Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear my word..... He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.” John 8:43-47. Trinitarians demonstrate in several ways that they are not hearing Jesus in this account at John 8:12-59. But Jesus himself provides all the facts we need to understand what is happening at John 8:58 and what is not happening at John 8:58.
I have heard that a better translation when Yah was talking to moses would be "I am who I am becoming" hopfully that would be enough for you to look into. I appreciate all your videos they have been a blessing.
Greetings Kel.. Very clear to me.. Wonderful teaching, keep this work going.. Trinitarians turn away from the truth & are also deaf... I am of Greek background. Very simple & clear to me... God Bless you Kel.. John.... Australia.
What are your thoughts about what Kel said in regards to people relying on English translations of the Old Testament which is why they need to go to the Greek Septuagint?
@@thetrinitysolution9631 Hello Robert.. If you believe in Trinitarian gibberish then keep searching the scriptures & the truth will set you free from false teachers & prophets... Translators have tampered with scripture to suit... All from Rome mainly. .. A trinitarian cannot even explain the trinity.... Like an egg they say! 1 John 2 22 2 Timothy 4 3-4 God Bless
@@johnb5964 What about my question? Do you have any thoughts about Kel's remarks in regards to not relying on English translations but going to the Greek Septuagint in stead of the Hebrew to derive a proper understanding of the Old Testament?
Powerful Powerful message Kel,,, I enjoyed it very much! it is so very sad that people cannot understand the teachings of Yeshua it truly break's my heart! Father's grace be with you always 👋 🙏🙏✝️
I'm a Trinitarian, but I'm not here to argue doctrine. with you. What I'm truly concerned about is your statement that you enjoyed Kel's message very much. You apparently didn't notice Kel's dishonest handling of the issue and false accusations. I have several videos that document what I'm saying. This is my latest one which is in response to the video above: th-cam.com/video/sJoIdvquJJI/w-d-xo.html As a heads up, I begin exegesis of John 1:1 at 39:55 to show how it teaches the preexistence of Christ as well as His deity. If you don't want to watch that, then just stop at 39:55. You seem like a nice person so please watch at least up to that point so you can see for yourself how Kel misleads his listeners with diversionary tactics and outright false statements. Take care!
11And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: 12For the *Holy Spirit* shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say. Of the prophets YAHWEH said, "I will put my words in your mouth"
@Not Applicable WELL,..... YOU'D BETTER HURRY AND GET IT THEN! LUKE-4-8 DEUTERONOMY 6-13 ISAIAH 45-5 EXODUS-20-3 MATTHEW-15-24-(NOT THE WORLD)!!!! MALACHI 3-6---GOD DON'T CHANGE FOO!!;🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨 2-TIMOTHY2-15- THEN,...HOLLA AT ME🤨 MATTHEW-20-20-28😂 MARK-10-35-45 JOHN-13-1-17/ SO WHY ARE YOU SERVING SOMEONE WHO CAME TO SERVE AND ( NOT TO BE SERVED?)!!! (HE CAME BUT TO DO THE WILL OF GODS NOT TO BE SERVED AS A GOD).. PERIOD!! (THE REAL CHRIST). THE FAKE CHRIST PRETENDS TO BE THE SON OF GOD ( THAT'S SATAN SPEAKING) YOU WOKE YET???🙄🤔🤨🙏
There are people who claim Christ but sow nothing but doubt & discord. Brother Kel, I appreciate you continuing in what you know is true, & not giving in to those who are not what they claim. As we know, the doing of the word is just as important or maybe more important than just hearing. God bless, keep pressing forward brother.
Amen!! I just last week had a rebuke from one of our local Bible study group leaders when in a private meeting with them, I began to introduce to them the truth about the Trinity… one of the ladies casually tossed John 8:58 at me, chuckled and shook her head rolling her eyes at me. I had requested a meeting with the two group leaders to privately discuss the truths I’ve been finding here on Kel’s channel. Knowing I couldn’t possibly begin to cover it all in one meeting, I had only intended to give an overview of the most obvious Trinity doctrine problems and promise to send them some links to your videos. The group leader said he had no interest in what the “internet” has to say about God, instead he told me to go and manually gather all of the “supposed evidence” only from the Bible on my own. So I gently reminded him the Bible says God himself will raise up teachers and pastors etc. within his church so am I to ignore a good teacher just because his studies are on the internet? Ugh. Anyway, I said fine. I need a few weeks to put together an organized presentation for them. Thankfully my dear friend who had first steered me here suggested we roll up our sleeves and work together to gather information from Kel’s channel and bring it to them in a PowerPoint presentation. Please pray for us. Kel is soooo knowledgeable and I only hope we can do his work justice as we attempt to pore over his collection of presentations. Kel… if you’re reading this… it would be absolutely incredible if you have advice for us. I’m sorry to even have to suggest we are essentially tasked with copying your best work. We will make sure to make it known where these excellent resources may be found. I’m just hoping they’ll see enough to start cracking through the scales on their eyelids and them hopefully they will come visit your channel themselves. They claim the truth matters to them… and at the same time, I was told (even before an opportunity to show them the scriptural evidence) NOTHING I would bring them would ever convince them Jesus was human and Jesus is NOT God. So (sigh) I’m going to have to find your most compelling evidence. Pray for this effort to reach them. Thank you Kel for all you do here!
