12:10 Ethan I seem to remember the Cybertruck is being built with features like Autopilot which you cant use because it is not activated ...so its not just the Chinese.
I live in Laos and since we share a border with China, there are now a lot of Chinese car brands available. What worries me the most though is that there are so many brands and then sub-brands and re-brands of all these cars, that these cars might have limited parts availability in case of needed repairs or maintenance and even worse, that there's no support at all after just a few years (hardware and software). As such, I probably would only buy a BYD, MG or Geely for now.
As tesla owner, outside US, i bought FSD at 2018 model s for sake autopilot will come. but it never came, sold it , got model 3 performance, also until today it never came, now got plaid but didn pay for fsd and will never do. Waiting my first Chinese car , L9 Ultra 😅
Another great video chat guys, especially my pet peeve which is related to colours too, both exterior (like the minimal options for real colours to select from (G6 woohoo!), and no I am not interested in grey or silver nor white or black); and interiors of either black or white only. As an Aussie a black interior is a disaster in summer and white is impossible to keep clean (and the Chinese fascination with tan is just …). The Red Centre is called that for good reason. I like glass roofs but a sun blind is essential. How about an update on the current sales situation in China of BEVs and how manufacturers are coping with the current price discounting and if this will further drive international exports or indeed BEV manufacturing in places like Thailand. In Oz we have RHD vehicles by the way. Keep up the good “on the ground China news” which The Telescope and Elliots’ channels are also useful for.
I would be clement - the Chinese market is fierce as hell. If they won't imitate the marker leaders, they will quickly vanish. What I don't like 1) the imitating the market leader is often blind - we could see it at: - naming convention (models "one" at numerous producers), - introducing chassis type (sedan and fastback chassis got very popular only because Tesla was successful in introducing them), while liftbacks/compact SUVs/crossovers were more demanded by the customers (BYD was aware of that) - imitating Tesla by introducing no-button cheap driver console apart one big touching screen of the central console even in luxury segments etc 2) proper mechanical set up (suspension, vibration damping,) were often omitted even at expensive brands.
I honestly blame Tesla for perpetuating everything on touchscreen design. I wish more Chinese EV makers would diverge from this idea and create more original designs with more physical controls and not conform to Tesla
I am already sick of screens to operate basic items especially those that require lose of attention to driving. There is already to many distracted drivers with cell phones.
There is a difference. BYD Cell to Body uses structural battery cells to build the pack. The pack case is then lighter. Tesla uses cells that do not provide structure. It uses a heavy pack case and fills it with rigid foam. In other words, while both have strucural packs, only BYD has the battery cells providing structure for the pack.
Ethan does mention CTB vs tesla which isn’t the best example from technical standpoint. But it gets the general idea across. There are other OEMs who have claimed their [insert new acronym] CTB/CTC as a worlds first when they definitely were not. The OEM wasn’t BYD. 😅
@@ChinaDriven Yes, Xioami has something similar, but more of a button bar. I was thinking of trying the Zeekr button but I'm not sure what I would need it for ... any suggestion? 😅
just a comment, the US brands produce various colors. I think that's a modern trend. Blue, red, silver, grey, black, white - I think all brands have the fleet in these colors available on the US market. And the grey option is pretty recent, from ~2021. Some manufacturers make green ones as well (Ford).
@@i6power30 S... Sa... Safe... Safet... Safety... In Chinese cars? Where did you get that? Tech? Same. Not even close to the US ones. The amount of screens isn't "tech", "tech" category goes completely to German manufacturers, they're awesome. "Tech" of, for example, Tesla, is beyond anything China does. Safety? It's similar for US/European/Japanese brands, somewhat similar for Korean. I can't compare them, I think the sophistication of safety features in Korean cars still isn't there. Chinese? No, no way, not even close to any major brand.
