Triangle", regardless of whether its a love Triangle, its poorly written. For example, Thranduil, Legolas and Tauriel interrogate an Orc after the Barrel chase scene. When questioned why the Orcs were tracking the Dwarves, while looking directly at Tauriel He tells them that Kili(Specifically describing him for Tauriel) has been shot with a Morgal Shaft and that he will die from the poison.
First, the Orc has no reason to tell them this, the whole moment is just beating the viewer over the head with its intentions.
Secondly, until the 2nd Hobbit film such weapons were limited strictly to the Morgul Blades of the Nazgul, now it is implied that they could be reproduced to the point that a disposable arrow is given to some random Orc to shoot one random Dwarf, whom they intended to kill in the moment btw. So in order to progress the love story, they invented a new weapon which both devalues the Status of the Morgal Blades uniquely associated with the Nazgul, and begs the question why they didn't distribute such weapons amongst the armies of Sauron.
All of these common criticisms didn't spawn out of the Ether because some book nerds were salty, the Hobbit Films, while they have their positives(more they get credit for), are riddled with bad writing which shows when you get casuals pointing it out. I mean for crying out loud, you cannot convince me that Legolas vs Bolg in Battle of the Five Armies was criticized because it wasn't in the book.
Like it or not this was a giant filler season only a single thing in the volume mattered and that was the forge master at the very end the rest is useless to the story as a whole and dont say bumblebee that shit should have been cannon ages ago they were just milking that deelopment
before I even watch the vod of this, I would like to say two things. Once said I will watch the video and make an edit to further give my thoughts on the matter.
1. Shoutout to my boy Kaiser. What a guy, glad to see him as a recurring member of the "Let's dunk on RWBY and it's godawful writing" squad
2. Filler can be used as critic easily, if the filler is either bad or completely unnecessary. In the case of RWBY filler is completely unnecessary to me given that it doesn't follow a "source novel/comic" like for example manga does. It's why Naruto is called Filler the anime. But filler can also be great, if it enhances world building/character arcs, gives us time to breathe between story arcs/sagas ending and beginning or just tells us a damn good story. For one of the most beloved fillers in existence, look no further then the G7 arc in One Piece. A filler so beloved, it's gladly treated as canon.
much love
Volume 9 was filler. It should be use for valid criticisms because filler can caused a show to get worst and have damage. Gintama explains it. But one of the biggest problems with volume 9 is that we don't learn anything new at all other than the gods are jerk which we know that.
But also what was promiss was actually development from the characters and they didn't at all and somehow they gotten worst which crwby succeeds it and make me not like everyone and show that crwby don't care at all of rwby. By forcing and making stuff up for the characters that was never there and ruined them. They rushed ruby depression and and her breaking down tried to paint her in the wrong. Where she isn't at all and it would been easy be presentable because she was clearly show she was depressed and no help her not even her sister.
Which would make sense of yang but no because the writers care more about shipping bumblebee than have yang be her sister. Which I will say this again thay ship have done so much damages to this show that it beyond unforgivable. The forced and manipulation, the toxic relationship and abusive it is and how ruin these characters ect. Yang was never shown to be attracted to women and make zero sense to like blake same with blake to yang they only like guys.. They even shoved more shipping scenes after ruby death and her breakdown which is beyond disgusting and insulting. ( god I can't stand that ship)
All of it feels not only a slap in the face but a huge middle finger to the fans of rwby. Not to mention Ruby ending herself and no one cares or seem to be bother by it. Ruby should be angry and upset and not forgive them. All of it feels like a huge a waste of time and it doesn't help with the forced shipping with bumblebee to pander people who aren't really fans or cared about rwby. ( I can go on a huge rant on why bumblebee/wasps is horrible but no). Also with how they handle ruby depression and suicide is also insulting and offensive as well. This should been the volume where everyone admitted there faults and should do better a be a sisterhood but no we got a waste of time that care more about a ship that no one likes or supports and is insulting and ahove ruby development behind and blame her and made her end herself. Beyond disgusting and insulting. It is a filler volume that cause so many problems and killed rwby and ahow crwby and rt don't care. And i hope wb or any company don't continue or reboot it and make it a sisterhood and give to teh people who made icequeendom or someone that cares. I say this before but replaced blake and ruby in all those scenes with yang and make it about them as sisters and show yang cares and love ruby would make more sense and be impactful. Heck you could have the bridged be about ruby and yang and it them trusting each other ans yang helping ruby and tell them have each other back and love one another ans than we learn about there parents and qrow and ect.
What makes Volume 9 worse to me is that as of now it seems to be the final Volume of the series. The show ending on filler is arguably the worst thing that could happen to any series.
I think the setting was filler. I guarantee if all the same plot beats happened but in Vacuo, nobody would have called V9 filler. the Ever After was a waste of time.