Ask your friend why she has Jesus glorifying himself as God (Jn 8:58) when he had just stated that doing such a thing would mean nothing (8:53-54). In other words, Jesus just said he didn't do such things. All you can do is tell the truth. Make sure you point out that they have a God that Jesus did not and He is the Head of the body of Christ. Jesus did not have a three person God. Should we have a God which the Head does not? In your PP presentation you might want to leave them with the questions in my last video. Do what you think is best and be sure to ask to be guided by the Spirit to do God's will.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Kel! Thank you! I didn’t know if you’d see my comment. Thanks for that. Streamlining it to be compelling and impactful will be key for this group. I love your work!!! So glad my friend shared your channel with me! God bless you
When I read the command section I come to the following conclusion: A lack of spiritual understanding in combination with private interpretations leads to deception
If Kel doesn't engage in "private interpretation" (as you understand the term), then from who did he learn his theology? If you don't know, then how do you know Kel doesn't engage in "private interpretation."
The point at time 31:00 discussing how Trinitarians saying that Jesus is claiming to be God, is Jesus glorifying himself, is exactly opposite what Jesus said and did, is a very important point. Good topic! Their false idol is polytheisism and idolatry.
If you were able to see "Brother Kel's" sleight-of-hand tactics as readily as Trinitarians (a vanishingly small number of them) see Jesus in burnt toast, you would not even be posting in these comments. If you want to see exactly how he played you like a fiddle, you can find out here: th-cam.com/video/sJoIdvquJJI/w-d-xo.html
And God will teach him the Book and wisdom, and give him the knowledge of the Torah and the Gospel, and appoint him as His Messenger to the children of Israel." Quran 3:45-49
But he never said that he will deceive all of mankind and make some illusion nonsense to fake the death of Jesus 🤦♂️, listen brother Jesus's crucifixion is a historical fact you can look to any trustworthy account from the ancient time and you'll find out that Jesus death on the cross is a fact, so we don't need the quran to come after 700 years and Contradict history than you.
@@الربيسوعهوالحق why would he make it up.. The Quran accuses the Jews of times before killing prophets.. Why not go with the same narrative and point the finger on this event?? . Could have easily blamed the Jews for killing jesus. Moreover The Quran doesn't go against other historical events in the bible. So why the most obvious and damming event he would disagree with if Muhammad as Christians claim was simply copying from the Bible ??. Jesus being saved has massive importance. If you look at what the Quran says, it's explains that there was a crucifixion. The Quran is not denying the historical event. The Quran claims people also are in conjecture as to what happened. Is it true the four gospels have different accounts or variations of the story event? . Josephus wasn't there personally. Like I just mentioned and I repeat, the Quran doesn't deny the event happening. Big reason why the messiah can not die read your Bible
@@yeahbuddy4712 and their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, [who claimed to be] an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; and, verily, those who hold conflicting views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere conjecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay him The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him. Safi Kaskas and said, "We have killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God." However, they did not kill him, nor did (they crucify him)🤦♂️ , though it was made to appear as if it had been so. Those who disagree are confused, having no [real] knowledge to follow, only supposition. They certainly did not kill him. The quran don't have history brother, secondly why would God make stuff up so he can deceive people or rather deceive billions and billions of people for 2000 years 🤦♂️, third if you want evidence from the bible that the messiah will die go to isaiah 53 and they should clear stuff up.
I don't see in chapter 8 that that verse 58 is just an ideal pre existence? Can you give me the verse where did apostle john says that john 8 58 is just an ideal pre existence?
Question for you.... What was the point of the Father telling the Jews that he was the "I Am" in John 8:58?.... Any Old Testament Jew would have known that the Father was the "I Am" of Exodus 3:14!
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV. Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father. In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5 God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17 The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on? Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
Quick note: Revelation 13:8 absolutely does not say "the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world". The clause “from the foundation of the world” goes with “everyone whose name has not been written" (see the ASV and many other modern translations). In other words, everyone whose name had not been written in the Lamb's book of life from the time of creation. The word _apo_ doesn't mean "before", it means "from". And it doesn't refer to a singular event, but a continuous activity (in this case of writing names in the book of life, an activity which began at creation).
1 Corinthians 15: 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, (Paul calls himself God? I don't think so). I have written a short book that catalogues everywhere in scripture where someone said of themselves "I am." If anyone is interested it's available at scribd for free.
One big mistake everyone makes is that the conversation was NOT about Jesus IDENTITY it was about his "AGE." JOHN 8:56-59 HE was saying to the Jews that he was BEFORE Abraham .
The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV. Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father. In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5 God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17 The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on? Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
"The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him." Your Bible says the Father is in all true believers. The fullness of God is in believers.
I haven't finished this video yet Kel, I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before to you either, but I could have a while ago. Have you, or anyone else on this page, ever considered that in many cases concerning the NT verses which speak of "before the foundation of the world" etc, that the world the author has in mind is the new world spoken of in Hebrews 2 v 5 and not the world created in Genesis 1? Any thoughts on this folks would be great, thanks. Mark Sinclair (N Ireland)
In the expression "foundation of the world" the word for WORLD is kosmos. In every case, it does seem to refer to the past not the future. The word used at Hebrews 2 for the WORLD to come is oikoumene. In the NT, esp. John, the world-kosmos is a fallen thing. Believers are not of the world-kosmos because it is a fallen reality. Because of this, the expression "`foundation of the world" opens a whole can of worms. The meaning of the Greek word translated as "foundation" is not so clear. It is the noun katabolē which in the verb form is kataballō which means to ``cast down`` which in turn leads one to think "foundation of the world" actually means "downfall of the world." The word for the devil is also related, diabolos. The actual meaning of katabolē may not be FOUNDATION. Not only so, there is another word for FOUNDATION in the Greek and that word obviously does mean a FOUNDATION. Hebrews 4:3 is kind of a sticking point on this question.
Spencer many are ignorant that the world to come has already begun in Christ. He is the first. However when many see the word world they think of the world that birthed creation and the first Adam. In short, yes. Continue being led by the spirit of Christ.