@@i6power30 I think you're just not familiar with what Europe, Japan and America makes. Just ask yourself, why do the same car models in China are cheaper than in the USA? Doesn't matter which manufacturer, Honda, Mercedes, BMW, whatever. To make cars cheaper manufacturers simplify the construction, use less "rare" materials and less electronic assistants. For example, the "de-facto" standard in USA is self-driving (radar cruize control), full safety features like self-stopping (detection of people and moving objects, decision making to prevent collision), full set of airbags (like, 6+ in each and every car sold, 2 front, 2 side, 2 under the roof), default "stability control" features, default automatic transmission. It's hard to find manual (stick shift) here. Can you tell that all these options are not "Tech"? And the European manufacturers have even more complex systems like fender bender mitigation systems (you just can't hit any object driving BMW X5 for example). Plus - only LED lights all around with some sophisticated level of detection of blinding surrounding drivers and avoidance of that ("laserlight"). Even Toyota and Honda from 2017 are capable of switching off "high beams" when there are cars in front and keep the lanes while driving, maintain distance etc. So if you tell that Chinese cars are "better" - you're not familiar with what other brands sell in "1st world countries". Those cars are completely different from what you have in China, even under the same badge.
@@sergeymatpoc I think you are not familiar with the latest developments. Check Euro ncap safety tests. Several Chinese brands beat the likes of BMW, Jeep, Toyota etc..
display or screen on whole dashboard, nobody need that much..just one at the middle like 13 to 15inch is large enough for navigation and something else
Here in India, MG and BYD are the only Chinese brands available. While they offer great value for money, the UI on the screens are my major pet peeve. Even if the hardware is good, the software looks like a $100 phone even on a $65K car.
What I like least about the Chinese electric vehicle market is that the excess of brands and models of state companies destroys some private companies whose vehicles would be better, companies with better structure and organization. The government should activate investment funds supporting private companies like Hiphi, Rox, Hozon, Byton (if it were still alive), Nio, Xpeng, etc.
Come on, it's competition, it's irrelevant to state owned company or not. actually Li Auto and Xpeng and LeapMotor are living well, none of them are state owned.
Perhaps you could also discuss the space trade-off. For example, the Chinese cars seem to allocate a massive amount of space to the seats in the 2nd row. However, this is exactly the opposite of most European cars, as they also need sufficient trunk space. What's the point of having a car if you don't feel you can transport anything in it or can't take it on vacation, etc.?
The second row is where the boss sits. The chauffeur can make do with regular seats. That’s why there are extended wheel base BMWs and Mercedes Benzes sold only in China.
@@Chris-N916 yeah i know. The point i try to make was that this decission is difrent in europe, so maybe it would be better, when chinese car brands would take care of this, when they would like to sell more cars here
I understand what you are talking about. Things like how the trunk on my 5.2m long ET7 isn’t very large. If you look at the Ora Goodcat (03) you see for a small hatchback it has loads of second row legroom at the expense of trunk/boot space. It’s definitely a Chinese preference.
I actually prefer second row space ,i always when sit actually supprissed how some german luxury cars are cramped behind ,like in Mercedes E class which is like 100k euros when i sit behind is so cramped and claustrophobic. If you want more luggage you can always install roof cargo box or fold seat,but even better buy estate version
Excuse me! First of all it does matter. LFP Lithium Ferro Phosphate ( saying Iron is lazy and can be easily confused with Ion) is the most important chemistry and CATL forward leaps with Shenxing and Shenxing Plus is basically game-over we don't need solid state or anything else between CATL and BYD ...LFP is the chemistry the world needs.
I got clickbaited into watching a video with a pretty weak list of negatives. My pet peeve is YT artificially boosting videos, simply because they can be considered anti-China. The boys are about to learn about the boosting they'll get for China negative content. Let's see if they take the bait!
You do a review of Chinese vehicles and on the other side you laugh at the Chinese vehicles and their manufacturers. Healthy Criticism is good but criticism shouldn't be just for criticism.
You don't think its possible to critic with humor? Often it's the best way! Sardonic humor, empathy and irony I'm guessing are not terms well understood in China.
5 Things We Hate Most About Chinese Cars: 1. Built by COMMUNISTS ! 2. Built by COMMUNISTS ! 3. Built by COMMUNISTS ! 4. Built by COMMUNISTS ! 4. Built by COMMUNISTS !
