There's nothing more heartbreaking than when Joseph takes a wildly unsupported position, somehow convinces both Danny and Jordan to join him in it, and is SOMEHOW PROVEN RIGHT.
It's genuinely wild how the dude in the first story heard his wife accuse him of being emotionally manipulative and took it as a challenge. What a creep.
I'm starting to think that this whole podcast might just be a really elaborate schema for Jordan to teach us about the importance of shared bank accounts. At least he already convinced me...although I'm nowhere near a position where I could apply this wisdom.
I am shocked by the number of people that are living together and don't have some kind of proper agreement for how to share expenses. I go out to eat with the boys and we have less problems than this figuring out how to pay holy hell
21:48 Joesph is right they should just divorce, but I think Danny is nailing it here. Leaving is not always that easy. Edit: okay those comments wow wtf. They need to divorce and this woman needs therapy and/or a friend she’s clearly traumatised.
Joseph is pretty smart for inmediately figuring out that the guy in the first story was the real asshole, he's trying to manipulate his wife by creating a situation where she's forced to do what HE wants (by cheating) instead of just accepting that the relationship is not working and breaking it off for the good of both of them, the mature thing to do in that situation is just break it off, you've tried to fix things but things are not working your way so you accept it, but instead he makes things INFINITELY worse somehow and then blames it all on his wife while making himself look good in his reddit post lmaooo, peak redditor behaviour.
@@manjackson2772 I mean, unless he's lying, he did state that he didn't read the comments prior to his decision, he basically just had time to consider the situation prior to bringing it to the pod, the comments just confirmed it for him here.
USA saw what happen in france with the police riot in recent years and went : "Oh noooo we can't let FRANCE of all country beat us at that game : BRING OUT THE THRONGLER !!! "
On the second Reddit thing and already I'm feeling my misandry spike tonight, holy. Also Joseph and Danny immediately going for the Euphoria bit had me cackling.
The only defense of the guy making the photocopy of the letter is maybe the therapist requested it because they worked on it together. It's a little weird that he had a copy (less so if it was a pdf in an email), but that is a yellow flag at worst in the context given.
I have trouble calling the first dude out on making sure he has evidence of his wife's behavior, because honestly some people will deny everything to their surroundings which can really negatively impact said surroundings when they don't know who to believe. On the other hand, taking said proof as a sign he can sleep with other women is wild, and they are really not a good person.
If you are at the point in a relationship where you feel like you need to keep records of evidence to defend yourself, then you are in a toxic relationship and need to leave. Do not continue past that point.
So depending on the other person, you may want to keep records just so you can show them their own conduct....cause they forget. But once faced with said evidence, they'll be more accepting the callout isn't bogus. That said, this guy 100% kept it as an Epic Own. You don't get your partner obviously not reading it, making an obviously hurtful crossout over it, then take it as a hall pass. You take that as a "Oh she needs meds, cause something in her has gone off balance." Like, even assuming he's been a monster about convincing her to have sex, it still all started with her outright refusing. And unless this guy was cheating from the start, that is a massive fissure in a relationship to just drop out of nowhere. Everyone sucks here, cause I'd bet if he was actually good, she'd be willing to work with him.
MBT and Peeps surprised defense companies donate money to college? Such innocence. Every industry donates to education, they all need an educated workforce.
Listening to the guy’s comments in the first post makes me really second guess a lot of what he said in the first post. Now it just feels like I tried to make himself look good in a shirty situation.
8:27 we’ll aren’t you highlighting at problem with the American political system? Idk how voting works for you there but in Australia we at least have alternatives which help us voice our displeasure with major parties. Granted Labour (basically dems) or Liberal (basically republicans) will always take government, but the greens (far left), newly formed teals (centre right independents for disenfranchised former liberal voters who feel they’ve gone to far right) etc have an impact on elections. And the Teals certainly changed the last federal election here. There it seems like your options are exactly Biden, Trump or no one (no one = basically voting for the winner since your voice is not counted). And that sucks.
It's even worse over here, cause the popular vote actually doesn't matter. The president is voted into office by the Electoral College, who is literally a secret society whome we don't know the members, an they can AND HAVE outvoted the popular vote. The excuse is that the EC votes based on what's popular in each of their states. But I'm sure you can immediately see the fallacy there: Why not just take the direct votes from each state? Can't even try and get the Senate or HoR changed, cause all of them Gerrymander to ensure they are majority in all districts. And to be clear; Gerrymandering is changing the borders on said districts so your opponent's are the minority. The entire voting system in the US is a joke, and only isn't obvious cause it's so big 1 party can't wrestle full control.
