What i find funny about Rooney is how he never went to be a coach first, as everyone done. He was straight to manager and never tried to learn under someone else.
You are right. The only way for his managerial career now is to take that step back and do the steps he skipped. But I think it might be too late for that for him.
Yup. He should definitely work as an assitant first for a while. Everyone of the current star managers in the Premier League actually worked as an understudy at one point.
@@kaihiggins725 no, the food is an integral part of a restaurant ,but marketing ,managing inventory ,human ressource management, are also integral to the success of it, like if the inventory management is bad that could bankrupt the restaurant and being a chef doesnt qualify you to do that.
@@mouna5252elleI agree with that and with any artistic person chefs or just artists they normally don’t like to compromise their vision and while in some situations it does work out but most of the time it can be their downfall. While I would love them to follow their vision sadly you have to compromise and adapt because you have bills to pay and you have market trends to follow or you could be left behind and not make a profit
The way Rooney saved Plymouth from relegation last season with his awful spell of results managing Birmingham it was only reasonable to appoint him as a thank you for his efforts.
Just for comparison: The most successful/best German managers of the last couple years and how their player career went (literally none of them were stars): -Tuchel: 507 minutes played in the 2nd bundesliga in his whole career. Never played on an higher level. Retired at 26 -Nagelsmann: never played a professional match. Retired at 21 -Sebastian Hoeneß: played for the Hertha BSC reserve team and actually got 3 minutes of DFB Pokal football back when Reserve teams were allowed to play in the cup. Retired at 29 -Fabian Hürzeler: played in Germanys 4th league (also for the Bayern reserve team). Actually played his last football match around 2 and a half years ago in the 6th league of German football while also being an assistant coach at St Pauli but had to retire from amateur football when taking over as the head coach of st Pauli a few months after making his last appearance in the 6th league -Domenico Tedesco (Belgium): doesn’t even have a player profile on Transfermarkt. Became a coach in the 2nd bundesliga at 32 - went to Schalke in the same year and became 2nd place in the bundesliga in his first season -Klopp: actually a good player in the 2. Bundesliga with almost 300 appearances. BUT also never played a second of (1.) Bundesliga football. -Ralf Rangnick: played in the German 3rd league in the 80’s -Christian Streich (the legend from Freiburg): played one season of first tier football in Germany. Been a decent 2. Bundesliga player -Frank Schmidt (coach of Heidenheim who’s coaching them since 2007 and took them from the 5th league to European nights against Chelsea): played a couple matches in the 2. Bundesliga -Marco Rose (RB Leipzig): played a couple of Bundesliga games under Klopp at Mainz -Flick: actually the ONLY one being really successful in his player career, playing for bayern for 5 years as a squad rotation player and making 13 appearances in the champions league BUT still not close to English managers like rooney, lampard, gerrard or the two Nevilles
there's a reason why. because the more you watch the game the more you understand it. there's also a problem with innovation here, over the past few decades the UK is not innovative anymore, we used to be. The German, Spanish managers seem to be able to learn and innovate, to take what we know and use it to another level.
@@JimmyJapan thanks. Took a bit longer then I intended to look up the actual statistics on Transfermarkt but I knew about all of them either not playing professional at all, being unsuccessful or just decent 2nd league players
Good stuff dude, an excellent example of why German coaches are successful. You should make your own YT videos as you are more informative than 90% of the current ones.
Even big Ange has a better cv than many english managers. The best one so far in recent memory is a Scotsman for god sake. With eddy howe being the odd man out
@oslomapping 20% at Plymouth. Overal it's 45 wins from 178 games so slightly over 25%. It's 31 wins from 125 games in the championship, and if Plymouth get relegated he'll have managed 3 clubs that went down. Maybe the championship is not his level ?
He was a slimebag, tried to force a move out of the club, was a cheater in his personal life, was in general a whiny fellow. As a United supporter, I get that he's one of the better footballer of all time, not one of the best but on the better side. But as a person he was ugh.
I know of a friend who has a childhood friend who ended up playing for DC United and from what he said, none of the people who played with or under Rooney at DC had anything good to say about him, and I feel like that’s part of what happens when you’re a manager regardless of the player you might have been if you can’t get a group of players to have trust in you and buy into your system then you’re never going to succeed, as much as I love Thierry Henry he had the same issue with his managerial career so far, because he had such high standards as a player as a coach he isn’t able to articulate in a way that gets players onside first before he demands the high standards and if you have nothing to show for it as a manager then sooner or later teams will stop giving you jobs based on your playing career, Mourinho is a perfect example of someone who forged a career simply on getting his players to believe and trust in him, run through walls with him, he finds different buttons to push but if a player has the right mentality they’ll thrive in that system instead of reacting negatively to it
@@BrainWaves399 I get what you're saying butwhat did Henry do in all his other jobs though, Monaco, Montreal Impact both places where i think it was set up for him to grow and show what he has. I personally think Henry is more comfortable working on CBS doing the champions league show with Jamie and Micah and Kate ofc for me i just don't think he has the confidence in himself to go out and put his reputation on the line again, it's easy when you have some of the worlds best u23 players and its only really a month of football while the team isn't necessarily "being coached" they're just going out with instructions and a formation most of their coaching was done during the real season. I want Henry to succeed but from what I've heard and seen in videos he just doesn't have the ability to create a cohesive environment for players to succeed for him. I'm not saying it has to be a daycare but there has to be instructions and criticism with a end goal of bettering the players and not just to do a "look where I played in my career i can take you there if you just do what i could do" when in reality not all players will be good or anywhere as near to being as good as Henry was, Bradley Wright Phillips dealt with it at NY Red bulls and I can tell it took the thick skin of knowing what it was like being the son of a legend to deal with playing with Henry who asks for the best because he expects the best from himself. Henry is the type of person who leads by example in the way he played but I don't think he was able to do that as a manager in a full time coaching job, most of the work he's done recently has been with belgium and France for their olympic team but tbh idk if he even goes out of his way to get another coaching job because like Rooney if it doesn't go well i would think it would be the last one where he would feel like he was being taken seriously. Again I'll bring up the example of Mourinho he was never a great player as he says he was the son of a coach and he decided to make a name for himself and throughout his career the teams he's created and had success with he's been able to create this aura of "us against the world" willing to do anything for his players and them for him, now I don't see Henry having this type of personality let alone connection to his players, let alone Rooney he's too busy with the booze tbh. a perfect symbol of what Mourinho represents as a manager is post Inter winning the champions league he's outside the team bus crying with one of his players as they both know he is about to leave for Madrid
Na i think henry and Rooney are just plain old thick, neither of them say anything mind blowing like hasselbaink and shearer, just imagine any of them as your manager in any job, youll be bored after 10 mins of listening to them just chat 💩...very uninspiring human beings if you disregard their playing careers🤷🏻♂️
"Two Championship clubs hired him full-time and got relegated. But surely, with one of the lower budgets in the division, and having barely survived last season, we'll be different!"- the Plymouth Argyle board, probably. (YES, I know Derby had horrific circumstances, just let me have this for the joke)
The only time I’ve seen Plymouth score more than 3 goals ever, was at a club friendly at Cheltenham Town’s stadium, I was actually there to witness this as a Cheltenham fan, I mean seeing Wayne Rooney as Plymouth manager in person at our ground was amazing to watch.
