Great readout. If you haven't, you may want to read "Sniper On The Eastern Front," the memoirs of Sepp Allerberger, a German sniper. He categorically states the Mosin, both the regular and sniper version were much better than the Mauser. The Mosins would not freeze up, while the Mausers routinely did. He states that he, and most German snipers, would snatch up Mosin snipers, and use them versus their issued Mauser snipers. His preferred ammo was the Mosin's explosive rounds. Interesting read. Thanks for the video.
Standard load out for both Mosin and Mauser is 60 rounds in stripper clips. With Mosin it's four pouches with three 5 round clip in each pouch, in Mauser it's six pouches with two 5 round clips in each pouch. While shooting a Mauser, it begins to noticeably heat up after firing a single 5 round clip. By finishing a second clip it's already hot. By the third clip, gloves are needed to adjust the sight. By 30 rounds fired it's so hot, the front sigh picture is obstructed by the heat rising from the breech and rear sight block. Such rapid heating also dramatically shifts point of impact, which continues to with with every heat up and cool down cycle. Mosin can be shot until the wood begins to smoke. Such things are only found out and comprehended by shooters with first hand experience. Mauser shooters that actually take the rifle through the paces instead of bumping a few rounds to a 50 yard line, know exactly what begins to happen at 2 and 3 hundred yards by 3rd and 4th clip fired.
BigSmartArmed hate to say it and maybe we’ve had differing experience but all 3 of my 98Ks and one K98AZ have never had an issue. I’ve ran competitions specifically centered around WW2 from it being 30 to 100 degrees outside (live in West Texas) and shooting 25 to 300 hundreds yards out and have only malfunctions caused by aged ammunition (mainly Yugo 53). Never have I had my point of aim shift in any of my rifles. Maybe you’ve encountered a few bad apples.
@Steve Wall It's not just K98, it's 8X57 in general. 8X57 casing has a very short, shallow and poorly defined shoulder. Because the shoulder is so short and poorly defined, when fired pressure stretches the neck into the mouth, and depending on how the chamber is cut, it pushes the neck against case against the transition step. It adds a lot of high pressure mechanical friction to the chamber. Your K98 might have a pushed back transition step and long freebore, so it does not heat up as rapidly as other chambers. In such arrangement, steel casing is worse then brass. Shoulder definition is even less then brass, and while brass gets formed to the chamber, the neck of the steel casing gets stretched into the mouth and then it springs back while the chamber is still under pressure before the ejection even begins. Massive MG42 barrel gets cooked at 200 rounds fired and it must be swapped out otherwise burn damage to the throat will be catastrophic. In comparison, slimmer profile barrels of M60/M240/PKM easily burn through 200+ rounds of 7.62X51/7.62X54 ammo without the risk of throat brunout.
Mosin locks up to the point the bolt has to be beaten open with a block of wood.. Mauser still wins. Rather have a wondering zero after 50rnds than to have to carry a block to beat open my bolt after 20rnds.
Fun fact, I have the same exact refrigerator as you have in the video! Wish I had a k98 though , lol love your videos and the wealth of knowledge you share!
The eternal question. It’s probably the M 91 /30. There are very few problems with Russian rifle. There were fewer back when they were newly made and the springs were not tired. My experience with this rifle is it’s just fine. It’s accurate and reliable. My experience with the Kar 98 is that every one I’ve shot (except the Israeli cal 7.62 NATO) does not shoot to point of aim. They do however group well, just not where I’m aiming. This presentation is one of your best.
Steve Wall how do you explain why most WW2 Kar98s shoot high (12+”) at 100 yards with 196 gr S&B (closest to WW2 issue ammunition that is noncorrosive) .I have shot dozens of them over the last 40 years. . The wind age is easily corrected but with the rear sight set to 100 meters the elevation is way off. The Japanese Type 99 rifles I have shot are properly regulated and are far more accurate than the KAR 98. Even the Carcano M TS is properly regulated. The Prewar MAS 36 shoots to its sights, So the Czechs ,the Poles and Belgians all made rifles with properly regulated sights, but the Germans seem to have forced their troops to use “Kentucky “ windage.
