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- Today we are talking about the MPC X Se (special Edition) Does it Really Sound Bad?
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MPC X SE (Special Edition) Does It Really Sound BAD ?
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It sounds very clean( as it should).
Nothing wrong with the X except very few people know how to manipulate sound and therefore fall short once it is not from a pack. The top producers from those eras were sound manipulators as much as they were musicians and producers. Timbo Dre Jermaine Dupre RZA Kanye...sound manipulators who both knew how or could explain how they wanted things to sound amd feel. There are a few low budget answers to all of this...either learn how or buy it and learn how to...
For Me
Akai MPC3000/MPC X Roland MV8000 Ensoniq ASR10 Open Labs Neko.
All sound manipulation tools.
Sounds great if you know what you are doing.
MPC60, 3000, 2000- needed separate mixer, compressor, recording medium
MPC4000- studio in a box
MPC X - ALL of the above.
My X sounds like a 60 or a 3000 when I want it to. A 3000 or a 60 or a 2000 could NEVER sound as good or complete as an X.
You're not wrong, but you're not entirely right either. Yes, newer MPC's are 'cleaner' and sound different. Facts. Everyone wants that older sound, but that's not the whole story. People make it seem like if Akai just put in better converters and electronics that's all they'll need which isn't the whole truth. Everybody back in the day still ran their 3000's using individual outs into a console and outboard gear. The MPC itself was just one part of the equation. Things still got mixed and processed by all kinds of other gear. Exactly nobody was running their MPC out as a stereo pair and had a hit record, yet that's what everyone now is making it seem like. "If we only had that old sound..." like that's all there is to it. You have to remember that in 1996, everyone still wanted the next big thing and the 3000 wasn't the end all be all that people think it is now. If you took a MPC X SE back to the 90's, I promise you that everyone would have thrown their 3000 off a bridge for one thinking it was magical. It's too easy to look back now and think you're missing some elusive thing. If you only think like that you're always going to be chasing something you can't reach. All gear needs mixing, processing and most importantly good ideas and talent. Your music is the same, MPC 3000 or not and the gear isn't what's holding you back.
Every since this whole mess started I think this is the realest shit I’ve heard anybody say. Salute.
Everything you said was 💯 on point!! People thinking the beat on the 3000 went straight to the CD😅. They're not telling the entire process. It's a reason albums back in the 80s & 90s took months to almost a year to make.....THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE SOUND RIGHT DURING THE MIXING PHASE!! If it was that easy, Dr. Dre would've just put Snoop's vocals on top of the 2 track mixdown, since the MPC3000 sounded so good right....WRONG!!! Dr. Dre still had to mix each individual sound once he exported the tracks out of the MPC3000 to the SSL board. I'll take the MPC X SE over every MPC or Native Instruments Maschine that came out
Facts. People act like all Rap songs have been made on the MPC only. It’s all about mixing, mastering and sound selection.
@sl1200mk2...Absolutely correct in every respect!
The Akai Professional company doesn't exist anymore. They went outof business in 2005. Numark aka InMusic is the name of the company that builds the MPC and just slaps the Akai brand name on it that shares nothing in common with the real Japanese Akai company that Roger Linn worked for in the 80s and 90s. Akai and Alesis are more of the same product's all built by the same American manufacturer.
As a Maschine user I'm cool watching this from the stands. I don't even have outputs to complain about.
Still trying to understand why this still matter if it not exactly the same as the 3000. If you want the same sound as the 3000 than find a 3000. If you can’t make good music with the X then having the 3000 not going to help you either.
This goes to show you, you can’t please everybody. Akai almost made a perfect piece of equipment, and still people complaining when they should just make music
You can make these new machines as dirty/punchy as you want. The different is so minor! Sound selection is a massive part in this. Half you guys wouldn’t even notice the sound difference in a blind test. I would choose the new MPC’s every time over the old machines. Don’t fall for that Black Lion steeez either! 5% difference at the most. Peace and love and keep creating
Facts, and that small screen was crap
New MPCs are junk full of planned obsolescence. Old MPCs were built to last that used higher quality parts. There's a massive difference in quality. It's like comparing McDonald's mass produced quality to the real Japanese Akai built MPCs of the 90s.
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@@eman0828those old machines did not stand up to goon hands and the new ones wont either. There is a reason old heads still have their gear and it was because they treated the gear well.
While we're out here complaining about the sound of a device, the producers who are succeeding are focused on beefing up their sound.
Even with the sound being as transparent as it is on the newer MPCs, everything still gets mixed to taste, using outboard gear to color the sound, and so on and so forth. SSL desks and tape machines still impart their own sound to the two-track mixdown, making it something different from what we'd expect. EQ'ing and compressing will still be done outboard. Inserts and returns will still be used. Certain elements of the mix will still be replaced by better/more appropriate sounds.