Howard Wilkinson and Leeds were the last English team and manager to win the top division. One year too early. But was so happy to be part of Sgt Wilco's barmy army. Was at Sheff United Away the day we won the title when Liverpool beat Man U.
@ Keegan mentally couldn’t compete with Fergie. I’ve always wondered how different things would be if Sir Bobby accepted the job offer after italia 90. We were skint by the time he came
Im a Derby fan and ill say it till i die, Rooney was great for us. He wasnt allowed to sign anyone and had a team of kids, dinosaurs and rejects no one wanted but had us playing some great football. We fell off towards the end but if it wasn't for a 21 point deduction Derby would have spent most of that season pushing for a play off spot, i have no idea whats gone wrong for him
Argyle fan here, so I think I can give a pretty good summary of what has happened. We all wanted Rooney to succeed. When he came in he seemed super positive, showed a lot of respect to the club and had a lot of time for our fans. We also have a board who, generally speaking, have made good decisions over the last few years and therefore we maybe thought there was a method behind his appointment. However, after a decent enough start where we played some good football, after we got battered away at Cardiff 5-0 in October, everything just fell apart. He was clearly tactically limited and would only ever go after the players in the press, never taking much accountability himself. For 2 and a half months now we have been awful and it has been a miserable experience, especially away from home, where we have picked up 2 points in 13 games and have lost by four goals or more on five separate occasions. Tbf, he had a bit of an injury crisis to oversee, but even with the injuries it was embarrassing. It’s sad because, as I said at the start, we all wanted him to succeed, but he had to go. And he should probably have think about whether management is really for him.
He should probably try to be a coach or assistant manager first, learn under someone more experienced for a few years and get himself out of the limelight.
Argyle fan here, Wayne Rooney was basicaly a last choice when Argyle were on a manager search. The owners promised his "revival" or he will make things right but it has not been the case. We excused him when we lost 4 to Wednesday but it has been downhill since then. When we last 4 again to Bristol, that should have been the last straw but they kept him. And how he still survived the Conventry match is beyond me. It's not a secret the documentary was the main factor but after Oxford all hell broke, we had even fan accounts posted statements, hopefully the next manager saves us and it happens soon.
I feel like these players who have great careers, being managers. That they CAN be managers, but I feel like they're so fast tracked, when it's clear they're not ready for it. They'd be better off going to a non league club, or go learn their craft at a under 18s level. Something Gerrard actually did. Sure, he's no great either, but compared to how Lamps and Rooney have gone, Gerrard has done waaaay better. If these great players want to be great managers, then they're clearly not showing it. It's clear they're being hired based off their name alone.
This, Conte started as Siena Manager at Serie C, Pep, Xabi, and Zidane with their B team before stepping up to senior team even Klopp didn't manage Bundesliga level club aftet retired playing. I remember G. Lineker told story in Pod after he retired Leicester, Villa, or West Ham(I don't remember) offered him as manager, and English clubs behavior offering former great player way to early to be their manager is kinda weird compare to German or Spanish Clubs.
Think about the great managers in PL history. Does anyone remember the playing careers of the likes of Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp? By all means they were unremarkable. The skillsets for playing and managing are very different. Yes there have been those who have done both, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule, and are getting rarer as time goes on. Managers these days have to do so much more than they did in yesteryear.
@paulorocky Fergie was a decent player back in his day. Some consider him to be the best Scottish player to never properly have an international career
"No English manager has ever managed to win the Premier League." Who is the last English manager to win any silverware in football? Harry Redknapp in 2008 with Portsmouth (FA Cup). Who is the last English manager to win any European silverware in football? Sir Bobby Robson in 1997 with Barcelona (UEFA Cup Winners Cup). Who is the last English manager to win the European Cup or Champions League? Joe Fagan in 1984 with Liverpool (and it happened before the Champions League era). Overall, English managers in terms of both domestic and international football success are quite underwhelming.
I find it so damning that no English manager has won the PL and there are so little English managers in the top flight. I know most aren’t good enough, but when some people had a meltdown when Tuchel became England manager, these people need to understand, our managers just aren’t good enough, and we’re not producing good English managers. Only Eddie Howe, personally seems to be any good but other than him, it’s very worrying.
How many english manager have played out of england? They are used to play in top teams with top players, for the most of them explaning some kind movement, positioning etc May se em kind of basic, but most players will never reach the Levels these guys have ever reached, so what for Gérard or Rooney is basic, for them is almost mágic.I Will never forget a training session of Argentina in the 2010 Word cup with maradona explaning how tô shoot a freekick to Messi, and he was saying that it was impossible to score from there, then Maradona takes 2 steps back and puts it in the pocket, then Maradona turnos tô Messi and says "See this is easy" then picks another Ball and does it again, Messi just looks at him then Higuain says" i cant do it" and maradona does it a third time.
this genuinely has to be the most interesting time ever in football in terms of young managers coming through. There isn't really a standout name that everyone can point to and think that person can take the torch from Guardiola, Jose, Ancelloti etc and dominate the sport for the next 20-25 years.
