Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
A decent human being would give credit where it's due, verbally and monetarily. Because they know they wouldn't be where they are without the music behind it.
And they shouldn't. Producers putting packs out for "FREE" but trying to claim money and credit LATER if a producer makes it a dope track and it blows is wack👎🏿. Don't put it out "FREE" period. And I'm a producer and sample maker too
@@remidibeatz8780free packs aren’t ROYALTY free unless specified as so. You still have to credit the person that made the original music, no matter what.
I don't think it was ever about the money, but rather he didn't get any credit. Like, dude can make a lot more money if people know they're getting packs from a certified platinum producer.
@@MrMisterJW yeah, but the way he stressed the getting paid part makes it seem a little bit about the money lol but yeah credit on a platinum song is a huge door on which opportunity knocks.
the fact that the pack was royalty free makes putting “stole” in the video title a click baity move. EDIT: Kyle changed the title - good on him, I respect the decision
You sound dumb dude lol, if someone puts out a free pack, you can’t then take it and say you made it, you still have to credit the person that made the beat
Did you even watch the video? They literally didnt get paid because the loop was labeled as royalty free. The main issue was getting credit on the song, which they got
When loops or beats are free, those are free... but there are not all free to comercialize or distribute, a lot are just for personal use. It can be used as background music to videos or something like that, and you still have to credit the author.
@@juanr94 depends, some are also free to commercialize, you gotta check the rights etc attached to them if you use em, and authorial credit also has things attached to it, etc its more complicated than just a couple set ideas.
Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
It's not extortion in free beat packs after certain amount of views your supposed to pay the producer it's in the description and is also publicly disclosed why do you think the managers were so cool about it
@@devinkane42 I work in the music industry. Unless specified *Royalty free with credit or Royalty free up to x amount of spins* than you legally don't have to do anything. The managers were cool, because he's a big youtuber and it's not worth the hassle.
Imagine putting that title after OT’s team and OT himself were chill af about it. Not only that, but dude didn’t even looked into how the pack was released. He should’ve known he released it royalty free. And he kept making it about himself, what a fucking vulture.
So... free packs are for personal use, but if you use another artist's loops to make money, legally they at least deserve credit. And if a substantial amount of money is made, they deserve a cut for providing the original inspiration and tools.
Bro, I'm not a producer, don't know much about music. But from what I understand it works like this: You don't have to pay an entry fee, but if you do make money from the song, you gotta credit the artist (which should be a given, like c'mon) and also pay him, because he essentially made part of the song. It sounds completely fair and worth it to me, cause if you buy a pack, you not only have to PAY FOR THE PACK, but also pay royalties and give credit. That's what I understood.
hmmm, The pack has no licensing information included in it. You really need to include a readme document in the zip file with contact info and licensing terms.
Exactly. I always read through them and usually read something like “in the event your usage reaches x amount of streams, we want to renegotiate the royalty free part”
music is shit now, people making jigsaw pieces for others to put together. We have about 5 years before its all just AI but the millions and they just keep throwing all the shit at the wall to see what sticks.A race to the bottom.
@@SonOfUnagi Royalty free is royalty free, though he could require attribution. If he wants licensing terms, really shouldn't put it out as royalty free, when it comes to copyright and stuff, really can't do fully royalty free(like with whole youtube detection and stuff etc, can't have it be sometimes royalty free to complicated).
@@SonOfUnagi Bingo. Always read the licensing and distribution. It's possible that the info is kept on the hosting site itself, it isn't always in the file, and sometimes the pack wasn't put together and distributed by the creator but just some rando who doesn't give a shit about licensing/distribution.
yall talkin out your ass. this was prolly the most chill reaction someone could have to having their shit get used with 0 credit or mention at all. and it even fostered further relationships for future shit too lol. producers deserve the credits for shit they made. yall both got the weak takes acting like they flipped out on em lmfao.
I think getting credit for having a piece of your work in a major song is something you’d want as a producer. You can show that to other people and be like I did this and they can help you in the future
Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
I mean, technically you didn't tho, you made a melody, everyone can do that and post on the internet as royalty free and get placements for big producers. The producer and the rapper are the ones actually transforming your melody into something.
@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo*engineer* and no not everybody can make melodies like that and get a platinum placement. That’s why people use loops instead of making the melody herself and on the other token that’s why the PRODUCER community hates beatmakers who only use loops n don’t credit the co- producer
@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo while you are right, the song itself LITERALLY doesnt exist without him making that melody. cut and dry simple. he deserves everything he can get
The kit is free as in it's offered at no cost, that doesn't mean it's royalty free whatsoever. Also, any time a kit is free it specifies it's not for commercial use unless you get permission from the producer. You are also required to credit the producer which they didn't do, little buddy. It's funny that OT does three things wrong, yet you're calling out the dude who's in the right.
@@QuinnGIn1080p dont piss yourself, "little buddy" all the dude did was make a joke about how he snuck himself in there (rightfully so or not), not that deep LOL
When the dust settled nobody got anything other than a plaque that cost them 450 bucks. This doesn’t change shit for royalty-free packs, other than the best producer getting a ton of credits.
If u download a movie for free and it’s marketed as free, it doesn’t mean u have the rights to use it. The terms and conditions to the loop say if it has over 5mil streams then it’s not royalty free anymore. That’s fair because it means u don’t pay until u make a bunch of money l.
@@shinzoux5912 I was wrong. but free doesn't mean royalty free. Some people have it so that you can use it freely if it's a small song. but when it gets bigger you must credit and and clear the sample. peep any type beat description most of them have this. but in this case they DIDNT steal cause it was a royalty free sample. royalty bomb basically its free to mess around with. but not copyright.
Bro, this whole video is like if i give my homie a peso and he uses it to buy a scratcher and wins, and my boss wants a cut cause he payed me with his money
All it is that the producer didn't credit the og. A sample pack being free is not equivalent to royalty free/free for profit. It just means you can use it for free and make non profit content with it. Which I guess was the original intention of the song, but the producer who put the drums didn't pay or credit the sample makers
No it’s like giving your homie a peso and saying you free to spend it on anything, but if you’re monetizing it I want a cut. Free beats and copyright isn’t free no strings attached, and that’s stated. This beat happened to be free no strings attached as it was royalty free, but they usually aren’t.
@@Wopedomer He didn't want a check? He literally made the whole thing about getting Darez his plaque and MAYBE paid... If you wouldn't put in a word for your friend who you know is "going through waves" (verbatim) to possibly get royalties on a platinum song you are a terrible friend.
@@choppchopp9975 ur not telling me nothing idk lmaoo. My point still stands he had nothing to do with the song other then steal his friends loop for his “pack”.
This is a POS title claiming the mexican ot "stole" your beat when it was a sample and said sample was royalty free. Some bottom feeding ish here. You got credit for something your boy made and credit for something you let go of the rights to.
moral lesson : as a producer don't use(*third party*) sample packs / loops even if they are labelled free /royalty free ,,, even if you bought the loop kits ,,, in the end it will haunt you
fact, I'll never understand producer that uses 3rd party loops, it's only problems + you won't take the whole money you should get for a placement, you'd have to split it
Yeah as the comment above mentioned, you just need to give credit. The pack was released as royalty free so they didn't need to lose any money on it anyways. Depending on the license, even credit may not be required, but that's just human decency to credit the right people. What happened in the video was understandable since the person who made the full beat probably didn't disclose that it wasn't his own sample, and they ended up clearing the misunderstanding anyways. This video itself is misleading though, they should have started the video saying that the music was royalty free. Way too much drama for nothing.
royalty-free means royalty-free. you may get credit but not necessarily paid. words have meaning. not being facetious at all. I've worked decades in the music industry and also in the legal field. One single word can change the meaning of a sentence or paragraph. always know your rights or defer to an expert that can help protect you and your art
Finding it a lil funny that you emphasize maintaining a solid relationship with OT and his crew, yet use his name in the thumbnail and claim he 'stole' the beat. I have no issue with you wanting Darez to get credited and even paid - but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way you handled the title and thumbnail even though you put quotes around the word "stole". You're essentially libeling OT to garner attention for you and your boy. Also, you took the time to drop a link for the 2 week challenge in your description AND pinned comment but fail to link any of Darez's socials 💀 Again, I completely agree with wanting appropriate credit and compensation and I can appreciate you being a homie to your boy. But despite everything, you end up coming across as more of an opportunist instead of someone actually trying to do something genuine. Just my 2 cents. Overall though I'm happy you and Darez got the credit y'all deserved. Keep it up dawg 🔥
@@DonnaInMalibu honestly, I'm inclined to agree. The part where Kyle is talking to his lawyer and the lawyer says "let's back up" 3x seems sus to me, especially since the clip cuts right afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyer was about to tell Kyle that he's not entitled to any compensation due to the sample being part of a free pack. This is just speculation of course, but I also feel it isn't a huge stretch.
