As a fountain pen user, I agree about the scratchy feeling of the Orenz system. Kuro-toga system feels much smoother, although the spinning feature doesn't work if you write cursive with a light hand. I got the metal Orenz in 0.3 and was disappointed with the scratchy feeling of dragging that metal pipe across the paper. It isn't horrible, but not for those who like a very smooth writing experience.
I recently got the Orenznero in 0.5 and I wish I would have had this for certain math exams or something like that. I feel the auto feature combined with its wonderful grip would be welcome features for the nervous, frantic student just trying to finish on time.
It seems that the advantage of the nero is the auto lead feed which allows the lead pipe to stay a constant length whereas the standard model the pipe reduces in size as the lead is used up. I don't think either pencil would suit as a drafting pencil as they usually use a 4mm pipe and a clear view of the lead point where it touches the paper. Just some thoughts.
I am a huge fan of the regular .2 and .3 versions. I haven't tried the .5, but on the smaller widths, they don't scratch the papers that I use-- maybe it's the way I write. I really want to get the Nero but am balking because of the price; really, I would have expected all metal. I'm guessing they did that to save on cost as well as because it might be too unbalanced and heavy when using it with the smaller leads. I've gotten used to the plastic on my .2/.3 and it feels right to me. It does look great though and it doesn't have a gem on the clip so that's a plus.
I think that hybrid case is actually magnetic. Just guessing, but they may have added metal dust to the resin to increase the weight of the pencil? I personally like heavy pencils but I know some people really like lighter writing tools. This puts it in the middle and does give it some 'product differentiation' from its competitors.
@@potassiumc I'm pretty sure you can push it back in the pencil with another piece of lead or the metal wire. It should call out where the lead is contained then
I'm always aware of the angle my mechanical pencils are in. If you draw, or write a lot of notes, you will end up noticing uncociously what part the of pencil faced what direction so that you start either the grined down po8nt of the lead.
Good afternoon! I apologize in advance that I am not writing on! But then you will answer me and my question will not be lost. The question is: which of the available rods is more suitable for Montblanc 88 ballpoint pen? Need a rod with a thin tip, 11.2 cm long? Found here such Waterman refill ballpoint-11,2. Or maybe you have such a rod Montblanc vintage foto? Refill Montblanc ballpoint pen with adapter is not suitable as the tip is thicker and it does not pass into the outlet hole. Thanks for the answer.
This review is SUPERIOR. Great job. My complaints re most mechanical pencils: (1) No need for the pocket clip, unless it's to keep it from rolling on a table; (2) No need to have an eraser. Erasers are TOO SMALL, better to have a separate eraser at hand; (3) Should have a section in clear plastic, not easily seen while you write, so that you can see if you are running low on leads; (4) The "knurling" should be "just right," not too stubby or too sharp, etc. This pencil's knurling looks good. And so on. The price for the Nero, over $30, is WAY too high, considering the Uni Kuru Toga or the Tul pencils. EDIT: Would you qualify this mechanical pencil as having "semi-automatic lead advancement"?
@@unsharpen Hey, sorry for not replying sooner. I recently bought a mechanical pencil that has "patented semi-automatic lead advancement," which means it feeds the lead as I write, no need to click anything. So, yeah, that behavior seems like "full auto," but I wasn't sure about the terminology. Thanks again.
I know this is old, but it warrants clarification for whoever reads this: Mechanical pencil erasers are small like that because they're for _precision_ erasure. If you're erasing more than one single stray trace or letter, use a block eraser. You don't cut a tree branch with a scalpel, and neither do you use gardening shears to trim your fingernails.
I have the exact same 0.5mm regular orenz, and it's useful to me because I use 4B lead. I like writing dark lines with a pencil. So sad Pentel don't make a 0.5mm orenznero. I wanted to buy orenznero for a long time and maybe I'll get a 0.3mm one later.
I uncovered a little more info about the plastic-metal mix, from this video's closed captions at ~8:35: th-cam.com/video/IBhSGCknb-c/w-d-xo.html Apparently, it is either iron or aluminum filings or powder that is mixed with the plastic.
Question: (not related to video) Would you say the Pilot Acroball 1.0mm or the Tapliclip 1.0mm is... More smooth ink wise (writing on cheap paper given in schools) Less smudgy since I tend to accidentally brush my hand over my book Thank you in advance! ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ I'm trying to find the best possible pen for me!
I really like the feel of the .2mm Orenz Nero BUT this is my second time buying it and it keeps jamming at the tip. The included pins don’t work and just get bent no matter when you push from either side.... I wanted to love this pencil but sadly this is a no for me. Hope you can suggest another way of unjamming? I have two of them in my pen graveyard...
