Because they had to unlock Akuma, a character that is available on the Arcade version as a hidden character. It IS an Arcade-Characters only-Tournament, although theyre playing on a console.
actually if you watch past daigo vs momochi matches youll notice that the setup momochi went for was that daigo would dash forward after the focus absorb like he did last time but daigo knew it was coming and shot out a super
totally agree with u @Splurgendii you practice the trap for the ultra common trap is hadouken and perform the ultra as your enemy jump in ( you can buff it with crouching mk for lowering ur hitbox)
I think that's whats makes him so good. Daigo seemed a lot more patient here from the other fights I saw against Momochi..he's definitely adapted to his Akuma.
smart match, love watching momochi play both player's footsie games were superb. Daigo using low forward, ex fb, fadc into ultra reminds me of 3s Ken into super, smart stuff.
this was a frickin amazing match, blew me away! EX hadoken focus cancel into Ultra was ACE.....but Momochi's comeback, stringing that combo together to take the win was magnificent.
@sasukesuu, you cant jump away from his super if its executed next to him, also, the timing on demon isn't especially hard once you have shortened the move down to 3 fast inputs (shortcutting) rather than doing it jab jab back light kick PPP. it can be inputted just as fast as anyone else's ultra. and if by timing you meant because he has low invincibility frames, players on this level are so ridiculous hit 1 frame links so consistently(pLink), know the matchup, + practice = rarely missed ultras
it can go through the super if you time it right at the very last second just before the super fireball hits akuma. but the question is by that time, will ryu have recovered anyway to just jump over the raging demon?
Great ultra's from forward/fireball combo by Daigo in first matchup! Great comback by Momochi in round 2 of the second match, that's clutch!! What a finish, and crazy commentator!
Actually there was a focus last match, if u watch one of their previous matches, last time Daigo fell for it, this time he learned from it and did a super~
@bogosse02200 i see what you're trying to say. His playing style isnt always like that however. He does have some matches that he gets really creative and doesn't rely too much on hadoukens. When justin wong switched to Boxer to counteract his projectiles, he had to stop spamming them. He usually does unpredictable stuff to catch his opponents by surprise at times. He plays smart, but sometimes he has the guts to take calculated risks. It's why he's that good
@bogosse02200 His style changes depending on who he's facing against. if its a projectile character, that's when he usually does spamming, since both he and his opponent do the same thing. if you want to see his matches where he tries really creative stuff, go look for his casuals. He doesn't really care that much when he loses there, so he tries different things. You should also check out when he started using guile.
Yes, yes it can - I have done it several times by accident. Accident meaning I tried to bait with fireball (they jump over) ultra and they perform an ultra - the RD passes right through and nails them. Personally I think its a glitch because it makes no sense for it to happen. We can't even pass through a normal fireball but can Ryus ultra?
Ya, member that super where he smacks the ground? The rain of hadokens, and the two shoryukens (like ken's) will prolly be a little on the broken side. So, ground smash ftw.
Lordofdark1062 : you have to do lp, lp, back, lk, hp after the slow motion of the super, meaning he pulled the HP the frame after the super, he maybe had 2 frames to choose when to press the HP but all in all from 7.25 to 7.35 there are just reflexes! you can't do any other human reflexes faster than that
@besgeo ok thanks bro! but i think he should try those "differents things" even in difficult matches! that's how we recognize the real great players! when they play risky, even though the match is important
I am not sure but maybe the super will still hit momochi 1st bcoz to jump you need a short startup frame + the akuma's low roundhouse not even recover yet, when daigo threw the super
some of you say daigo spams hadokens, but if one spams it, then its easy to bypass them, its how you use it and clearly daigo knows how to without getting punished but momochi's moves and his ultra
definately, but seeing the new trailer today, ryu's new ultra being a rehash of his super in 3S just makes me think akuma will be getting some special too. raging demon going through fireballs would have solved momochi's problem there.
this fight shows why ryu is a high tier. Those ultras definitely decided the early matches. I don't know what else momochi could have done to win, especially against daigo, who would punish most any predictable, punishable move =(
That's actually wrong. Momochi's main base of set ups is that sweep. He saw it coming and punished him for it, he didn't think back to his last matches in a split second to reveal the counter like some cheap cartoon network anime. It was the spur of the moment.
@Splurgendii well akuma cant lose a fireball match and has the best combos in the game.. so low health and strong but hard to land ultra suits him well.. otherwise he would be broken with anything else
It looks like Daigo learned a new way 2 used his special....If u think about it MOMOCHI has a huge disadvantage,A kuma has low stamina,his attack don't do much damage,+ it's almost imposible 2 land his special..& yet he still manages 2 beat all the top players....BRAVO MOMOCHI UR A TRUE WARRIOR.