12:10 Ethan I seem to remember the Cybertruck is being built with features like Autopilot which you cant use because it is not activated ...so its not just the Chinese.
I live in Laos and since we share a border with China, there are now a lot of Chinese car brands available. What worries me the most though is that there are so many brands and then sub-brands and re-brands of all these cars, that these cars might have limited parts availability in case of needed repairs or maintenance and even worse, that there's no support at all after just a few years (hardware and software). As such, I probably would only buy a BYD, MG or Geely for now.
Yeah stick with well known brands even if they cost a little bit more you will get better resale value. Net you aren't spending more.
As tesla owner, outside US, i bought FSD at 2018 model s for sake autopilot will come. but it never came, sold it , got model 3 performance, also until today it never came, now got plaid but didn pay for fsd and will never do. Waiting my first Chinese car , L9 Ultra 😅
Non-Tesla cars would give me range anxiety on the road.
@@unusuario5173 positivly li l9 does come with extended range generater🤣
Another great video chat guys, especially my pet peeve which is related to colours too, both exterior (like the minimal options for real colours to select from (G6 woohoo!), and no I am not interested in grey or silver nor white or black); and interiors of either black or white only. As an Aussie a black interior is a disaster in summer and white is impossible to keep clean (and the Chinese fascination with tan is just …). The Red Centre is called that for good reason. I like glass roofs but a sun blind is essential.
How about an update on the current sales situation in China of BEVs and how manufacturers are coping with the current price discounting and if this will further drive international exports or indeed BEV manufacturing in places like Thailand. In Oz we have RHD vehicles by the way.
Keep up the good “on the ground China news” which The Telescope and Elliots’ channels are also useful for.
2:16 It is important
If you look at the mobile phone market, a lot of Android technology is copied from the iPhone by changing the name.
I would be clement - the Chinese market is fierce as hell. If they won't imitate the marker leaders, they will quickly vanish.
What I don't like
1) the imitating the market leader is often blind - we could see it at:
- naming convention (models "one" at numerous producers),
- introducing chassis type (sedan and fastback chassis got very popular only because Tesla was successful in introducing them), while liftbacks/compact SUVs/crossovers were more demanded by the customers (BYD was aware of that)
- imitating Tesla by introducing no-button cheap driver console apart one big touching screen of the central console even in luxury segments
etc
2) proper mechanical set up (suspension, vibration damping,) were often omitted even at expensive brands.
I honestly blame Tesla for perpetuating everything on touchscreen design. I wish more Chinese EV makers would diverge from this idea and create more original designs with more physical controls and not conform to Tesla
I am already sick of screens to operate basic items especially those that require lose of attention to driving. There is already to many distracted drivers with cell phones.
One could say that XPeng's XNGP wouldn't be where it is today if not for the lessons learnt from the P5.
That is a fair point.
There is a difference. BYD Cell to Body uses structural battery cells to build the pack. The pack case is then lighter. Tesla uses cells that do not provide structure. It uses a heavy pack case and fills it with rigid foam. In other words, while both have strucural packs, only BYD has the battery cells providing structure for the pack.
Ethan does mention CTB vs tesla which isn’t the best example from technical standpoint. But it gets the general idea across.
There are other OEMs who have claimed their [insert new acronym] CTB/CTC as a worlds first when they definitely were not. The OEM wasn’t BYD. 😅
They're biased reviewers
what's happening with lotus? not sure you've ever covered them?
Teala is the car which snap your neck though
Funny thing about buttons, I've looked at the Zeekr store the other day and saw a very weird add-on you can purchase: bluettoth buttons ... genius?
Yes. We actually talk about these in our next video because Xiaomi is also offering something similar.
@@ChinaDriven Yes, Xioami has something similar, but more of a button bar. I was thinking of trying the Zeekr button but I'm not sure what I would need it for ... any suggestion? 😅
@@jwickerszh if I had a 001 or 009 I’d be programming it to pull in wing mirrors. Hahaha
@@ChinaDriven Yes, guess you could do that, stick it on the side. I just never need to do that personally.
