The biggest mistake that AP made was hiring Getsy and allowing him to change from power block scheme to zone block scheme. Turner has the O looking much better and he has his hands tied because he is using the Getsy playbook.
AP was in on the interview, but his boss Telesco finalized the hiring. Now I know Telesco is given a mulligan because of this draft class. But Getsy Hiring was on both of them. 1st off, nobody has any business hiring anyone from Chicago. But the one clear fact about this Org is Champ & The Scouting Staff for the Raiders is the best they have had in the last 15 yrs. Telesco is like QB to much credit for some things and not enough for other things. Tellesco Draft with Champ A+, Free Agency D- , Getsy with F - - . I they Draft like last yr 1. BOWERS 1. Travis Hunter 2nd QB or trade back into 1st for QB . Then all good
@@leonhughes5332 I agree with what you say. The Getsy hiring was the single biggest mistake the organization made. But at the time of the hiring, I often wonder who else was available. When Kingsbury moved on to the Commanders I can't help but wonder who headlined the leftover pile. Was Getsy the best available in a pile of rejects and has beens who had previous OC experience? Who knows--no one ever shares that list with the fan base. That is why I credit AP for firing Getsy when he did. I think AP deserves another year with a real OC and a promising rookie QB to pair with AOC. He deserves the benefit of doubt and I think the fans should cool the "get rid of AP" talk. We can't keep swapping out coaching staffs year after year, especially when there is no certain guarantee the new guy you bring in will fare any better. Nope! We ride with AP in 2025.
@KurtAlbers I agree with calming down the firing of AP. I think Scott Turner should have been evaluated better , I think Texas Tech QB coach should have gotten a interview. MIami and Alabama OC's also. There offenses that are inovativ3 allowing the running game and the passing game to evolve and if you do change over to a Rookie QB then the transition is faster and more effective. NFL 49ers QB Coach, Packers QB coach , Steal from.Andy Ried staff . My other question is why did they wait so long to fire Getsy . Running plays in Training camp are always better than real games . AOC & Minshew were QB rating on a good 58 & 59 then Turner comes in and AOC comes back and he something like 126 QB Rating almost perfect outside the hash marks which really helped Bowers who was already all world. Looked like a 1st yr HOFER . He dominated space and coverage and in KC's Def. Also opening up the running game. Literally you fire Getsy week 2 ok 4 were talking playoffs. Thanks to Getsy Suicide Hotlines are getting Overtime. We're forming which hunts , it's raining dogs and cats and it Armageddon in Raiders Land.
@@leonhughes5332part of the problem was a two week delay hiring AP, and then there was a delay hiring Telesco. The draft was getting closer so i think they rushed into Getsy. There is someone in the organization other than MD pulling strings. That is the problem.
I want AP and turner to succeed for continuity because i hate the idea of a new coach coming in and changing systems/schemes and then turning the roster over to get " HIS" players. I think Graham and the Defense can be good if we can get our guys back. Missing 5 starters on the D is not something you can overcome
@@DennisBreunig BING!! We’re the most unstable-inconsistent team in the NFL. We have so many spirits and philosophies of coaches and GM past floating around the organization. Let’s stop the revolving door for at least 3-4 seasons for once and see what happens!
Dennis...I couldn't agree more.i said this a couple weeks ago.if Mark decides to let AP go,you name Norv HC.i have alot of confidence in Norv & son.thats the move you make,and for the same reasons you mentioned.any new head coach you bring in would change everything.i think Norv would be a perfect fit.
The tank idea is crazy! You will never find out what players are good passionate or of value and who the scrubs are if you start “tanking.” They need to ball out until the season is over so we know what we have and need. We have to pick the best player available(more broc picks), trade up if there is a QB/player we absolutely want (ie the pat mohomes trade)or pick the best available player that fits a need.
Well maybe they shouldn't have prematurely snapped the football for a fumble and ended any chance Carlson had of nailing a 50 yarder to win the game. Had he been able to do that, we wouldn't be talking about any of this today.