Start up frames are what Fireballs can go through, though I'm not 100% if its true for Goukis Super, but I know Ultra for sure. So if momochi timed it a little better he could have landed it.(I think)
low forward + hadouken, that's Daigo. His timing is exceptional good, which gives Momochi (a great player) no chance at all. We are not at his level, we are way below them.
He threw it out because what else could he do? He was going to eat the fireball anyways so at least by trying the Ultra there might be a chance he survives.
Look at this balance. Akuma's ultra does something like 590 maxed out. It has hardly any invincibility, and is pretty hard to land. Sagat's ultra does about 580 maxed out... and you know the rest. They gotta make the ultra more practical in ssf4 who's with me?
@madcatztroy oh i know. i mean being able to register in your head "okay he jabbed. my cr mid kick connected, let me ex fireball FADC into ultra." that kind of reaction and speed is just ridiculous. not trying to hype Daigo up at all but even the crowd and announcer were like holy shit when he did it. its easy to hit confirm when dealing moves with relatively large recovery time....but a fuckin standing jab from akuma lol?
it was his day. simply put, daigo was just better in that match. daigo knows the gouki matchup far more then he did in that video that got momochi a bit famous
ryus can have awesome combos, just replace demon flip kick with a jumping med/fierce, and akuma's BnB with srk or srk into ultra hard thing about ryu is that he doesnt do much dmg, but all that is compensated through most of his moves being able to combo with ultra
@bogosse02200 he's not spamming, he is playing to ryu's strength. if he just mindlessly spammed, he would get beat easy. look at all the top ryus, they do the same thing. its this zoning that makes ryu a top character. if a ryu player neglects zoning/patience, and rushes down without a knockdown, he is making ryu a low tier character. he would get destroyed by bison, rog, sagat, chun, honda, guile etc. fireballs are essential to ryu and his zoning. people who whine really dont know anything.
Good games. As always, Daigo is interesting to watch. On another note... it sucks that Akuma's super cant go through a hadoken super. Poor Momochi. :'-( -JB
sure about that? id check in training mode if i were you. Last time i looked, the only person in the game that hits 600 from nothing but an ultra is Zangief and i think blanka.
they both played amazingly well but I agree with bumman. one player has a nearly useless super/ultra and that may have been the difference between them.
@wccira I said : "he spamms fireballs all the time" am i right or wrong? i didnt say that daigo was a noob.i know he is one of the best sf players in the world, and i will never reach his leveln BUT HE STILL SPAMMS FIREBALLS, AND THAT BORES ME.
2:23 the commentator: naive hadou cannot be forgiven
funniest thing I've heard in my life
Akuma doesn't need many openings to take all your life. The Comeback at 6:08 was just bliss. What a match!
Because they had to unlock Akuma, a character that is available on the Arcade version as a hidden character. It IS an Arcade-Characters only-Tournament, although theyre playing on a console.
actually if you watch past daigo vs momochi matches youll notice that the setup momochi went for was that daigo would dash forward after the focus absorb like he did last time but daigo knew it was coming and shot out a super
totally agree with u
@Splurgendii
you practice the trap for the ultra
common trap is hadouken and perform the ultra as your enemy jump in
( you can buff it with crouching mk for lowering ur hitbox)
I think that's whats makes him so good.
Daigo seemed a lot more patient here from the other fights I saw against Momochi..he's definitely adapted to his Akuma.
smart match, love watching momochi play
both player's footsie games were superb. Daigo using low forward, ex fb, fadc into ultra reminds me of 3s Ken into super, smart stuff.
Momochi and Daigo - You can't ask for anything more exciting
this was a frickin amazing match, blew me away! EX hadoken focus cancel into Ultra was ACE.....but Momochi's comeback, stringing that combo together to take the win was magnificent.
@sasukesuu, you cant jump away from his super if its executed next to him, also, the timing on demon isn't especially hard once you have shortened the move down to 3 fast inputs (shortcutting) rather than doing it jab jab back light kick PPP. it can be inputted just as fast as anyone else's ultra. and if by timing you meant because he has low invincibility frames, players on this level are so ridiculous hit 1 frame links so consistently(pLink), know the matchup, + practice = rarely missed ultras
the start up on ryus super is faster than akumas recovery frame for sweep. but it has to be close.
@superdahoho when gouki does that stance for the ultra, it still can get hit and since the ryu super practically hits him in those small frames.
Footsie matches are awesome to watch.
I love the announcer even though i don't know what hes saying, so much spirit!
it can go through the super if you time it right at the very last second just before the super fireball hits akuma. but the question is by that time, will ryu have recovered anyway to just jump over the raging demon?
I think a Momochi and Daigo fight is the most exciting to watch, it's pretty intense :P
momchi is the greatest inspiration to me as an akuma player. Daigo well.............. is too awesome.