For me, that first post was so massaged that I *knew* the guy was lying, I just needed to figure out what is the major lie to point out because the moment you find a lie in a story, then you can question everything else with more certainty. The moment I got it was when it clicked that the guy was narrating his last conversation on the topic because the idiot gave the game away. He basically told his wife, "I will not break off my relationship to the other person unless this counciling works." which to go back to earlier in said post, he would say that every conversation with his wife would end with her shouting and saying he is manipulating her. Yeah, he was. He's lying about it on reddit which puts holes into *everything* he typed. Dude could legit be a 40-some disgruntled man.
This ignores the fact that accusations off emotional manipulation are in fact a pretty common way of doing emotional manipulation. Any amount of standing up for yourself or your needs is suddenly a grand abusive manipulation. Another of course is setting conditions for working on things and when those conditions get met you just back out or stonewall the process. Now no history of the second behavior and it's redit there is always a chance none of these people are real but not taking away her reason or trying before making her try does not in and of itself prove what you say it does.
Thank you, someone finally said it. How did none of them zero in on the guy saying he will continue banging the other woman while he and his wife are in therapy?! With an arbitrary clause!
Why can't the 3rd guy just have something for himself tho? Sure he shouldve just talked about it instead of hiding it like a toddler. But its so unserious arguing about motherfucking HONEY let the dude have something
He is the one that created the issue by hiding the honey instead of talking about it. The moment he saw that she was eating the honey, the situation could have been solved by communicating. But because he tried to deceive her instead, he created a situation where she almost certainly doesn't understand why he is valuing the honey so highly, and as such, in her view the only real thing that makes sense is that her husband is being really weird with some random honey for no reason. It's like if he got a mini fridge for his office and hid the milk in there. It's weird as hell and shouldn't be a thing for a married couple. Until he tells her specifically why he wants to preserve this honey, it is completely his fault for any resulting arguments.
I think the first guy is a creative writing exercise. Every comment makes him sound less and less real. Has anyone found the first post he supposedly made a few months ago?
Joeseph this might be your worst take ever, in regards to the first story. The couple should split up, yes that is clearly true. But why is it on the guy to divorce? Why can’t she divorce him? She’s the one who refuses to have sex with him, which is not a bad thing by any means.
The guy is the one that has an issue with the no intimacy. He has an issue, therefore it is on him to either continue to try and work things out, or decide to get out. The wife doesn't have an issue with the no intimacy thing, or if she does he clearly hasn't bothered to find out. She is not the one apparently having an issue with the relationship, he is, and so if it does come to them splitting, it is 100% on the dude to do that.
Just replace the first wife's sexuality to finding out she's "lesbian" instead and you can simplify the story. She is no longer capable of feeling that interest anymore. Why would you remain in that relationship? Ergo, the poster should not be trying to change this or attempt to stay in this.
If a woman figures out she is a lesbian mid marriage then either she would leave the marriage herself or if she couldn't for some reason she would be most definitely be fucking women outside of that marriage. If the guy is ok with being her beard that's between them but she definitely wouldn't have the right to stop him from fucking other women.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT You can truly love someone and have some aspect of incompatibility. The first guy ya he went to far but frankly he was unironically told to, he still loves her but feels need for sex and was told to seek it out elsewhere so he did. Edit: his comments are unhinged hea clearly the asshole. But the main post is extremely reasonable
cannot disagree more. the entire post exudes asshole energy. an emotional response to trauma is completely understandable on the wife's part, and the husband is going out of his way to hurt her because she won't give him sex is repulsive.
@amycatass I don't disagree with that interpretation, and clearly in hindsight I missed some aspects of it and this guy was a terrible exampl. But as a general rule of thumb deciding not to have aex as a couple and allowing for other sexual activities doesn't mean you don't love your partner, which they always bring up. If the couple isn't have sex at least one of them says they should get divorced on that aspect alone which is what had me upset
you don't cheat behind someone's back if you love her, you don't go out of your way to hurt them if you love them, he could have solved the situation multiple other ways but he chose the worst possible option that not only hurt his wife but also made the relationship even worse, that's not being "incompatible" that's being an asshole, the reasonable thing to do is just to divorce and stop causing each other even more troubles and pain.