Thanks Misha- great video as always! I have a 1933 Izhevsk Mosin hex receiver. It has a repaired cracked stock so probably saw some combat. It is a good shooter. Interestingly, on the NatGeo cable channel, there is a series about Alaska called “Life Below Zero,” reality vignettes about various Alaskans who live in the bush. One of the principals is a native Alaskan, Agnes Hailstone, who has killed many caribou with her Mosin and Iron sights. Pretty impressive to use a Mosin and not a more modern hunting rifle! My KAR98K is a sporterized Version owned by my father. At the end of WWII he was part of the occupation troops in Germany. He wanted to hunt chamois in Bavaria so possibly an army gunsmith took a K98, put a short sporterized stock on it and mounted an army B74 scope (Weaver 330) on it. My father did take two chamois with it. Only problem is the 8mm Mauser really kicks with a light stock!
From my viewpoint as someone who has been shooting guns for over 50 years, I would say that both rifles are excellent. The Mauser is faster to reload with its rimless cartridges, but the Mosin will survive any form of abuse.
Mauser is the superior rifle but ammunition availability makes that choice not possible in the US for mass stockpiling. The mosin is overall the more practical choice.
Is there really any reason on paper that the Mosin should be significantly cheaper to manufacture than the Mauser? Its magazine system is actually fairly complicated in comparison to the K98, with an interconnected system of multiple small milled parts and springs. I think both rifle’s ease of manufacturing comes more from how streamlined production had become. With both designs being manufactured since the 1890s. War time production between the two is fairly comparable at 14,000 vs 17,000 for the K98 and M91/30 respectively, if I’m not mistaken.
In times of real war you really don't need or want a fancy rifle with fancy features. All you want is a cheap reliable rifle that can fire a bunch of rounds through it as fast as possible. Weather or not your rifle has a nice trigger, smooth action or nice sights has practically zero effect on the battlefield overall. Weather or not you can make enough rifles and ammunition does matter a lot. Quantity as a quality of it's own.
Kuddlesworth NA exactly... when it’s 25 degrees in the snow or a horrible cold day in the rain, you just want something you can shoot and that you can hit the target... reliability is a must...
@@JoeyP322 Precisely. The Mosin did the job just fine, and the USSR could build 37 million of them cheaply and quickly. Can't say that about the K98. Basically the only combat edge I'd give the K98 is a rimless round. Other than that all of the differences between the two are totally subjective in war and honestly kinda pointless.
@@burmiester1 Mausers are less complex. The Mosin is far to complex for a Bolt action rifle. Mausers are more accurate. Mosins have never been know for accuracy. When is the last time you heard of a country basing their new Sniper rifle off of a Mosin action? Mausers are smoother. Mosins are known for locking up when they get hot. Mausers are rimless as you said. That alone makes it a better firearm. All of these are combat edges that the Mauser has over the Mosin. None of them are pointless.
@@Front-Toward-Enemy The Mosin is also almost ten years older than a 98 model Mauser. You're comparing a far superior rifle from a different period of weapons development to an older and rougher weapon. My whole point is that Mosins aren't to be compared to Mausers, and that despite their flaws they are capable combat weapons.
Mosin over the Mauser. Simple and reliable. In fact in it's final evolution with the M44 it is a nice size, quick handling and with integral bayonet makes it almost perfect in all ways for a battle rifle.
Always enjoy your videos, Professor Misha, and the effort to give a fair perspective for all concerned. I have a 1947 date Izhevsk 91/30 ex-sniper which I dearly love. When did 91/30 production cease in its entirety? I've always heard 44 or 45, but apparently there was still limited production thereafter which theoretically could've continued as long as M44s were being produced. Also...never heard from you re: the PPS 43/52 builds. What's your email?