I want to add that, even for the filler that's just seeing the characters do what they do in fun and interesting ways, there's a limit of acceptability with filler for me (for lack of a better term) that's determined by three major factors: the length of the series, the release schedule of the series, and the placement of the filler. The release is probably easiest to explain as Twilight brought it up with Steven Universe, that being that small batch releases that are more than a third filler is not acceptable. Honestly, I don't think the townie episodes as they're called would've gotten nearly as much flak if the show stuck to weekly releases, but because CN saw the success of the first Steven Bomb and stupidly decided that the rest of the show should release that way while they inflated their scheduling with TTG, what were originally characters and episodes that people enjoyed the hell out of became slogs to get through because of the enforced haphazard release schedule meaning we'd get barely an hour of new SU content for months with maybe half of it actually pushing along the ongoing story and mystery of what happened in the past. I reckon that's part of why Netflix shows have very minimal filler content, since they also release in batches, and while they are far longer than Steven Bombs, there's still the binge nature of the service.
That, then, leads into my first factor. To start, when I say length, I'm talking run time as opposed to episode count. Longer shows, I feel, have more leniency with their filler, as it leads to more breathing room like Celtic said in order to digest the story progression. That's not to say that longer shows should have filler, as forcing it in would lead to the feeling of padding things out, but it's kind of an exponential relation. To go back to the Netflix show example (or just a general streaming service batch release), say there's a show with seven to eight episodes that are each an hour long, with three of them being "filler" episodes. Not exactly an ideal release, but it's serviceable as that's still a good chunk of time you spent with the series in total. Now take that same show, episode count and premise and all, and cut the run time in half. The ratio of progression and filler is the same, but because there's now less time being offered by the show, the filler can come off as more intrusive.
That can, however, be mitigated by the third factor, the placement of the filler. All three of these tie into one another, really, but this is the shortest point to go over. Basically, if the filler was set between major plot beats, then having it in that shorter run time would be more excusable. Alternatively, the more common way I've seen of handling it is to have three episodes' *worth* of filler, rather than three filler episodes. Both methods avoid the show from being loaded at either end with plot, or from having a meandering middle section where nothing substantial really happens.
Update I just found out viz media now owns RWBY and plans to continue. Spread the word.
For the last 30 min of this video, the m*a*s*h soundtrack is stuck in my head
Mind you, Critter, they didn't just save the Spacehorses of one town in The Last Jedi, they saved the Spacehorses of THE ONLY Town.
Aside from that little, terraformed Area where the Casino and the luxury hotels are, the planet is barren. There's nothing else.
Finn and Rose basically released a bunch of racehorses into an endless desert. You better pray these things get captured again, otherwise they starve to death.
Honestly because of EFAP I just don't get any joy or enjoyment from vids like this anymore. I just don't see the appeal unfortunately. EFAP rots my brain.
There's still good videos like this out there in the wild, the problem is they're all needles in a haystack that you have to go out of your way to find.
What type of vid are you looking for? If it's essays kinda like Blizzics, but better, I recommend Warlockracy. They focus on reviewing older games and mods, and talks about the writing, politics, themes, and their execution, with rightful praise and criticism where they apply.
If you like dry humor, and like hearing about more obscure games and topics without the vague posting nonsense, I recommend him.
@@Number1Rival Warlockracy mention. Based
As someone who had not finished fixing rwby Volume 6 I am very annoyed by the completely out of nowhere random spoiler on who kills Adam.
the problem with his construction of the criticism is he likely never had quality teachers that taught him how to form a compelling persuasive essay.
V9 is filler and that's WHY it was the best season. It didn't have to care about the trashfire that is the main plot.
Too bad this season’s plot was, in itself, a trashfire.
el problema que yo noto o quizas no se el unico, es que se siente que hacen un trama, desarrolló,evolucion de personaje a las patadas y sin alguna estructura que mantenga esas cuestiones. Si el escritor tiene limitantes hace todo lo posible para que no sea un problema. Pero aca no hay nada de eso tuvieron la libertad que quisieron respecto a lo que se podia hacer en una trama incluso yo que estoy estudienado todo respecto a la escritura.
Se me hace muy mala idea contar diferentes puntos de vista,abordar diferentes tramas y problemas, desarrollar perosnajes con tan solo 8 capitulos y mas aun no saber como lo vas a abordar o no tener algo planeado desde el inicio o no planificar todo eso desde un principio y ponerlo todo de sobremanera.
Cuando uno analiza la escritura de esta serie la mayoria de los fanáticos solo queremos mejorar ya que de base si es insastisfactoria cuando una serie es buena tambien te deja satisfecha lo contrario a esta serie ya que en vez te dan ganas de escribir y dar una mejor escritura. Porque eso es lo que es rwby una serie que pudo ser hasta de las mejores en internet pero por negligencia se encuetra en este limbo
Rwby volume 9 wasn't filler it was a detour
@twilightguardian is using Speed as a Shortcut not the same thing as 2D animation smear frames? Just a cheaper low budget version (for the cheap low budget show). It's Easier and more time effective to have a Character zoom past frame, than to animate an entire run cycle for 2 seconds of screen time.