@@thewayoftheking399 yes, I believe the world to come has started in Christ Jesus, he is the beginning. I understand where Kel is coming from but I believe he could be wrong concerning my previous question. I believe it's quite possible that "being slain from the foundation" etc does actually mean what it says literally and therefore has the new order of things in mind. Isaiah 51 verse 6 I think it is speaks of the messiah reordering God's created order, creating something new, it's an interesting thought any way. More input folks will be great..... with a humble heart I must add. Thanks
@@spencersinclair9154 Ephesians 1: 4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, ...: Revelation 13: 8. ...Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. I lean toward the new world. I see revelation in a way alluding to the fact that Jesus' death was a precursor to the new world to come and that we presently experience in him through the deposit of the Holy Spirit (1:13). In Ephesians 1:4 he says that we were chosen before the foundations of the world by the father in the beloved ( Jesus ) so that we could be perfect for the father. As far as just knowing. I think the father knows everything and knows who are his nevertheless I think he's saying something more. God knows who are his chosen, in the same way that the son was the chosen one. When God chose the son, he poured upon him the Holy Spirit. In the same way, we are chosen as proven by being in spiritual places with Christ ( as stated in the preceding context vs 3). In short I think the choosing is now.
@@thewayoftheking399 I'm Spencer in case you're wondering, I was using my phone as I came home from work earlier. Yes, I also believe our chosenness is in this present age, Romans 8 and the foreknowledge aspect I believe is also now in time by the testing of our hearts etc. I lean towards the idea that we have missed the heart of the NT saints and their view of the new creation, Christ was slain before this new age, Christs prayer in John 17 had all of us believers in mind, we were chosen in him before the foundation of the new world to come. " World" has different interpretations as we know, Kel touched on it, but its broader in scope that that. In and of itself it cannot be confined to our planet in physical terms, it can speak of an adornment, an ordered system etc. Due to the people on Kels page and Kel himself, could we take a look at this topic and see if it holds water please, thanks folks.
John 8:59 "At that point they picked up stones to throw at him..." They recognised the blasphemy and we ready to kill him. So contextually speaking it wasn't a normal claim, it was a blasphemous claim what he said in John 8:58
@@TheTrinityDelusion Despite being lawless murderers they needed a reason to murder someone they weren't murdering anyone they see, and surely a blasphemous claim is reason enough at least by Mosaic law to get a ton of stones hurled at you.
I have to stop half way, got some stuff to do, but I have to post. .. I would really, really, would not want to be one of the pitiful trinity trolls.. What a total victory for Truth... It's a rough day for those trolls. ..ps, God loves you, come on in from the cold. ...it's ok.
@@TheTrinityDelusion No but it said in the old Testament that he's God priest forever so.... And I know that Jesus is God's priest forever. So Melchizedek and Jesus may link.
Kel is actually correct. And although there are those who believe Melchizedek was the pre-incarnate Christ, I'm not one of them. But in this video, I show how Melchizedek in Hebrews 6:17 - 7:1-3.:demonstrates the pre-existence and eternality of Christ: th-cam.com/video/gT9ds7htBrc/w-d-xo.html
The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV. Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father. In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5 God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17 The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on? Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
Why do you misinterpret John 8:58? John says Jesus preexists as the son of God. He also says Jesus came in flesh. Jesus claims to preexist in John gospel. Why don't you believe it?can you prove that Jesus does not preexist from John 's words?
@@sunkaraeliya2889 These people know how it is to reason with a trinitarian - you cannot, they just won't accept the trinity is not in scripture and is false. Trying to reason with ones who deny Christ's pre human existence is the same - actually worse because it is plain as day in scripture yet they are blind to it - amazing.
I thought it was pretty clear. He said Abraham is not your father, God is. Jesus said he is the son of man. He affirms he is Christ the son of the Blessed. David was also first born son of God, who Jesus claims descent. Which gives him right to be Christ. None can get to God except through Jesus, because Jesus is the messenger, the bringer of the light of salvation. Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not (don't worship me): for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. Jesus says in Matthew 11:11 “Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater (prophet) than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” Jesus is the fellow servant (of God) of John, who he says is the greatest prophet. Jesus was born of a Woman. He is being humble and exalts his fellow servant.
Be careful; do not turn Jesus into something he is not. Do not tell people Jesus is "THE WORD". God never said that Jesus is "THE WORD". Do you understand that God stood before Abraham and spoke to him face to face. The reason they do not hear is obviously clear.
@Bomboy Fred Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. even thy God. God has a God? or is it the authority of God being given to Jesus, like Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. As for Proverbs 8, the entire chapter is about God's Wisdom, you can't take one verse out of it's context and make it fit your own doctrine.
(1) The Exodus passage only says EYEH (rendered I AM) once, it says YHWH eleven times, yet the trinis fixate on "I am". . . . . . (2) If the Hebrew Bible taught or allowed for a man being God, it would not be an offense to those Jews.
The original greek here is "e.go eimi" after the a'orist infinitive clause, rendered in the perfect tense. John does not use "Ho Ohn", I AM". This was one of many attempts by pro 'trinitarian' scribes to slant translation to favour the trinity! Jesus was simply telling the Jews he had a prehuman existance in heavan with his father, 'before the world was' ( see John 17:5). He was not assuming he was God!
Actually , Jesus does NOT claim to be God but the SON of God. Why don`t Trinitarians believe that? The reason for the comments by Jesus like " You see me you see God" "I do and say what the Father tells me" "The Father is in me" etc. etc. is because GOD IS A SPIRIT. A spirit being can actually inhabit a human or another spirit just like in a demon possessed person. Now that is truly ONENESS.