I have the Orenz .2mm. It jammed immediately after replacing the lead with Pentel's brand of .2mm refills. It is useless now. I have tried and tried to get it to work again. I cannot. The pin will not go through the end of the tip. The clutch seems to be jammed also. How does this happen. The pencil has never been abused. Just used normally. Not even heavy enough to be a $35 paperweight.
@@yuya8941 No. I have to purchase .2 mm drill bits to try to drill out the blocked tip. As of yet, I have found no replacements or method of dissolving the graphite inside the metal tip.
@@yuya8941 No. It is just sitting waiting for me to purchase .2mm drill bits to try to clear the block. The company will not respond to my requests. I will try to drill out the blocked graphite inside the needle tip. I know of no way to dissolve the graphite inside the tip. The small wire pin they give is too large to fit into the tip. The instructions on their website do not apply to my model. Only the less expensive model. I am so disappointed in this pencil.
@@bbrachman Mine actually jammed too, but its fixed already. The eraser that came with the pencil has the metal rod in it. I used that to pierce through the jammed metal lead tip. It was not budging at first but it worked for me. Sorry for the grammar, english is not my first language.
Can it be used as a normal mechanical pencil if I extend the lead a lot? I really like the design but I use all my mechanical pencils to write, so I think I wouldn't like the scratching feeling, and honestly I do not feel like pushing the button distracts me, but I think the scratch feeling would.
I can't answer yet but I'm getting the pen in 2 day's and will, but from the looks of the video it seems like he push's the lead back in. sorry if this is way too late to be of any help.
I received the pencil and I can now confirm that if the lead comes out of the pen, you can simply take the cap off the eraser, pull out the eraser, and place the lead in the chute, the lead funnels into the pencil so it can be used.
oh you're not supposed to let even very, very little of the lead extended before you start writing? i have the 0.2 orenz cheapie version. are there no pencils out there that rotates the lead and advances the lead automatically?
Have use the standard orenz before, they are trash, the leads still break and they also prone to stuck. I keep changing pencil until the delgard they are the best at anti-breaking.
Unfortunately.....I had to return it. it keeps punching through my note book lmao I tried to feed it and kept breaking the lead 😂😂😂😂 I ended up getting Zebra DelGuard 0.5mm
As this pencil is clearly intended for use by artists and technical draftsmen, both of which use varying hardness of lead, this not having a hardness indicator in inexcusable. A lead pin should also be mandatory, in every drafting pencil actually. The grip should be made out of metal, which would balance this pencil even more nicely. This grip is not a metal-plastic hybrid, its plastic. You can see the molding marks. Not saying its worth it or not, you will have to decide that yourself. Just some observations.
@@unsharpen It's normal injection-molded plastic with a high content of metal powder filler. Look up "cold casting". Structurally speaking, it's plastic. It's a very cheap way for them to manufacture heavy products, to attend to the demand of the "cult of heavy" mentality that people have.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Actually, weight AND balance,play a huge role on how a pencil will perform. Weight adds to precision. That means,you make more precise,more beatiful letters when you write. It provides greater control when you draw,which leads to both less mistakes,as also more beautiful drawings.
As a fountain pen user, I agree about the scratchy feeling of the Orenz system. Kuro-toga system feels much smoother, although the spinning feature doesn't work if you write cursive with a light hand. I got the metal Orenz in 0.3 and was disappointed with the scratchy feeling of dragging that metal pipe across the paper. It isn't horrible, but not for those who like a very smooth writing experience.
I recently got the Orenznero in 0.5 and I wish I would have had this for certain math exams or something like that. I feel the auto feature combined with its wonderful grip would be welcome features for the nervous, frantic student just trying to finish on time.
2:35 "ink" lol. What happens when you review pens too much.
I'm going to buy the Orenz Nero tomorrow as I'm into the all black look.
I got a 0.3 Nero right now,and I just ordered the 0.2 version
Which one is better?
you are hella rich my friend
It seems that the advantage of the nero is the auto lead feed which allows the lead pipe to stay a constant length whereas the standard model the pipe reduces in size as the lead is used up. I don't think either pencil would suit as a drafting pencil as they usually use a 4mm pipe and a clear view of the lead point where it touches the paper. Just some thoughts.
I am a huge fan of the regular .2 and .3 versions. I haven't tried the .5, but on the smaller widths, they don't scratch the papers that I use-- maybe it's the way I write. I really want to get the Nero but am balking because of the price; really, I would have expected all metal. I'm guessing they did that to save on cost as well as because it might be too unbalanced and heavy when using it with the smaller leads. I've gotten used to the plastic on my .2/.3 and it feels right to me.