Raiders cant risk having AP back. That fire from the team we saw last year with him at the helm, it just isnt the same. The interim honeymoon period is real.
You don’t mention being down 5-6 starters on defense. You don’t mention the coordinator he picked for the job backed out last minute and is having an awesome year. You don’t mention the quarterback he wanted to go up and trade for is balling out. He can’t help no one wanted to trade down. You don’t mention how the team still has his back. Doesn’t seem like you have a very informed opinion tbh… fair weather fans not welcome here
@@Raid3rNation94AP drove Adams out. AP with his business decisions public comments was rough. Obviously that was the last straw for Adams. AP saying the Raiders are the worst team in the NFL was terrible. He publicly said that. AP seems clueless at times. Obviously he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, but fans, players, media basically demanded his hiring and Mr Davis really had no choice. They’ve lost 8 strait. It’s been 2 months since they’ve won a damn game. AP lost the KC game himself. It’s very likely the Raiders will end the year on a 13 game losing streak. No fuckin way you keep AP. Impossible.
@@Raid3rNation94 AP has nothing to do with the defense. That's Patrick Graham and he is doing a great job. AP has cost the Raiders at least three wins through bad management. ALSO...AP hired Getsy. Doesn't matter what your argument is, he hired him. AP didn't draft anyone, Telesco did. AP is a liability. AP drove Adams out.
Exactly. Raiders record and play be a lot different if we didn’t have Getsy as OC. We be playing for something. Now it’s too late. Now both my kids say they’re not raiders fans because they always lose. Born and raised as raiders fans but all they know is the team losing. I tell them like whatever you like but I understand and tried to bring them into the Nation. Hopefully things turn around and see consistency
If you can’t see the end of the game mismanagement by the “HC” and the OC go back and watch the end of the game again. AOC didn’t spike the ball with all the time left on his own. How can a Super Bowl winning player not have a clue about clock management. AP should be fired 15 minutes after the last game regardless of what happens in the next 5 games.
i think part of the problem are some of the lame excuses we get on wrong calls, from we didnt have that camera angle (that we can see at home, 1 was that angle was not in every stadium so we cant use it) or that part of the play that we can all see is not reviewable (a few weeks ago obvious call to negate the play but 1 part was not reviewable are you kidding me)
22:04 people forget Andy Reid was on 2 teams before landing in KC. In Philadelphia, they lost a couple conference championship games because of some bad game management decisions. Ultimately that's why he was let go. Comes to KC and you never see those mistakes
All that’s true except the last bit. Living in KC, have a lot of friends that are Chiefs fans and many were very loud about his clock/game management issues early on in KC. One impatient idiot insisted he still needed to be fired after he’d won a Chiefs SuperBowl. Said Mahomes needed a better coach to reach his potential. 😂
@ he was 3-13-1 his first season moving on from the Matt Patricia era and the built the team to what you see now. AP will do the same if given the opportunity.
@ AP is not Campbell. Detroit had zero talent. I don’t recall Dan publicly indulging his players and saying the Lions were the worst team in the NFL. Detroit simply had no talent. But I doubt AP gets fired unless Tommy Brady fires him, which is very possible. Tommy will be able to tell if AP has it or not.
@ what do you mean no talent…he had the same QB, same Oline, same young defense in 2021 each year they added pieces like AP will do if given the opportunity.
Hondo, with respect, what is the point of asking is The Suit agrees there needs to more to ensure the integrity of the game? You'll just get boilerplate. Why tell him about the email showing three times officiating errors benefited KC this season alone -- and THEN ask him to explain why more does not need to be done to ensure the integrity of the game.
AP seems like a very likable guy but the guy is terrible at managing a game, I mean terrible. He’s made some bad decisions but this last game really showed how bad he is. He’s probably worse than Brandon Staley and I hope we don’t have to see any more of it next season.
@mikesauce717 😂😅🤡.. Andy Reid- 3 time Super Bowl head coach. Antonio Pierce- 2-10 and his team has been losing by ten plus points in every game. Very good comparison.