I also went back to The Nevermore fight to see the Blake moment you referenced, Yes it's a choppy animation and she does clip into the floor. but not nearly as bad as you claimed it to be. and Monty didn't hide it, it was clear and center frame, but it was also Less than 2 seconds of screen time. Kind of a massive Nitpick vs the numerous animation faults in that Scene. Like how Yang looks basically weightless as she jumps on nothing as the Castle Tower collapses and the four girls jump around the rubble
No, speed isn't the same thing as 2D animation smear frames. Smear frames are purposefully there in order to emphasize speed of a movement where as what Monty does is to cut corners and make the animation look jank in order to compensate for the fact that he's using a program that wasn't built for animation to animate. That wasn't what I was talking about at all but good on you for trying your best to prove me wrong, I suppose. Maybe actually research smear frames before speaking about them since you dislike people having opinions on things they know nothing about
Aren't you just proving my point, the software was limited and being pushed beyond its intended Use(bc of the budget). It couldn't do custom Smears, so He compensated with speed.
And if you think every smear frame ever is purely artistic and not a shortcut, you're being incredibly disingenuous.
you don't have to Love RWBY or Monty's work. but to say He wasn't a phenomenal animator is just disrespectful. not to mention wrong, because the Red Trailer was a literal global phenomenon
@@blindvalkyrie9352 He wasn't a phenomenal animator. And no, I wasn't proving your point. If you can't understand the difference between a smear and a shortcut, there's honestly no helping you.
@@twilightguardian you're being so intentionally incredibly dense if you don't understand what I'm saying
Smears. Can. Be Shortcuts.
and there's nothing wrong with Shortcuts on limited animation software.
If you look at something like The Red Trailer and only see flaws, rather than the brilliant use of Poses, timing, and creative use of momentum you're just looking for something to hate to confirm your pre-established bias
@@blindvalkyrie9352 I'm telling you if you fundamentally don't know what the fuck a smear frame is then there's no reason to even talk to you. I've already said that smear frames are not shortcuts and you keep being a moron by saying "bUt THeY cAn bE". They're not. They're not. How many times do I have to say it before it goes through your thick skull. If I wanted to do the equivalent to Monty's animation I'd TAKE OUT the smear frames entirely. Guess what, genius. Did you know that 3D animation is also capable of replicating smears? Have you ever WATCHED Hotel Transylvannia? Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs? They use 2D animation techniques in their 3D animated movies.
Actually learn a thing before you spout your nonsense. I actually know what I'm talking about. You're just a fan who looks at Monty's animation with rose coloured glasses and whines when someone says it isn't perfect. Get a life.
Also I never fucking said that there was nothing good about Monty's animation. Stop putting words in my mouth you horrid little creature.
"As a not RWBY fan" @twilightguardian So why are you here? Honestly, usually people Criticize things they are a fan of bc they want that thing to be better. You alsso had a very strong opinion on Dungeon meshi for someone who admits to not seeing it, interesting
Because someone who doesn't like something is allowed to have an opinion and if you think they can't then why are YOU here?
Also, I didn't have an opinion on Dungeon Meshi. I had an opinion on Lily Orchard. Maybe pay attention next time, you won't look silly :)
I'm here for the opinions of people who watched the show, obviously. The original video was bad. but the guy had a point. people hate without actually watching the show.
@@blindvalkyrie9352 And I watched the show. But that wasn't what you were whining about. You don't like me talking about the show because I don't like it, not because I didn't watch it. Pick a lane.
@@twilightguardianI'm not hating on Phoenix or Critter now am I? and you said yourself you didn't watxh Volume 5, so did you watch the show or not? pick a lane
The only way i will consider V9 filler is if it's literally never brought up again or if it's not used in the final battle somehow.
1:53:19 he's probably gotten triggered by AI art if Ruby losing her job at WB is what that is I've seen people get unhinged when they saw it on the main Rwby subreddit that if it's ever posted in the critics subreddit they storm that to just be angry and try telling us that RWBY isn't dead and bullshit
Also hot take I care not about AI art because to me it's gives the lay man who wants to make "art" the ability to do so without costing them a arm and a leg. And even then a machine can only do so much like originality so actually artists who have ORIGINALITY will still be in demand.
Illustrators are a different story because ant to be hired because as far as I know they can only draw your favorite Waifus in sexually explicit ways and clothes. They have to worry about losing there jobs because a AI will just make that.
Actual originality will always be on the table for true artists.