I'm just adding that the "not hiding it" is a huge red flag. He knew if he actually told his wife he was going to have relations with another woman she would disapprove. He tried acting casual about it because he had "permission" but knew he was in the wrong. When push came to shove he couldn't literally say he was cheating, because it'd prove he knew what he was doing was wrong and give him less leverage.
@@amycatass So first off: Yeah he's garbage for doing that. But Secondly, they got married with the presence and expectation srx is part of it. It's fine to lose interest later, but not making accommodations for your spouse IS abuse. A mutual romantic relationship means that you are putting responsibilities for your partners needs onto yourself. It's the entire point. If you don't want to find some way to fulfill your partner's needs you no longer have, including sex, you're also a monster. This dude is obviously a worse monster in many regards, just to reiterate. But, if we take his character at face value before the cheating, then she is being the abusive one. No notes. But looking through the Redditification, nah everyone sucks here.
i love the bantering and malehating... but it feels like they take too much time. I liked the first post a lot, but after that the episode just felt weak overall. Same thing happened last week.
There's nothing more heartbreaking than when Joseph takes a wildly unsupported position, somehow convinces both Danny and Jordan to join him in it, and is SOMEHOW PROVEN RIGHT.
it's the same way Cimo always draws the out
theyre the protagonists
That's the Joseph Rothschild Difference.
Ok, ok this all feels very reasonable but toxic, they should probably get sepera- HE REWROTE THEIR MARRAIGE VOWS? WHAT THE FUCK?
still in shock how someone can be like that
my face when saying "you should get divorced" after reading a story on reddit is appropriate
Third guy had so many opportunities to be in the right, but he just went straight to secret desk honey.
It's genuinely wild how the dude in the first story heard his wife accuse him of being emotionally manipulative and took it as a challenge. What a creep.
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I'm starting to think that this whole podcast might just be a really elaborate schema for Jordan to teach us about the importance of shared bank accounts.
At least he already convinced me...although I'm nowhere near a position where I could apply this wisdom.
Peeps becoming cleaver man for the honey hiding guy is so funny, my goat get his ass
This is why he took a week off Meme Review, Cleaver Man had already been released
I am shocked by the number of people that are living together and don't have some kind of proper agreement for how to share expenses. I go out to eat with the boys and we have less problems than this figuring out how to pay holy hell
21:48 Joesph is right they should just divorce, but I think Danny is nailing it here. Leaving is not always that easy.
Edit: okay those comments wow wtf. They need to divorce and this woman needs therapy and/or a friend she’s clearly traumatised.
My favorite part about the third guy is he's acting like the honey is really hard to get. Dude you get it off of AMAZON
That first dude is like a meme super villain wtf.
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Joseph is pretty smart for inmediately figuring out that the guy in the first story was the real asshole, he's trying to manipulate his wife by creating a situation where she's forced to do what HE wants (by cheating) instead of just accepting that the relationship is not working and breaking it off for the good of both of them, the mature thing to do in that situation is just break it off, you've tried to fix things but things are not working your way so you accept it, but instead he makes things INFINITELY worse somehow and then blames it all on his wife while making himself look good in his reddit post lmaooo, peak redditor behaviour.
Law school coming in clutch
Tbf Joseph found the post, he had the full context
He sniffed out the rat that’s for sure
@@manjackson2772 I mean, unless he's lying, he did state that he didn't read the comments prior to his decision, he basically just had time to consider the situation prior to bringing it to the pod, the comments just confirmed it for him here.
USA saw what happen in france with the police riot in recent years and went :
"Oh noooo we can't let FRANCE of all country beat us at that game : BRING OUT THE THRONGLER !!! "
MBTs law school skills are coming in clutch for that first story.
On the second Reddit thing and already I'm feeling my misandry spike tonight, holy.
Also Joseph and Danny immediately going for the Euphoria bit had me cackling.
Kendrick has been the best part of this week
@@CommanderWar64 The past few weeks have been mostly awful but man, that beef was some of the most fun I've had in a bit
The only defense of the guy making the photocopy of the letter is maybe the therapist requested it because they worked on it together. It's a little weird that he had a copy (less so if it was a pdf in an email), but that is a yellow flag at worst in the context given.
Not a political podcast btw (not that i mind, i love listening to you guys talk about anything)
That honey scuffle had quite the spot of escalation innit
Alright, let's go.