If Black Lion Audio can provide a mod to give users that 'sound' they expect, then any old user who is handy with a soldering gun, a steady hand, and the money to get the right parts can get it done, I'd say.
I, too, found the X SE release to be anticlimactic, but I get it from a business standpoint. Especially when none of the competition is anywhere near threatening my bottom line. It's important to realize that the audio industry has always tended towards cleaner and more transparent sources over the years, and the current breed of interfaces are proof of that. And the tools that are known and appreciated for the special character they lend to sounds tend to be more specialized, and thus more expensive.
Creativity remains the name of the game, and should be used to get the sound you want, even out of a sonically transparent device like an unmodded MPC X.
Now this guy got it
Wow ….. thats it! Thats all E A Ski was trying to convey! You hit the hammer 🔨 on the nail!!! Very good video explanation! 👊🏾
The MPC X sounds okay. But the 3000 and the 60 didn't sound just okay, they sounded amazing. Even the 4000 has a cool sound to it. That was the first MPC I owned, I can remember listening to what I was making through the head phone jack and I couldn't even believe how good it sounded or that I was making something that sounded like that. I never had that experience on any of the modern machines or even on the 2500 or 1000. It seems like the 4000 was the last machine they made which had a great sound right out of the box and that came out straight up 20 years ago. The machines they make now don't sound bad and have amazing features, but to make them sound great, you either have to be a wizard with plugins or run them through high end analog gear which will add saturation and character.
Akai is trying to satisfy different markets with one product. That's the problem. There's a high end professional market for their machines which wants better sonics and is willing to pay for it, and then there's the masses that need a machine to come in below a certain price point. Akai tries to satisfy both with one product and the result is that nobody is happy. The mass consumer/prosumer complains about the price and the high end professional market complains about the sound quality. They need to make high end machines for professionals with a hefty price tag and then make cheaper versions of those machines with lower quality components for the rest of us. As others have pointed out, the 3000 cost over 12 grand in 2023 dollars when it came out in the 90s. There is clearly a high end market, which is how the SP1200 and 3000 can command insane prices now.
Other companies deal with this same problem usually by buying another company and using it to market cheaper products while retaining the prestige of their high end brand. For instance, Gibson guitars has Epiphone, Fender has Squire. In pro audio, API has done this for years. They used to own Langevin, which was much cheaper, if I remember right, and then it was JDK/Arsenal Audio. Same idea.
You ever owned those? You would know they needed and had alot of help!
It’s the same as the mpc x lol. I think that that sound has more clarity than the old mpc. We’re in a different age, different era!!!! We not making back in the day music any more!!!! This is something new.
I came from analog. I used a tascam TSR-8 and it was top notch analog sound quality and warmth. Crazy as it may seem, I never liked the fact that what I put into it wasn’t coming out the same. I longed for transparency. I was shocked when I realized that I stood alone.
u r not Alone!
Sound does matter but tracks that sound good beats sonic quality. Emphasis on sound sometimes over shadow quality of songs. But that’s just me. I listen to music and if the song is not performed and written with taste, no quality and character, how does that matter? Just food for thought.
Bro if you’re gonna jack footage from other creators’ videos (including tons of my b-roll), at least put the source/channel on the screen.
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Wait, by broll, do you mean those filler shots of the mpc itself are yours?
"Ngas want my old sh!t, buy my old albums"
It’s about the creative behind the tools. The late JDilla had limitations with his mpc. He crafted his own vibe and approach.
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The whole vintage console and sampler emulation thing is like watching people trying to guess what a dinosaur looked like from a few pieces of a skeleton they found in the dirt, except without the excuse that there are no living examples available to study. The lazy so-called emulations that so many manufacturers are churning out for a quick profit are like bad parodies of a past that never really existed.
Also, I appreciate videos such as these. Men and women are taking the time to give you their anaylsis and views. Yet, watching tons of videos will not make you a better musician or producer. Only hours, dedication, and focus will. Peace and blessings to all.
Exactly and remember it's often not the best that get seen and known it's the ones who are the best at getting seen.
Keep being unbiased and true bro. Your channel is going to blow up. Salute.
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Interesting video ---- I like the sound. In fact my MPC X SE is scheduled to be delivered in two days ---- I am looking forward to it.
Its all about the brain behind the machine to make it sound the way he/she wants it to. The newer technology has increased flexibility which grows creativity for sure. I am an avid 2000xl user and will keep using it even when a newer MPC is purchased some day.
I think that the new mpcx does not sound warm
If you want it to sound like the old ones just make some samples at 12bit then add a nice filter.