Great ultra's from forward/fireball combo by Daigo in first matchup! Great comback by Momochi in round 2 of the second match, that's clutch!! What a finish, and crazy commentator!
Actually there was a focus last match, if u watch one of their previous matches, last time Daigo fell for it, this time he learned from it and did a super~
@bogosse02200 i see what you're trying to say. His playing style isnt always like that however. He does have some matches that he gets really creative and doesn't rely too much on hadoukens. When justin wong switched to Boxer to counteract his projectiles, he had to stop spamming them. He usually does unpredictable stuff to catch his opponents by surprise at times. He plays smart, but sometimes he has the guts to take calculated risks. It's why he's that good
@sasukesuu
Yes, but the thing is Ryu can super your sweep on block
So you either time it right or eat the super.
@bogosse02200 His style changes depending on who he's facing against. if its a projectile character, that's when he usually does spamming, since both he and his opponent do the same thing. if you want to see his matches where he tries really creative stuff, go look for his casuals. He doesn't really care that much when he loses there, so he tries different things. You should also check out when he started using guile.
Daigo was actually reversing the sweep. Momochi just thought the demon would go through the super.
Yes, yes it can - I have done it several times by accident. Accident meaning I tried to bait with fireball (they jump over) ultra and they perform an ultra - the RD passes right through and nails them.
Personally I think its a glitch because it makes no sense for it to happen. We can't even pass through a normal fireball but can Ryus ultra?
i think he just did his ultra hoping his invincibility frame go through because the super daigo threw was not dodgeable with the recovery of low HK
the combo from momochi was awesome
why didn't momochi jump over the super? i didn't think you could punish a blocked low roundhouse with super...
Does anyone no if daigo uses a square-gate or octe-gate?
Thx in advance
@tyzer23 why give him hadokens if he won't use it?
7:30
doesn't ultra go through fireballs?
why didn't it?
Wow you can tell he wanted revenge for falling for that sweep into a super last time.
... I know super gives you a few frames of blue so I guess he got mixed up
Ya, member that super where he smacks the ground? The rain of hadokens, and the two shoryukens (like ken's) will prolly be a little on the broken side.
So, ground smash ftw.
its not impossible to land Akuma special, lookup K66, he pulls it off big time
momochi is my idol...hes simply godly..... too awesome...
Lordofdark1062 : you have to do lp, lp, back, lk, hp after the slow motion of the super,
meaning he pulled the HP the frame after the super, he maybe had 2 frames to choose when to press the HP but all in all from 7.25 to 7.35 there are just reflexes! you can't do any other human reflexes faster than that
You can cancel the roundhouse into the Ultra. If you time it right it goes through Ryu's super and catches him, but Momochi timed it way too early.
if im fighting seth on hard its a bit difficult sometimes to pull off the instant hell murder.
my two fav players.. this is always an epic match.. but this time around daigo got the edge.
@besgeo ok thanks bro! but i think he should try those "differents things" even in difficult matches! that's how we recognize the real great players! when they play risky, even though the match is important
how do you do all those cancels...
I am not sure but maybe
the super will still hit momochi 1st
bcoz to jump you need a short startup frame
+ the akuma's low roundhouse not even recover yet, when daigo threw the super
It apparently does, else Momochi wouldnt have tried it. He probably just launched it like a frame too early.
no i know that, im saying daigo learned from last time when momochi did that to him, he knew he was going for it.
@stanzaix thats because they dont need to momochi is daigos twin brother
some of you say daigo spams hadokens, but if one spams it, then its easy to bypass them, its how you use it and clearly daigo knows how to without getting punished but momochi's moves and his ultra
Really ? This was one month ago though hahah
Why would he use ultra to counter a super hadoken?
definately, but seeing the new trailer today, ryu's new ultra being a rehash of his super in 3S just makes me think akuma will be getting some special too. raging demon going through fireballs would have solved momochi's problem there.
@dokho1981 he must have known he was buffering Raging Demon! Sweet!
this fight shows why ryu is a high tier. Those ultras definitely decided the early matches.
I don't know what else momochi could have done to win, especially against daigo, who would punish most any predictable, punishable move =(
Jesus H. Christ that was a nice comeback from Momochi.
there on a ps3 now, not arcade.
the endinng was soooo epic
man if akumas ult got around that super, it would have been epic
@sasukesuu
I find Ryu's super to be more dangerous than his Ultra. He can punish way too many things with it for a ton of damage.
Yup Momochi has owned Diago many times before, even going matches without Diago winning a single round.
That's actually wrong. Momochi's main base of set ups is that sweep. He saw it coming and punished him for it, he didn't think back to his last matches in a split second to reveal the counter like some cheap cartoon network anime. It was the spur of the moment.