I can't remember who I heard say it, but it stuck with me. It was someone coached / managed by hoddle. they said that as a great player hoddle didn't understand why people couldn't just perfectly *do* the things he explained to them or even showed them. he didn't really understand how his ability affected him, and his coach-ability. Why couldn't the players he was managing simply execute the things he said to do? surely they're a footballer...like him.. Great players don't always make great coaches for this reason. They can perfectly explain what and how to do things, to players that can't just do it naturally like they did.
I lived near the old spurs training ground and watched hoddle and co shooting thru holes in boards placed across a goal. Hoddle hardly failed to score while Hazard was decent. The rest were 2 or 3 out if ten. And that was a team that had won 2 fa cups and the euro cup winners final. Hoddle was a level above and humiliated Beckham on free kicks practice during an England camp.
It was either Mark Noble or James Collins who said in an interview there was a similar situation when Gianfranco Zola was manager of West Ham. They had to go to him and ask him to stop taking part in training, because even at 50-odd he was the best player in the building.
As well as singing karaoke at the local pub he might be able to coach thier team. So long as they're willing to give him time to get up to pub league standard.
Look, the big mistake Wayne made was go straight into managing rather than become a coach and learn under someone qualified. Look at Arsenal and Chelsea, two managers who were mentored under Pep and did learn. Still a crazy record how no ‘English’ manager has ever won the English Premier League.
Some ex players are able to take the managerial role. Others are better suited to be a pundit. He should take a year off attempting to be a manager and try punditry. I think overall he would probably enjoy it a lot more and stick with it
It's sad it worked out for him in this manner, but at least he gave it a go. It's a pity multiple teams got relegated because of him though. I wonder what he'll do now.
Rooney clearly wants to be a serious manager even if he isn't good enough for the championship. Gerrard and lampard put themselves in jobs they were totally unqualified for but Rooney put himself through a more thorough education. Lampard is lampard a better manager. Gerrard may as well be a mercenary now. It really sucks that none of the big England leaders of my childhood are succeeding in management.
The way I see it he’s learning, he clearly loves football and who knows he may eventually end up good. Unlike most he doesn’t seem to care who he manages he just wants to work
Credit to him for foregoing compensation. Unfortunately, Rooney has shown that he’s not a very good manager. I actually thought it was a decent appointment by Plymouth, with him having experience of struggling teams (actually doing quite decent at Derby for a bit) but yeah, I was wrong 😀
its the cost to study coaching, compare the cost to train in UK versus Spain, Portugal and Germany. This is why the talent pool is so limited in the UK
If he wants to be a manager, I think he needs to start over and be a coach, an underling. Eventually progressing to assistant and then manager again. I think through this roadmap to management he would learn from others and gain strong connections with coaches that he works well with. So when he does become manager he would be able to put the people he works well with in. Whereas currently he jumps into teams and is surrounded by new faces with little to no prior experience, it makes getting your ideas across harder when it’s like that, that’s if he has good ideas when it comes to play style and tactics though. Just a thought, ultimately I don’t care whether he manages again, there are far better coaches out there and the circus that surrounds him is old, boring and tiring
To be fair he wasn’t actually doing that bad, I mean everyone predicted them to go down but they’ve been in safe places for a good chunk of the season so far
@@Vizeh A backup keeper, a 34-year-old makeshift right back, and one of the laziest players in the country being injured is not the reason Plymouth Argyle are at the bottom of the table. The fact of the matter is that they consistently have 2/3 good seasons in the third division, get promoted, fight relegation for a couple of years, once in a blue moon they replace Tony Pulis with Ian Holloway and sit 4th at Christmas, get to an FA Cup quarter final, sell their best players that January, and then go back to their natural habitat of bouncing between League 1 and League 2. It's been happening since the 4th division was introduced in 1958.
Saying this as an argyle fan. We all really wanted it to work with WR however it was never going to and why our board even considered him was ridiculous. Don’t think he is cut out to be a manager but fair play for trying to however it will send us back to L1 next season
Some people just ain’t meant to be managers He tried it, he didn’t make Plymouth pay him any extra when he left, he probably should give it up it doesn’t seem to be what he’s good at but so what? People are too quick to stick the knife in when it comes to Wayne Rooney they always have been
This was never going to work out. I was 'please no' when he was rumoured for the job. As it is he seems like a nice fellow. But here we are at the bottom of the division. At least now we can return to everybody ignoring us and never getting into the football headlines again.
Wayne Rooney was my all-time favorite player, but it doesn’t appear that he can manage a club. It’s not the end of the world. He can find something else to do.
He should probably join the coaching staff of a more experienced manager for a few seasons if he wants to continue the career path but like a lot of people from his generation he might just become a pundit and enjoy the game without the pressure
Maybe hes taking the wrong jobs at the wrong times that most other managers would be turning down due to no money to spend, contract lenghts etc. Just hoping for one of them to go well so he gets a better opportunity at a bigger club.
It always felt like his managerial career was never on the up and up tho. It always was on the decline, which is a shame bc he should have great dressing rooms given his time with Sir Alex Ferguson
10:50 the thing is we have a similar team to the last 2 seasons and we were known for comebacks then aswell. it doesnt necessarily mean there was a good atmosphere
Being a manager is a grind. Yet, as a player, Rooney wasn't the sort to embrace the grind away from the training pitch. He doesn't seem to possess the work ethos to be a manager.