If it still doesn’t sound good it’s you not the machine.
There’s plenty of ways to dirty up your sound.
In my opinion the old stuff sounds good cos the machine where more limited. And those guys where pushing their mpcs to the limits. It forced you to get creative. Limited storage and slower workflow meant you really thought about what you were doing.
The mpc x has got so many features it’s almost overwhelming.
Also the beats we hear from back in the day were off of records and had been through the whole pro production and mastering chain.
At the end of the day a workman shouldn’t blame his tools.
It’s a bit like buying a guitar then returning it to the shop because it’s doesn’t make sounds like Jimi Hendrix 😂
Still it’s an intesting topic.
I do doubt the modern touchscreens mpcs will be going for 3x their original sale price in 30 years.
Tings are built disposable these days.
But it doesn’t stop me wanting the mpc X se 😂
Question do you own any of these units? Just go my SE yesterday and I am enjoying it sounds excellent too. Will I compare it to the older units no because I never owned any of the older units.
i did a comparison with the mpc x , mpc 4000 and mpc 3000, to me it sounds like the mpc x in mpc standalone mode missing the full sound like mids missing or something. just don't have that full sound..you have to get what can out of it with plugins in controller mode
akai knows what they are doing. you either like it or you dont. personally i never was a type to hold on to old gear for sake of it. i love clean and clear as possible.
Great video! As a complete novice what equipment would you recommend to enhance my sound quality? I have MPC live 2, the OG X and the Keys 61
Avalon 737 or 747. A few SSL, Maag, or Neve 500 Series pieces.
@@thadirtyabbott33 😳 I just look on Google and the Avalon 737 is averaging £2500 the cheapest maag is £520 and the neve 500 is averaging £500.
Surely theres cheaper options like a good mixer etc🤷🏾♂️
@@R.G.777.Yes sir analog mixers warm sound.
@@jasontaylor404 Thanks, I've since purchased a Mackie analog mixer on eBay for about £200. Need to hook it up though
Which mpcs you own?
THANK YOU!!!! Bruh ain’t never spoke about MPC!! My guy wave riden.. that’s coo but all the shit you can say about an MPC and you talking sound??? It still sounds better than Maschine and I’ve owned multiple
@@marclemar facts man. The TH-cam space is very interesting rn.
@@STEADYB5150 that’s legit. I’ve owned the 1000, 2500, 2000xl, 5000, ren, key 61, live 1 and 2 and touch and just got a x so I can feel that!!!
Started on an MPC 2000xl, multiple DAW based and a few breaks from music.. then to Maschine Studio, then Maschine mkiii. Currently: Maschine +, MPC Live II, MPC XSE
@@marclemar you get it!! I messed with og maschine and studio too!
in my openion i think that the new mpc's sampling engine need's a over hall with global gain staging for pad source sounds or have it set where there's a option where you can increase the volume if needed, because every sample you put in is to hot or loud you can't even master unless you turn it down , but the sounds that comes with the newer mpc's are already mastered that's why no gain staging is needed. and need better preamps converters
@Guy-Francis Kono. I agree with him completely. Ido not comment much if at all. But when it comes to the MPC, I have the Live II. Incredible machine and not even concerned one bit with the sound of the converters. It all depends on sample sources via vinyl (preferred) and/or quality .wav and aiff files. We are in 2023, the MPC 3000, 60, etc. all came out using the technology available at the time. Do people comment on John Coltrane's saxophone type or Hendrix's electric guitar? Not really if at all. The average listener could care less. Is the arrangement solid, and layers logical?
As a professional producer and musician, I am more concerned with the arrangement, instrumentation, and vinyl than the converters.
Great Point:))
23 years ago no one cared or was talking about if Roger Linns name was on the box or which sampler sounded phatter. People wanted to get the most high quality sound they could because they were already sampling from an analog source aka ripping samples
Off vinyl records. You wanted something that could make that sound super clean. At the time the 3000 was considered overpriced just like you all talk about the mpc x se now. The mpc 60 was considered an outdated relic nobody wanted that. It was like a rotary phone. The MpC2000xl was king because it had the tilt screen and smooth workflow. That’s what dudes brought and built the Mpc legacy off of. Not the 3000. Not many people wasted money on those except for those in the industry. The average dude got the mpc 2000 or xl and blew up the game with that. Just ask young Kanye west.
This whole debate is built off pure ignorance. Comparing a MPC X to a 3000 and saying they don’t sound the same is like comparing a 1968 Mustang Fastback to a 2024 Mustang GT and saying the 68’ was built better. Even though you probably wouldn’t walk away if you crashed it because one has 50 years + of safety innovation.