HAHAHA that cat Just like the one I use to have try to do anything and he was right there in the way as if that was his job LOL Oh I should warn you but you probably already know If you have a cat and you're getting ready to take a step back always without fail even if he is not there pretend he is and get use to sliding your feet back slow when backing up I don't know why they like to stand right behind people when they are doing things and all I know is they do about 75% of the time My brother has the K98 my dad brought back from WW2 and it is a sweet shooter
I would go to combat with the Mauser. I also own a M91/30 but I can make it work in combat too if I was only issued that and no choice like in all armies.
I got a question Misha. I just bought a Norinco sks with a Stamped receiever. It has 2 trunions. Do you know anything about these how rare they are? What year they were made? Import numbers?
Great, now I still don't know which one to get first. I'm torn between the two and can't afford both (now), so I still have none. XD There's also the question of which Mauser/Mosin to get, because there're many models with interesting history behind them.
Get a mosin, If you can only have one, get a Finnish Mosin. 7 of the top 10 snipers used a mosin of some kind, oldest serving cartridge still in use today, plenty of ammo around and very cheap. arguably a better rifle than a Mauser
Good video. My milsurp collection includes a handful of Mosin Nagant various models. I also have some interesting Mausers. I like this "guns head to head" format. Maybe you need to try the Falklands Fal conflict. Just a suggestion. Thanks for the great content.
The Mauser is the hands down winner. You can tell because of how collectors of both act when you tell them your bolt will not open when the rifle gets hot. A Mauser collector will tell you your rifle is broken but a Mosin Collector will tell you that its normal. I wouldn't trust my life to gun that is considered normal for it to require the bolt to be beaten open with a block after 20rds is fired through it. That isn't a sign of a good rifle.
should have specified rifle. And the type 94 isnt as bad as people seem to hype it to be, look at the type 14 nambu for a crap pistol. Or just to shit on russia more a 1895 nagant.
@Random Pickle neither is the type 94. The safety deactivates the sear, making it impossible to fire when on. Thats if it was even carried chambered in the first place. Plus the sear is recessed and hard to hit unless you mean it.
Agreed that it may have been one of the worst rifles of ww2 but it's better then no rifle at all. With the size of the russian army it was just not possible to produce rifles like the k98 in the same numbers. That is the reason why the svt40 didn't become the main rifle: because it took longer to produce. With the mosin, at least everyone got a weapon. Just even look at ww1, when the still used the m91: they couldn't produce enough of them because they were harder to produce and this lead to not everyone having a rifle. Nevertheless, the russians had one of the best armed army at the end: almost every soldier carried a ppsh41 or pps43 wich is better then any bolt action rifle, especially in urban combat like stalingrad
@@nathan655555 i understand in a historical context how it was the rifle russia needed at the time. My problem is the 4chan militia buying these up saying there perfect shtf rifles, just as good as an ar or ak and if you disagree your a snob.
If the Mauser was soooo great they could have issued 1 rifle per 12 soldiers like the Soviets. With 20 rounds of ammo for the whole war. The Mosin is made with magical Bolshevik juju and the tears of poor farm boys from the Ukraine. Thanks for the video as always, always learn something new and cool!!!!
You would've lost every war back then, because you probably would have waited until the "better" machine guns went through R&D and are ready to be issued. Or you wouldn't have waited and they'd have been cumbersome to operate and jam up more than they shoot. Then you'd have run out of resources after equipping not even 10% of your troops with comparably complicated and expensive firearms, which are also more time consuming in production. Not to forget that your soldiers wouldn't have hit a damn thing at 100 yards and more with their "better" fully automatic guns, while enemy troops pick your guys off one by one with those "sucky" bolt actions.
B. Pornchaser The machine gun was the primary death dealer for infantry units by WW2. Most country’s riflemen were little more than ammo carriers for the machine gun, so in a way he is correct.