He should of never left Derby, almost saving that club from relegation with some first teamers and kids that were flying out to bring in money, he built a good foundation to work from in my opinion and could have seen success with how he was moulding them
a lot of these footballers from rooneys generation only know ‘football’. What i mean by this, is that they neglected a lot of basic education when they were younger, skipping school, or coming from tougher backgrounds, its going to sound a bit rude, but these guys are not very clever and traded everything to play football, sacrificing there knowledge of things along the way. Rooney can’t count his fingers let alone work out a tactics board… i know it sounds like i am joking, but seriously, these guys are extremely slow. It is the same for stevie g and lampard. World class players, obsessed and dedicated with playing, but when it comes to actually coaching and managing, needing to use specific skills that years of training and education is needed for, its a completely different set of skills to playing on the pitch. You have to be given years of training in loads of different sections and then u also need the experience to be able implement this. Why aren’t these managers doing this? Amorim took years of training after retiring, and now look how well its lifted his reputation. Like you said Vizeh, Rooney is down the pub most nights singing Sweet Caroline, this is clear evidence that he is not suited to it. I think it is ego, that they cant accept being an assistant manager. It is mind blowing that the clubs that hire these guys even consider them
Rooney strikes me as a really good guy who desperately wanted to stay involved in football after his playing career. But I don't think management is for him. He'd probably do much better as a coach.
I think England has a huge problem with educating future managers, but a lot of people seem to not see that problem, because english clubs are rich enough to hire foreign managers.
@@Mnu103 That's funny, because in Poland when we hired foreign managers we thought, that they will be better than the polish ones. Paulo Sousa was not great, not terrible, but he left us before play-offs to World Cup in Qatar and we had to hire Michniewicz, but Fernando Santos was absolutely terrible. He didn't win the easiest elimination group ever and even lost against fucking Moldova.
Luckily now we have a group of talented young managers, which have good results in League and even in Europe. The best ones (and the youngest in Conference League) are Adrian Siemieniec (32 years old) from Jagiellonia Białystok (champion of Poland) and Gonçalo Feio (34 years old) from Legia Warszawa. The second one is actually portuguese but he's been working in Poland for almost 11 years.
England are still in the dark ages when it comes to coaching/managing. Most of the are old school gaffers who let the staff take the training and tactics, which is what Rooney does. A lot of them are so far behind in the way they think about the game it's scary and resort to clichés 'who wants it more' etc. All the best tactical ideas are coming from foreign coaches.
Either he admits he needs to be the guy taking orders instead of calling the shots and gets a job as an assistant or a coach, or he better not be hired as head coach or manager for any professional club anywhere. Semi pro only bro.
What I never understood is why, after what happened to Birmingham, is Rooney's name not absolute mud in football management? A big name does not make a bit manager. He'll end up back in the Championship with another club and run them into the ground.
I think its hard to take an english manager seriously in a english speaking country (accent wise) i think he would perform better in australia to start where players would truely look up to him
What i find funny about Rooney is how he never went to be a coach first, as everyone done.
He was straight to manager and never tried to learn under someone else.
You are right. The only way for his managerial career now is to take that step back and do the steps he skipped. But I think it might be too late for that for him.
Yup. He should definitely work as an assitant first for a while. Everyone of the current star managers in the Premier League actually worked as an understudy at one point.
@@EgoChip he's still 30-something. but i agree no team would want him now
@@trevornvm good grief bro looks incredibly old for his age😭
Love the chanel but Vizeh turn that snare drum DOWN, ffs!
Most players are not good managers just because you're a good chef that doesnt mean that you can run a restaurant
Kitchen nightmares would disagree with u
Worst comparison possible. That’s literally one of the only ways you can run a successful restaurant 😂
@@kaihiggins725 no, the food is an integral part of a restaurant ,but marketing ,managing inventory ,human ressource management, are also integral to the success of it, like if the inventory management is bad that could bankrupt the restaurant and being a chef doesnt qualify you to do that.
@ that shit is easy to learn 😂
@@mouna5252elleI agree with that and with any artistic person chefs or just artists they normally don’t like to compromise their vision and while in some situations it does work out but most of the time it can be their downfall. While I would love them to follow their vision sadly you have to compromise and adapt because you have bills to pay and you have market trends to follow or you could be left behind and not make a profit
The way Rooney saved Plymouth from relegation last season with his awful spell of results managing Birmingham it was only reasonable to appoint him as a thank you for his efforts.
Rooney wasn't in charge of us last season it was our spare coach
@regtheledge6253 You have failed your school teachers because you can't read
@regtheledge6253the joke flew right past you
@@OVERDEAUXIS ngl doesn't seem like a joke
@regtheledge6253he's referencing how Rooney's poor record with Birmingham last season probably helped in Plymouth staying up
Just for comparison:
The most successful/best German managers of the last couple years and how their player career went (literally none of them were stars):
-Tuchel: 507 minutes played in the 2nd bundesliga in his whole career. Never played on an higher level. Retired at 26
-Nagelsmann: never played a professional match. Retired at 21
-Sebastian Hoeneß: played for the Hertha BSC reserve team and actually got 3 minutes of DFB Pokal football back when Reserve teams were allowed to play in the cup. Retired at 29
-Fabian Hürzeler: played in Germanys 4th league (also for the Bayern reserve team). Actually played his last football match around 2 and a half years ago in the 6th league of German football while also being an assistant coach at St Pauli but had to retire from amateur football when taking over as the head coach of st Pauli a few months after making his last appearance in the 6th league
-Domenico Tedesco (Belgium): doesn’t even have a player profile on Transfermarkt. Became a coach in the 2nd bundesliga at 32 - went to Schalke in the same year and became 2nd place in the bundesliga in his first season
-Klopp: actually a good player in the 2. Bundesliga with almost 300 appearances. BUT also never played a second of (1.) Bundesliga football.
-Ralf Rangnick: played in the German 3rd league in the 80’s
-Christian Streich (the legend from Freiburg): played one season of first tier football in Germany. Been a decent 2. Bundesliga player
-Frank Schmidt (coach of Heidenheim who’s coaching them since 2007 and took them from the 5th league to European nights against Chelsea): played a couple matches in the 2. Bundesliga
-Marco Rose (RB Leipzig): played a couple of Bundesliga games under Klopp at Mainz
-Flick: actually the ONLY one being really successful in his player career, playing for bayern for 5 years as a squad rotation player and making 13 appearances in the champions league BUT still not close to English managers like rooney, lampard, gerrard or the two Nevilles
Exactly. They study the game and learn the different methods and styles. English managers are just dinosaurs.
there's a reason why. because the more you watch the game the more you understand it. there's also a problem with innovation here, over the past few decades the UK is not innovative anymore, we used to be. The German, Spanish managers seem to be able to learn and innovate, to take what we know and use it to another level.