The mpc x is 20+ years of sound innovation the features of the 60 and 3000 are minuscule compared to it. Arguing over sound output is about your technique more than anything.
There is a whole vst library in the mpc x to utilize to make your sample sound however you want it too. Nobody is talking about how to make you Mpc samples sound like this on that (and we will ignore the vintage mode feature that instantly gives you the classic sound).
People don’t want to put in work anymore. They’re lazy as ever and they want the box to AI all the work for them. Yes the old boxes sounded better in production because guys had to clean the samples and they signal chained them through external compressors and amps into whatever recording format they were using in the studio. None of those sounds you hear on old songs are straight up just the mpc alone.
Really this was all just a pointless and stupid argument made ignorantly by EA Ski who isn’t even a well know. Producer like that and isn’t even affiliated with the mpc history like say a Pete Rock or somebody.
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bro honestly i appreciate the video i feel as though you should work on your sound selection more or use better sounds becuase were making great beats on mpc but never use those trash stock sounds lol! i bet if you take your favorite sounds snd vsts from what daw you use and put in mpc youll love it bro
Is that an original Fantom X on your desk?
Fantom X6, the original Fantom (FA-76) sits behind me.
anyone has a high quality recording test with the same sample and volume to compare the sound of MPC X SE vs the MPC X?
Which MPC do you use?
Well, if the MPC One Plus is an indication of the MPC X Se, it must be a killer workstation. I gave my son my new MPC ONE plus to get him going. Now, I'm wanting to dig in deeper in MPC world. I also think in a mix, not sure these points about clean, dirty etc. Most of us are into as a hobby. For my money, I want ease of use, bang for buck, and as much hands on controls are possible. I have Maschine, but it's still DAW. This all a game though. IT's about what keeps you creative. You go beyond that, you best be making money off your craft! I'd have to think 95% of those looking around youtube for gear review and ideas are not pro's. We just enjoy the heck out of music and love playing with our toys.
You can compress and degrade the master if you want when you have a clean recording. This is the same argument the SP heads had with the 303 being a holy grail device. Now we all use the 404 MKII with the 303 compressor effect.
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The last true mpc was the 3000
The MPC x/ LIVE / SE. actually sound better than the MPC 3000/ 60. It does not color the sound. The output level of the X clean and powerful. The Argument is silly comparing a piece of gear from 1989 - 95 to a unit built in 2020. I never want to use a clunky Zip drive again . Load Floppys? yeah right. Can you have entire vocal stems with amazing effects and great sounding plug in on an MPC 2000xl ? NO. The sequencer is AKAI code. The swing feel is owned by Akai. Try 58 % swing on any other brands machine Doesn't Ever feel like an MPC. The Modern day MPCs. Have not changed in the sequencing department. Akai was smart using the CPU of the first X which is actually a UNIX computer. You can use your MPC X or Live as a pro tools interface. Saving money on not having to buy an expensive I/O
Just go on Craigslist and buy a used MPC 60 for 2500 ! or more. and have fun with 23 seconds of sample time
imho the X and SE sound very good. I even use it as my main interface sometimes having an apollo. People just need to stop thinking of MPCs as 90s hip hop machines. We are 30 years in the future from that era and sound needs to be as transparent as possible. You want that old sound? Just roll of highs or use some tape emulator lol
As a person who have owned both mpc and maschine. This is a clear clue to native instruments don't make this mistake
Got rid of my MPC a while ago. The sound is too thin for me. Rather make beats in FL Studio or Digitakt.
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Lol FL Studio sound is just as thin bro
@@JEFFMAN90 how you gonna tell me my experience dude? Yall ppl who reply to comments need to get a LIFE
It's not the drum... it's how you beat it.
😎 Hopefully it's a quality drum
We need to stand together and demand a better mpc with better converters
But the converters in the MPC's are best in class?
Akai needs to add a vintage plugin that adds the voicing found on the older units, the originals had a slight roll off at 50hz, decimation (lower bit depth) and a limiter with 3db of compensated gain reduction.
@@davidcache I totally agree
It starts with us not buying the new stuff just because its new, or looks cool! When we stop buying the look good gear they will have to stop trying to sale us expensive gear without the sonics to come with it!! 👍🏾
That’s what’s wrong with music today… it’s those damn MPCs 😂😂😂😂😂 WTF YALL SOUND STUPID AF!!! Don’t buy it or buy it! Yo beat either fire 🔥 or they not!!! The differences of the converters only matters after you’re good at your craft and at which point there are plenty of ways to get what quality sound needed for the job… it starts with sound selection not fucking converters😂😂😂
Unfortunately it will never happen because Akai Professional went out if business in 2005. The company no longer exist today. What you are buying aren't real Akai poducts. What you are buying is Numark/InMusic products with the Akai brand name stamped on it hat shares nothing in common with the real Japanese Akai of the 90s that Roger Linn worked for.