@@Mavd-mk9iq Seems that way to me. Machine guns are the largest factor in supplying the base of fire that makes fire and movement tactics possible and their ability to defend stationary positions goes without saying. They are capable of locking down entire areas with long controlled bursts in a time period where bolt action riflemen are lucky to pop off what, 20 rounds every minute?
The Mauser has no weakness, the moisin is copied from the mannlicher bolt action syatem and is defenitely junk, produced by unskilled russians. Excuse me for this statement, it is rude but the truth.
Great readout. If you haven't, you may want to read "Sniper On The Eastern Front," the memoirs of Sepp Allerberger, a German sniper. He categorically states the Mosin, both the regular and sniper version were much better than the Mauser. The Mosins would not freeze up, while the Mausers routinely did. He states that he, and most German snipers, would snatch up Mosin snipers, and use them versus their issued Mauser snipers. His preferred ammo was the Mosin's explosive rounds. Interesting read. Thanks for the video.
That’s a good lookin kitty there
I can't believe someone had the audacity to interrupt the video. He had to stop recording n go lay down the law. GET'EM MISHA!!!!
That cat seems pretty used to playing hide and go seek.
I come for the guns but stay for the cats 😝👍
Cats are hilarious, Full Professor Misha, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Excellent video!
I think the real question, the one everybody wants to know, is what is the best kitty at Misha's house? 🤣🤣🤣
Standard load out for both Mosin and Mauser is 60 rounds in stripper clips.
With Mosin it's four pouches with three 5 round clip in each pouch, in Mauser it's six pouches with two 5 round clips in each pouch.
While shooting a Mauser, it begins to noticeably heat up after firing a single 5 round clip. By finishing a second clip it's already hot. By the third clip, gloves are needed to adjust the sight. By 30 rounds fired it's so hot, the front sigh picture is obstructed by the heat rising from the breech and rear sight block. Such rapid heating also dramatically shifts point of impact, which continues to with with every heat up and cool down cycle.
Mosin can be shot until the wood begins to smoke.
Such things are only found out and comprehended by shooters with first hand experience.
Mauser shooters that actually take the rifle through the paces instead of bumping a few rounds to a 50 yard line, know exactly what begins to happen at 2 and 3 hundred yards by 3rd and 4th clip fired.
BigSmartArmed hate to say it and maybe we’ve had differing experience but all 3 of my 98Ks and one K98AZ have never had an issue. I’ve ran competitions specifically centered around WW2 from it being 30 to 100 degrees outside (live in West Texas) and shooting 25 to 300 hundreds yards out and have only malfunctions caused by aged ammunition (mainly Yugo 53). Never have I had my point of aim shift in any of my rifles. Maybe you’ve encountered a few bad apples.
@@Timberwolf1054 The shift is in point of impact, not point of aim, and as will all mass production milsurp, it varies from example to example.
@Steve Wall It's not just K98, it's 8X57 in general. 8X57 casing has a very short, shallow and poorly defined shoulder.
Because the shoulder is so short and poorly defined, when fired pressure stretches the neck into the mouth, and depending on how the chamber is cut, it pushes the neck against case against the transition step.
It adds a lot of high pressure mechanical friction to the chamber.
Your K98 might have a pushed back transition step and long freebore, so it does not heat up as rapidly as other chambers.
In such arrangement, steel casing is worse then brass. Shoulder definition is even less then brass, and while brass gets formed to the chamber, the neck of the steel casing gets stretched into the mouth and then it springs back while the chamber is still under pressure before the ejection even begins.
Massive MG42 barrel gets cooked at 200 rounds fired and it must be swapped out otherwise burn damage to the throat will be catastrophic.
In comparison, slimmer profile barrels of M60/M240/PKM easily burn through 200+ rounds of 7.62X51/7.62X54 ammo without the risk of throat brunout.