The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV. Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father. In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5 God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17 The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on? Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
@@timl5282 According to the Bible Jesus (PBUH) is "Perfect" in Hebrew "Meshullam". "Meshullam" is same as Arabic "Muslim" according to Ellicott's Commentary. The word "Muslim" is in the Hebrew Bible Isaiah 42:19. Following are English translation of the word "Muslim" in different English translations of the Bible. ⦁ King James -------------------------"he who is perfect" ⦁ Ellicott's Commentary -------------"surrendered one" ⦁ World English Bible ----------------"he who is at peace" ⦁ American Standard Version--------" he that is at peace with me" ⦁ New International Version----------"one in covenant with me(G-d)" ⦁ New Living Translation----------------"my chosen people" ⦁ English Standard Version -------------"my dedicated one"
@C S According to the Bible Jesus (PBUH) is "Perfect" in Hebrew "Meshullam". "Meshullam" is same as Arabic "Muslim" according to Ellicott's Commentary. The word "Muslim" is in the Hebrew Bible Isaiah 42:19. Following are English translation of the word "Muslim" in different English translations of the Bible. ⦁ King James -------------------------"he who is perfect" ⦁ Ellicott's Commentary -------------"surrendered one" ⦁ World English Bible ----------------"he who is at peace" ⦁ American Standard Version--------" he that is at peace with me" ⦁ New International Version----------"one in covenant with me(G-d)" ⦁ New Living Translation----------------"my chosen people" ⦁ English Standard Version -------------"my dedicated one"
Quran. And remember when the angels said, "O Mary, God sends you the good news of a Command of His: his name shall be Messiah, Jesus son of Mary. He will be highly honored in this world and in the Next World and he will be among those favored by God. He will speak to the people alike when in the cradle and when grown up, and he will be among the righteous." Hearing this, Mary said, "How, O Lord, shall I have a son, when no man has ever touched me?" "Thus shall it be,"
@Anastasia Monroe And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him (saying): ‘none has the right to be worshipped but I, so worship Me.’" (Quran 21:25)
@Anastasia Monroe Moses declared: "Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4). This was repeated 1500 years later by Jesus, when he said: "The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.’" (Mark 12:29).
So your point about Muhammad being later is not relevant. Abraham was 5000yrs before. Still came to preach the onese of God and not to worship idol's or man.
@Anastasia Monroe And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous (Surah Al-Baqara, 130)
Brother Kel, there is a video by Islam Critiqued, made sometime last year, responding to one of your videos. The "Islam Critiqued" dude apparently thought he was "debunking" or "tearing apart" your arguments (he was just regurgitating Trinitarian "proof" nonsense). He did it with much sarcasm and arrogance. Would you be willing to turn around and respond to his video? He needs some serious humbling, and the truth we hold as Unitarians has the power to do that. I don't know, just a thought. :) God bless you.
jesus is adam. plain as day. before abraham, he was. he IS the root and the offspring of david. adam is the son of god. jesus is the son of god. jesus is the second adam. that makes adam the first christ. an all-righteous god would only have the one who brought sin into the world to pay for it, atone for it, and reconcile all.
i can buy that but that doesnt settle the issue. i really would like to hear more of what you think. i am serious. there is either a ton of reincarnation in the bible or something else is going on that is not yet clear to me. thank you for the reply. you do a great job.
nope. ezekiel 28. adam was anointed(christ) and so was eve. adam was given dominion. adam is the only begotten son of god. everyone else is a son of man (and of woman). i was expecting way more, brother kel.
the word is God's spoken word, not a pre-incarnate christ. he is the Son of God, he came from God, who'm is in heaven. God GAVE us his only BEGOTTEN Son. also, Jesus was IN heaven when he said that? God always knew. Jesus always had glory according to God, the one he was talking to when he said that.
@@TheKingdomOfGodIsAtHand So you believe Messiah Yeshua is almighty? John 1:10 all heaven and earth came in to existence through him, which means he had a pre-human existence. Col 1:15-17
@@IAM-kg5pq the word was God. You're superimposing a pre incarnate Christ into the word word. Psalm 33:6 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
@@TheKingdomOfGodIsAtHand Not sure what you're talking about. Scripture is clear that nothing came into existence apart from Christ - he created everything, except father and himself of course. If he made all things in the heavens and earth (at father's will) then he must have had a pre-human existence.
You have not dealt with ἐγὼ εἰμί (Ego Eimi) truthfully. You know as well as I do that it means " to exist". In response to the Pharisees misconception that Jesus had said Abraham had seen him (Jesus), he replies 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.' You are correct that he was not claiming to be God. But he was declaring that even before Abraham existed, he (Jesus) existed. In your Unitarian Delusion you do the same thing that you accuse Trinitarians of doing; eisegesis of scripture to support your position!
God's works were finished from the foundation of the world. Jesus was the Lamb who had been slain from the foundation of the world. Go and learn what this means.
@@TheTrinityDelusion On the one hand you take scripture literally, but if a scripture doesn't fit your doctrine then it is explained as being conceptual, or more usually, you ignore the point being made and respond with a question. In this instance I explained Jesus' use of Ego Eimi is saying he existed before Abraham. But your Unitarian spin on this passage expects Trinitarians to believe that Jesus is referring to the idea and plan that God had in His mind in the beginning.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Ho hum, another of your stock responses "you weren't listening". Your delusion prevents you from seeing Scripture clearly teaches that the Son of God existed prior to all creation (John 1:1-5), that Jesus is truly God (Titus 2:13), and that the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father (Matthew 28:19).
WWJD. What would Jesus do? He would not ask: "What would King David do?" He would not ask: "What would Abraham do?" He definitely wouldn't ask: "What would Job do?" Nor would he ask, and I am saying this a little tongue in cheek, "What would I, Jesus, do?" He didn't seek David's will, Abraham's will, Job's will, OR even His own self-will. Jesus only and always sought the will of the Father. WWJD? Worship God, the Father, as his God - only and true. (Jn 20:17; 17:3).