The way I look at modern production hardware and software is like this.....
The stuff you make beats on are the tools...
And the stuff that make beats sound a certain way are the sauce...
Back in the those days beat production equipment (tools) had a particular sound (sauce)
But these days, beat making equipment (tools) come with all kinds of included plugins (sauce) that can be used to make beats according to a producer's liking.
Today's beat production workflow is so free and fluid.
I evny modern producers because they don't have to go through past struggles. A good majority of past production impedements have been eliminated.
Gone are the troubling days of pricy gear, loop synchronizing, crate digging, song tracking and mixing. Everything can conveniently be done in someone's living room.
So the argument of equipment not sounding like past tool is pointless because it is tainted by nostalgia.
Overall, the point of making new tools is to allow consumers to experience new sensations and draw new inspiration. If new stuff is same as the old, then why bother making it?
At the end of the day, it boils down to one thing......Creativity.
if you don't have creativity, no amount of tools or sauce will help you build anything.
Use what you got to make what you want.
I just subscribed
This dude has a mpc video and doesn’t have one 🤣🤦♂️
Dude is goin with the bs nonsense. Saying the MPC X SE doesn't sound like the vintage MPCs, but doesn't have a MPC X SE😅. The MPC3000 came out in 1993, 30 years ago. It had hundreds of drum machines & Samplers that came out since and nobody complained that it didn't sound like a MPC3000. But all of sudden, now everybody wants to complain that the MPC X SE doesn't sound like the MPC3000😅. Mane yall some comedians. Whatever MPC you use, MPC3000 or the MPC X SE, you still have to export it to your DAW to get mixed, then sent somewhere to get mastered, then sent to Spotify or Apple Music. If yall don't have or had a MPC3000 and you don't have a MPC X SE, what the hell are you complaining about😅. You going off what somebody else said and didn't try it out for yourself. That's like someone told you a movie wasn't good & u take his word, but eventually, u see the movie & you liked it. Yall dudes are funny
@Def Creator used to be king. Everybody who has one has to use a dust blower every few months to get the dust off it because it's been sitting in their closet too long. All the OGs have a 3000, and they're not using it. Warren G, Jermaine Dupri, Scott Storch, Rodney Jerkins, Timbaland, I can keep going. All of them use Akai's latest products. The MPC X, MPC Key 61 and the MPC X SE. The old king MPC 3000 has been dethroned
@@DaMixWizardtimberland uses Ableton and Logic and his beats still knock lol
@The Profile Lost yep, I remember watching a Timbaland tutorial and he was using Abelton Live and Abelton Push 2
@@theprofilelost without the knowledge of the OG machines and workflow/attitude you might (like most) struggle to get the ‘sound’…..plus he will often be using material that came off the OG machines inside Ableton ect.Ableton and other daws are totally transparent-no vibe.And the plug ins are also very digital.
I have an MPC Live 2 and a Maschine+. I have a Motif XF8 and Korg Kronos 2 88 keyboards. I have software up the wazoo, my orchestral libraries ran me over $5000 and the current reverb engine I use runs at $2000. Turth be told, what I have cost me alot of money, but nowhere near what some people have spent, but it satisfies me. I dont chase the latest gadgets and latest software, I use what works for me. Part of the problem is, gadget and software lust. People see the latest and greatest and think they need that new thing to make them sound good. If you think an MPC 3000 sounded good as a standalone unit, you are nuts. People used outboard processing. Now, outboard processing has shifted to software based plugins. Youd be hard pressed to find something you want to do and not be able to find a plugin that does it. Want to simulate tube amps? There is a plethora of plugins for that.
My biggest issue? People don't know what they have. I for one am grateful for everything we have today. My ability to be creative is at my fingertips. I have a full orchestra in my computer, at the fraction of the cost and space of a real orchestra. The MPC X SE Im sure sounds fine. If you utilize the plugins builtin to the unit to make the unit sound like an MPC 3000, Im sure its close enough.
Just imagine if you spent as much time creating musical content as you did making this video. Less complaining, stop chasing, more creating. If the SE doesnt work for you, sell it. Everything in this video? A bunch of words. Just because it has a tube in it doesn't make it better. Just because it has a needle that drags across wax doesn't make it better. Just because it has analog qualities does not make it better. Sample depth, ridiculous. Anything beyond 24 bit is ridiculous, and 16 bit is sufficient for most people.