Platinum and gold status is based of units sold or equivalent. So it’s 1,000,000 copies sold or the streaming equivalent, not sales in dollar amount. Hope that helps
@@Cocinaughty that’s not accurate. When I said “or the equivalent” I mean in terms of streaming to sales. Roughly (edited) 150 streams is equivalent to 1 unit sold. Platinum is 1 million units sold. Each platform pays out a percentage of a penny sometimes 2 Pennies per stream. The number made from a platinum record today is not 1:1 as it used to be. The amount of money the song makes doesn’t matter in regards to the platinum or gold status. Soundscan tracks sale numbers/units and not the quantitative amount (because singles can be purchased at different rates whether it streamed or bought for .99/1.29) the song made monetarily. If the song goes platinum, that means it has amassed an equivalent of 1 million units, not 1 million dollars.
I watched this video when it first dropped. I love how this worked out, and I love how chill everyone was about it. This could have been a really ugly situation for everyone! So cool to see people just being real with each other. I decided to look up this song on Spotify the other day and was happy to see you guys get credit! This video popped up today again and I had to post this. Much love KB!
I wish I could, been broke for a min and just got a job that starts in 3 days. Won't be getting paid until the challenge is done, but I wish everyone the best of lick and I hope there will be more challenges in the future.
That's what you call "double dipping". Selling royalty free kits for money to producers but if they strike gold and get a decent placement you want a piece of that too. You can't have it both ways. If yall knew the producer was gonna get a placement guarantee you would have never charged him for the so called royalty free kit
If it’s a free sample kit, you already got paid. That’s the way the law perceives this situation. You placed that loop in a kit that was labeled as free. Meaning royalty free. It was also on a website designed to provide free sounds/kits for production. Meaning he does not have to pay you for that beat. I would have told you to take me to court so legally you could be told the same. You had no expectation of payment upon placing that kit on a site as a free kit! You can’t expect one now when there was no paperwork stating that deal. This works the same as if there was a contract. If you accept 5K upfront and 3-5 points on the backend, that’s what you get! Only way to alter said deal is contract renegotiation. The only difference in the two processes is you can’t renegotiate what was already given out as free! Free means free! No matter what!
Yea what does bro have to bitch about? This is such a weak take 😂😂😂😂 Man spent 100k advertising his “royalty free” samples and tryin to act like their beat got stole lmao
you dont get payed for "royalty free" samples which is why this video is confusing tf out of me, how can you drop a free "royalty free" pack & expect to get paid thats sum cheeky a** stuff, getting credited is one thing but "royalty free" is royalty free
@@nxorz3627it doesn't matter he need to get paid its his beat with he needs his credit don't use someone beat and go platinum with it and not give a shout-out I would honestly
What are you talking about? The Johnny Dang track was just a fluke, could have just easily happened on a non-royalty free loop but it didn't. Producers have to put free shit out there sometimes. It's necessary promotion for their brand, and enables up and coming producers to experiment with pre-existing samples or loops. Nothing at all wrong with manipulating some MIDI notes to build your own song. The guy who created them didn't even notice it was his music!! Maybe that's because these guys create thousands of different sounds. They don't always know how "good" something is that they're making, so it's completely their responsibility to copyright certain things or choose to give them away.
Imagine having to credit the creator of a LOOP you used from a free pack lmao. Kyle didn’t even have a hand in the finished beat. Transformative use of a loop. This is clickbait
Imagine a world where beatmakers had to give credit for each aspect of a beat lol. “Beat prod me. Kick by Cookin Soul. Hi hat by Sonny Digital. Synth by…”
Did you watch the video? They didn't get paid. Better business model: enjoy the process of creating music, get good at creating music, be a cool person, make connections to other cool, music creating people, create music. There's a one in a millions chance someone picks up your music and you'll make some real money from it.
@@reallyeffingcooltechnodudeOf course I watched the whole video. In the end, he’ll get a Plaque to recognize his contribution to the song. I took more offense to the title “stole”. OT didn’t steal anything. Another producer used it form a “FREE” pack and OT got it from him. If OT never picked it up, never would’ve seen the light of day. As Nas would say, they made it a hot loop, OT made it a damn hit! Not to discredit the creator but this likely took him less than an hour to make. It takes hours to lay down the verses, structure the beat around the lyrics and many more hours to mix and master the song. Now you make the video and promote the song. It was a hit with or without that beat. OT and Paul Wall have turned many instrumentals into HITS. To the credit of this channel and the producer of the track, they, as you mentioned, created a lifetime connection. Networking is key in this industry. OT made his track a hit and now he’ll get the recognition he deserves and hopefully will now have a way to support his family in a career I imagine he loves.
So lie about and tarnish the reputation of the artist to get people to watch you? That’s what the law will call libel. I know why he did it. I guess just from a generation that believes in standing on your own merit. Not riding on the backs of others. Anyway, good conversation. I wish you and this channel nothing but success. God Bless!
@@OliveVeyah If your "works" is sampled, you do. His producer pack, which was full of loops/samples for others TO USE, is not covered by the copyright. For example, for every song (they often use hundreds of samples to make a single song), you'd have to list the entire creative team for each sample as "writers" or "producers", and they'd all get compensation. "Samples" aren't just loops sampled from songs, every audio clip is a sample, and most of them aren't recorded by the producers - they are bought/downloaded for free. He released that pack for free, for use. He has no claim to it, the same way he doesn't cite every sample source from every song he puts out - he doesn't pay every sample creator either.
Bro free loops are free as long as you don't make profit. To use the beat for commercial use you have to buy or lease the beat that way the producer gets hits cut
it’s all about principle, paid for or free. you are still not the original creator of the piece, you are not the owner. the goal is to be transparent and give everyone credit and respect they deserve for their work on the record. it’s complex it’s not simple
Does no one know about how free for personal use is different from business use? Like if you use windows 11 for a pc at home it’s one thing, but if you take the same copy of windows 11 and install it on a shitload of office computers it’s illegal? Plus it seems more like he just wants there to be credit for his friend.
Cuz it was all filmed. Bro really had the weakest take of all time w this vid. Ain’t this the dude who used to spam TH-cam with ads about his “free packs” Now he wants royalties on that? Fym
The producer and the beat need accredited, no matter free or not. It can be used in anything, but if it isn't credited properly, then the other "producer" could say it's his own original beat even tho it wasn't. It's just not right.
There doesn't necessarily need to be a payment made either, but most labels in good faith will give the original "producer" a decent cut as well as their name on the track.
Bro, as an IP lawyer you should also know that royalty-free does allow for a person to use a copyrighted work without paying licensing fees but it doesn't exclude moral rights, i.e. being credit. Yeah he may not get paid, but there were certainly claims to be made.