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@@manjackson2772 my bad
PFP passes the vibecheck
We're 3 hot guys
I have trouble calling the first dude out on making sure he has evidence of his wife's behavior, because honestly some people will deny everything to their surroundings which can really negatively impact said surroundings when they don't know who to believe. On the other hand, taking said proof as a sign he can sleep with other women is wild, and they are really not a good person.
If you are at the point in a relationship where you feel like you need to keep records of evidence to defend yourself, then you are in a toxic relationship and need to leave. Do not continue past that point.
So depending on the other person, you may want to keep records just so you can show them their own conduct....cause they forget. But once faced with said evidence, they'll be more accepting the callout isn't bogus.
That said, this guy 100% kept it as an Epic Own. You don't get your partner obviously not reading it, making an obviously hurtful crossout over it, then take it as a hall pass. You take that as a "Oh she needs meds, cause something in her has gone off balance."
Like, even assuming he's been a monster about convincing her to have sex, it still all started with her outright refusing. And unless this guy was cheating from the start, that is a massive fissure in a relationship to just drop out of nowhere.
Everyone sucks here, cause I'd bet if he was actually good, she'd be willing to work with him.
MBT and Peeps surprised defense companies donate money to college? Such innocence. Every industry donates to education, they all need an educated workforce.
After the surgical dissection of OP in the first post, it's refreshing that OP 2's bf is just so unquestionably a monster.
Electric chair.
Listening to the guy’s comments in the first post makes me really second guess a lot of what he said in the first post. Now it just feels like I tried to make himself look good in a shirty situation.
bro is dating Winnie the Pooh
Nah Pooh enjoys sharing honey with his friends, that dude was Pooh from that doodoo-ass horror movie that they made after Pooh became public domain.
Wow this episode is not beating the allegations
Councels seething over redditchads
Good stuff this week
8:27 we’ll aren’t you highlighting at problem with the American political system?
Idk how voting works for you there but in Australia we at least have alternatives which help us voice our displeasure with major parties. Granted Labour (basically dems) or Liberal (basically republicans) will always take government, but the greens (far left), newly formed teals (centre right independents for disenfranchised former liberal voters who feel they’ve gone to far right) etc have an impact on elections. And the Teals certainly changed the last federal election here.
There it seems like your options are exactly Biden, Trump or no one (no one = basically voting for the winner since your voice is not counted). And that sucks.
yeah, we know. that's exactly how it works and it does indeed suck
It's even worse over here, cause the popular vote actually doesn't matter. The president is voted into office by the Electoral College, who is literally a secret society whome we don't know the members, an they can AND HAVE outvoted the popular vote.
The excuse is that the EC votes based on what's popular in each of their states. But I'm sure you can immediately see the fallacy there: Why not just take the direct votes from each state?
Can't even try and get the Senate or HoR changed, cause all of them Gerrymander to ensure they are majority in all districts. And to be clear; Gerrymandering is changing the borders on said districts so your opponent's are the minority.
The entire voting system in the US is a joke, and only isn't obvious cause it's so big 1 party can't wrestle full control.
For me, that first post was so massaged that I *knew* the guy was lying, I just needed to figure out what is the major lie to point out because the moment you find a lie in a story, then you can question everything else with more certainty. The moment I got it was when it clicked that the guy was narrating his last conversation on the topic because the idiot gave the game away. He basically told his wife, "I will not break off my relationship to the other person unless this counciling works." which to go back to earlier in said post, he would say that every conversation with his wife would end with her shouting and saying he is manipulating her.
Yeah, he was. He's lying about it on reddit which puts holes into *everything* he typed. Dude could legit be a 40-some disgruntled man.
This ignores the fact that accusations off emotional manipulation are in fact a pretty common way of doing emotional manipulation.
Any amount of standing up for yourself or your needs is suddenly a grand abusive manipulation.
Another of course is setting conditions for working on things and when those conditions get met you just back out or stonewall the process.
Now no history of the second behavior and it's redit there is always a chance none of these people are real but not taking away her reason or trying before making her try does not in and of itself prove what you say it does.
Thank you, someone finally said it. How did none of them zero in on the guy saying he will continue banging the other woman while he and his wife are in therapy?! With an arbitrary clause!
Third is just a repeat of last weeks. SCAMMED
Eh... In the second one he's totally not worth being a BF. dump his ass and get an actual roommate.