@@JimmyJapan thanks. Took a bit longer then I intended to look up the actual statistics on Transfermarkt but I knew about all of them either not playing professional at all, being unsuccessful or just decent 2nd league players
Good stuff dude, an excellent example of why German coaches are successful. You should make your own YT videos as you are more informative than 90% of the current ones.
Even big Ange has a better cv than many english managers. The best one so far in recent memory is a Scotsman for god sake.
With eddy howe being the odd man out
Wayne Rooney Win ratio as a manager
Derby County 28%
DC United 26%
Birmingham City 13.3%
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Plymouth?
Ouch
@oslomapping 20% at Plymouth. Overal it's 45 wins from 178 games so slightly over 25%.
It's 31 wins from 125 games in the championship, and if Plymouth get relegated he'll have managed 3 clubs that went down. Maybe the championship is not his level ?
A club with no coach would have a better win ratio than this
6:10 Plymouth beating Plymouth 5-0 away at Plymouth the most disappointing result of the season.
honestly wouldnt even be surprised at this point
😂😂😂
They're really not doing themselves any favours. They seem to have a penchant for self-sabotage.
Honestly i never understood why people hated rooney when he was a player
Some people may dislike a more rougher personality I guess
Maybe cus hewas a cheater
Bcoz he was a princess
He was the subject of envy, everyone would have him back then
He was a slimebag, tried to force a move out of the club, was a cheater in his personal life, was in general a whiny fellow. As a United supporter, I get that he's one of the better footballer of all time, not one of the best but on the better side. But as a person he was ugh.
I know of a friend who has a childhood friend who ended up playing for DC United and from what he said, none of the people who played with or under Rooney at DC had anything good to say about him, and I feel like that’s part of what happens when you’re a manager regardless of the player you might have been if you can’t get a group of players to have trust in you and buy into your system then you’re never going to succeed, as much as I love Thierry Henry he had the same issue with his managerial career so far, because he had such high standards as a player as a coach he isn’t able to articulate in a way that gets players onside first before he demands the high standards and if you have nothing to show for it as a manager then sooner or later teams will stop giving you jobs based on your playing career, Mourinho is a perfect example of someone who forged a career simply on getting his players to believe and trust in him, run through walls with him, he finds different buttons to push but if a player has the right mentality they’ll thrive in that system instead of reacting negatively to it
Not to defend Henry, he’s a quick study. France almost did it for the Olympics.
@@BrainWaves399 I get what you're saying butwhat did Henry do in all his other jobs though, Monaco, Montreal Impact both places where i think it was set up for him to grow and show what he has. I personally think Henry is more comfortable working on CBS doing the champions league show with Jamie and Micah and Kate ofc for me i just don't think he has the confidence in himself to go out and put his reputation on the line again, it's easy when you have some of the worlds best u23 players and its only really a month of football while the team isn't necessarily "being coached" they're just going out with instructions and a formation most of their coaching was done during the real season. I want Henry to succeed but from what I've heard and seen in videos he just doesn't have the ability to create a cohesive environment for players to succeed for him. I'm not saying it has to be a daycare but there has to be instructions and criticism with a end goal of bettering the players and not just to do a "look where I played in my career i can take you there if you just do what i could do" when in reality not all players will be good or anywhere as near to being as good as Henry was, Bradley Wright Phillips dealt with it at NY Red bulls and I can tell it took the thick skin of knowing what it was like being the son of a legend to deal with playing with Henry who asks for the best because he expects the best from himself. Henry is the type of person who leads by example in the way he played but I don't think he was able to do that as a manager in a full time coaching job, most of the work he's done recently has been with belgium and France for their olympic team but tbh idk if he even goes out of his way to get another coaching job because like Rooney if it doesn't go well i would think it would be the last one where he would feel like he was being taken seriously. Again I'll bring up the example of Mourinho he was never a great player as he says he was the son of a coach and he decided to make a name for himself and throughout his career the teams he's created and had success with he's been able to create this aura of "us against the world" willing to do anything for his players and them for him, now I don't see Henry having this type of personality let alone connection to his players, let alone Rooney he's too busy with the booze tbh. a perfect symbol of what Mourinho represents as a manager is post Inter winning the champions league he's outside the team bus crying with one of his players as they both know he is about to leave for Madrid
Na i think henry and Rooney are just plain old thick, neither of them say anything mind blowing like hasselbaink and shearer, just imagine any of them as your manager in any job, youll be bored after 10 mins of listening to them just chat 💩...very uninspiring human beings if you disregard their playing careers🤷🏻♂️
"Two Championship clubs hired him full-time and got relegated. But surely, with one of the lower budgets in the division, and having barely survived last season, we'll be different!"- the Plymouth Argyle board, probably. (YES, I know Derby had horrific circumstances, just let me have this for the joke)
I bet the second Wayne somehow gets appointed by Man United, he will do some miracle like getting to a Champions League final or winning the Prem.
Maybe that's why he keeps trying
You are proof that people who gamble are making mistakes.
@@EduQueirozRocha I do not gamble though.
Getting to the championship*
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@@EduQueirozRocha remove the word "making" to make that a decent insult
Hard to believe Ronaldo is 9 months older than him.
He lasted longer than I thought he would
That's what she said 😂😂😂😂
The only time I’ve seen Plymouth score more than 3 goals ever, was at a club friendly at Cheltenham Town’s stadium, I was actually there to witness this as a Cheltenham fan, I mean seeing Wayne Rooney as Plymouth manager in person at our ground was amazing to watch.
As an Argyle fan:
We hated him when he became manager
We liked him for a short time
We hated him again for 2-3 months before his sacking
Hope the rest of the season is positive buddy
Pretty much .....
6:10 - imagine losing 5-0 away from home against yourself. Ouch.
Came here to say this 😅
Howard Wilkinson and Leeds were the last English team and manager to win the top division.
One year too early. But was so happy to be part of Sgt Wilco's barmy army. Was at Sheff United Away the day we won the title when Liverpool beat Man U.