Id bet you all the money in my bank account, if I sampled a record into an MPC Live vs the MPC X SE, you would not hear a difference. If I ran that same record thru identical processing on both units, you would not hear the difference. If I compared between the 3000 and X SE, the difference would be minimal, barely noticeable, certainly not enough to justify a video praising old Akai technology. Seriously, the MPC Live / One / X line is amazing, bringing music production to the masses, allowing more people to be creative musically, and that in my opinion, is a good thing.
Oh by the way, buzz words like "crunchy" followed up with what I put in is what I want to get out? This double speak is what makes people loose all credibility. "Crunchy" means distortion and degradation of the original audio. You can't have both the original audio and then make it sound more crunchy than the original audio, without modifying the characteristics of the original audio.
The sound of the mpc x doesn’t sound bad at all of course it doesn’t sound like other MPC because it’s not I remember at one time people was complaining about the mpc60 MPC 3000didn’t sound clean enough
The MPC X sounds phenomenal. It sounds like the exact sounds you put in it.
I am sorry to say that is not the case, after 2 years of trying to make the X work, it is not worth the time, it is just best to use it in controller mode with your professional grade audio interface, the audio architecture is nothing but soundblaster quality for TV. It seems that with every firmware the sound changes, because they optimizing for their plugins. There is an issue with the new akai's, if there wasn't, people would not be complaining in droves. It is a shame, its nearly 2024 and we dont have pro grade audio workstations like we had decades ago.
@@dubmaverick69I imagine you might have power source issues making your MPC not sound good because mine sounds great and I powered it through off-the-grid equipment using a pure sine wave inverter. I know city power can be like city water not clean enough for drinking.
This has nothing to do with power, take your favorite song play, copy it via SD card into Akai MPC and then put another copy into your DAW with your favourite audio interface, keep going back and forth you will hear the bottom end artifacts and air that the MPC adds, this is a neutral test, the Akai mpc is adding too much to the sound, this is the point of that comment, leave power out of it, one step at a time. @@crazzylee
@@dubmaverick69I was actually just teasing you a bit. 😂 yeah man really it's “studio engineering” is what it boils down to. The MPC has a great sound at an affordable cost. Personally, I would suggest don't use it if you can't figure out how to enjoy it. Besides I've heard plenty of sound comparisons and they all end up proving my point.
I am sorry, has nothing to do with studio engineering, if you run a regular sine wave through all the frequencies, the mpc is adding to it and accentuating those frequencies, I don't know what you mean dont use it if you cant enjoy, its $2500 for which Black Lion is offering $800 Mod, exactly why ? That means people know its shit converters, this is suppose to be a professional grade piece of gear, its nothing but glorified Midi sequencer and if you have used all gear, you can tell the difference, yes the videos proof that sound quality on the Akai sucks, but big ups to them to doing a great job on work flow. They selling plastic and plugins, and that is how they should adverrtise. @@crazzylee
Pristine Unprocessed non-compressed un-eq'd 24bit 96kHz samples, then let us make whatever tone phat our way in the mixy boooyeee
Lo-Fi ( low fidelity samples ) it’s not just noise . You can get similar results with compression eq and filters. Older mpc had compression on the inputs before going into the sampler. And further more some of y’all don’t even sample y’all buying packs and downloading waves and sample packs. Sample from the actual analog source through the inputs the old way.
Overkill Bro! But amall nuances matter to some people. I get it.
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Who said they sound bad???
The sound means a lot
The short answer to your video title question? ... no. Okay, have a nice day.
The Akai customers has spoken , and there is no way that Akai can come out with any new MPC at this point, with-out satisfing that sound and sonic issue , that their customers are no longer willing to ignore.
There is no sonic issue. Respect to EA SKI but he knows better. Trying to compare a 3000 to an X is silly. You want the X to sound like an mp3k then just sample an mp3k or use the library from an mp3k. Same for a 60. The mp3k is incapable of sounding like an X though. Completely incapable like a 60 is incapable of sounding like an mp3k. That is how it works be it MPCs or Akai S or Zs.
Don’t nobody care about a name on a mp. Besides, who doesn’t process the track after it’s put into a mixing and recording daw. Whether I use an old 3000 or 60 , which I’ve used for years, or a 2000 also which I’ve used for decades, I’m still going to body what ever i do. I’m just not sitting around and doing manual chops that old way. Those older machines take way too long to get it going. Then saving on discs was a chop. Saving one best across 6 discs is a dub. And they never sounded better to me.
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i export all my sounds out of the mpc so. i really dont care about how it doesnt sound like a 3000 or 60. off rip i'd trade the 3000 for a x se.
Hey, some choose workflow over sound quality
@@FizzENT there’s now way you’d be to tell what machine a beat was made on.
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The MPCX SE sounds great. Transparency is what’s best for digital technology. If people want something else. The MPC gives all kinds of options to shape their sound.