Mosin locks up to the point the bolt has to be beaten open with a block of wood.. Mauser still wins. Rather have a wondering zero after 50rnds than to have to carry a block to beat open my bolt after 20rnds.
Fun fact, I have the same exact refrigerator as you have in the video! Wish I had a k98 though , lol love your videos and the wealth of knowledge you share!
The eternal question. It’s probably the M 91 /30. There are very few problems with Russian rifle. There were fewer back when they were newly made and the springs were not tired. My experience with this rifle is it’s just fine. It’s accurate and reliable. My experience with the Kar 98 is that every one I’ve shot (except the Israeli cal 7.62 NATO) does not shoot to point of aim. They do however group well, just not where I’m aiming. This presentation is one of your best.
Most Mosins are also refurbished, the early Mosins that aren't refurbished are fine rifles.
Steve Wall how do you explain why most WW2 Kar98s shoot high (12+”) at 100 yards with 196 gr S&B (closest to WW2 issue ammunition that is noncorrosive) .I have shot dozens of them over the last 40 years. . The wind age is easily corrected but with the rear sight set to 100 meters the elevation is way off. The Japanese Type 99 rifles I have shot are properly regulated and are far more accurate than the KAR 98. Even the Carcano M TS is properly regulated. The Prewar MAS 36 shoots to its sights, So the Czechs ,the Poles and Belgians all made rifles with properly regulated sights, but the Germans seem to have forced their troops to use “Kentucky “ windage.
I prefer a Mauser
Thanks Misha- great video as always! I have a 1933 Izhevsk Mosin hex receiver. It has a repaired cracked stock so probably saw some combat. It is a good shooter. Interestingly, on the NatGeo cable channel, there is a series about Alaska called “Life Below Zero,” reality vignettes about various Alaskans who live in the bush. One of the principals is a native Alaskan, Agnes Hailstone, who has killed many caribou with her Mosin and Iron sights. Pretty impressive to use a Mosin and not a more modern hunting rifle!
My KAR98K is a sporterized Version owned by my father. At the end of WWII he was part of the occupation troops in Germany. He wanted to hunt chamois in Bavaria so possibly an army gunsmith took a K98, put a short sporterized stock on it and mounted an army B74 scope (Weaver 330) on it. My father did take two chamois with it. Only problem is the 8mm Mauser really kicks with a light stock!
From my viewpoint as someone who has been shooting guns for over 50 years, I would say that both rifles are excellent. The Mauser is faster to reload with its rimless cartridges, but the Mosin will survive any form of abuse.
Mauser is the superior rifle but ammunition availability makes that choice not possible in the US for mass stockpiling. The mosin is overall the more practical choice.
Is there really any reason on paper that the Mosin should be significantly cheaper to manufacture than the Mauser? Its magazine system is actually fairly complicated in comparison to the K98, with an interconnected system of multiple small milled parts and springs.
I think both rifle’s ease of manufacturing comes more from how streamlined production had become. With both designs being manufactured since the 1890s. War time production between the two is fairly comparable at 14,000 vs 17,000 for the K98 and M91/30 respectively, if I’m not mistaken.
I love the sounds of this old bolt-action. rifles both thumbs up!!!!
An often forgotten about rifle of the eastern front is the carcano.
I have 1 like the JFK and it's sucks
@@asalt8552 They're not that bad.
I like Carcanos in good conditions
In times of real war you really don't need or want a fancy rifle with fancy features. All you want is a cheap reliable rifle that can fire a bunch of rounds through it as fast as possible. Weather or not your rifle has a nice trigger, smooth action or nice sights has practically zero effect on the battlefield overall. Weather or not you can make enough rifles and ammunition does matter a lot.
Quantity as a quality of it's own.
Kuddlesworth NA exactly... when it’s 25 degrees in the snow or a horrible cold day in the rain, you just want something you can shoot and that you can hit the target... reliability is a must...