@@tristc6909 i hear a lot of “ Boss “ living here in the UK, in the US its more like “ Fam , dude , boss , man “ but never “ Boss man “ let alone 2 random person who have nothing connected to say it back 2 back
@@randomperson8572 maybe it’s more common in my area, but I say “boss man” like every single day. Especially with like cashiers or something. Like when you get your bags at the store and you say “appreciate it boss man”
This isn't subject to any copyright claims, in my semi-educated opinion - I went to music college for audio engineering and music production, and took a few semesters of music/copyright law classes. Now, that doesn't make me a lawyer, but I have more than just an online search. If they sampled your song, or cut a loop out of published releases, that would be one thing. But he released a free sample/loop producer pack to the public - it is for public use. That is literally what the purpose of the pack being released was - to have other producers use it. In this case, I think it would be the same thing as you buying samples/loops, he just did it for free (self promotion). This is almost like a form of entrapment. I'd bet that if this went to court, Kyle would lose. EDIT: He released it as, free, and many are saying "royalty free." Now I've found a section in the website terms (listed nowhere near the purchase or product provided) that specifically lists "Royalty free is applicable only to songs under 5,000,000 streams, anything above 5,000,000 streams must be cleared with original creator." So basically, they wrote in a clause/exception for "Royalty Free" so that they could list it as royalty free but still make money/get credit for it if it was successful. Under 5 Mill streams wouldn't profit much. I'd argue that is false advertising, if nothing else. I'm unsure of precedents but I think it is fairly inaccessible and misleading.
the packs come with terms and conditions. he didnt even get credited for the beat at all. one could assume the producer made it himself, not even from a pack. i dont even think it would have been that big of a deal if he simply credited him.
When you get the beat it's free as long as you don't use it to make profit. If you want to use it for commercial release you need to buy or lease the beat. I'm a producer too
You can't use it for COMMERCIAL use. Using it to make a track, and sing in the bar or something is one thing. There are terms you agree to. Kyle would win most likely due to that fact it was commercially made.
@@outsomnia You mean the same law that shows that Royalty Free copyright status means that you as the customer do not need to credit or pay royalties? Those same laws? That he himself said he applied his works under? Crazy. Its almost as if he is just upset he didn't get paid for work he didn't even do.
you need to read the fine print in the tos on the site (section 5 to be specific).It's royalty free until you hit a certain amount of streams or purchases (of course you would never know if you meet that criteria until it happens so ig if you wanna save legwork and avoid being accused of stealing after the fact assume this guys loops are not royalty free. Would be nice if they bothered to include tos within the pack or be more transparent about these predatory business decisions but alas.
Honestly shoutout to OTs team for even responding. Most new cats would ignore that shiz and block them. Then in most cases the new producer doesn’t have the resources to sue to get his cut.
well even if he did sue he's not entitled to anything. it was a royalty free pack, I could use this beat if i wanted and theres nothing he can do about it
Brandon OT really impressed me from the get-go. Very professional and very good attitude. Thanks for putting out this video, definitely helps give us more insight into how to approach such issues. Thanks Kyle
Unless the loops are marked as royalty free by the owner of the loops you must seek clearance, you can’t just use a loops and sell the masters to the loop without permission.
Free beat packs are often intended for non-profit use, such as for practicing or recording before making an investment. They may not be able to be distributed, performed, radio streamed, or monetized in any way. If you want to use a beat for commercial purposes, you may need to purchase a license from the producer.
the main goal was being credited. a platinum record that has it's main melody being your creative content without any hint of credit toward you is a pretty big deal.
This felt like a net flix special much less a youtube video. The production the editing the way you telling these stories now are so dope and clean. As entertaining as this was i also felt it was a good lesrning experience. Kinda gives you an idea on how to handle yourself in these type of situations. Not everything always has to be about securing the bag. Sometimes building new relationships can be much more valuable in the long run. Well done kyle, handled this with class. Much respect and congrats to darez on becoming a plat producer!
Free for non commercial use. That's very standard for anything loops or beats. For example if you search type bests, they are all advertised as free without commercial use, so if you used that beat and it blew up and made money, it would no longer qualify for free usage and you'd have to pay up. Same way if you use that beat in a TH-cam video and that blew up, you'd owe money even though it's labeled as "free". Every producer, artist, etc knows this.
After watching the video the word 'stole' just pisses me off in the title . Mexican OT looks and seems like a very humble person from all the interviews ive seen him on and thats just trying to burn his name.
Hey dummy, he said the plaque was in the process of being made and it "takes some time" 🤪🤣 Maybe if the bottom screen had Temple Run going, you'd have been able to pay attention.
@@fatdan172501 because they sold it to you... AHHHH I get it. Wow, you got a doomsday coming to you! Dude, they're going to get rid of taxes here in a few years and you're going to be so confused. "But I own a barn! The government is letting me use their land, don't they want my money?" The purchase was made. You made the purchase to try to beat out all of the losers that wanted to make a hit. No one made a hit. Kyle got thousands from them. Wow, you made a hit, Kyle is happy for your the purchase. GAME OVER. YOU WON THE GAME.
@@kwestpearson4040 Wrong, it was a sample/loop pack released for public use, for free, by this dood. Then people use his free sample packs and he essentially pushes them into a corner saying that they are going to claim it...pretty sure that's not even legally viable....That'd be the music equivalent of entrapment.
you need to read the fine print in the tos on the site (section 5 to be specific).It's royalty free until you hit a certain amount of streams or purchases (of course you would never know if you meet that criteria until it happens so ig if you wanna save legwork and avoid being accused of stealing after the fact assume this guys loops are not royalty free. Would be nice if they bothered to include tos within the pack or be more transparent about these predatory business decisions but alas.
It’s shitty when they say free and it’s not I’m not rich or viral by any means and they copyright strike my songs. I get it make my own or buy it but you see…live and learn
When the free drop kit is not actually FREE😂😂😂... Edit: Oh wait.. guess not!. Would of been cool if they got em like 10 stacks at the very least... Imo
@@Insanelyrical Thats because it was a beat from a long time ago "Before" what the sites you run across now... Most "Free" beats or loops are free but there's always that paywall hidden in the small print... I almost bet they changed all those older "Free" beats with an updated clause attached at the bottom...
Crazy story! Sounds like OT’s team are good people too 👌
y'all gotta do a collab or something soon
Yeah , they didn’t wanna get sued ! They better be good people 😂
🎉you are a good person too 😊, you changed my whole career
Bro sold a loop and got mad a loop he didn’t even make went platinum? This is ridiculous
@@Wopedomer exactly what im sayin bro
Long story short, no one stole anything.
Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
Facts
i was so disappointed at the end lol
Yeah, kyle beats is being a POS with this title. The manager was cool as hell about everything.
Hence the quotations around ‘Stole’
That manager was CHILL AF I fw OT nice to see they were quick on that
It helps when you have a background in the industry. Managers who only have ever managed are the ones to worry about.
That part🏆
Or maybe because Kyle is already so high profile he knows it wouldn’t be a smart move to try and ignore or screw over this person… we’ll never know
Brandon is the one that’s my blood Uncle which is crazy for this to just pop up 😂
@@skill-fn_360hzlol nah yuh ngl that is a crazy coincidence that dats yuh blood uncle lmao 😭😭
“It’s free unless shit pops off. Then you owe us money. Even though it’s my friends.”
Literally though ^
free for personal use not for financial purposes
@@imch099 not what royalty free means
@@imch099Royalty free literally means you can use it without paying lol
A decent human being would give credit where it's due, verbally and monetarily. Because they know they wouldn't be where they are without the music behind it.
as soon as he said free pack I kinda figured no one was bout to get paid lmaoo
And they shouldn't. Producers putting packs out for "FREE" but trying to claim money and credit LATER if a producer makes it a dope track and it blows is wack👎🏿. Don't put it out "FREE" period. And I'm a producer and sample maker too
@@remidibeatz8780free packs aren’t ROYALTY free unless specified as so. You still have to credit the person that made the original music, no matter what.
I don't think it was ever about the money, but rather he didn't get any credit. Like, dude can make a lot more money if people know they're getting packs from a certified platinum producer.
@@MrMisterJW yeah, but the way he stressed the getting paid part makes it seem a little bit about the money lol but yeah credit on a platinum song is a huge door on which opportunity knocks.
@@richardlimp6788 I think that was to add drama to the video.
This is like a commercial for people to never use any sound you put out.
Yeah pure salt.
Not even his... his FRIENDS'
You got it, sticking with cymatics where they embrace their samples blowing up
If you're a thief
@@ligairi What does "royalty free" mean?