I think Keegan at Newcastle was the only one to come close in terms of points I think
@@kaihiggins725Criminal that Newcastle team under him didn’t win anything. They were quality.
@ Keegan mentally couldn’t compete with Fergie. I’ve always wondered how different things would be if Sir Bobby accepted the job offer after italia 90. We were skint by the time he came
Im a Derby fan and ill say it till i die, Rooney was great for us. He wasnt allowed to sign anyone and had a team of kids, dinosaurs and rejects no one wanted but had us playing some great football. We fell off towards the end but if it wasn't for a 21 point deduction Derby would have spent most of that season pushing for a play off spot, i have no idea whats gone wrong for him
Rosinior was the brains behind everything
Argyle fan here, so I think I can give a pretty good summary of what has happened.
We all wanted Rooney to succeed. When he came in he seemed super positive, showed a lot of respect to the club and had a lot of time for our fans. We also have a board who, generally speaking, have made good decisions over the last few years and therefore we maybe thought there was a method behind his appointment.
However, after a decent enough start where we played some good football, after we got battered away at Cardiff 5-0 in October, everything just fell apart. He was clearly tactically limited and would only ever go after the players in the press, never taking much accountability himself. For 2 and a half months now we have been awful and it has been a miserable experience, especially away from home, where we have picked up 2 points in 13 games and have lost by four goals or more on five separate occasions. Tbf, he had a bit of an injury crisis to oversee, but even with the injuries it was embarrassing. It’s sad because, as I said at the start, we all wanted him to succeed, but he had to go. And he should probably have think about whether management is really for him.
He should probably try to be a coach or assistant manager first, learn under someone more experienced for a few years and get himself out of the limelight.
Argyle fan here, Wayne Rooney was basicaly a last choice when Argyle were on a manager search. The owners promised his "revival" or he will make things right but it has not been the case. We excused him when we lost 4 to Wednesday but it has been downhill since then. When we last 4 again to Bristol, that should have been the last straw but they kept him. And how he still survived the Conventry match is beyond me. It's not a secret the documentary was the main factor but after Oxford all hell broke, we had even fan accounts posted statements, hopefully the next manager saves us and it happens soon.
Don’t think ye will stay up honestly, whatever about Rooney, the squad just isn’t good enough
Best prepare yourself for the trip to Exeter next season!
Wayne Rooney was never a good manager but he was always given opportunities which he didn't deserve.
surely that has to be the end of management for him. it's just not for wayne, go into punditry or another path
TH-camr perhaps?
another clueless pundit just what we need
If he wants to be in the game in a manager role he she takes a demotion to like forwards coach or something.
I think Rooney needs to be a coach first and learn man-management from other experience coaches and managers.
@@dbz9393Another one wouldn’t hurt
Punditry is what he needs to do. Management isn't for him
Neither is punditry lmao
I feel like these players who have great careers, being managers. That they CAN be managers, but I feel like they're so fast tracked, when it's clear they're not ready for it. They'd be better off going to a non league club, or go learn their craft at a under 18s level. Something Gerrard actually did. Sure, he's no great either, but compared to how Lamps and Rooney have gone, Gerrard has done waaaay better.
If these great players want to be great managers, then they're clearly not showing it. It's clear they're being hired based off their name alone.
This, Conte started as Siena Manager at Serie C, Pep, Xabi, and Zidane with their B team before stepping up to senior team even Klopp didn't manage Bundesliga level club aftet retired playing.
I remember G. Lineker told story in Pod after he retired Leicester, Villa, or West Ham(I don't remember) offered him as manager, and English clubs behavior offering former great player way to early to be their manager is kinda weird compare to German or Spanish Clubs.
Think about the great managers in PL history. Does anyone remember the playing careers of the likes of Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp? By all means they were unremarkable. The skillsets for playing and managing are very different. Yes there have been those who have done both, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule, and are getting rarer as time goes on. Managers these days have to do so much more than they did in yesteryear.
You're making good points here. Guardiola though was a world class player as well@@paulorocky
@paulorocky Fergie was a decent player back in his day. Some consider him to be the best Scottish player to never properly have an international career
This was a fantastic watch. Wishing you a great 2025!
How on earth did you even watch the whole thing in 34 seconds
💀 you havent even watched one minute bruh
You're a quick watcher lad
@@Vizeh I've been a quick watcher of all your vids
Rooney's team
Matches 25 Wins 5 Draws 6 Losses 14
Pep Gvardiola Competition 🥶
That Pep who won 3 UCLs, 40+ trophies?
Sam Allardyce alone is better than Gerrard Lampard and Rooney combined
"No English manager has ever managed to win the Premier League."
Who is the last English manager to win any silverware in football? Harry Redknapp in 2008 with Portsmouth (FA Cup).
Who is the last English manager to win any European silverware in football? Sir Bobby Robson in 1997 with Barcelona (UEFA Cup Winners Cup).
Who is the last English manager to win the European Cup or Champions League? Joe Fagan in 1984 with Liverpool (and it happened before the Champions League era).
Overall, English managers in terms of both domestic and international football success are quite underwhelming.
gotta feel for pieface and travelling Plymouth fans😭
Well in Vizeh
Top man
I find it so damning that no English manager has won the PL and there are so little English managers in the top flight. I know most aren’t good enough, but when some people had a meltdown when Tuchel became England manager, these people need to understand, our managers just aren’t good enough, and we’re not producing good English managers. Only Eddie Howe, personally seems to be any good but other than him, it’s very worrying.
How many english manager have played out of england? They are used to play in top teams with top players, for the most of them explaning some kind movement, positioning etc May se em kind of basic, but most players will never reach the Levels these guys have ever reached, so what for Gérard or Rooney is basic, for them is almost mágic.I Will never forget a training session of Argentina in the 2010 Word cup with maradona explaning how tô shoot a freekick to Messi, and he was saying that it was impossible to score from there, then Maradona takes 2 steps back and puts it in the pocket, then Maradona turnos tô Messi and says "See this is easy" then picks another Ball and does it again, Messi just looks at him then Higuain says" i cant do it" and maradona does it a third time.