Umm week 18 without a guest appearance by George Santos
Why can't the 3rd guy just have something for himself tho? Sure he shouldve just talked about it instead of hiding it like a toddler. But its so unserious arguing about motherfucking HONEY let the dude have something
He is the one that created the issue by hiding the honey instead of talking about it. The moment he saw that she was eating the honey, the situation could have been solved by communicating. But because he tried to deceive her instead, he created a situation where she almost certainly doesn't understand why he is valuing the honey so highly, and as such, in her view the only real thing that makes sense is that her husband is being really weird with some random honey for no reason.
It's like if he got a mini fridge for his office and hid the milk in there. It's weird as hell and shouldn't be a thing for a married couple. Until he tells her specifically why he wants to preserve this honey, it is completely his fault for any resulting arguments.
Oh shit, is that an outro?
I do not think his wife telling him that she never read the letter he gave her was never read just responded with the red writing on it
dang okay peeps I'll get a joint bank account, let me find a partner first
Based second prompt
Okay but I’m not tipping for Boba.
I think the first guy is a creative writing exercise. Every comment makes him sound less and less real. Has anyone found the first post he supposedly made a few months ago?
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Joeseph this might be your worst take ever, in regards to the first story. The couple should split up, yes that is clearly true. But why is it on the guy to divorce? Why can’t she divorce him? She’s the one who refuses to have sex with him, which is not a bad thing by any means.
The guy is the one that has an issue with the no intimacy. He has an issue, therefore it is on him to either continue to try and work things out, or decide to get out. The wife doesn't have an issue with the no intimacy thing, or if she does he clearly hasn't bothered to find out. She is not the one apparently having an issue with the relationship, he is, and so if it does come to them splitting, it is 100% on the dude to do that.
Just replace the first wife's sexuality to finding out she's "lesbian" instead and you can simplify the story. She is no longer capable of feeling that interest anymore. Why would you remain in that relationship? Ergo, the poster should not be trying to change this or attempt to stay in this.
If a woman figures out she is a lesbian mid marriage then either she would leave the marriage herself or if she couldn't for some reason she would be most definitely be fucking women outside of that marriage. If the guy is ok with being her beard that's between them but she definitely wouldn't have the right to stop him from fucking other women.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
You can truly love someone and have some aspect of incompatibility. The first guy ya he went to far but frankly he was unironically told to, he still loves her but feels need for sex and was told to seek it out elsewhere so he did.
Edit: his comments are unhinged hea clearly the asshole. But the main post is extremely reasonable
cannot disagree more. the entire post exudes asshole energy. an emotional response to trauma is completely understandable on the wife's part, and the husband is going out of his way to hurt her because she won't give him sex is repulsive.
@amycatass I don't disagree with that interpretation, and clearly in hindsight I missed some aspects of it and this guy was a terrible exampl. But as a general rule of thumb deciding not to have aex as a couple and allowing for other sexual activities doesn't mean you don't love your partner, which they always bring up. If the couple isn't have sex at least one of them says they should get divorced on that aspect alone which is what had me upset
you don't cheat behind someone's back if you love her, you don't go out of your way to hurt them if you love them, he could have solved the situation multiple other ways but he chose the worst possible option that not only hurt his wife but also made the relationship even worse, that's not being "incompatible" that's being an asshole, the reasonable thing to do is just to divorce and stop causing each other even more troubles and pain.
I'm just adding that the "not hiding it" is a huge red flag. He knew if he actually told his wife he was going to have relations with another woman she would disapprove. He tried acting casual about it because he had "permission" but knew he was in the wrong. When push came to shove he couldn't literally say he was cheating, because it'd prove he knew what he was doing was wrong and give him less leverage.
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So first off: Yeah he's garbage for doing that.
But Secondly, they got married with the presence and expectation srx is part of it. It's fine to lose interest later, but not making accommodations for your spouse IS abuse.
A mutual romantic relationship means that you are putting responsibilities for your partners needs onto yourself. It's the entire point. If you don't want to find some way to fulfill your partner's needs you no longer have, including sex, you're also a monster.
This dude is obviously a worse monster in many regards, just to reiterate. But, if we take his character at face value before the cheating, then she is being the abusive one. No notes.
But looking through the Redditification, nah everyone sucks here.
i love the bantering and malehating... but it feels like they take too much time. I liked the first post a lot, but after that the episode just felt weak overall. Same thing happened last week.