Wow, a Chinese car roasting video, must be for your American audience.
just a comment, the US brands produce various colors. I think that's a modern trend.
Blue, red, silver, grey, black, white - I think all brands have the fleet in these colors available on the US market. And the grey option is pretty recent, from ~2021.
Some manufacturers make green ones as well (Ford).
But the US cars are like dinosaurs in terms of tech and safety compared to the Chinese.
@@i6power30 S... Sa... Safe... Safet... Safety... In Chinese cars? Where did you get that?
Tech? Same. Not even close to the US ones.
The amount of screens isn't "tech", "tech" category goes completely to German manufacturers, they're awesome. "Tech" of, for example, Tesla, is beyond anything China does.
Safety? It's similar for US/European/Japanese brands, somewhat similar for Korean. I can't compare them, I think the sophistication of safety features in Korean cars still isn't there.
Chinese? No, no way, not even close to any major brand.
@@i6power30 I think you're just not familiar with what Europe, Japan and America makes.
Just ask yourself, why do the same car models in China are cheaper than in the USA? Doesn't matter which manufacturer, Honda, Mercedes, BMW, whatever. To make cars cheaper manufacturers simplify the construction, use less "rare" materials and less electronic assistants.
For example, the "de-facto" standard in USA is self-driving (radar cruize control), full safety features like self-stopping (detection of people and moving objects, decision making to prevent collision), full set of airbags (like, 6+ in each and every car sold, 2 front, 2 side, 2 under the roof), default "stability control" features, default automatic transmission. It's hard to find manual (stick shift) here.
Can you tell that all these options are not "Tech"?
And the European manufacturers have even more complex systems like fender bender mitigation systems (you just can't hit any object driving BMW X5 for example). Plus - only LED lights all around with some sophisticated level of detection of blinding surrounding drivers and avoidance of that ("laserlight"). Even Toyota and Honda from 2017 are capable of switching off "high beams" when there are cars in front and keep the lanes while driving, maintain distance etc.
So if you tell that Chinese cars are "better" - you're not familiar with what other brands sell in "1st world countries". Those cars are completely different from what you have in China, even under the same badge.
@@sergeymatpoc I think you are not familiar with the latest developments. Check Euro ncap safety tests. Several Chinese brands beat the likes of BMW, Jeep, Toyota etc..
@@i6power30 I see...
"BYD ATTO 3 receives worst Euro NCAP rating, Mercedes i5 best"
Nice try 😂
中国电动车目前体验最糟糕的4个方面：
①完全贴合车身的伸缩式门把手，冬天会被冻住无法打开。
②全自动的车门打开方式。我有手自己会开车门，而且更快更准确。厂家不如把这部分的成本用在别的地方。
③内部实体按键偏少。我希望以后所有的厂商可以像xiaomiSU7一样增加实体按键的配件。
④过时且低质量的CLTC标准，总是和实际里程有20%-30%的差距。中国政府应该更新这个标准。
I agree CLTC is way off the estimated range. I always -30% to get a more realistic range in my EV
Are you going to review the Xiaomi SU7 Max?
there’s gonna be “world first premium seat with built in toilet” someday if this keep going
They are already in America. I think they call them RVs hahahaha
Apart from that ..its high time a Microwave oven was standard equipment.
display or screen on whole dashboard, nobody need that much..just one at the middle like 13 to 15inch is large enough for navigation and something else
Here in India, MG and BYD are the only Chinese brands available. While they offer great value for money, the UI on the screens are my major pet peeve. Even if the hardware is good, the software looks like a $100 phone even on a $65K car.
Still way better than German car software
Hey now, I use sport+ out in the middle of nowhere thank you very much. I’m not nobody 😢
What I like least about the Chinese electric vehicle market is that the excess of brands and models of state companies destroys some private companies whose vehicles would be better, companies with better structure and organization. The government should activate investment funds supporting private companies like Hiphi, Rox, Hozon, Byton (if it were still alive), Nio, Xpeng, etc.