Benitez recently made a comment about Gerrard being a great player but with no deep understanding of the game
I go to Uni of Plymouth. Its been well known this semester of his preference for students, its a little grim really.
What do you mean? Please elaborate.
@@Trump20-24years wayne likes young women
@@briton3851 PDF?
When your favourite word seems to be 'Eerm'...
this genuinely has to be the most interesting time ever in football in terms of young managers coming through. There isn't really a standout name that everyone can point to and think that person can take the torch from Guardiola, Jose, Ancelloti etc and dominate the sport for the next 20-25 years.
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No English strikers was like Wayne man he’s was such an enigma in his playing days. The fact that he’s fully a manager now still trips me up.
I can't remember who I heard say it, but it stuck with me. It was someone coached / managed by hoddle. they said that as a great player hoddle didn't understand why people couldn't just perfectly *do* the things he explained to them or even showed them. he didn't really understand how his ability affected him, and his coach-ability. Why couldn't the players he was managing simply execute the things he said to do? surely they're a footballer...like him.. Great players don't always make great coaches for this reason. They can perfectly explain what and how to do things, to players that can't just do it naturally like they did.
I lived near the old spurs training ground and watched hoddle and co shooting thru holes in boards placed across a goal. Hoddle hardly failed to score while Hazard was decent. The rest were 2 or 3 out if ten. And that was a team that had won 2 fa cups and the euro cup winners final. Hoddle was a level above and humiliated Beckham on free kicks practice during an England camp.
@@Lordali-j9v Incredible footballer.
Rubbish! Surely he played with players who couldn't do the things he could do it's just arrogance and showing off
It was either Mark Noble or James Collins who said in an interview there was a similar situation when Gianfranco Zola was manager of West Ham. They had to go to him and ask him to stop taking part in training, because even at 50-odd he was the best player in the building.
When he was a player in Derby County the manager got sacked, and he was offered the job… can see the future on what’s happening to him now. 😂
Hope you reach a mil this year mate
Fantastic work
As well as singing karaoke at the local pub he might be able to coach thier team. So long as they're willing to give him time to get up to pub league standard.
I still find it insane that no English manager has won the Premier League. Not even once
Just watch sean dyche
He's probably just gonna become a full-time pundit.
Or a TH-camr at this point, might as well...
He has no chance of punditry. He mumbles and his accent is difficult to understand...😂
@dannycrotch5188 Surely he can afford a few elocution lessons.
Look, the big mistake Wayne made was go straight into managing rather than become a coach and learn under someone qualified. Look at Arsenal and Chelsea, two managers who were mentored under Pep and did learn. Still a crazy record how no ‘English’ manager has ever won the English Premier League.
I have your Karl-Heinz Riedle design in my room
0:15 becauseeeee its nice
The p in coup is silent. How do you not know this ?
He should just be a full time pundit like Gary Neville
02:56 shame he didn't do the "Let's go that's class," meme to elaborate who Pieface is
Some ex players are able to take the managerial role. Others are better suited to be a pundit. He should take a year off attempting to be a manager and try punditry.
I think overall he would probably enjoy it a lot more and stick with it
It's sad it worked out for him in this manner, but at least he gave it a go. It's a pity multiple teams got relegated because of him though. I wonder what he'll do now.
Wazza is likeable, humorous and down to Earth in the way Gazza was in many ways, just with a little less dysfunction.
Happy new year.
Rooney clearly wants to be a serious manager even if he isn't good enough for the championship. Gerrard and lampard put themselves in jobs they were totally unqualified for but Rooney put himself through a more thorough education. Lampard is lampard a better manager. Gerrard may as well be a mercenary now. It really sucks that none of the big England leaders of my childhood are succeeding in management.
Happy New Year Vizeh i wish you successful 2025 🎉🎉🎉
The way I see it he’s learning, he clearly loves football and who knows he may eventually end up good. Unlike most he doesn’t seem to care who he manages he just wants to work
His next job should be no higher than the national league
Eastleigh fc maybe
Credit to him for foregoing compensation. Unfortunately, Rooney has shown that he’s not a very good manager. I actually thought it was a decent appointment by Plymouth, with him having experience of struggling teams (actually doing quite decent at Derby for a bit) but yeah, I was wrong 😀
its the cost to study coaching, compare the cost to train in UK versus Spain, Portugal and Germany. This is why the talent pool is so limited in the UK
Rooney dresses like a superhero trying to not be seen, baseball cap, sweatshirt and track pants
UNDERRATED 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
9:18 Vizeh what happened with your voice there? 😭
If he wants to be a manager, I think he needs to start over and be a coach, an underling. Eventually progressing to assistant and then manager again. I think through this roadmap to management he would learn from others and gain strong connections with coaches that he works well with. So when he does become manager he would be able to put the people he works well with in. Whereas currently he jumps into teams and is surrounded by new faces with little to no prior experience, it makes getting your ideas across harder when it’s like that, that’s if he has good ideas when it comes to play style and tactics though. Just a thought, ultimately I don’t care whether he manages again, there are far better coaches out there and the circus that surrounds him is old, boring and tiring
The worst thing is there's still club come looking for him despite his disastrous record as manager.
To be fair he wasn’t actually doing that bad, I mean everyone predicted them to go down but they’ve been in safe places for a good chunk of the season so far
I wouldn't say having 51 goals conceded in 24 games however is not doing that bad, he has had some unfortunate injuries in fairness
@@Vizeh A backup keeper, a 34-year-old makeshift right back, and one of the laziest players in the country being injured is not the reason Plymouth Argyle are at the bottom of the table. The fact of the matter is that they consistently have 2/3 good seasons in the third division, get promoted, fight relegation for a couple of years, once in a blue moon they replace Tony Pulis with Ian Holloway and sit 4th at Christmas, get to an FA Cup quarter final, sell their best players that January, and then go back to their natural habitat of bouncing between League 1 and League 2. It's been happening since the 4th division was introduced in 1958.