And there are two OTHER contextually relative points to this; One: Jesus often referred to the Old Testament prohecies, of which HE was a Large part of. When he was saying, "I AM," he was simply attesting to those very prophecies. Jesus was therefore SAYing---He is the One---The One who was Prophe- cied over..."I Am HE..." Secondly: It's quite clear, even by his very Name, that Jesus is not...CAN NOT, be the, "One TRUE GOD." The very Name, Christ---or, Messiah does NOT mean...GOD, it means, "the A- nointed One." And Col.2:9, you know, one of trinitarian's favorite verses; It is all TOO easy to JUMP to MISconception and assume the Verse is Flat-out PROCLAIMING Jesus as GOD, despite the Fact, we see the Words, "GOD the FATHER" all OVER the New Testament! No. Jesus, as Acts10:38-40 CLEARLY teaches, had to be "GIVEN" the...The WHAT? Yeh---The Holy Spirit! If he was Almighty GOD, in and OF himSELF, why would he need to be Given anything---Much less that which he shoould al- ready possess---PERPETUALLY? He, Christ, was ANOINTED...( With what?), the Holy Spirit. PLUS: Scripture plainly States: He was, "Obedient unto Death...Even the death of the cross." Well, the FATHER doesn't have to ANSWER to ANYone.
Exo 3:14 in Hebrew reads , not . The pronoun 'I' is implicit in Hebrew word. LXX translates it as . In Greek the pronoun 'egō' is often implicit and not needed. Here is how Trinitarian magic conjured up a monster:
Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear my word..... He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.” John 8:43-47. Trinitarians demonstrate in several ways that they are not hearing Jesus in this account at John 8:12-59. But Jesus himself provides all the facts we need to understand what is happening at John 8:58 and what is not happening at John 8:58.
If you know the truth tell us briefly here. Tell us what Jesus is. I am saying what the Bible says .I am not saying my own interpretations.
@@sunkaraeliya2889 I am saying what the Bible says .I am not saying my own interpretations.``
Please consider the utter naivety of your own words.
I have heard that a better translation when Yah was talking to moses would be "I am who I am becoming" hopfully that would be enough for you to look into. I appreciate all your videos they have been a blessing.
I can show you number of scriptures from the Bible you are wrong about Jesus.
If you know that we are wrong why don't you correct us?
When I see your videos again and again I become aware that that I need God's wisdom.Every time I see them I see as new.Thanks!
This is such a good topic and video that I've had to listen to it and ponder over it many times.
Greetings Kel.. Very clear to me.. Wonderful teaching, keep this work going.. Trinitarians turn away from the truth & are also deaf... I am of Greek background. Very simple & clear to me... God Bless you Kel.. John.... Australia.
What are your thoughts about what Kel said in regards to people relying on English translations of the Old Testament which is why they need to go to the Greek Septuagint?
@@thetrinitysolution9631 Hello Robert.. If you believe in Trinitarian gibberish then keep searching the scriptures & the truth will set you free from false teachers & prophets... Translators have tampered with scripture to suit... All from Rome mainly. ..
A trinitarian cannot even explain the trinity.... Like an egg they say!
1 John 2 22
2 Timothy 4 3-4
God Bless
@@johnb5964 What about my question? Do you have any thoughts about Kel's remarks in regards to not relying on English translations but going to the Greek Septuagint in stead of the Hebrew to derive a proper understanding of the Old Testament?
Home Run! Thank you Kel. I appreciate the ministry that God has given you 🙏🏼 #keeponkeepingon
Powerful Powerful message Kel,,, I enjoyed it very much!
it is so very sad that people cannot understand the teachings of Yeshua it truly break's my heart!
Father's grace be with you always 👋 🙏🙏✝️
I'm a Trinitarian, but I'm not here to argue doctrine. with you. What I'm truly concerned about is your statement that you enjoyed Kel's message very much. You apparently didn't notice Kel's dishonest handling of the issue and false accusations. I have several videos that document what I'm saying. This is my latest one which is in response to the video above: th-cam.com/video/sJoIdvquJJI/w-d-xo.html
As a heads up, I begin exegesis of John 1:1 at 39:55 to show how it teaches the preexistence of Christ as well as His deity. If you don't want to watch that, then just stop at 39:55. You seem like a nice person so please watch at least up to that point so you can see for yourself how Kel misleads his listeners with diversionary tactics and outright false statements. Take care!
many thanks
"He's off golfing... he's done!"
hahaha... good humor Brother Kel. (Time 25:50.)
God's word is light. Jesus has God 's words so he is the light of the world. Paul says we are also lights as we are preaching gospel.
Sunkara Eliya yes you are right
11And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: 12For the *Holy Spirit* shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Of the prophets YAHWEH said, "I will put my words in your mouth"
PAUL WAS/ IS A LIER AND JESUS...,( THE REAL ONE)
CAME BUT FOR THE
(HOUSE OF ISREAL NOT THE WORLD) !!! THERE ARE 2 CHRIST IN THE BIBLE. READ!
@Not Applicable WELL,.....
YOU'D BETTER HURRY AND GET IT THEN!
LUKE-4-8
DEUTERONOMY 6-13
ISAIAH 45-5
EXODUS-20-3
MATTHEW-15-24-(NOT THE WORLD)!!!!
MALACHI 3-6---GOD DON'T CHANGE FOO!!;🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
2-TIMOTHY2-15- THEN,...HOLLA AT ME🤨
MATTHEW-20-20-28😂
MARK-10-35-45
JOHN-13-1-17/ SO WHY ARE YOU SERVING SOMEONE WHO CAME TO SERVE AND ( NOT TO BE SERVED?)!!!
(HE CAME BUT TO DO THE WILL OF GODS NOT TO BE SERVED AS A GOD).. PERIOD!!
(THE REAL CHRIST).
