Yeeeees tier list slop!!! I agree on the "hard = worse" idea. People act like top players don't make mistakes and that's silly. An easier character gives more room for error.
As a fleet main, fleet is INSANE but not like top cast insane. Her zoning is actually pretty bad against good players imo, but I've been succeeding playing her more like a melee peach and using her arrows (side B) to EXTEND her advantage state. She has such great and ambiguous movement with float and it's so good. Amazing combo game, her down throw is my favorite throw in the game omg, and her edge guarding is amazing ESPECIALLY if you abuse ledge invul. Her main weakness is that she has to mix her approach and try harder than other characters to win neutral as shield and parry is super strong against her. She doesn't have strong shield pressure so her grabs are super important to mix in there and her fair is pretty easy to SDI so it's better to use other moves than fair unless you're using hitfall fair imo. Hitfall fair is NUTS LOL
Bro I'm so happy you said Clairen has good buttons with virtually no lag. Everyone just parrots that she has really punishable end lag, but i dont see it outside of a small handful of moves
as a fleet main i might as well ff before it even begins against claren i die at 30 to one grab > fsmash(fstrong?) tipper or dtilt tipper > fsmash tipper and even if i do manage to avoid being touched even once 1 counter and half of my moveset is missing + its rlly easy to hit the counter bc of the 2nd part of my side special being so slow also her counter can spike so thats nice also since you put orcane into A tier(S+ - B tier list) ive seen some players playing orcane similar to ultimate sonic by getting a lead and then just flying across the map and getting hits in when you try to catch them and if you dont its a timeout so imo they should nerf the distance on the bubble flying thing
Fleet needs one or two buffs imo: - just a little 15% more airspeed I beg you Dan why is she both the third slowest character and the third lightest - make her neutral B's reward worth both the risk and the fact that it's hard to land and forces the fleet player to do a lot of resource management
Great tierlist as a fleet main I can see why fleet is annoying you have to play grounded and bait and punish but I mean.. just get over it people play the matchup and move on. I only main fleet because I find Kragg obnoxious.
finally a take on kragg that isn't insane and just revealing that their bad at the game *cough cough* leffen *cough cough*. as a kragg main, I can tell you that his biggest weakness is his mid range zoning, where he cant hit you with your brawling tools but also cant pull rock safely, as down b is parryable on reaction (last hit specifically). basically don't be dumb, have patience and respect for heavies in rivals.
I think its really hard to judge characters rn seeing how balanced the game is. I personally find clairen and ranno to have very strong tools with not much counterplay vs a good player. I also find fleet extremely strong (tho thats 100% because I play wrastor. Thats his worst matchup by far). Id love most characters to get some buffs if anything. I really dont think any nerfs should be made outside of some extremely strong moves. (Kragg fair, wrastor dair, maypul up air, any ranno aerial, etc. Tho i dont nessesery want any of those specifically to get nerfed. Tbh)
Honestly, the Lox/Fleet MU feels evenish/light fleet favour from the Fleet side Forsburn is not hard countered at all though, his rushdown core is predating on zoners like fleet even if she makes his gimmick much harder to use
Zetter does not have a bad recovery. Its not great like most of the characters in this game, but literally no one (no not even lox) has a bad recovery in this game
Yeeeees tier list slop!!! I agree on the "hard = worse" idea. People act like top players don't make mistakes and that's silly. An easier character gives more room for error.
As a wrastor i think it is super hard not to just get walled by clairen disjoints. Wings arent much disjoint depending on move
Would agree but dear god Wrastor Dair is gross
100% agree on the fleet take
I really enjoy fleet but it does feels quite difficult. Lox is pretty easy and kragg usually feels good, but anyone else feels reslly difficult.
As a fleet main, fleet is INSANE but not like top cast insane. Her zoning is actually pretty bad against good players imo, but I've been succeeding playing her more like a melee peach and using her arrows (side B) to EXTEND her advantage state. She has such great and ambiguous movement with float and it's so good. Amazing combo game, her down throw is my favorite throw in the game omg, and her edge guarding is amazing ESPECIALLY if you abuse ledge invul. Her main weakness is that she has to mix her approach and try harder than other characters to win neutral as shield and parry is super strong against her. She doesn't have strong shield pressure so her grabs are super important to mix in there and her fair is pretty easy to SDI so it's better to use other moves than fair unless you're using hitfall fair imo. Hitfall fair is NUTS LOL
Fleet is OD this patch.