Why buy the mpcx se if it is not offering anything unique as far as the sound characteristics out the box?
@@FizzENT exactly! I mean it's a complete waste of money. You are better off using NI Machine or any other drum pad controller with your preferred DAW. It literally does the same thing but way more flexible and powerful than any standalone hardware made today. I mean it's the same principals you can route the signal from your DAW of the line outs of your audio interface and run the signal into the inout of your analog outboard gear and record the audio back into your DAW eliminating the need of standalone hardware. An MPC is really just a computer in a box with an audio interface. So depending on the quality of your audio interface esp if it one with really good converters such as Apogee, MOTU, UA Apollo, Lynx Aurora, those converters are going to sound significantly way better than the ones in the modern MPCs that uses prosumer weak converters. I went from a lower end budget Scarlett 18i20 to a higher end MOTU 828es AVB interface and the converters is night and day. It seems like my drums knock harder that has that extra punch to them give that it shares the same ESS Sabre DAC converters that's in the Apogee. I threw my MPC5000 in the trash back in January. It was disaster that had a lot of issues. The power supplies one those are notorious for going bad. It's that Numark built junk. Never again. I have been using my Presonus Atom drum pad controller for three years now after my MPC sat broke for 3 years and finally gotten rid of recently. I still get to keep the MPC pad feel and near zero latency using Studio One and my Atom controller.
I definitely don't want a clean sound. I decrease bit rate, add saturation and export in 16 bit on everything.
I also have that MP Tube connected to my behringer mixer for my mic. It makes my vocals sound too crispy and up front.
What are you talkn bout? Bro you’re using maschine which is worse if you think about it. You don’t even have an MPC. Tell me you’re broke without telling me you’re broke.
I hear the argument about the MPC X sound but I also here that DAWs are no different and Analog is always better but I disagree. The reason why alot of successful producers use gear is because they want to stand out from the stereotype home producers who have increased in number by hundreds of thousands over the space of 20 years. Having gear is a way to stand out and claim higher status than the home DAW producer, that's it and alot of it is totally BS.
Nah i like my mpc x se better than all my mpc's, i had damn near all of them mpc1000, 3000, 4000.& 5000, they all sound old school & look old school, The mpc x se is the new sound & better look, get used to it, the new school is taking over it is what it is, im 49 years old i been around, but i like the new school sound, get out of the time warp stuck in time this is not 1993 this is 2023.
All I have to say is…..Black Lion upgrade…MPC X
Back in the day when using an emax 1 Akai s 900 mpc 60 and 3000 we we’re trying to clean samples up now they want them dirty. It’s just like kids with a good life trying to be hood or gangster.. humanity is confused… the mpc x is neutral make it sound how you want it to sound. First of all your samples chops are to precise…. Talking about not sounding good but relying on algorithms to sample and chop for you😂
Bro you told a consumer looking for a STANDALONE unit to go buy a BUNCH OF DAWS WITH CONTROLLERS!!!!! MPC users don’t WANT THAT! You just spreading false info
New mpc sound better than any daw. (Raw sound) . People just want just the Real sound of the Mp. Its not mean New one sound Bad.
He never said go buy anything. He simply stated there are other options. He never said you HAD to buy anything.
@@jeremythompson6822 NO SHIT! However, there are no other options in the MPC stand-alone space!!! The option is go use a DAW! Which isn’t what someone looking at an MPC would want. Fizz is absolutely out of context and it’s because he’s content chasing. Do the newer MPC sound as good as the MPC 60 or 3000 no. Do they sound bad? Hell No! Do the newer MPCs sound better than machine , FL studio, abelton, beat apps from iPad, and all of the current generation beat making applications? absolutely! all fizz did was put together a bunch of content that is out of context to hate on Akai when he doesn’t use a Akai has never talked about Akai has shown no experience with a using Akai MPC on his channel. It’s completely irresponsible! WAVE Riding ! I lost a small amount of respect for the channel to be honest, but he still does good work when he sticks to what he actually knows (not MPCs)
It's not the same and they trying to rip Roger off.
Fizz, this is DUTCH! Simply put, new electronics wil never work like the older prototypes. Older internal components are usually larger, run 🔥 hotter Temps, and less efficient, but BUMP!!! They become obsolete, when new integrated technologies approach. Also, Don't forget drivers are converted from RMS to PEAK to PEAK power! That makes a huge difference! But, there is still a way to pump that signal by small additions and re- routing. 😊
Truth be told .I am with you all the way .
Well....this ain't a 12bit Machine.