THE FAKE CHRIST PRETENDS TO BE THE SON OF GOD ( THAT'S SATAN SPEAKING)
YOU WOKE YET???🙄🤔🤨🙏
There are people who claim Christ but sow nothing but doubt & discord.
Brother Kel, I appreciate you continuing in what you know is true, & not giving in to those who are not what they claim. As we know, the doing of the word is just as important or maybe more important than just hearing.
God bless, keep pressing forward brother.
Yep. Words are cheap, actions are not.
Great teaching.
Here's some better teaching! th-cam.com/video/sJoIdvquJJI/w-d-xo.html
Amen!! I just last week had a rebuke from one of our local Bible study group leaders when in a private meeting with them, I began to introduce to them the truth about the Trinity… one of the ladies casually tossed John 8:58 at me, chuckled and shook her head rolling her eyes at me.
I had requested a meeting with the two group leaders to privately discuss the truths I’ve been finding here on Kel’s channel. Knowing I couldn’t possibly begin to cover it all in one meeting, I had only intended to give an overview of the most obvious Trinity doctrine problems and promise to send them some links to your videos. The group leader said he had no interest in what the “internet” has to say about God, instead he told me to go and manually gather all of the “supposed evidence” only from the Bible on my own.
So I gently reminded him the Bible says God himself will raise up teachers and pastors etc. within his church so am I to ignore a good teacher just because his studies are on the internet? Ugh. Anyway, I said fine. I need a few weeks to put together an organized presentation for them. Thankfully my dear friend who had first steered me here suggested we roll up our sleeves and work together to gather information from Kel’s channel and bring it to them in a PowerPoint presentation.
Please pray for us. Kel is soooo knowledgeable and I only hope we can do his work justice as we attempt to pore over his collection of presentations.
Kel… if you’re reading this… it would be absolutely incredible if you have advice for us. I’m sorry to even have to suggest we are essentially tasked with copying your best work. We will make sure to make it known where these excellent resources may be found. I’m just hoping they’ll see enough to start cracking through the scales on their eyelids and them hopefully they will come visit your channel themselves.
They claim the truth matters to them… and at the same time, I was told (even before an opportunity to show them the scriptural evidence) NOTHING I would bring them would ever convince them Jesus was human and Jesus is NOT God. So (sigh) I’m going to have to find your most compelling evidence. Pray for this effort to reach them. Thank you Kel for all you do here!
Ask your friend why she has Jesus glorifying himself as God (Jn 8:58) when he had just stated that doing such a thing would mean nothing (8:53-54). In other words, Jesus just said he didn't do such things. All you can do is tell the truth. Make sure you point out that they have a God that Jesus did not and He is the Head of the body of Christ. Jesus did not have a three person God. Should we have a God which the Head does not? In your PP presentation you might want to leave them with the questions in my last video. Do what you think is best and be sure to ask to be guided by the Spirit to do God's will.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Kel! Thank you! I didn’t know if you’d see my comment. Thanks for that. Streamlining it to be compelling and impactful will be key for this group. I love your work!!! So glad my friend shared your channel with me! God bless you
29:40 IS THE ANSWER
What book 29.40? Or is this a time marker on video?
When I read the command section I come to the following conclusion:
A lack of spiritual understanding in combination with private interpretations leads to deception
The sad reality.
If Kel doesn't engage in "private interpretation" (as you understand the term), then from who did he learn his theology? If you don't know, then how do you know Kel doesn't engage in "private interpretation."
Delusion
The point at time 31:00 discussing how Trinitarians saying that Jesus is claiming to be God, is Jesus glorifying himself, is exactly opposite what Jesus said and did, is a very important point. Good topic! Their false idol is polytheisism and idolatry.
When they say God shall torture most of humanity they blaspheme the name and character of God for God is love.
It's always trinitarians seeing Jesus in a burnt piece of toast. Eisegesis: seeing 3 in "we".
If you were able to see "Brother Kel's" sleight-of-hand tactics as readily as Trinitarians (a vanishingly small number of them) see Jesus in burnt toast, you would not even be posting in these comments. If you want to see exactly how he played you like a fiddle, you can find out here: th-cam.com/video/sJoIdvquJJI/w-d-xo.html
@@thetrinitysolution9631 You've been warned about this already. Time to grow up.
@@TheTrinityDelusion How is that spam?
It’s part of the delusion
Rev 22:16 . Will that is what it is .I AM .
And God will teach him the Book and wisdom, and give him the knowledge of the Torah and the Gospel, and appoint him as His Messenger to the children of Israel." Quran 3:45-49
But he never said that he will deceive all of mankind and make some illusion nonsense to fake the death of Jesus 🤦♂️, listen brother Jesus's crucifixion is a historical fact you can look to any trustworthy account from the ancient time and you'll find out that Jesus death on the cross is a fact, so we don't need the quran to come after 700 years and Contradict history than you.
@@الربيسوعهوالحق why would he make it up.. The Quran accuses the Jews of times before killing prophets.. Why not go with the same narrative and point the finger on this event?? . Could have easily blamed the Jews for killing jesus. Moreover The Quran doesn't go against other historical events in the bible. So why the most obvious and damming event he would disagree with if Muhammad as Christians claim was simply copying from the Bible ??. Jesus being saved has massive importance. If you look at what the Quran says, it's explains that there was a crucifixion. The Quran is not denying the historical event. The Quran claims people also are in conjecture as to what happened. Is it true the four gospels have different accounts or variations of the story event? . Josephus wasn't there personally. Like I just mentioned and I repeat, the Quran doesn't deny the event happening. Big reason why the messiah can not die read your Bible
@@yeahbuddy4712 and their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, [who claimed to be] an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; and, verily, those who hold conflicting views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere conjecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay him
The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab
and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.
Safi Kaskas
and said, "We have killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God." However, they did not kill him, nor did (they crucify him)🤦♂️ , though it was made to appear as if it had been so. Those who disagree are confused, having no [real] knowledge to follow, only supposition. They certainly did not kill him.