Illustrators on the other hand are the ones who actually should be worried about soulless machines making explicit art if Waifus without paying a arm or a leg as far as I've seen.
>"The lay man who wants to make 'art' the ability to do so without costing them a arm and a leg."
Pencils are $0.09, paper is $0.02, and you can get internet at any Library in the states to look up free online tutorials.
Bruh, people who want to do art will learn to do art. People who envy artists will take every shortcut they can without understanding why and completely diluting the already muddy industry.
@@CelticPhoenix when I mean by cost them a arm and a leg is that the lay man who wants a representation of there own characters but dont necessarily have the time to devote themselves to the hobby of drawing. Especially a skill that takes a long time while yes it's a short cut it's not like there selling there AI art. Nor can they do very complex commands. I have never seen people ask for commissions for there AI art it's more for themselves for character creation like that if a character Creator from a video game using just another online resource.
And again actual artists will always be in demand for originality and there own unique style and abilities.
In basic terms I believe actual artists will always be in demand. Illustrators who again only draw your favorite characters that particular way are the ones who would be out of a job and I'm fine with that because they cost way to much for what there giving. And that's coming from someone who sucks at drawing, and hires artists for characters I want to see visualized.
But that's just me.
Very true. Machines cannot create. They require input to actually function and will produce based on whatever they are fed at the most literal level.
This is the Univeral Truth of the Technomancer.
Artists have nothing to fear from the Machine and everything to gain.
Those who fear the Machine do not understand this singular truth nor what it is.
@@LcplAnimeGuy If you don't have the time to devote to the hobby of creation, they also don't have the time for any other hobbies, like learning how to use AI machines and arguing with people on twitter about it for 3 hours a day.
Drawing tablets are at cheapest $40-$100. FireAlpaca is free. Your inability to manage your time to something you supposedly care about isn't grounds for harming hundreds of different disciplines, many of which aren't even within the arts. If someone has an OC they want realized then they can either pony up the money they spend on a subscription to that AI product to either buy these tools themselves like I did when I was a teenager, or they can hire an actual artist to do it for them like Kaiser does. Any justification I hear along those lines tells me that person who uses excuses like that are just entitled brats who don't want to put effort into anything they're supposedly passionate about, which means they aren't actually all that passionate.
@LcplAnimeGuy, there's also the issue of stolen assets. AI art is a remixed regurgitation of other people's art at current, almost none of whom gave permission for their art to be fed into the algorithm. There's massive ethical questions that I think are going to slam against the AI community in the coming years and are going to severely nerf it's ability to operate without the same types of fees you'd get for simply commissioning an artist (the fees might even get _more_ exorbitant, in fact, considering there's a massive overhead cost for AI).
This is a phase of technology that's neat, but like a lot, it's going to burn out and be pared back to a background utility, and a lot of the things people 'enjoy' now are going to go defunct because they're unethical.
Filler is extended material that does not progress the plot, contain character development or growth, provide clues/foreshadowing for an important future plot point (even if in jest), or lastly, can be COMPLETELY removed and have NO impact on a "new" party's comprehension of the media as a whole or in part.
Filler is NOT "time spent developing something that, you, as an opinionated viewer DISLIKE, disagree with, or wish wasn't canon...such as a relationship between two gay characters
Which is EXACTLY what Volume 9 is....filler! Any development that happened here was reset right at the very end(except for Juane) which in turn has just wasted everyone's time on shit that DOES NOT MATTER!
52:40 @KaiserShounen is that not THE definition of an Echo chamber?
Not necessarily. I am fine with listening to dissenting opinions. I don't excise or begrudge people for having different opinions than me. But I'm not gonna piss my pants and vaguepost about them in a video. Im either going to address those people directly and show proof of that OR I ignore them because they don't seem worth my time. An echo chamber would be actively antagonising or vilifying people I disagree with without giving them a face that the audience can latch onto.
What Blizzic in this video did and what other creators do is make generalizations over the words of people who barely even have a 100 followers without understanding the wider discussion or the fundamental arguments being made. If someone has a bad take, I'll either address them directly or I move on with my day and I'd rather delete my channel than pull a cuck move like anyone who would resort to such lame and disingenuous tactics. Fuck that shit.
Dang what did Blizzic do to you guys? I did enjoy the video but yeah he should've given it a different title
Critter and Phoenix are the only two here who i can take their opinions seriously
That's bias as hell, but go off
How is that Bias exactly, they are the only two who have confirmed watched all of RWBY. I didn't say I agree with them, quite the opposite on most things.
The other two just yap and never make any points beyond dunking on the original video guy bc he makes it easy.
@@blindvalkyrie9352 Explain to me how I am wrong then. I have no idea what made you think I haven't seen all of rwby when I clearly reference the events of V9 and past events during the stream.
So...Do they like RWBY?
Absolutely. I never make youtube videos about something I have no soft spot for.