Come on, it's competition, it's irrelevant to state owned company or not. actually Li Auto and Xpeng and LeapMotor are living well, none of them are state owned.
You're totally wrong. State owned auto companies are losing market share, private auto companies like byd are dominating the new energy market.
@@hynoor7254 Aion(Gac), Hycan(Gac), IM(Saic), Rising (Saic), Arcfox(Baic), Deepal(Changan), Avatr(Changan), Voyah(Dongfeng), Seres(Dongfeng), Icar(Chery), Exeed(Chery), Wuling(Saic), etc, etc, etc.
@@hynoor7254 IM(Saic), Rising(Saic), Arcfox(Baic), Voyah(Dongfeng), Seres(Dongfeng), Aion(Gac), Hycan(Gac), Icar(Chery), Exeed & Luxeed( Chery), Deepal & Avatr(Changan), Jac brand(Jac), etc, etc
你错了，国有企业的品牌在中国非常弱势，比亚迪，吉利，这些，都是私营品牌，现在政府甚至指派华为去整合那些竞争力不够的国有车企发展自己的新能源车型
Lotus Racing Green Metalic, like on the Evora mmmmm
In my market, Chinese Cars offer zero passive security, unreliable active one, and they're available only in AT transmission ¬¬
Perhaps you could also discuss the space trade-off. For example, the Chinese cars seem to allocate a massive amount of space to the seats in the 2nd row. However, this is exactly the opposite of most European cars, as they also need sufficient trunk space. What's the point of having a car if you don't feel you can transport anything in it or can't take it on vacation, etc.?
The second row is where the boss sits. The chauffeur can make do with regular seats. That’s why there are extended wheel base BMWs and Mercedes Benzes sold only in China.
@@Chris-N916 yeah i know. The point i try to make was that this decission is difrent in europe, so maybe it would be better, when chinese car brands would take care of this, when they would like to sell more cars here
I understand what you are talking about. Things like how the trunk on my 5.2m long ET7 isn’t very large. If you look at the Ora Goodcat (03) you see for a small hatchback it has loads of second row legroom at the expense of trunk/boot space.
It’s definitely a Chinese preference.
I actually prefer second row space ,i always when sit actually supprissed how some german luxury cars are cramped behind ,like in Mercedes E class which is like 100k euros when i sit behind is so cramped and claustrophobic.
If you want more luggage you can always install roof cargo box or fold seat,but even better buy estate version
Whats the crazy obesssion with cars?Just drive a bicycle!
13:52 because this not ICE. End western car
CHINESE cars are awesome. so much improvement in such a short time
Excuse me! First of all it does matter. LFP Lithium Ferro Phosphate ( saying Iron is lazy and can be easily confused with Ion)
is the most important chemistry and CATL forward leaps with Shenxing and Shenxing Plus is basically game-over we don't need solid state or anything else between CATL and BYD ...LFP is the chemistry the world needs.
Wow Tesla is so bad!
I got clickbaited into watching a video with a pretty weak list of negatives. My pet peeve is YT artificially boosting videos, simply because they can be considered anti-China. The boys are about to learn about the boosting they'll get for China negative content. Let's see if they take the bait!
You do a review of Chinese vehicles and on the other side you laugh at the Chinese vehicles and their manufacturers. Healthy Criticism is good but criticism shouldn't be just for criticism.
You don't think its possible to critic with humor?
Often it's the best way!
Sardonic humor, empathy and irony I'm guessing are not terms well understood in China.
@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars How the F did you assume that he is from China? Is having a dissenting opinion not accepted in your country?
They are just jealous
all the lidar but not even close to tesla in terms of self driving capabilities
u mean self killing?
Get ready to watch FSD fail spectacularly on Chinese roads
i will never buy & use a chongneese car. never. i like to stay alive.
Yak yak yak
Tells me nothing
Forgot to mention the ever increasing EV useless circus tricks.
5 Things We Hate Most About Chinese Cars:
1. Built by COMMUNISTS !
2. Built by COMMUNISTS !
3. Built by COMMUNISTS !
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4. Built by COMMUNISTS !
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