The quran don't have history brother, secondly why would God make stuff up so he can deceive people or rather deceive billions and billions of people for 2000 years 🤦♂️, third if you want evidence from the bible that the messiah will die go to isaiah 53 and they should clear stuff up.
I don't see in chapter 8 that that verse 58 is just an ideal pre existence?
Can you give me the verse where did apostle john says that john 8 58 is just an ideal pre existence?
Please read John 8:59 & John 18:6
Nice! Fantastic verses to support Unitarians!
Question for you.... What was the point of the Father telling the Jews that he was the "I Am" in John 8:58?.... Any Old Testament Jew would have known that the Father was the "I Am" of Exodus 3:14!
The point is illustrated by the contextual dialogue
@@TheTrinityDelusion Good dodge......:)
@@Kingjamesbible1611-r Well you can read, right? What were they talking about?
@@TheTrinityDelusion Several things....
Still waiting!
Sir..would you explain Roman's 1:20
There is a Divine nature referring to the father
I can't understand that verse
Pls explain to me
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV.
Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father.
In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17
The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on?
Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
Quick note: Revelation 13:8 absolutely does not say "the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world".
The clause “from the foundation of the world” goes with “everyone whose name has not been written" (see the ASV and many other modern translations). In other words, everyone whose name had not been written in the Lamb's book of life from the time of creation. The word _apo_ doesn't mean "before", it means "from". And it doesn't refer to a singular event, but a continuous activity (in this case of writing names in the book of life, an activity which began at creation).
Except it says εν τω βιβλιω της ζωης του αρνιου του εσφαγμενου απο καταβολης κοσμου
1 Corinthians 15: 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, (Paul calls himself God? I don't think so).
I have written a short book that catalogues everywhere in scripture where someone said of themselves "I am."
If anyone is interested it's available at scribd for free.
One big mistake everyone makes is that the conversation was NOT about Jesus IDENTITY it was about his "AGE." JOHN 8:56-59 HE was saying to the Jews that he was BEFORE Abraham .
The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV.
Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father.
In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17
The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on?
Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
"The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him."
Your Bible says the Father is in all true believers. The fullness of God is in believers.
I haven't finished this video yet Kel, I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before to you either, but I could have a while ago. Have you, or anyone else on this page, ever considered that in many cases concerning the NT verses which speak of "before the foundation of the world" etc, that the world the author has in mind is the new world spoken of in Hebrews 2 v 5 and not the world created in Genesis 1? Any thoughts on this folks would be great, thanks.
Mark Sinclair (N Ireland)
In the expression "foundation of the world" the word for WORLD is kosmos. In every case, it does seem to refer to the past not the future. The word used at Hebrews 2 for the WORLD to come is oikoumene. In the NT, esp. John, the world-kosmos is a fallen thing. Believers are not of the world-kosmos because it is a fallen reality. Because of this, the expression "`foundation of the world" opens a whole can of worms. The meaning of the Greek word translated as "foundation" is not so clear. It is the noun katabolē which in the verb form is kataballō which means to ``cast down`` which in turn leads one to think "foundation of the world" actually means "downfall of the world." The word for the devil is also related, diabolos. The actual meaning of katabolē may not be FOUNDATION. Not only so, there is another word for FOUNDATION in the Greek and that word obviously does mean a FOUNDATION. Hebrews 4:3 is kind of a sticking point on this question.
Spencer many are ignorant that the world to come has already begun in Christ. He is the first. However when many see the word world they think of the world that birthed creation and the first Adam. In short, yes. Continue being led by the spirit of Christ.
@@thewayoftheking399 yes, I believe the world to come has started in Christ Jesus, he is the beginning. I understand where Kel is coming from but I believe he could be wrong concerning my previous question. I believe it's quite possible that "being slain from the foundation" etc does actually mean what it says literally and therefore has the new order of things in mind. Isaiah 51 verse 6 I think it is speaks of the messiah reordering God's created order, creating something new, it's an interesting thought any way. More input folks will be great..... with a humble heart I must add. Thanks
@@spencersinclair9154 Ephesians 1: 4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, ...:
Revelation 13: 8. ...Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
I lean toward the new world. I see revelation in a way alluding to the fact that Jesus' death was a precursor to the new world to come and that we presently experience in him through the deposit of the Holy Spirit (1:13). In Ephesians 1:4 he says that we were chosen before the foundations of the world by the father in the beloved ( Jesus ) so that we could be perfect for the father.
As far as just knowing. I think the father knows everything and knows who are his nevertheless I think he's saying something more. God knows who are his chosen, in the same way that the son was the chosen one. When God chose the son, he poured upon him the Holy Spirit. In the same way, we are chosen as proven by being in spiritual places with Christ ( as stated in the preceding context vs 3). In short I think the choosing is now.
@@thewayoftheking399 I'm Spencer in case you're wondering, I was using my phone as I came home from work earlier.
Yes, I also believe our chosenness is in this present age, Romans 8 and the foreknowledge aspect I believe is also now in time by the testing of our hearts etc. I lean towards the idea that we have missed the heart of the NT saints and their view of the new creation, Christ was slain before this new age, Christs prayer in John 17 had all of us believers in mind, we were chosen in him before the foundation of the new world to come. " World" has different interpretations as we know, Kel touched on it, but its broader in scope that that. In and of itself it cannot be confined to our planet in physical terms, it can speak of an adornment, an ordered system etc.
Due to the people on Kels page and Kel himself, could we take a look at this topic and see if it holds water please, thanks folks.
John 8:59 "At that point they picked up stones to throw at him..." They recognised the blasphemy and we ready to kill him. So contextually speaking it wasn't a normal claim, it was a blasphemous claim what he said in John 8:58
Jesus said they wanted to kill him because they were lawless murderers. You seem to be claiming they wanted to stone him for righteous reasons.
