Mills should have been off the case the moment they found that photo of him... it was a clear indicator that he might be a potential target. He & his wife should've packed up and left town for a few weeks, or at least until the case was solved.
Really immersed you into the disturbing persona that was John Doe. Excellent mise-en-scene. The minute they stepped into the apartment, they were in John Doe's head
Maybe they just thought doe was interested in them following him and didn't really consider them targets probably what they thought until it was too late.
@Jonathan Birch Yeah, and his plan for the film was sabotaged at every turn by the studio. They'd already gone through two directors and something like four writers, they brought Fincher on and threw money at him and said "turn this sinking ship into something we can put on screen, for the love of god."
I love the musical ambience from 0:41 onward -- as if the detectives were walking through unhallowed ground. John Doe's apartment is a place reeking with obsession and misery.
@@maloperverso8118 Well actually I don't remember what else 😅 I guess they should take clue when he let Mills live, then he announced that his plans had changed. I mean, it was kinda obvious, for a detective at least.
In the first third of the film, both policemen investigate separately. Mills inspects some photos, while Sommerset reads some books. At the end of the second third of the film, both policemen do the exact same thing in Doe's apartment.
Mills as a detective should have realized and remembered every interaction he had with the photographer, including the "M-I-L-L-S, f*ck off!" the second he saw his pict. He literally gave his death sentence to John Doe
I always remember certain films where people go into the homes of crazy people. There's this one Se7en, and some others I recall being deplorable are the trailer park home in Zodiac, the room for the killer in 8mm, the house for David Ferry in JFK, and then of course Buffalo Bill's basement...
0:56 John Doe preserving something on the crimes he commited Canned Spaghetti sauce (representing Gluttony) Law Books (representing the self mutilated Greed Victim the Lawyer) The Amputated hand( from the Sloth Victim) The Receipt from the leather shop where the murder weapon for *LUST* were created
You’d think after seeing photos of himself developing in the bathtub Mills would have taken precautions and perhaps moved his wife somewhere safe as the killer was clearly interested in him 🤷🏻♂️
Well his character is brash and kinda stupid, besides he thought those photos were from the random journalist that he shooed out of the stairwell. So Im assuming he believed that the journo was the killer, not that he was being stalked. I could be wrong but those photos looked exactly like the time he yelled at that guy in the stairwell. Or at least the first picture was anyway.
@3:12 I remember as soon I saw the photos soaking in the chemicals I was shocked from finally knowing they had him but didn’t even notice or think about it like Mills and Somerset, great scene btw
This movie came out in 1995. The same year as The Usual Suspects. Another thrilling crime drama. And in both movies, Kevin Spacey plays a villain who wins.
Hi, Have a look here, www.finewoodworking.com/2006/09/01/the-h-o-studley-tool-chest I don't think it's the same toolbox, but surely a period copy or variant thereof. I don't think it was used to break in his victims homes. I think it's setdressing because it looks great, interesting and they are trying to show off his sophisticated and refined nature. " He doesn't just use a cheap knockoff woodworking chest, he uses a vintage gentleman's woodworking chest..." Haha
I just realized we see the aftermath of many brutal murders in this movie but we never once SEE the killer show even a HINT of aggression besides running and shooting behind him. Can you even imagine Kevin committing these ultra violent crimes? 😂
@@vksasdgaming9472 I mean Spacey sells it well he did great. But they never show it for a reason, he would look out of place overpowering all those victims. Buffalo Bill actually looked like he could overpower and torture some people.
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It is like they are walking around in a physical manifestation of his mind.
usually the case in every persons home
Couldn't have stated it better
Riddler's apartment
Mills should have been off the case the moment they found that photo of him... it was a clear indicator that he might be a potential target. He & his wife should've packed up and left town for a few weeks, or at least until the case was solved.
A masterpiece of set design.
Really immersed you into the disturbing persona that was John Doe. Excellent mise-en-scene. The minute they stepped into the apartment, they were in John Doe's head
Gabriel Idusogie Same thing with Nicholas Van Orton’s mansion in The Game. Fincher is a detail freak.
Yeah it didn’t feel cheap at all. It was creepy that everything was obviously used for ill intent yet it was all meticulously arranged and organized.
@@itsbmeGaming Psychopaths are known for their methodical thinking and attention to detail.
@@AstonishingSodApe I see you everywhere Its crazy bro
I don’t know, a little paint, a couple of throw pillows...
I kinda like it the way it is; it has a nice dark charm to it.
I figure s pink flamingo wouldn't be amiss.
Lmfao😂😂😂😂and April O'Neil
the fact mills photos was in this apartment. they should realise Mills was one of John Doe's next target.
yeah
Maybe they just thought doe was interested in them following him and didn't really consider them targets probably what they thought until it was too late.
For which deadly sin?
@@KT-ed8hjWrath
@@KT-ed8hj Did you not see the ending ?
I honestly think David Fincher can easily direct horror films if he wanted to. This and the gluttony scene felt creepy as hell
Honestly dude. Did someone really doubt it?
@Jonathan Birch Yeah, and his plan for the film was sabotaged at every turn by the studio. They'd already gone through two directors and something like four writers, they brought Fincher on and threw money at him and said "turn this sinking ship into something we can put on screen, for the love of god."
And the Sloth scene was a happy scene full of rainbows and unicorns
I love the musical ambience from 0:41 onward -- as if the detectives were walking through unhallowed ground. John Doe's apartment is a place reeking with obsession and misery.