@@JoeyP322 Precisely. The Mosin did the job just fine, and the USSR could build 37 million of them cheaply and quickly. Can't say that about the K98. Basically the only combat edge I'd give the K98 is a rimless round. Other than that all of the differences between the two are totally subjective in war and honestly kinda pointless.
@@JoeyP322 Yeah because mausers just aren't reliable.... I hope you can since the sarcasm.
@@burmiester1 Mausers are less complex. The Mosin is far to complex for a Bolt action rifle.
Mausers are more accurate. Mosins have never been know for accuracy. When is the last time you heard of a country basing their new Sniper rifle off of a Mosin action?
Mausers are smoother. Mosins are known for locking up when they get hot.
Mausers are rimless as you said. That alone makes it a better firearm.
All of these are combat edges that the Mauser has over the Mosin. None of them are pointless.
@@Front-Toward-Enemy The Mosin is also almost ten years older than a 98 model Mauser. You're comparing a far superior rifle from a different period of weapons development to an older and rougher weapon. My whole point is that Mosins aren't to be compared to Mausers, and that despite their flaws they are capable combat weapons.
Misha you need to get an account with Full 30 for a backup if TH-cam shuts you down, love your videos.
I've always been struck by the 'melted' look of the Mosin
NOW we know who really rules the roost--and it ain't the rooster! :D
Mosin over the Mauser. Simple and reliable. In fact in it's final evolution with the M44 it is a nice size, quick handling and with integral bayonet makes it almost perfect in all ways for a battle rifle.
Mausers are more simple than Mosins.
Always enjoy your videos, Professor Misha, and the effort to give a fair perspective for all concerned. I have a 1947 date Izhevsk 91/30 ex-sniper which I dearly love. When did 91/30 production cease in its entirety? I've always heard 44 or 45, but apparently there was still limited production thereafter which theoretically could've continued as long as M44s were being produced. Also...never heard from you re: the PPS 43/52 builds. What's your email?
Mauser. And it’s not even close.
HAHAHA that cat
Just like the one I use to have try to do anything and he was right there in the way as if that was his job LOL
Oh I should warn you but you probably already know
If you have a cat and you're getting ready to take a step back always without fail even if he is not there pretend he is and get use to sliding your feet back slow when backing up
I don't know why they like to stand right behind people when they are doing things and all I know is they do about 75% of the time
My brother has the K98 my dad brought back from WW2 and it is a sweet shooter
I would go to combat with the Mauser. I also own a M91/30 but I can make it work in combat too if I was only issued that and no choice like in all armies.
Use what ya got am I right?
I got a question Misha. I just bought a Norinco sks with a Stamped receiever. It has 2 trunions. Do you know anything about these how rare they are? What year they were made? Import numbers?
Mauser's the Buffalo Bills of military rifles.
Can't win a big one.
Is that a war eagle or a waffenamt on the front sight
The Cat always makes me smile
Great, now I still don't know which one to get first. I'm torn between the two and can't afford both (now), so I still have none. XD
There's also the question of which Mauser/Mosin to get, because there're many models with interesting history behind them.
Get a mosin, If you can only have one, get a Finnish Mosin. 7 of the top 10 snipers used a mosin of some kind, oldest serving cartridge still in use today, plenty of ammo around and very cheap. arguably a better rifle than a Mauser
And for the bands, You unfortunately cannot remove them without scratching the wood when taking the mosin apart.... so people just refurbished them.
sure you can just jam a flathead in the bottom of it to open it some.
It's a Mauser! ;)
The M/39
Misha how would you rate the hungarian sa85
Good video. My milsurp collection includes a handful of Mosin Nagant various models. I also have some interesting Mausers. I like this "guns head to head" format. Maybe you need to try the Falklands Fal conflict. Just a suggestion. Thanks for the great content.