RIP to the thousands of prods that gunna get slapped with copyright for that loop 😂
exactly what i'm thinking
But it's royalty free? Unless you mean copyright strikes within the youtube content ID system if they are monetizing their plays?
@@joeproyaknow royalty free means for non commercial use for example SoundCloud sometimes TH-cam Instagram. Commercial is like ads Spotify AppleMusic.
wait so it was a free kit but it wasnt royalty free??
@@rishibellam738 it was watch the video
so not only it was from a royalty free kit, but you didn't even actually make it? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Slapping “my” on the title and wanting credit then turning around just to say he didn’t make it
the fact that the pack was royalty free makes putting “stole” in the video title a click baity move. EDIT: Kyle changed the title - good on him, I respect the decision
You sound dumb dude lol, if someone puts out a free pack, you can’t then take it and say you made it, you still have to credit the person that made the beat
Not really, he still wasn't given credit, money is a different story.
@@HRBarrangerthats why its “ROYALTY FREE” meaning its free to use without having to pay royalty or worry about copyright
@@Shady69420 I'm pretty sure it was free to use, but not royalty free
@@Shady69420 royalty free is just exempt from licensing fees/royalties for use, it is still subject to copyright or IP rights
I guess I'll never use "free" sample kits again
yeah u shouldnt u not a producer 😂 make ur own melodies
just credit them, how stupid are you
Did you even watch the video? They literally didnt get paid because the loop was labeled as royalty free. The main issue was getting credit on the song, which they got
When loops or beats are free, those are free... but there are not all free to comercialize or distribute, a lot are just for personal use. It can be used as background music to videos or something like that, and you still have to credit the author.
@@juanr94 depends, some are also free to commercialize, you gotta check the rights etc attached to them if you use em, and authorial credit also has things attached to it, etc its more complicated than just a couple set ideas.
Famous rapper uses royalty free pack and gets socially extorted by TH-camr. Unless it was specified royalty free with credit, then this was slimy.
Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
He even called the CEO to get money from him. What POS. Royalty free is royalty free.
@@Immigrantlovesamerica Unfollowed. Unacceptable behavior unless it was specified royalty free with credit.
It's not extortion in free beat packs after certain amount of views your supposed to pay the producer it's in the description and is also publicly disclosed why do you think the managers were so cool about it
@@devinkane42 I work in the music industry. Unless specified *Royalty free with credit or Royalty free up to x amount of spins* than you legally don't have to do anything. The managers were cool, because he's a big youtuber and it's not worth the hassle.
imagine complaining when you literally put it up as royalty free big dog. No ones fault but your damn own
This isn't even clickbait. It's slander.
Sure is!! You think he’ll get sued for the title of this video?!
You’d think he’d changed the title but naw, he must like the drama!
He's out here trying to be an ambulance chaser - he saw that platinum record and only saw an opportunity for a con.
Yeah the title is trash. He didn’t have to take it that far to get clicks.
He said they were melodies but all I heard were a couple chords. Can't copyright a few chords.
Imagine putting that title after OT’s team and OT himself were chill af about it. Not only that, but dude didn’t even looked into how the pack was released. He should’ve known he released it royalty free. And he kept making it about himself, what a fucking vulture.
6:20 "that was a free pack i dropped"
Ok we're done here
Hence why there's no payment but credit still goes to the original producer.
So... free packs are for personal use, but if you use another artist's loops to make money, legally they at least deserve credit. And if a substantial amount of money is made, they deserve a cut for providing the original inspiration and tools.
@@zachryansayshello yeah i see that but obviousley someone on OT team not man enough for that
They dont HAVE to though but should he YES
It's not even an original loop. It was super generic.
nah cuz royalty free and free ain't the same
so much bs in the comments lmfao
Such a great video - Mexican OT team was awesome in handling this - hope there is a collab in the future 🙏
Just another reason I absolutely LOVE Mexican OT. He is such a humble and real guy, he even says it himself during interviews!
@@THEMONSTEREXEyep it’s more like we gave away a hit 😂.
How? He never paid the man
@@TATA-lw9yc 😂😂😂
@@TATA-lw9yc he shouldn’t put out free stuff if you no want it back.
Much respect for OT’s manager just being genuine honest and respectful. A real one
the video should be called "don't use my free sample packs because they are not royalty free"
You can't sell the loop as your own without paying royalties yea, that's how a free loop pack works. Free USE not free DISTRIBUTION
Bro, I'm not a producer, don't know much about music. But from what I understand it works like this: You don't have to pay an entry fee, but if you do make money from the song, you gotta credit the artist (which should be a given, like c'mon) and also pay him, because he essentially made part of the song. It sounds completely fair and worth it to me, cause if you buy a pack, you not only have to PAY FOR THE PACK, but also pay royalties and give credit. That's what I understood.
People who are confused by this must think that they own rights to the image when their tattoo artist draws something up for them.
@@DuudsCreatesthats not free then
he didn’t get paid tho
hmmm, The pack has no licensing information included in it. You really need to include a readme document in the zip file with contact info and licensing terms.
Exactly. I always read through them and usually read something like “in the event your usage reaches x amount of streams, we want to renegotiate the royalty free part”
music is shit now, people making jigsaw pieces for others to put together. We have about 5 years before its all just AI but the millions and they just keep throwing all the shit at the wall to see what sticks.A race to the bottom.
Bro it said free that’s false advertisement
@@SonOfUnagi Royalty free is royalty free, though he could require attribution. If he wants licensing terms, really shouldn't put it out as royalty free, when it comes to copyright and stuff, really can't do fully royalty free(like with whole youtube detection and stuff etc, can't have it be sometimes royalty free to complicated).
@@SonOfUnagi Bingo. Always read the licensing and distribution. It's possible that the info is kept on the hosting site itself, it isn't always in the file, and sometimes the pack wasn't put together and distributed by the creator but just some rando who doesn't give a shit about licensing/distribution.
This video seems much more like an ad for your loop packs than anything else.
Pretty genius actually.
Yah I don’t trust anyone anymore really
And what if it is? It's something to be proud of so he should flaunt it. Ot is cool with it. Let him ride his wave.
How is it “free” pack if you’re just gonna turn around and look for money or something at the end.
i had a feeling, sadly i already entered and got my hopes up
Sooo... in other words, this is just like that Spongebob episode where they steal a balloon on free balloon day? 😂
LMAO 🤣
😂😂😂😂
This is like me putting something out front with a free sign and then once someone takes it I go and charge them lol
for real
😂😂
It’s free until someone makes money from it lol 😅
right, kind of an awkward lil game there lol
Yea this is such a weak take / video they just rollin off OT’s hype
yall talkin out your ass. this was prolly the most chill reaction someone could have to having their shit get used with 0 credit or mention at all. and it even fostered further relationships for future shit too lol. producers deserve the credits for shit they made. yall both got the weak takes acting like they flipped out on em lmfao.
@@Wopedomer where u get ur tin foil hats from i need one
@@fortieznoshortiez They don't deserve credit when he literally put it out as "royalty free"
I found it interesting that you never asked Derez what he wanted.
He got credit for a placement on a platinum record. I don't think you understand how much that alone is worth.
Shady industry. Especially dealing with people w no talent. Lol.
I think getting credit for having a piece of your work in a major song is something you’d want as a producer. You can show that to other people and be like I did this and they can help you in the future
yeah... and just snuck in there that he would be credited on the track too... wait why? you just explained that he made it.
why would he not want this hello lock in lil bro
I was just getting ready to change hiphop & R&B again with beats then I watched this video to the end & found a challenge
Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
That manager was so genuine. I'm happy to see that OT is surrounded by good people. Great video and storytelling!