Bro I'm so happy you said Clairen has good buttons with virtually no lag. Everyone just parrots that she has really punishable end lag, but i dont see it outside of a small handful of moves
As a Clairen main, yea, shes really hard to punish on whiff typically. On shield hit tho she gets rocked honestly.
as a fleet main i might as well ff before it even begins against claren i die at 30 to one grab > fsmash(fstrong?) tipper or dtilt tipper > fsmash tipper
and even if i do manage to avoid being touched even once 1 counter and half of my moveset is missing + its rlly easy to hit the counter bc of the 2nd part of my side special being so slow
also her counter can spike so thats nice
also since you put orcane into A tier(S+ - B tier list) ive seen some players playing orcane similar to ultimate sonic by getting a lead and then just flying across the map and getting hits in when you try to catch them and if you dont its a timeout so imo they should nerf the distance on the bubble flying thing
Fors is so much fun to play
I’d love to see wrastor get a mid-air parry ngl considering how light he is
yeah no thanks
its so refreshing to see a tier list that doesnt automatically put wrastor and maypul top 2
Fleet needs one or two buffs imo:
- just a little 15% more airspeed I beg you Dan why is she both the third slowest character and the third lightest
- make her neutral B's reward worth both the risk and the fact that it's hard to land and forces the fleet player to do a lot of resource management
no
As a Fleet main, I hate how trash her projectiles can be. They can all be beaten by jabs. Kragg and Lox feel like better zoners compared to her.
Great tierlist as a fleet main I can see why fleet is annoying you have to play grounded and bait and punish but I mean.. just get over it people play the matchup and move on. I only main fleet because I find Kragg obnoxious.
finally a take on kragg that isn't insane and just revealing that their bad at the game *cough cough* leffen *cough cough*. as a kragg main, I can tell you that his biggest weakness is his mid range zoning, where he cant hit you with your brawling tools but also cant pull rock safely, as down b is parryable on reaction (last hit specifically). basically don't be dumb, have patience and respect for heavies in rivals.
Wait until Armada walks in with Fleet and the talkin stops 🤫
I think its really hard to judge characters rn seeing how balanced the game is.
I personally find clairen and ranno to have very strong tools with not much counterplay vs a good player. I also find fleet extremely strong (tho thats 100% because I play wrastor. Thats his worst matchup by far).
Id love most characters to get some buffs if anything. I really dont think any nerfs should be made outside of some extremely strong moves. (Kragg fair, wrastor dair, maypul up air, any ranno aerial, etc. Tho i dont nessesery want any of those specifically to get nerfed. Tbh)
To all that is holy, please nerf Kragg.
Pretty good but Zetter is not better than Lox or Clairen. I can see how thats the case though since you play Orcane.
Fleet matchups feel too good for her to be that low.
She counters kragg/lox/forsburn and only loses hard to clairen and maypul
Honestly, the Lox/Fleet MU feels evenish/light fleet favour from the Fleet side
Forsburn is not hard countered at all though, his rushdown core is predating on zoners like fleet even if she makes his gimmick much harder to use
good thumbnail
100% Disagree on the Fleet take.
When you hard counter the best character in the game, you cannot be considered a weak character.
the title of the thumbnail is NOT centered!!!
it definitely is
I think fleet is a bit better than lox
Da rival
Clairen is mid, you're cappin
Lmao
this is a weird list
Zetter recovery is so bad he gets cheesed super ez. Put him lower
zetter recovery is extremely ambiguous
Zetter recovery is amazing with the 2 jumps off stage(+ wall jump), stalls, and strong up special
Zetter does not have a bad recovery. Its not great like most of the characters in this game, but literally no one (no not even lox) has a bad recovery in this game
It’s only bad when all ur left with is up b lol