Saying this as an argyle fan. We all really wanted it to work with WR however it was never going to and why our board even considered him was ridiculous. Don’t think he is cut out to be a manager but fair play for trying to however it will send us back to L1 next season
thats a mad stat man. Cheers from the Netherlands
Happy new year my peoples 🎉
Some people just ain’t meant to be managers
He tried it, he didn’t make Plymouth pay him any extra when he left, he probably should give it up it doesn’t seem to be what he’s good at but so what?
People are too quick to stick the knife in when it comes to Wayne Rooney they always have been
Is it just that these great players just can't relate to bang average ones?
This was never going to work out. I was 'please no' when he was rumoured for the job. As it is he seems like a nice fellow. But here we are at the bottom of the division. At least now we can return to everybody ignoring us and never getting into the football headlines again.
Why are the majority of English Managers bad even the best one is Eddie Howe who's only decent
Wayne Rooney had a lot of talents. None of them involved thinking or talking. - Duncan Shields
Rooney aging like a fine wine
I'm a simple lad, I see a vizeh video, I click on it no questions asked
he's younger than ronaldo btw
Maybe he should be a coach specifically for strikers who need his experience and and mentoring.
Wayne Rooney was my all-time favorite player, but it doesn’t appear that he can manage a club. It’s not the end of the world. He can find something else to do.
The p in coup is silent. Coo
If Capello got his wish for Arteta to play for England, then England would on a technicality have the closest manager to win it
He should probably join the coaching staff of a more experienced manager for a few seasons if he wants to continue the career path but like a lot of people from his generation he might just become a pundit and enjoy the game without the pressure
I hope he comes good as a manager
Maybe hes taking the wrong jobs at the wrong times that most other managers would be turning down due to no money to spend, contract lenghts etc. Just hoping for one of them to go well so he gets a better opportunity at a bigger club.
I learned this the hard way, but I think ego is prevents you from learning, or he might be an alcoholic not in recovery.
Good player. Bad manager.
It always felt like his managerial career was never on the up and up tho. It always was on the decline, which is a shame bc he should have great dressing rooms given his time with Sir Alex Ferguson
Hehhe, Thank God I was wrong..
I thought this was gonna be a Dark Report/Rumor regarding Wayne's PERSONAL life, Not anything Football related.
If i was raised as a fam of plymouth argyle i would genuinely switch teams and just take the stick
10:50 the thing is we have a similar team to the last 2 seasons and we were known for comebacks then aswell. it doesnt necessarily mean there was a good atmosphere
I really wish the PL (rebranded first division) came one year earlier 😂 proud of what Wilco achieved.
Being a manager is a grind. Yet, as a player, Rooney wasn't the sort to embrace the grind away from the training pitch. He doesn't seem to possess the work ethos to be a manager.
He should of never left Derby, almost saving that club from relegation with some first teamers and kids that were flying out to bring in money, he built a good foundation to work from in my opinion and could have seen success with how he was moulding them
a lot of these footballers from rooneys generation only know ‘football’. What i mean by this, is that they neglected a lot of basic education when they were younger, skipping school, or coming from tougher backgrounds, its going to sound a bit rude, but these guys are not very clever and traded everything to play football, sacrificing there knowledge of things along the way. Rooney can’t count his fingers let alone work out a tactics board… i know it sounds like i am joking, but seriously, these guys are extremely slow. It is the same for stevie g and lampard. World class players, obsessed and dedicated with playing, but when it comes to actually coaching and managing, needing to use specific skills that years of training and education is needed for, its a completely different set of skills to playing on the pitch. You have to be given years of training in loads of different sections and then u also need the experience to be able implement this. Why aren’t these managers doing this? Amorim took years of training after retiring, and now look how well its lifted his reputation. Like you said Vizeh, Rooney is down the pub most nights singing Sweet Caroline, this is clear evidence that he is not suited to it. I think it is ego, that they cant accept being an assistant manager. It is mind blowing that the clubs that hire these guys even consider them
Rooney is the most underappreciated player in Premier League history
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He was overshadowed by Messi and Ronaldo and his attitude was pretty bad at times
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Rooney strikes me as a really good guy who desperately wanted to stay involved in football after his playing career. But I don't think management is for him. He'd probably do much better as a coach.
One thing I've always wondered is
England: great players bad managers
Spain: great player great manager????
I think England has a huge problem with educating future managers, but a lot of people seem to not see that problem, because english clubs are rich enough to hire foreign managers.
@Uced522 I think the situation came to light after England couldn't even find a good English manager for their national team
@@Mnu103 That's funny, because in Poland when we hired foreign managers we thought, that they will be better than the polish ones. Paulo Sousa was not great, not terrible, but he left us before play-offs to World Cup in Qatar and we had to hire Michniewicz, but Fernando Santos was absolutely terrible. He didn't win the easiest elimination group ever and even lost against fucking Moldova.
Luckily now we have a group of talented young managers, which have good results in League and even in Europe. The best ones (and the youngest in Conference League) are Adrian Siemieniec (32 years old) from Jagiellonia Białystok (champion of Poland) and Gonçalo Feio (34 years old) from Legia Warszawa. The second one is actually portuguese but he's been working in Poland for almost 11 years.
England are still in the dark ages when it comes to coaching/managing. Most of the are old school gaffers who let the staff take the training and tactics, which is what Rooney does. A lot of them are so far behind in the way they think about the game it's scary and resort to clichés 'who wants it more' etc. All the best tactical ideas are coming from foreign coaches.
Either he admits he needs to be the guy taking orders instead of calling the shots and gets a job as an assistant or a coach, or he better not be hired as head coach or manager for any professional club anywhere. Semi pro only bro.
When Rooney first came up as a 16 year old, he looked like a 30 year old teenager.
First 🎉 happy new year's guys
What I never understood is why, after what happened to Birmingham, is Rooney's name not absolute mud in football management?
A big name does not make a bit manager.
He'll end up back in the Championship with another club and run them into the ground.
I think its hard to take an english manager seriously in a english speaking country (accent wise) i think he would perform better in australia to start where players would truely look up to him
I think Rooney needs to try and go to the lower leagues like low league 1 side or any league 2 team and try and build his manager skills