@Splurgendii well akuma cant lose a fireball match and has the best combos in the game.. so low health and strong but hard to land ultra suits him well.. otherwise he would be broken with anything else
It looks like Daigo learned a new way 2 used his special....If u think about it MOMOCHI has a huge disadvantage,A kuma has low stamina,his attack don't do much damage,+ it's almost imposible 2 land his special..& yet he still manages 2 beat all the top players....BRAVO MOMOCHI UR A TRUE WARRIOR.
Momochi is not playing his usual turtle game.
Start up frames are what Fireballs can go through, though I'm not 100% if its true for Goukis Super, but I know Ultra for sure.
So if momochi timed it a little better he could have landed it.(I think)
low forward + hadouken, that's Daigo. His timing is exceptional good, which gives Momochi (a great player) no chance at all. We are not at his level, we are way below them.
so gouken is banned from this competition?
as a street fighter 4 character. plus winning tougeki doesn't automatically mean he is the TOP makoto, it was a team effort :P
He threw it out because what else could he do? He was going to eat the fireball anyways so at least by trying the Ultra there might be a chance he survives.
Like Daigo won't send a wave of fireballs given the chance? Mago is a BEAST! whether it be zoning or up close rapage.
6:09 was EPIC!!!! And the very end of the video was ridiculous, ONE frame later and i think it would have been a different outcome :D
Look at this balance.
Akuma's ultra does something like 590 maxed out. It has hardly any invincibility, and is pretty hard to land.
Sagat's ultra does about 580 maxed out... and you know the rest. They gotta make the ultra more practical in ssf4 who's with me?
@madcatztroy oh i know. i mean being able to register in your head "okay he jabbed. my cr mid kick connected, let me ex fireball FADC into ultra." that kind of reaction and speed is just ridiculous. not trying to hype Daigo up at all but even the crowd and announcer were like holy shit when he did it.
its easy to hit confirm when dealing moves with relatively large recovery time....but a fuckin standing jab from akuma lol?
aaw that sucks he couldnt get through!!
momochi was baiting daigo with down ups to make it look like he was going to throw a hado but daigo wasn't falling for it but i would have LOL
@dokho1981 7:26 you mean.
6:08 and 7:29
MOST EPIC ANNOUNCER EVAR!
Momochi vs Mago...maybe?
Announcer man berry strong.
7:30 the best reflex in the world!
you can* practice the trap ...
btw becareful to use the trap above cuz some char like ryu can use ex tatsumaki on air and he will miss the ultra
it was his day. simply put, daigo was just better in that match.
daigo knows the gouki matchup far more then he did in that video that got momochi a bit famous
epic fight
where did you get these videos?
from web site or DvD?
just tell me
Daigo is the best Meter Manager ever
ryus can have awesome combos, just replace demon flip kick with a jumping med/fierce, and akuma's BnB with srk or srk into ultra
hard thing about ryu is that he doesnt do much dmg, but all that is compensated through most of his moves being able to combo with ultra
@bogosse02200 he's not spamming, he is playing to ryu's strength. if he just mindlessly spammed, he would get beat easy. look at all the top ryus, they do the same thing. its this zoning that makes ryu a top character. if a ryu player neglects zoning/patience, and rushes down without a knockdown, he is making ryu a low tier character. he would get destroyed by bison, rog, sagat, chun, honda, guile etc. fireballs are essential to ryu and his zoning. people who whine really dont know anything.
good fight, battle of the best. :)
momochi needs to use his ultra more
Square-gate
all jab arcade cabinets use them. .
6:08 was so0o0o0 crazy and clutch!!
Good games. As always, Daigo is interesting to watch.
On another note... it sucks that Akuma's super cant go through a hadoken super. Poor Momochi. :'-(
-JB
sagat? exciting? you trolling or something?
It's a shame that demon has barely any priority over most ultras.
sure about that? id check in training mode if i were you.
Last time i looked, the only person in the game that hits 600 from nothing but an ultra is Zangief and i think blanka.
Ahh I see..Same thing with Mago's Sagat.
they both played amazingly well but I agree with bumman. one player has a nearly useless super/ultra and that may have been the difference between them.
Hey check out Poonkgo. Ryu CAN do some wacky combos!
@wccira
I said : "he spamms fireballs all the time" am i right or wrong?
i didnt say that daigo was a noob.i know he is one of the best sf players in the world, and i will never reach his leveln BUT HE STILL SPAMMS FIREBALLS, AND THAT BORES ME.
he couldnt recover from the down heavy kick if he doesnt do the demon
7:30 fucking amazing!
haha momochi tried the same low HK ultra trick as the last matchup !!!!!
fadc... youtube after it.. its pretty simple, just press focus after a shoryuken an dash forward to ultra