My thoughts exactly
Kyle is a douche
Mannn bro the shit was free, all y’all who agree with them is fake free is free
Mexican OT seemed pretty chill about it too
And yet this dude titles the video like that. And he put stole “my” beat when it was Darez. If I was Darez I’d stop working with this clown
if someone told me that i made a beat that is in a platinum record, i would hang up and have a seizure 💀
I mean, technically you didn't tho, you made a melody, everyone can do that and post on the internet as royalty free and get placements for big producers. The producer and the rapper are the ones actually transforming your melody into something.
i would say "i better be credited or im suing all of y'all"
@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo*engineer* and no not everybody can make melodies like that and get a platinum placement. That’s why people use loops instead of making the melody herself and on the other token that’s why the PRODUCER community hates beatmakers who only use loops n don’t credit the co- producer
@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo while you are right, the song itself LITERALLY doesnt exist without him making that melody. cut and dry simple. he deserves everything he can get
@@lom7923 If you buy sell a car, does the manufacturer deserve a cut since the car wouldn't exist without them?
It went from get the homie paid to I need my cut as well off royalty free loops
Lmfso fr this mf finessed himself in there too 💀
The kit is free as in it's offered at no cost, that doesn't mean it's royalty free whatsoever. Also, any time a kit is free it specifies it's not for commercial use unless you get permission from the producer. You are also required to credit the producer which they didn't do, little buddy.
It's funny that OT does three things wrong, yet you're calling out the dude who's in the right.
@@QuinnGIn1080pAt the end he says the loop was actually royalty free so yes it was royalty free.
@@QuinnGIn1080p dont piss yourself, "little buddy"
all the dude did was make a joke about how he snuck himself in there (rightfully so or not), not that deep LOL
@@iamhereblossom1588 Looks like it's working
So the morale of the story is don’t buy or use any “royalty free” packs. Heard that.
When the dust settled nobody got anything other than a plaque that cost them 450 bucks. This doesn’t change shit for royalty-free packs, other than the best producer getting a ton of credits.
Just not from these guys.
Only The Mexican OT would be this wholesome about this
173 Likes and no replies? Let me change that :)
that manager is goated honestly. He handled that so well
“stole” but the drumkit is free
If u download a movie for free and it’s marketed as free, it doesn’t mean u have the rights to use it. The terms and conditions to the loop say if it has over 5mil streams then it’s not royalty free anymore. That’s fair because it means u don’t pay until u make a bunch of money l.
That’s why it’s in quotes
That was just the attention grabber in the title. Both sides handled things righteously.
@@bartsimpson274 A movie is the final product. Its more like giving away a free camera then charging the studio for fliming the movie with it.
ah yes saying something out of context to get hatred towards Kyle and getting attention at the same time, funny how life works innit
I can't stand people so obviously lying in their title
True they sick f
"Used my free drum kit" in the vid and "stole" in the title. Jfc.
No credit or paying is stealing…
@@elissitdesign Free = no paying. However, are they required to give credit before using the assets?
@@elissitdesignwhy make it free then 😂
@@beastly8056 to get credit and get your name out there
@@shinzoux5912 I was wrong. but free doesn't mean royalty free. Some people have it so that you can use it freely if it's a small song. but when it gets bigger you must credit and and clear the sample. peep any type beat description most of them have this. but in this case they DIDNT steal cause it was a royalty free sample. royalty bomb
basically its free to mess around with. but not copyright.
kind of ironic the title saying he stole your beat but in fact its not yours, its darez
And it was FREE 😂 but now he wants money?!? GTFOH!
Free for FREE usage, NOT commercial usage
@@mpq2394except it’s free for any usage if it’s royalty free. Thats the whole point of royalties. To get paid for commercial usage.
@@mpq2394people don’t understand how things work man😂😂 the amount of comments I’ve seen saying “it was free”
@@jgood1824 it was free tho and that is why he did not get paid even tho it was commercial did you not watch the whole video ???
Bro, this whole video is like if i give my homie a peso and he uses it to buy a scratcher and wins, and my boss wants a cut cause he payed me with his money
Yeah this gringo is a waste of space hungry for fame can’t stand people like this
All it is that the producer didn't credit the og. A sample pack being free is not equivalent to royalty free/free for profit. It just means you can use it for free and make non profit content with it. Which I guess was the original intention of the song, but the producer who put the drums didn't pay or credit the sample makers
No it’s like giving your homie a peso and saying you free to spend it on anything, but if you’re monetizing it I want a cut. Free beats and copyright isn’t free no strings attached, and that’s stated. This beat happened to be free no strings attached as it was royalty free, but they usually aren’t.
@@LeKNG the pack literally said royalty free on it
No it’s not stop making up random shit lmao weirdo
"Free Pack" "want to get my friend paid because it's his pack" "I want my name on the credits too and we need to be paid"..... smh
There are rules to royalty free music.
@@mattk8810 there literally aren't. No one gets credited on a sample pack and royalty free means "we can't request any money from you".
Put it out for free? They don't owe shit. Period.
did you watch the video?
Yea but he keeps asking for payment 😂😂😂
@@j.r31you guys are clueless holy hell
I knew i heard this melody before 💀
Bro put out a free melody pack that was a loop not even made by him and now wants a check 😂😂😂
Bros such a scam
@@Wopedomerexactly
@@Wopedomer He didn't want a check? He literally made the whole thing about getting Darez his plaque and MAYBE paid... If you wouldn't put in a word for your friend who you know is "going through waves" (verbatim) to possibly get royalties on a platinum song you are a terrible friend.
@@Wopedomerso you didn’t watch the video or what?
@@lepanimusicc he talks about trying to get his boy some money thru the first like half of the video
This dude had nothing to do with the actual song other than he put his friends loop in his “pack” 🤣🤣🤣
yeah and that's exactly what music producing is...
@@choppchopp9975 no that’s not lmaooo. Learn an actual instrument u computer clicking beat maker
@@Michael27Romero 90% of the songs you hear were made on computers bro.
@@choppchopp9975 ur not telling me nothing idk lmaoo. My point still stands he had nothing to do with the song other then steal his friends loop for his “pack”.
@@choppchopp9975 he didn’t press one note or one drum on that song let smoke come up with the melody 👌🏼 👍🏻
This is a POS title claiming the mexican ot "stole" your beat when it was a sample and said sample was royalty free. Some bottom feeding ish here. You got credit for something your boy made and credit for something you let go of the rights to.
moral lesson : as a producer don't use(*third party*) sample packs / loops even if they are labelled free /royalty free ,,, even if you bought the loop kits ,,, in the end it will haunt you
nah
Not if you do things right and credit them
fact, I'll never understand producer that uses 3rd party loops, it's only problems + you won't take the whole money you should get for a placement, you'd have to split it
What should they do?
Moral of the story don't get em from someone who gon scam u..
HELP US OUT HERE.. BECAUSE WHAT IM HEARING IS NEVER USE THESE PACKS..
What you're hearing is just credit the producer that made the beat. That's it.
Yeah as the comment above mentioned, you just need to give credit. The pack was released as royalty free so they didn't need to lose any money on it anyways. Depending on the license, even credit may not be required, but that's just human decency to credit the right people. What happened in the video was understandable since the person who made the full beat probably didn't disclose that it wasn't his own sample, and they ended up clearing the misunderstanding anyways. This video itself is misleading though, they should have started the video saying that the music was royalty free. Way too much drama for nothing.
Nah use packs just credit the people. What it sounded like is that the producer for Johnny Dang didn't let the label know he used a loop pack
@@brbsnortingcatnip he didn't, he made a sample, distributed it royalty free and cried afterwards when someone made money out of it!
@@brbsnortingcatniplmao he didn’t produce the full song sucks to be him.
This is something I fear of from using Loops!! Or making them!! I want credit for all my work!!
Exactly why I NEVER use loops, even if it's a banger I feel like I cheated
This why I hated using loops lol 😭
i want to make them and sell them, but fear someone will use it without my consent
just don't drop them in a free pack
royalty-free means royalty-free. you may get credit but not necessarily paid. words have meaning. not being facetious at all. I've worked decades in the music industry and also in the legal field. One single word can change the meaning of a sentence or paragraph. always know your rights or defer to an expert that can help protect you and your art
Shout out to Mexican OT and his team for being completely understanding and acknowledging you and derez’s work
Finding it a lil funny that you emphasize maintaining a solid relationship with OT and his crew, yet use his name in the thumbnail and claim he 'stole' the beat. I have no issue with you wanting Darez to get credited and even paid - but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way you handled the title and thumbnail even though you put quotes around the word "stole".