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new mpc's are fire and killing old mpc sounds! its crazy how one person can manipulate everyone into wanting converters lol the new converters are way more advanced then the old machines. Like com on! who finishes a beat inside of a mpc, u still have to go to a daw and whatever other hardware your using. Sound starts with your vsts and drum kits which all are mostly processed already, this is a big joke! New mpc's sound amazing and very clean to todays standards. its billboard charting hits from fruity loop beat makers. Lets put this bs to a end today!
The output level is noT A +16 DB DEVICE! It’s not about the clarity! My sound card should not have a higher output level than an MPC but wait, the new gear is just a computer and not an instrument itself. It can generate sound but that does not make it a instrument just like a MACBOOK is not an instrument but can produce sound. That’s just my take on it.
@@Charles13X YES CORRECT BUT, the new gear is 90% computer, which I like a lot, and 10% sound output just like my Laptop. But that's were the blessings come in! Now with the new gear you are able to pair up just about any interface! Neumann mt48, SSL BIG SiX, Motu M4, ETC The world is ours! It's a blessing this thing didn't come with top sound from the outputs but being able to add to it and tune it like a Honda Civic! This is the way
@@maximustheproducer exactly, this is more of a device to compete with laptops with fl studio or ableton. the disconnect is that the new products are marketed to the newbie hobby-ist bedroom producer, while ignoring the older veteran users' complaints. basically a cash grab.
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@@bbqfetus-the_don_grilluminati I'm an older producer and I would do the same if I was AKAI especially when you have shareholders. Just a different time we are living in.
@@Bibblebabbler What does this even mean? Some of yawl have some weird responses. Weird
The new mpc's sound like utter dog shite, right down to the vst presets. Completely uninspiring. Damn near every preset has a clippy, percussive transient that just kills what could be a decent patch. You can't compress it and you can't adjust the attack to make it usable hardly. The only thing you can really do is resample and trim the transients. It's entirely overpriced for what it is. One would be better off getting their hands on the old E-Mu banks, converting those files, learning a little modulation and start experimenting with fx chains, in the process saving about grand after investing in an SSL Six or 500 series rack.
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Does the X sound bad!?
No, it doesn't.
Get you an MPC and then make a legit video. Your opinion on this topic is null and void.
Brother, have you used an MPC before? Nothing on the market can duplicate the MPCs workflow....not Maschine...and definitely not any of the software apps you named. This is why MPCs are still the premiere product of its kind regardless of what generation you choose to use.
You dudes have all the gear...and supposed MPC knowledge...but seem to be unaware that Akai now lets you add your own converters of choice via the MPCs class compliant USB features where you can add a Neve, Apogee, SSL, and Universal Audio interface with a single cable. This is exactly the same thing users of Pro Tools, Logic, Live, etc are doing. These apps don't have a 'sound.' They sound as good as the AD/DA converters you are using. Again...the latest MPCs work in the same way but also have that untouchable workflow.
Get your hands on an MPC if you don't already own one...connect a Neve interface to it....sample into the MPC using these Neve preamps / AD converters...and monitor through the Neve's DA converters. C'mon....stop playing. An MPC X with a Neve front end costs less than an MPC 3000 (past or present).
all good points. The whole not being able to bounce all my stems separately killed it for me. makes no sense at all. prefer Maschine workflow for that reason alone
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The MPC series bounces out stems for 10 years. What are you specifically talking about?
@JeronimoFury when I export and even explode, it doesn't separate all instruments with in the track. So I have to solo instruments and select the export audio button at the top of the sequencer. Then I have to click out of the track and go back to load another instrument to drag out another..
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The MPC exports per track not individual elements within the track. The MPC is like a DAW.
But the MPC has an explode feature that will spread all the elements on a given track to multiple tracks. Then you can export in the desired manner.
I'll take the MPC 4000 over the 3000.
I'm with you if I can have the adat outs.
The biggest problem with Akai is Akai Professional as a company Doesn’t acutally exist anymore. It went out of business and then the brand name and is assets were purchased by Numark. You are basically buying a Numark/InMusic product with the Akai Professional brand stamped on it that shares nothing in common with the real Japanese Akai company in the 90s that Roger Linn worked for. Numark Doesn’t care about quality or sonics. They screwed Roger Linn over.
just bypass the converters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like i dont see what everybody is making noise about............. i can record through my apollo or any outboard gear and sample in chop sequence etc.... when i'm ready to track out just reroute the outputs to its destination like yall overthinking alot..... my eps 16 my asr 10 my mpc 2000 xl is really all i need yall go spend almost 3 racks on same shit
Why would anyone buy a $2500 drum-machine /workstation only to bypass the converters?
@@FizzENT why would anybody by a drum machine for $2500 the X is the SE with a few bells and whistles oh and a faceplate I forgot
My asr 10 and eps 16 ends this convo never mind the almighty sp 1200
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