You picked 9 wins for this team. We haven't won 1 division game. At least be honest and say that APs coaching this year ranks in the bottom of the league like our record. As far as AOC they botched that from the beginning. For those we SS or CW are gonna come in here and make magic good luck with that. 💀☠🖤
@@JayMac-t1cwhat someone asked for advice and he gave advice on how to be a good dad. I know you’re probably a dead beat or have no kids but you can just skip the video because it’s obvious the only part that made you mad was the fact he mentioned the Lord. But for some reason atheists get so bent and pissy over a being they don’t even believe in 😂
The biggest mistake that AP made was hiring Getsy and allowing him to change from power block scheme to zone block scheme. Turner has the O looking much better and he has his hands tied because he is using the Getsy playbook.
AP was in on the interview, but his boss Telesco finalized the hiring. Now I know Telesco is given a mulligan because of this draft class. But Getsy Hiring was on both of them. 1st off, nobody has any business hiring anyone from Chicago. But the one clear fact about this Org is Champ & The Scouting Staff for the Raiders is the best they have had in the last 15 yrs. Telesco is like QB to much credit for some things and not enough for other things. Tellesco Draft with Champ A+, Free Agency D- , Getsy with F - - . I they Draft like last yr 1. BOWERS 1. Travis Hunter 2nd QB or trade back into 1st for QB . Then all good
@@leonhughes5332 I agree with what you say. The Getsy hiring was the single biggest mistake the organization made. But at the time of the hiring, I often wonder who else was available. When Kingsbury moved on to the Commanders I can't help but wonder who headlined the leftover pile. Was Getsy the best available in a pile of rejects and has beens who had previous OC experience? Who knows--no one ever shares that list with the fan base. That is why I credit AP for firing Getsy when he did. I think AP deserves another year with a real OC and a promising rookie QB to pair with AOC. He deserves the benefit of doubt and I think the fans should cool the "get rid of AP" talk. We can't keep swapping out coaching staffs year after year, especially when there is no certain guarantee the new guy you bring in will fare any better. Nope! We ride with AP in 2025.
@KurtAlbers I agree with calming down the firing of AP. I think Scott Turner should have been evaluated better , I think Texas Tech QB coach should have gotten a interview. MIami and Alabama OC's also. There offenses that are inovativ3 allowing the running game and the passing game to evolve and if you do change over to a Rookie QB then the transition is faster and more effective. NFL 49ers QB Coach, Packers QB coach , Steal from.Andy Ried staff . My other question is why did they wait so long to fire Getsy . Running plays in Training camp are always better than real games . AOC & Minshew were QB rating on a good 58 & 59 then Turner comes in and AOC comes back and he something like 126 QB Rating almost perfect outside the hash marks which really helped Bowers who was already all world. Looked like a 1st yr HOFER . He dominated space and coverage and in KC's Def. Also opening up the running game. Literally you fire Getsy week 2 ok 4 were talking playoffs. Thanks to Getsy Suicide Hotlines are getting Overtime. We're forming which hunts , it's raining dogs and cats and it Armageddon in Raiders Land.
@@leonhughes5332part of the problem was a two week delay hiring AP, and then there was a delay hiring Telesco. The draft was getting closer so i think they rushed into Getsy. There is someone in the organization other than MD pulling strings. That is the problem.
Turner has more OC experience than Getsy! Am I wrong? If not, it's inexplicable as to why they would hire Getsy. Goofy decisions time after time.
I want AP and turner to succeed for continuity because i hate the idea of a new coach coming in and changing systems/schemes and then turning the roster over to get " HIS" players. I think Graham and the Defense can be good if we can get our guys back. Missing 5 starters on the D is not something you can overcome
@@DennisBreunig BING!! We’re the most unstable-inconsistent team in the NFL. We have so many spirits and philosophies of coaches and GM past floating around the organization. Let’s stop the revolving door for at least 3-4 seasons for once and see what happens!