You're essentially libeling OT to garner attention for you and your boy.
Also, you took the time to drop a link for the 2 week challenge in your description AND pinned comment but fail to link any of Darez's socials 💀
Again, I completely agree with wanting appropriate credit and compensation and I can appreciate you being a homie to your boy. But despite everything, you end up coming across as more of an opportunist instead of someone actually trying to do something genuine. Just my 2 cents. Overall though I'm happy you and Darez got the credit y'all deserved. Keep it up dawg 🔥
He doesn't even deserve any credit, just Darez.
@@DonnaInMalibu honestly, I'm inclined to agree. The part where Kyle is talking to his lawyer and the lawyer says "let's back up" 3x seems sus to me, especially since the clip cuts right afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyer was about to tell Kyle that he's not entitled to any compensation due to the sample being part of a free pack. This is just speculation of course, but I also feel it isn't a huge stretch.
Yeah. "Proper credit" would be literally nothing because that's what dude did.
Creates a FREE PACK, doesn't ask the one who made it what he wants to do. Tries to hit them up looking for money... lol
Fr
most free packs / beats have clear terms saying you cannot profit and claim the work as your own. they're labeled as free for non-profit
@@aydencoulter1353 Nahhhhhhhhhhh
@@aydencoulter1353it was royalty free aswell. Big difference
Platinum and gold status is based of units sold or equivalent. So it’s 1,000,000 copies sold or the streaming equivalent, not sales in dollar amount. Hope that helps
Yeah idk where he got that from cause he prolly will make a couple million off this song shows , tour etc
@@AUUA-p5v that’s unrelated
The streaming equivalent meaning that the amount of streams would have to garner 1 million dollars
@@Cocinaughty that’s not accurate. When I said “or the equivalent” I mean in terms of streaming to sales. Roughly (edited) 150 streams is equivalent to 1 unit sold. Platinum is 1 million units sold. Each platform pays out a percentage of a penny sometimes 2 Pennies per stream. The number made from a platinum record today is not 1:1 as it used to be. The amount of money the song makes doesn’t matter in regards to the platinum or gold status. Soundscan tracks sale numbers/units and not the quantitative amount (because singles can be purchased at different rates whether it streamed or bought for .99/1.29) the song made monetarily. If the song goes platinum, that means it has amassed an equivalent of 1 million units, not 1 million dollars.
@@gramdmastadolla the 1500 actually applies to albums. For singles it’s 150
I watched this video when it first dropped. I love how this worked out, and I love how chill everyone was about it. This could have been a really ugly situation for everyone! So cool to see people just being real with each other. I decided to look up this song on Spotify the other day and was happy to see you guys get credit! This video popped up today again and I had to post this. Much love KB!
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i did
i’m too broke for 27 bucks :(
I wish I could, been broke for a min and just got a job that starts in 3 days. Won't be getting paid until the challenge is done, but I wish everyone the best of lick and I hope there will be more challenges in the future.
dam now i cant upload my fl studio mobile beats
That's what you call "double dipping". Selling royalty free kits for money to producers but if they strike gold and get a decent placement you want a piece of that too. You can't have it both ways. If yall knew the producer was gonna get a placement guarantee you would have never charged him for the so called royalty free kit
If it’s a free sample kit, you already got paid. That’s the way the law perceives this situation. You placed that loop in a kit that was labeled as free. Meaning royalty free. It was also on a website designed to provide free sounds/kits for production. Meaning he does not have to pay you for that beat. I would have told you to take me to court so legally you could be told the same. You had no expectation of payment upon placing that kit on a site as a free kit! You can’t expect one now when there was no paperwork stating that deal. This works the same as if there was a contract. If you accept 5K upfront and 3-5 points on the backend, that’s what you get! Only way to alter said deal is contract renegotiation. The only difference in the two processes is you can’t renegotiate what was already given out as free! Free means free! No matter what!
the pitfalls of doing royalty free samples
Yea what does bro have to bitch about? This is such a weak take 😂😂😂😂
Man spent 100k advertising his “royalty free” samples and tryin to act like their beat got stole lmao
hopefully word gets around, and ppl start paying him to collab or make some beats for them, producer credits etc
@@jasonmusic9938 nah it was a free drumkit, FREE. you cant come back once the artist pops off and ask for a check if its free
Big facts 💯💯🎯
you dont get payed for "royalty free" samples which is why this video is confusing tf out of me, how can you drop a free "royalty free" pack & expect to get paid thats sum cheeky a** stuff, getting credited is one thing but "royalty free" is royalty free
Costco About To Start Giving Out Free Samples & Charging You When You’re About to Walk Out, after watching this 🤣
@@Marito96 😂.
Guys just because it’s a free loop doesn’t mean that the original producer shouldn’t get credit
no one is saying he shouldn’t get credit. it’s just the fact that he was trying to get paid of a beat he published to be free.
@@nxorz3627 I understand that but that’s not how the system works
@@nxorz3627it doesn't matter he need to get paid its his beat with he needs his credit don't use someone beat and go platinum with it and not give a shout-out I would honestly
So desperate for money
Facts, i credit folks everytime i steal they loop 😂😂😂😂
ngl I'm an even bigger fan of OT now lol dude was mad chill about it
Yea plus these bitch asses wanna claim they “made this beat” that was a free loop?? 😂
Bro click baiting
What a cool video and how cool everyone was about it, can't wait for the future hits
only happened because Kyles got almost 1M subs
@@j00bs true
Dw bro we wont use your sample packs now. Thanks for the heads up
You shouldn't or you should obtain prior permissions. Music artists have legal teams for a reason.
Dw bro Darez and Kyle clearly weren't going to get paid for you using their samples anyway lmao
Storytelling has leveled up, fire video!
Bro fr! It’s been months since I seen a KB vid and that was my exact thoughts
Leveled up? LOL This was click bait foooo
This video was wack what are you talking about
Stole? but is free to begin with? bro ur delusional
You dumb? Its free for personal use
Exactly
Nothing at all
This is a perfect example why you shouldn’t use loops even if it says royalty free
facts why is bro mad that he mad he made a free pack and somebody used it
But he didn’t have to pay him cause it said “Royalty free”, so u can use them
@@Sandyyrn he did ask to have the other prod to get paid
If you're good enough you just make your own. These loop makers aren't anything special in the music world.
What are you talking about? The Johnny Dang track was just a fluke, could have just easily happened on a non-royalty free loop but it didn't. Producers have to put free shit out there sometimes. It's necessary promotion for their brand, and enables up and coming producers to experiment with pre-existing samples or loops. Nothing at all wrong with manipulating some MIDI notes to build your own song. The guy who created them didn't even notice it was his music!! Maybe that's because these guys create thousands of different sounds. They don't always know how "good" something is that they're making, so it's completely their responsibility to copyright certain things or choose to give them away.
Kyle is probably the biggest drama queen in the producer community.
Imagine having to credit the creator of a LOOP you used from a free pack lmao. Kyle didn’t even have a hand in the finished beat. Transformative use of a loop. This is clickbait
imagine not even chopping or processing your own drums and callng yourself an artist and going on tour with it, shame
Imagine a world where beatmakers had to give credit for each aspect of a beat lol. “Beat prod me. Kick by Cookin Soul. Hi hat by Sonny Digital. Synth by…”
@@CE-ex2wgno rappers making their own beats.. none of em artists?
You legitimately said free. Video is pointless once you said free
You need to understand music sir
@purpl3ra1n You’re absolutely right. You can’t ask for a royalty free sample to be cleared. That’s ridiculous business practices.
Once he said “free” he loss everything. Done deal.
Free to use. Not for resale!
@@elissitdesign can’t resale something that is free.
its not free its the royalty free hat is the point
"My team of lawyers" - i sincerely despise these types.
New business model: Make a ton of random loops, give them all out for free, wait for someone to do all the work and make it a hit… Get paid!
Their producer slowed the sample down and threw sum drums on it and called it a day tf are u talkn about ? 😭
Did you watch the video? They didn't get paid.