It does look great though and it doesn't have a gem on the clip so that's a plus.
I think that hybrid case is actually magnetic. Just guessing, but they may have added metal dust to the resin to increase the weight of the pencil? I personally like heavy pencils but I know some people really like lighter writing tools. This puts it in the middle and does give it some 'product differentiation' from its competitors.
Sweet model. The Nero is the best. I picked up a limited edition Orenz in translucent purple with a small porcupine image on the side.
How do you pull out the lead if it is stuck? The lead doesn't exceed. :(I do not know what to do
@@potassiumc I'm pretty sure you can push it back in the pencil with another piece of lead or the metal wire. It should call out where the lead is contained then
Me he antojado de comprar las versiones de 0,2 y 0,3 mm. Saludos desde Medellín, Colombia.
Really like your review, subscribing today. BTW, what is the desk mat you are using?
Thanks! Alvin mat
The only time that we hold a pencil vertical when drafting,i when we use stencils,When we use rulers etc,we always place the pencil,in an angle.
8:07 nooooooo 😭😭😭😭
(btw, awesome review, thanks a lot!)
Now the Orenz Nero can come in 0.5. I was so happy with that.
Yes this was welcome news
how is this compare to the Pilot Automac?
I'm always aware of the angle my mechanical pencils are in. If you draw, or write a lot of notes, you will end up noticing uncociously what part the of pencil faced what direction so that you start either the grined down po8nt of the lead.
Seems to work the same way as my Faber-Castell TK-Matic, which I bought in 1981.
What lead comes innitially with the pencil?
Good afternoon! I apologize in advance that I am not writing on! But then you will answer me and my question will not be lost. The question is: which of the available rods is more suitable for Montblanc 88 ballpoint pen? Need a rod with a thin tip, 11.2 cm long? Found here such Waterman refill ballpoint-11,2. Or maybe you have such a rod Montblanc vintage foto? Refill Montblanc ballpoint pen with adapter is not suitable as the tip is thicker and it does not pass into the outlet hole. Thanks for the answer.
This review is SUPERIOR. Great job.
My complaints re most mechanical pencils: (1) No need for the pocket clip, unless it's to keep it from rolling on a table; (2) No need to have an eraser. Erasers are TOO SMALL, better to have a separate eraser at hand; (3) Should have a section in clear plastic, not easily seen while you write, so that you can see if you are running low on leads; (4) The "knurling" should be "just right," not too stubby or too sharp, etc. This pencil's knurling looks good. And so on.
The price for the Nero, over $30, is WAY too high, considering the Uni Kuru Toga or the Tul pencils.
EDIT: Would you qualify this mechanical pencil as having "semi-automatic lead advancement"?
@@unsharpen Hey, sorry for not replying sooner. I recently bought a mechanical pencil that has "patented semi-automatic lead advancement," which means it feeds the lead as I write, no need to click anything. So, yeah, that behavior seems like "full auto," but I wasn't sure about the terminology. Thanks again.
I know this is old, but it warrants clarification for whoever reads this:
Mechanical pencil erasers are small like that because they're for _precision_ erasure. If you're erasing more than one single stray trace or letter, use a block eraser. You don't cut a tree branch with a scalpel, and neither do you use gardening shears to trim your fingernails.
I have the exact same 0.5mm regular orenz, and it's useful to me because I use 4B lead. I like writing dark lines with a pencil. So sad Pentel don't make a 0.5mm orenznero. I wanted to buy orenznero for a long time and maybe I'll get a 0.3mm one later.
Theirs a .5 Nero on amazon jp
0.5 released the same year lmfao
hello. My Orenz Nero pipe slides out when retracted. It is spring loaded. Does not act like yours.
I uncovered a little more info about the plastic-metal mix, from this video's closed captions at ~8:35: th-cam.com/video/IBhSGCknb-c/w-d-xo.html
Apparently, it is either iron or aluminum filings or powder that is mixed with the plastic.
Question: (not related to video)
Would you say the Pilot Acroball 1.0mm or the Tapliclip 1.0mm is...
More smooth ink wise (writing on cheap paper given in schools)
Less smudgy since I tend to accidentally brush my hand over my book
Thank you in advance! ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ I'm trying to find the best possible pen for me!
8:07 OMG THAT HURTS
Yea I died a little inside
I really like the feel of the .2mm Orenz Nero BUT this is my second time buying it and it keeps jamming at the tip.
The included pins don’t work and just get bent no matter when you push from either side.... I wanted to love this pencil but sadly this is a no for me.
Hope you can suggest another way of unjamming? I have two of them in my pen graveyard...