Dennis...I couldn't agree more.i said this a couple weeks ago.if Mark decides to let AP go,you name Norv HC.i have alot of confidence in Norv & son.thats the move you make,and for the same reasons you mentioned.any new head coach you bring in would change everything.i think Norv would be a perfect fit.
I wouldn’t be mad to see AOC cook and draft hunter and build
If he balls out the rest of the year with Scott Turner I’m good with that
If he balls out we won’t be able to get Hunter he’ll be gone 30 minutes after the start of the draft 😂
The tank idea is crazy! You will never find out what players are good passionate or of value and who the scrubs are if you start “tanking.” They need to ball out until the season is over so we know what we have and need. We have to pick the best player available(more broc picks), trade up if there is a QB/player we absolutely want (ie the pat mohomes trade)or pick the best available player that fits a need.
terrible idea man. We need a qb
@ we need the right QB and most importantly WE need an Oline that a QB can succeed behind with weapons.
The extra 3rd round draft pick for Adam's is going to make 2 high 3rd round draft picks. Get hunter..and more o line
On Friday we saw the false start call by the ref at the snap always kills the play immediately unless you fumble against kc rule
Mark said back in oct that ap learning and it takes time
they shouldnt have spiked it with 15 seconds left, Aidan should have waited till 4 to 3 seconds
Well maybe they shouldn't have prematurely snapped the football for a fumble and ended any chance Carlson had of nailing a 50 yarder to win the game. Had he been able to do that, we wouldn't be talking about any of this today.
@@KurtAlbersyeah but the line judge signaled dead ball and false start at the snap. There's no play there anyway
Raiders cant risk having AP back. That fire from the team we saw last year with him at the helm, it just isnt the same. The interim honeymoon period is real.
You don’t mention being down 5-6 starters on defense. You don’t mention the coordinator he picked for the job backed out last minute and is having an awesome year. You don’t mention the quarterback he wanted to go up and trade for is balling out. He can’t help no one wanted to trade down. You don’t mention how the team still has his back. Doesn’t seem like you have a very informed opinion tbh… fair weather fans not welcome here
@@Raid3rNation94AP drove Adams out. AP with his business decisions public comments was rough. Obviously that was the last straw for Adams. AP saying the Raiders are the worst team in the NFL was terrible. He publicly said that. AP seems clueless at times. Obviously he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, but fans, players, media basically demanded his hiring and Mr Davis really had no choice. They’ve lost 8 strait. It’s been 2 months since they’ve won a damn game. AP lost the KC game himself. It’s very likely the Raiders will end the year on a 13 game losing streak. No fuckin way you keep AP. Impossible.
I agree with everything you said 100%
@@Raid3rNation94 AP has nothing to do with the defense. That's Patrick Graham and he is doing a great job. AP has cost the Raiders at least three wins through bad management.
ALSO...AP hired Getsy. Doesn't matter what your argument is, he hired him. AP didn't draft anyone, Telesco did. AP is a liability. AP drove Adams out.
Exactly. Raiders record and play be a lot different if we didn’t have Getsy as OC. We be playing for something. Now it’s too late. Now both my kids say they’re not raiders fans because they always lose. Born and raised as raiders fans but all they know is the team losing. I tell them like whatever you like but I understand and tried to bring them into the Nation. Hopefully things turn around and see consistency
Games aren’t fixed. But I definitely think they can be manipulated in certain situations.
If you can’t see the end of the game mismanagement by the “HC” and the OC go back and watch the end of the game again. AOC didn’t spike the ball with all the time left on his own. How can a Super Bowl winning player not have a clue about clock management. AP should be fired 15 minutes after the last game regardless of what happens in the next 5 games.
Good guys finish last.
i think part of the problem are some of the lame excuses we get on wrong calls, from we didnt have that camera angle (that we can see at home, 1 was that angle was not in every stadium so we cant use it) or that part of the play that we can all see is not reviewable (a few weeks ago obvious call to negate the play but 1 part was not reviewable are you kidding me)
I feel like I watch this waiting for good, direct questions and this was poor, I say this kindly.