Better business model: enjoy the process of creating music, get good at creating music, be a cool person, make connections to other cool, music creating people, create music. There's a one in a millions chance someone picks up your music and you'll make some real money from it.
@@reallyeffingcooltechnodudeOf course I watched the whole video. In the end, he’ll get a Plaque to recognize his contribution to the song. I took more offense to the title “stole”. OT didn’t steal anything. Another producer used it form a “FREE” pack and OT got it from him. If OT never picked it up, never would’ve seen the light of day. As Nas would say, they made it a hot loop, OT made it a damn hit! Not to discredit the creator but this likely took him less than an hour to make. It takes hours to lay down the verses, structure the beat around the lyrics and many more hours to mix and master the song. Now you make the video and promote the song. It was a hit with or without that beat. OT and Paul Wall have turned many instrumentals into HITS. To the credit of this channel and the producer of the track, they, as you mentioned, created a lifetime connection. Networking is key in this industry. OT made his track a hit and now he’ll get the recognition he deserves and hopefully will now have a way to support his family in a career I imagine he loves.
@@betIwrekk Stole is just there to sensationalize the title and get u to click it lol
Shittin on them is weird idc what angle u comin from bro.
So lie about and tarnish the reputation of the artist to get people to watch you? That’s what the law will call libel. I know why he did it. I guess just from a generation that believes in standing on your own merit. Not riding on the backs of others. Anyway, good conversation. I wish you and this channel nothing but success. God Bless!
Lmfao no way you don't reveal the loop was royalty free till the end, painted the producers in a bad light the whole video
So a royalty free sample… that a producer used as intended. How is that anyone’s fault🤣
u still need to credit the og producer
@@mveepb You don't. He released the product for public use. There is no chance at a copyright claim. He'd lose the legal battle.
@@SAwesome2 you do :3
@@OliveVeyahwas that what it said in the terms for use, if it wasnt then yh he doesnt actually have to credit
@@OliveVeyah If your "works" is sampled, you do. His producer pack, which was full of loops/samples for others TO USE, is not covered by the copyright. For example, for every song (they often use hundreds of samples to make a single song), you'd have to list the entire creative team for each sample as "writers" or "producers", and they'd all get compensation. "Samples" aren't just loops sampled from songs, every audio clip is a sample, and most of them aren't recorded by the producers - they are bought/downloaded for free. He released that pack for free, for use. He has no claim to it, the same way he doesn't cite every sample source from every song he puts out - he doesn't pay every sample creator either.
Him: “Here’s some free beats for you guys to use!”
Also him: “yooo wtf I need to contact my lawyer!”
Wait wait wait. It’s a free drum kit so what’s the big deal? I think “stole” is a strong word. Def would be cool to get some credit though!
There's always a Ts and Cs txt file included either in the pack or in the website 🤣
Bro free loops are free as long as you don't make profit. To use the beat for commercial use you have to buy or lease the beat that way the producer gets hits cut
Not really the wrong word, it is stolen as the free drum kit is only for non commercial use
it’s all about principle, paid for or free. you are still not the original creator of the piece, you are not the owner. the goal is to be transparent and give everyone credit and respect they deserve for their work on the record. it’s complex it’s not simple
Does no one know about how free for personal use is different from business use? Like if you use windows 11 for a pc at home it’s one thing, but if you take the same copy of windows 11 and install it on a shitload of office computers it’s illegal? Plus it seems more like he just wants there to be credit for his friend.
That was so refreshing to see how you, Mexican OT, and everyone involved handled this with class. In the end this is going to profit everyone!
Cuz it was all filmed. Bro really had the weakest take of all time w this vid. Ain’t this the dude who used to spam TH-cam with ads about his “free packs”
Now he wants royalties on that? Fym
If it's a free loop why can't it be used in any song? I legit don't know the legality behind I so I'm genuinely wanting to know lmao
Think u have to give credit even if it's free
It can be used, but the producer of the beat needs to be credited.
The producer and the beat need accredited, no matter free or not. It can be used in anything, but if it isn't credited properly, then the other "producer" could say it's his own original beat even tho it wasn't. It's just not right.
There doesn't necessarily need to be a payment made either, but most labels in good faith will give the original "producer" a decent cut as well as their name on the track.
There’s a different between free and royalty free
"One of my free drum kits"
As a lawyer who dabbles in IPR, it would have taken about 2 minutes to figure out there was 0 claim here 😅
Thank you
He told us there was no claim in the first minute lol Then spent the next 20 showing us him extorting him.
Bro, as an IP lawyer you should also know that royalty-free does allow for a person to use a copyrighted work without paying licensing fees but it doesn't exclude moral rights, i.e. being credit. Yeah he may not get paid, but there were certainly claims to be made.
Literally anyone can say they're an "IP lawyer" in TH-cam comments lol. This doesn't make your shitty opinion worth anything more
@@nopersona000 correct, hence the need for 2 minutes to review the license terms that waive moral rights.
Verdict: you now charge for a pack you used to give for free.
You didn’t get paid because you gave the pack away royalty free.
Damn, awkward.
Money hungry, tbh I'd try to get my bag aswell
It's in his Terms of service, imagine if you were defending Jay Z from using some little guys free loop.
just because you're ignorant and not the brightest, doesnt mean you should brag about it
it wasnt royalty free
@@CHEESEDADDY didn’t you watch the video?
They had to be cool in the conversations because Kyle is always filming everything😂.
Yea this is such a weak take lmao
Kyle trying to get OT caught up and OT is like bruh it was a free loop
so genuine. the producer seems so genuine. he deserves his pay.
That "Boss man" got me feeling like this was staged.
yeah why did the manager and the derez also said " hey boss man " in the same tone ☠
Tbh I’m tired of liars on the internet 😂‼️ it’s ridiculous
Boss man is highly used by a lot of people
@@tristc6909 i hear a lot of “ Boss “ living here in the UK, in the US its more like “ Fam , dude , boss , man “ but never “ Boss man “
let alone 2 random person who have nothing connected to say it back 2 back
@@randomperson8572 maybe it’s more common in my area, but I say “boss man” like every single day. Especially with like cashiers or something. Like when you get your bags at the store and you say “appreciate it boss man”
This isn't subject to any copyright claims, in my semi-educated opinion - I went to music college for audio engineering and music production, and took a few semesters of music/copyright law classes. Now, that doesn't make me a lawyer, but I have more than just an online search. If they sampled your song, or cut a loop out of published releases, that would be one thing. But he released a free sample/loop producer pack to the public - it is for public use. That is literally what the purpose of the pack being released was - to have other producers use it. In this case, I think it would be the same thing as you buying samples/loops, he just did it for free (self promotion).
This is almost like a form of entrapment. I'd bet that if this went to court, Kyle would lose.
EDIT: He released it as, free, and many are saying "royalty free." Now I've found a section in the website terms (listed nowhere near the purchase or product provided) that specifically lists
"Royalty free is applicable only to songs under 5,000,000 streams, anything above 5,000,000 streams must be cleared with original creator."
So basically, they wrote in a clause/exception for "Royalty Free" so that they could list it as royalty free but still make money/get credit for it if it was successful. Under 5 Mill streams wouldn't profit much. I'd argue that is false advertising, if nothing else. I'm unsure of precedents but I think it is fairly inaccessible and misleading.
Yep. Entrapment for sure. I would change the title to this video though.
the packs come with terms and conditions. he didnt even get credited for the beat at all. one could assume the producer made it himself, not even from a pack. i dont even think it would have been that big of a deal if he simply credited him.
@@luigifan322 once you slap a free to use to something, don’t expect anything in return. It’s the basis for FREE!
When you get the beat it's free as long as you don't use it to make profit. If you want to use it for commercial release you need to buy or lease the beat. I'm a producer too
You can't use it for COMMERCIAL use. Using it to make a track, and sing in the bar or something is one thing. There are terms you agree to. Kyle would win most likely due to that fact it was commercially made.
You had your lawyers ready just in case it got messy???? You said that shit was FREE!!!
Terms of services
Read the law pedro.
Yeah free for non-commercial use dummy.