He really gave them enough clues for the Wrath victim and they ignored it 100%
Like What!?
Please Elaborate!
@@maloperverso8118 As they write in comments, there were Mill's photos in the apartment etc
@@vedraville What's the etc.!?
Cause the Room's Pretty Dark, and I only got a Smartphone, can't see much....
@@maloperverso8118 Well actually I don't remember what else 😅 I guess they should take clue when he let Mills live, then he announced that his plans had changed. I mean, it was kinda obvious, for a detective at least.
Imagine if he failed at being a serial killer because that giant neon crucifix was destroying his sleep patterns.
He was a madman living alone in a medieval dungeon slicing his fingers and writing notebooks. This is frightening insanity.
that's what I'm doing at this moment
It's perfectly normal for many
In the first third of the film, both policemen investigate separately. Mills inspects some photos, while Sommerset reads some books. At the end of the second third of the film, both policemen do the exact same thing in Doe's apartment.
Mills as a detective should have realized and remembered every interaction he had with the photographer, including the "M-I-L-L-S, f*ck off!" the second he saw his pict.
He literally gave his death sentence to John Doe
I always remember certain films where people go into the homes of crazy people. There's this one Se7en, and some others I recall being deplorable are the trailer park home in Zodiac, the room for the killer in 8mm, the house for David Ferry in JFK, and then of course Buffalo Bill's basement...
Half the places they visit in True Detective.
Is John really crazy though? That's the whole point of the movie.
@@mihirengg19 Non-crazy people don't craft elaborate murder plots and obsessively stalk people.
This is basically the house Tyler Durden lives in.
0:56 John Doe preserving something on the crimes he commited
Canned Spaghetti sauce (representing Gluttony)
Law Books (representing the self mutilated Greed Victim the Lawyer)
The Amputated hand( from the Sloth Victim)
The Receipt from the leather shop where the murder weapon for *LUST* were created
The clues to lust being next were all right there. They should've immediately started a search party the moment they found the clues.
Wouldn't mind getting in contact with John's decorator
:58 seconds. “Pedophile freed by defense lawyer” ....Cans if spaghetti sauce...pasta...Kevin Spacey...🤯 David Fincher tried to tell us.
Bruh that’s wild 🤦🏽♂️ 🤯
What does pasta have to do with it though?
it looks like Marilyn Manson's apartment.
You’d think after seeing photos of himself developing in the bathtub Mills would have taken precautions and perhaps moved his wife somewhere safe as the killer was clearly interested in him 🤷🏻♂️
Well his character is brash and kinda stupid, besides he thought those photos were from the random journalist that he shooed out of the stairwell. So Im assuming he believed that the journo was the killer, not that he was being stalked. I could be wrong but those photos looked exactly like the time he yelled at that guy in the stairwell. Or at least the first picture was anyway.
@3:12 I remember as soon I saw the photos soaking in the chemicals I was shocked from finally knowing they had him but didn’t even notice or think about it like Mills and Somerset, great scene btw
Great music too.
I have seen a room painted black. Not a good feeling.
Apartment iz Fire especially the parts with the 2000 plus notebooks handwritten
I like it.
Who's here after The Batman?
Me. Love how they clearly drew inspiration from this scene when looking in the Riddler’s apartment. That whole movie was very Fincher-esque
Even the writer of Se7en admire The Batman for paying homage to it
Shut up and take my money
The people who made the diary for the film said there was real suicide note in the book with tears on it
This movie came out in 1995. The same year as The Usual Suspects. Another thrilling crime drama. And in both movies, Kevin Spacey plays a villain who wins.
What are those tools at the beginning of the entrance to his apartment. 🤔🤔🤔
The Rain ☔ makes it better
Really loved this scene in The Batman
i would like to have john does apartment...with out the trophy's and religious iconography.
Best soundtrack ever
0:09 still trying to find out what all that equipment was? I’m still thinking it’s to break into his victims homes/offices anybody have a clue??
Hi,
Have a look here,
www.finewoodworking.com/2006/09/01/the-h-o-studley-tool-chest
I don't think it's the same toolbox, but surely a period copy or variant thereof. I don't think it was used to break in his victims homes.
I think it's setdressing because it looks great, interesting and they are trying to show off his sophisticated and refined nature. " He doesn't just use a cheap knockoff woodworking chest, he uses a vintage gentleman's woodworking chest..." Haha
It's quite small, Studley's Magnum opus
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It's a woodworkers tool box. Bench planes, spokeshaves, chisels, etc. Standards amongst woodworkers.
I always thought that was stuff he beat himself with or something lol
1:19
i freaking LOVE all the notebooks.
I just realized we see the aftermath of many brutal murders in this movie but we never once SEE the killer show even a HINT of aggression besides running and shooting behind him. Can you even imagine Kevin committing these ultra violent crimes? 😂
Actually before the climax he gets agitated in police car. He obviously can be very sadistic and violent when he wants to be.
@@vksasdgaming9472 I mean Spacey sells it well he did great. But they never show it for a reason, he would look out of place overpowering all those victims. Buffalo Bill actually looked like he could overpower and torture some people.
Real life Kevin Spacey could do this
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@@roketlunchcer go away
@@mrpuggamer0125 go away
hey could you turn the volume down a bit its too loud