I have the Orenz .2mm. It jammed immediately after replacing the lead with Pentel's brand of .2mm refills. It is useless now. I have tried and tried to get it to work again. I cannot. The pin will not go through the end of the tip. The clutch seems to be jammed also. How does this happen. The pencil has never been abused. Just used normally. Not even heavy enough to be a $35 paperweight.
Has the issue been resolved yet?
@@yuya8941 No. I have to purchase .2 mm drill bits to try to drill out the blocked tip. As of yet, I have found no replacements or method of dissolving the graphite inside the metal tip.
@@yuya8941 No. It is just sitting waiting for me to purchase .2mm drill bits to try to clear the block. The company will not respond to my requests. I will try to drill out the blocked graphite inside the needle tip. I know of no way to dissolve the graphite inside the tip. The small wire pin they give is too large to fit into the tip. The instructions on their website do not apply to my model. Only the less expensive model. I am so disappointed in this pencil.
@@bbrachman Mine actually jammed too, but its fixed already. The eraser that came with the pencil has the metal rod in it. I used that to pierce through the jammed metal lead tip. It was not budging at first but it worked for me. Sorry for the grammar, english is not my first language.
@@bbrachman I forgot to mention I actually meant the cheaper orenz version.
Hey, I can't get my Orenz Nero to work now I have added new pentel 0.2mm lead. Any advice?
Can it be used as a normal mechanical pencil if I extend the lead a lot?
I really like the design but I use all my mechanical pencils to write, so I think I wouldn't like the scratching feeling, and honestly I do not feel like pushing the button distracts me, but I think the scratch feeling would.
Yea the top button still works like a normal pencil
Thank you for your orientation. If I do not buy this one I guess I will try the AT version. Wish you all peace and health.
Are there any pencils that have the same floating sleeve?
Can one replace the tip (very front of) this Orenznero 0.2?.
Hello i want to buy this but my question is once the lead is out, can you push it back in?
I can't answer yet but I'm getting the pen in 2 day's and will, but from the looks of the video it seems like he push's the lead back in. sorry if this is way too late to be of any help.
I received the pencil and I can now confirm that if the lead comes out of the pen, you can simply take the cap off the eraser, pull out the eraser, and place the lead in the chute, the lead funnels into the pencil so it can be used.
oh you're not supposed to let even very, very little of the lead extended before you start writing? i have the 0.2 orenz cheapie version.
are there no pencils out there that rotates the lead and advances the lead automatically?
No nothing does both
i think the kuru toga is better for my use, very smooth feel!
How is the ORENZNERO like a racecar?
Like a palindrome
Just bought it in 0.5
Have use the standard orenz before, they are trash, the leads still break and they also prone to stuck.
I keep changing pencil until the delgard they are the best at anti-breaking.
Have you found any other leads not Pentel work with this? Uni leads?
Yes. Any lead brand in the right size will work.
real meal would make it too heavy and more expensive. its probably why
Unfortunately.....I had to return it. it keeps punching through my note book lmao I tried to feed it and kept breaking the lead 😂😂😂😂 I ended up getting Zebra DelGuard 0.5mm
There is a .5 mm version now but totally understand
Orenz nero comes in 5 mm
Will B ordering one 2moro from Amazon in 0.5 $30.
As this pencil is clearly intended for use by artists and technical draftsmen, both of which use varying hardness of lead, this not having a hardness indicator in inexcusable. A lead pin should also be mandatory, in every drafting pencil actually. The grip should be made out of metal, which would balance this pencil even more nicely. This grip is not a metal-plastic hybrid, its plastic. You can see the molding marks. Not saying its worth it or not, you will have to decide that yourself. Just some observations.
all the rotrings are so low for black friday on amazon right now. more than half off
there are many upper mechanical pencils like uni kuru togas, pentel orenz. they include techolocgy itself, why do we use rotrings
@@e.arslan8722 they're also good pencils but the rotrings just happen to be on sale.. not anymore obviously
The grip is actually metal, while the rest of the shaft of the pencil is plastic.
It’s some kind of metal plastic hybrid I think. Feels like metal
@@unsharpen It's normal injection-molded plastic with a high content of metal powder filler. Look up "cold casting". Structurally speaking, it's plastic.
It's a very cheap way for them to manufacture heavy products, to attend to the demand of the "cult of heavy" mentality that people have.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Actually, weight AND balance,play a huge role on how a pencil will perform. Weight adds to precision. That means,you make more precise,more beatiful letters when you write. It provides greater control when you draw,which leads to both less mistakes,as also more beautiful drawings.
海外でレビューしてる人がなんて少ないんだろう
丁寧な解説で良いですねXD
Thanks!
Are you a doctor?
Too bad that is not made of metal (preferably brass), I really like it but...