It’s not free ANYMORE CAUSE THAT LOOP MADE A SONG PLATINUM
@@outsomnia You mean the same law that shows that Royalty Free copyright status means that you as the customer do not need to credit or pay royalties? Those same laws? That he himself said he applied his works under? Crazy. Its almost as if he is just upset he didn't get paid for work he didn't even do.
This is a great story. Respect to the team, they were professional and you can't help but root for everyone. Music is hard work.
Releasing the sample as royalty free, then trying to hit them up for money and implying that they did something wrong is pretty scummy.
It is kinda scummy to take someone’s work and not even credit them
Not when no one was credited and the requirements to use the loop are not being followed
you need to read the fine print in the tos on the site (section 5 to be specific).It's royalty free until you hit a certain amount of streams or purchases (of course you would never know if you meet that criteria until it happens so ig if you wanna save legwork and avoid being accused of stealing after the fact assume this guys loops are not royalty free. Would be nice if they bothered to include tos within the pack or be more transparent about these predatory business decisions but alas.
i agree, i really dont see the issue here for real. like putting out free sample packs, and then you want credit as a producer?
Facts
Honestly shoutout to OTs team for even responding. Most new cats would ignore that shiz and block them. Then in most cases the new producer doesn’t have the resources to sue to get his cut.
Facts
OT seems like an understandable guy
well even if he did sue he's not entitled to anything. it was a royalty free pack, I could use this beat if i wanted and theres nothing he can do about it
@@ang_nguyn 💯
Brandon OT really impressed me from the get-go. Very professional and very good attitude. Thanks for putting out this video, definitely helps give us more insight into how to approach such issues. Thanks Kyle
OT's team was super chill about the whole thing. actually made me more of a fan after watching. they real ones!
I don’t understand how you put out a sample for free use then try to get paid when someone uses it
The loops are free to download but does not mean you own the loops.
Unless the loops are marked as royalty free by the owner of the loops you must seek clearance, you can’t just use a loops and sell the masters to the loop without permission.
Free beat packs are often intended for non-profit use, such as for practicing or recording before making an investment. They may not be able to be distributed, performed, radio streamed, or monetized in any way. If you want to use a beat for commercial purposes, you may need to purchase a license from the producer.
Bro first u gotta give credit and its not free for distribution u still gotta pay for royalties
the main goal was being credited. a platinum record that has it's main melody being your creative content without any hint of credit toward you is a pretty big deal.
This felt like a net flix special much less a youtube video. The production the editing the way you telling these stories now are so dope and clean. As entertaining as this was i also felt it was a good lesrning experience. Kinda gives you an idea on how to handle yourself in these type of situations. Not everything always has to be about securing the bag. Sometimes building new relationships can be much more valuable in the long run.
Well done kyle, handled this with class. Much respect and congrats to darez on becoming a plat producer!
Lol get his dxcx out yo mouth
Was confused the whole time bc said it was free from beginning so... Title was click bait.. USED* not stolen
So he stole it even tho it's "free" ?😂 I'm at 0:46 and I'm stopping the video. This is some corny ass shit 💀
That’s why I don’t touch loops out of producer packs… Next time don’t call it a “Free Pack”…
so you released a FREE DRUM KIT and someone used it and it blew up & so now... "ITS STOLEN!". crazy despicable work
Yeah. It’s pretty slimy when he said, let me call my “lawyers”.
@@imonaroll9502 Just shows how much you don't know about law, let alone music industry.
free kits are not for commercial use you agree to it when you download it
Free for non commercial use. That's very standard for anything loops or beats. For example if you search type bests, they are all advertised as free without commercial use, so if you used that beat and it blew up and made money, it would no longer qualify for free usage and you'd have to pay up. Same way if you use that beat in a TH-cam video and that blew up, you'd owe money even though it's labeled as "free". Every producer, artist, etc knows this.
@@serialistic4321 wrong bro; i'm sure he's a student specializing in intellectual property law at Yale
After watching the video the word 'stole' just pisses me off in the title . Mexican OT looks and seems like a very humble person from all the interviews ive seen him on and thats just trying to burn his name.
He but air quotes on the word stole bro. That clearly means it's debatable. Nobody is hurting anyone's name. Both sides are good people.
Bro got a million views and still didnt give his homie shit but a picture frame with Aladdin on it 💀💀💀💀FAKEEE
Bro hating 😂😭get a life go touch grass.
Hey dummy, he said the plaque was in the process of being made and it "takes some time" 🤪🤣 Maybe if the bottom screen had Temple Run going, you'd have been able to pay attention.
Bro it’s a free kid, stop click baiting with stole my beat. Grow up
Free download not Royalty free for re sell
@@pitchbuckets2860 but its absolutely generic. basic stuff...
@@pitchbuckets2860 The term "royalty free" implies that you won't be responsible for paying royalty fees when you license music or media.
Hes showing u a progress, u should respect this for him being real and talking bout this. U must be a kid producer
Circling back to 5 years ago wit da quote "trust da process"...GOLD...Nah. PLATINUM💯
It's free until someone makes money off it then all the rats wanna come and take a bite of the cheese 🧀😂
That’s how it works…you can’t take a free beat and make money off of it💀
Why can you get paid off someone else’s work but they are rats for wanting to get paid for their work lol? Listen to your self…
What are you even saying? 😂 You sound dumb dude
@@fatdan172501 because they sold it to you... AHHHH I get it. Wow, you got a doomsday coming to you! Dude, they're going to get rid of taxes here in a few years and you're going to be so confused. "But I own a barn! The government is letting me use their land, don't they want my money?" The purchase was made. You made the purchase to try to beat out all of the losers that wanted to make a hit. No one made a hit. Kyle got thousands from them. Wow, you made a hit, Kyle is happy for your the purchase. GAME OVER. YOU WON THE GAME.
@@Musicphilsgood not one part of that incoherent babble made a lick of sense, stfu lol.
If I made a hit off a free track I am ABSOLUTELY breaking the producer off. That’s insane regardless of the situation .
Yeah the music industry is shady AF 😂
Yeah but I think this proves it doesn't have to be
It was the producer fault for not disclosing he used a loop when this originally happened he should of credited him it's not OT fault at all
@@kwestpearson4040 Wrong, it was a sample/loop pack released for public use, for free, by this dood. Then people use his free sample packs and he essentially pushes them into a corner saying that they are going to claim it...pretty sure that's not even legally viable....That'd be the music equivalent of entrapment.
@@kwestpearson4040they call that oversight though fam, no one saying he meant to but he accepted stolen goods.
i mean brandon was cool asf and there was no ill intent for greg either
Bro, womp womp, it was a free pack, he didnt need no permission from you and didnt need to pay a single cent.
fr if the song wasn’t viral he would have done nothing… 😭😂
@@thenioantowithout the beat it wouldn’t of been viral, y’all make no fucking sense, you want money for work that wasn’t yours lol.
you need to read the fine print in the tos on the site (section 5 to be specific).It's royalty free until you hit a certain amount of streams or purchases (of course you would never know if you meet that criteria until it happens so ig if you wanna save legwork and avoid being accused of stealing after the fact assume this guys loops are not royalty free. Would be nice if they bothered to include tos within the pack or be more transparent about these predatory business decisions but alas.
It’s shitty when they say free and it’s not I’m not rich or viral by any means and they copyright strike my songs. I get it make my own or buy it but you see…live and learn
When the free drop kit is not actually FREE😂😂😂...
Edit: Oh wait.. guess not!. Would of been cool if they got em like 10 stacks at the very least... Imo
they never are royalty free are the true free ones most free ones are for personal use not for commercial
@@PickDeath finish watching the video bruh
@@Insanelyrical Thats because it was a beat from a long time ago "Before" what the sites you run across now... Most "Free" beats or loops are free but there's always that paywall hidden in the small print... I almost bet they changed all those older "Free" beats with an updated clause attached at the bottom...
@@killerkat riiiiight...
Bro talkin' bout Lawyers for Free Loops.... Bruv.... Never usin' free loops now...🤣🤣
u can still use them; just not Kyle’s cuz he’ll come after u 💀 💀