20:30 Sounds like someplace I know.
Fire AP. Don’t draft a QB in the first round.
22:04 people forget Andy Reid was on 2 teams before landing in KC. In Philadelphia, they lost a couple conference championship games because of some bad game management decisions. Ultimately that's why he was let go. Comes to KC and you never see those mistakes
All that’s true except the last bit. Living in KC, have a lot of friends that are Chiefs fans and many were very loud about his clock/game management issues early on in KC. One impatient idiot insisted he still needed to be fired after he’d won a Chiefs SuperBowl. Said Mahomes needed a better coach to reach his potential. 😂
Hondo you are not going to blow any bodies mind only your predictions
If they give him a chance and let him build the team in his image, AP WILL BE THE NEXT DAN CAMPBELL STORY IN THE NFL!
These comps with AP and Dan Campbell are hilarious.
@ he was 3-13-1 his first season moving on from the Matt Patricia era and the built the team to what you see now. AP will do the same if given the opportunity.
@ AP is not Campbell. Detroit had zero talent. I don’t recall Dan publicly indulging his players and saying the Lions were the worst team in the NFL. Detroit simply had no talent. But I doubt AP gets fired unless Tommy Brady fires him, which is very possible. Tommy will be able to tell if AP has it or not.
@ what do you mean no talent…he had the same QB, same Oline, same young defense in 2021 each year they added pieces like AP will do if given the opportunity.
@ and if the fire AP we’ll be right back here singing the same blues due to inconsistency at the coaching position.
Hondo, with respect, what is the point of asking is The Suit agrees there needs to more to ensure the integrity of the game? You'll just get boilerplate. Why tell him about the email showing three times officiating errors benefited KC this season alone -- and THEN ask him to explain why more does not need to be done to ensure the integrity of the game.
AP seems like a very likable guy but the guy is terrible at managing a game, I mean terrible. He’s made some bad decisions but this last game really showed how bad he is. He’s probably worse than Brandon Staley and I hope we don’t have to see any more of it next season.
What about that bad time management from Andy Reid...i see week after week coaches doing tge same thing as AP...
@mikesauce717 😂😅🤡..
Andy Reid- 3 time Super Bowl head coach.
Antonio Pierce- 2-10 and his team has been losing by ten plus points in every game.
Very good comparison.
I tend to agree but I do not remember him making so many mistakes last year as the interim coach. Does he have too many advisors??
@JMK1982-h4c i see week after week coaches doing the same thing including Andy reid....
@@JMK1982-h4c Dude really just compared AP to Reid. 😂 Wow! 🤦🏻♂️
And made the OC staff.AP
You picked 9 wins for this team. We haven't won 1 division game. At least be honest and say that APs coaching this year ranks in the bottom of the league like our record. As far as AOC they botched that from the beginning. For those we SS or CW are gonna come in here and make magic good luck with that. 💀☠🖤
Alot of people picked this team to be alot better, because there are good players here with bad coaching
Reggie white got out of Philadelphia because of Norman Bremen
Never let the refs dictate the games. Make your feild goals.Dont create so many pentalties and protect your Q B. Problem solved.
Trade back.. Draft Deone Walker
No way u said lovie was going to be one and done in Houston. Come on Hondo! Please don’t turn into mitchel renz!
No doubt, that dude...I can't watch that show anymore it's creating bad Raider fans
Once again Hondo waisted the first 10 minutes of podcast with useless information
Then fast forward the video bud. You just had to get on here to complain?
Hondo should create another channel where he just talks non football stuff
The last 23:24 wasn’t much better
How about that Reggie White nonsense?
@@JayMac-t1cwhat someone asked for advice and he gave advice on how to be a good dad. I know you’re probably a dead beat or have no kids but you can just skip the video because it’s obvious the only part that made you mad was the fact he mentioned the Lord. But for some reason atheists get so bent and pissy over a being they don’t even believe in 😂
aoc is backup at best. Qbs topday are mobile and not pocket statues
Shout-out to James from my hometown 🤜