Already got you covered. Did a FM FAL vs L1A1 ideo a few weeks ago.
Love the cat
i have a 1925 ex dragoon mosin
The Mauser is the hands down winner. You can tell because of how collectors of both act when you tell them your bolt will not open when the rifle gets hot. A Mauser collector will tell you your rifle is broken but a Mosin Collector will tell you that its normal. I wouldn't trust my life to gun that is considered normal for it to require the bolt to be beaten open with a block after 20rds is fired through it. That isn't a sign of a good rifle.
Mauser had more problems during Russian winter.
like what?
@Average Joe78 It's true. Why Finns did not armed by Mausers?
Dieudonne Apresdnepr used what they had even used carcanos your point?
@@Timberwolf1054 They produced Mosin rifle. Not Carcano.
@@dieudonne2514 Because they standardized on the 7.62x54R. They didn't produce Mosins, only rebuilt them (captured or bought).
mosin may have been worst front line service weapon of the war
lol okay
should have specified rifle. And the type 94 isnt as bad as people seem to hype it to be, look at the type 14 nambu for a crap pistol. Or just to shit on russia more a 1895 nagant.
@Random Pickle neither is the type 94. The safety deactivates the sear, making it impossible to fire when on. Thats if it was even carried chambered in the first place. Plus the sear is recessed and hard to hit unless you mean it.
Agreed that it may have been one of the worst rifles of ww2 but it's better then no rifle at all. With the size of the russian army it was just not possible to produce rifles like the k98 in the same numbers. That is the reason why the svt40 didn't become the main rifle: because it took longer to produce. With the mosin, at least everyone got a weapon. Just even look at ww1, when the still used the m91: they couldn't produce enough of them because they were harder to produce and this lead to not everyone having a rifle. Nevertheless, the russians had one of the best armed army at the end: almost every soldier carried a ppsh41 or pps43 wich is better then any bolt action rifle, especially in urban combat like stalingrad
@@nathan655555 i understand in a historical context how it was the rifle russia needed at the time. My problem is the 4chan militia buying these up saying there perfect shtf rifles, just as good as an ar or ak and if you disagree your a snob.
Too bad these aren’t dirt cheap anymore.
kitty kitty
First!
If the Mauser was soooo great they could have issued 1 rifle per 12 soldiers like the Soviets. With 20 rounds of ammo for the whole war. The Mosin is made with magical Bolshevik juju and the tears of poor farm boys from the Ukraine. Thanks for the video as always, always learn something new and cool!!!!
Literally none of what you said makes any sense. it's one heck of a mess you got in your head...
Meow meow 🐈
We can all agree that both suck and that machine guns are the best.
You don't want to snipe with a machine gun.
You would've lost every war back then, because you probably would have waited until the "better" machine guns went through R&D and are ready to be issued. Or you wouldn't have waited and they'd have been cumbersome to operate and jam up more than they shoot.
Then you'd have run out of resources after equipping not even 10% of your troops with comparably complicated and expensive firearms, which are also more time consuming in production.
Not to forget that your soldiers wouldn't have hit a damn thing at 100 yards and more with their "better" fully automatic guns, while enemy troops pick your guys off one by one with those "sucky" bolt actions.
B. Pornchaser The machine gun was the primary death dealer for infantry units by WW2. Most country’s riflemen were little more than ammo carriers for the machine gun, so in a way he is correct.
@@simplymadness8849 nope
@@Mavd-mk9iq Seems that way to me. Machine guns are the largest factor in supplying the base of fire that makes fire and movement tactics possible and their ability to defend stationary positions goes without saying. They are capable of locking down entire areas with long controlled bursts in a time period where bolt action riflemen are lucky to pop off what, 20 rounds every minute?
The Mauser has no weakness, the moisin is copied from the mannlicher bolt action syatem and is defenitely junk, produced by unskilled russians.
Excuse me for this statement, it is rude but the truth.
hahahaha