@@TheTrinityDelusion
Despite being lawless murderers they needed a reason to murder someone they weren't murdering anyone they see, and surely a blasphemous claim is reason enough at least by Mosaic law to get a ton of stones hurled at you.
@@thesummitofthelord Jesus tells us whose words he is speaking. Whose words did he way he was speaking?
I have to stop half way, got some stuff to do, but I have to post. .. I would really, really, would not want to be one of the pitiful trinity trolls.. What a total victory for Truth... It's a rough day for those trolls. ..ps, God loves you, come on in from the cold. ...it's ok.
Who is Melchizedek, then if Christ only existed when conceive in Mary
Are you suggesting we are to fantasize that Melchizedek is Jesus?
@@TheTrinityDelusion
No but it said in the old Testament that he's God priest forever so....
And I know that Jesus is God's priest forever.
So Melchizedek and Jesus may link.
@@TheTrinityDelusion
So the question I have is what became of Melchizedek, because it said he's God's priest forever?
@@kamalibrathwaite I don't think so. Psalm 110 isn't referring to Melchizedek but someone who will be a priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Kel is actually correct. And although there are those who believe Melchizedek was the pre-incarnate Christ, I'm not one of them. But in this video, I show how Melchizedek in Hebrews 6:17 - 7:1-3.:demonstrates the pre-existence and eternality of Christ: th-cam.com/video/gT9ds7htBrc/w-d-xo.html
show me one time in the whole Bible where Jesus says He is not God or where the scripture clearly says Jesus is not God...
Why?
With that reasoning, I might be God because I haven’t said that I am not God....or a tree, rabbit, monkey, fish etc
The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV.
Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father.
In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17
The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on?
Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
Why do you misinterpret John 8:58? John says Jesus preexists as the son of God. He also says Jesus came in flesh. Jesus claims to preexist in John gospel. Why don't you believe it?can you prove that Jesus does not preexist from John 's words?
Does it say Jesus existed as a person or a being with anew own conscience before Abraham was?
Adding to scriptures?
God forbid.
As a divine being.(son of God)
@@sunkaraeliya2889 Now you adding again to the scriptures
@@sunkaraeliya2889 galatians 4:4...born of a woman, born under law...
Hebrews 3:1... Jesus Christ, 2 faithful to him who created him,...
@@sunkaraeliya2889 These people know how it is to reason with a trinitarian - you cannot, they just won't accept the trinity is not in scripture and is false. Trying to reason with ones who deny Christ's pre human existence is the same - actually worse because it is plain as day in scripture yet they are blind to it - amazing.
I thought it was pretty clear. He said Abraham is not your father, God is.
Jesus said he is the son of man. He affirms he is Christ the son of the Blessed.
David was also first born son of God, who Jesus claims descent. Which gives him right to be Christ.
None can get to God except through Jesus, because Jesus is the messenger, the bringer of the light of salvation.
Rev 22:8
And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not (don't worship me): for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Jesus says in Matthew 11:11 “Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater (prophet) than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”
Jesus is the fellow servant (of God) of John, who he says is the greatest prophet. Jesus was born of a Woman. He is being humble and exalts his fellow servant.
Be careful; do not turn Jesus into something he is not. Do not tell people Jesus is "THE WORD". God never said that Jesus is "THE WORD". Do you understand that God stood before Abraham and spoke to him face to face. The reason they do not hear is obviously clear.
@Bomboy Fred Thank you for highlighting Rev 19:13.
@Bomboy Fred Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
even thy God. God has a God? or is it the authority of God being given to Jesus, like
Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
As for Proverbs 8, the entire chapter is about God's Wisdom, you can't take one verse out of it's context and make it fit your own doctrine.
If you claim Jesus Is the great IAM, the God of Israel, then you are claiming that *Jesus is God_the Father* , which contradicts Trinity doctrine.
(1) The Exodus passage only says EYEH (rendered I AM) once, it says YHWH eleven times, yet the trinis fixate on "I am". . . . . . (2) If the Hebrew Bible taught or allowed for a man being God, it would not be an offense to those Jews.
The original greek here is "e.go eimi" after the a'orist infinitive clause, rendered in the perfect tense. John does not use "Ho Ohn", I AM". This was one of many attempts by pro 'trinitarian' scribes to slant translation to favour the trinity! Jesus was simply telling the Jews he had a prehuman existance in heavan with his father, 'before the world was' ( see John 17:5). He was not assuming he was God!
just looking for truth , did not know people don't like it .
Actually , Jesus does NOT claim to be God but the SON of God. Why don`t Trinitarians believe that? The reason for the comments by Jesus like " You see me you see God" "I do and say what the Father tells me" "The Father is in me" etc. etc. is because GOD IS A SPIRIT. A spirit being can actually inhabit a human or another spirit just like in a demon possessed person. Now that is truly ONENESS.
If Jesus (PBUH) is "Slave of G-d" and "Meshulam" how can he be G-d?
The reason that Jesus is called God is because his Father the only true God is in him.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman's 1:20 KJV.
Godhead is a singular noun that means the deity. The godhead is God the Father.
In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead(The Father) bodily. God the Father was manifest in the flesh, the flesh is his Son.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, this is why Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
God the Father is Holy. God the Father is a Spirit. There is only one Spirit, One Lord Eph 4:4-5, Now the Lord is that Spirit 2Cor3:17
The Holy Ghost is God the Father, when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost at his baptism what did he call the Holy Ghost that was in him later on?
Jesus said the Father that dwelleth in me he doeth the works.
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According to the Bible Jesus (PBUH) is "Perfect" in Hebrew "Meshullam". "Meshullam" is same as Arabic "Muslim" according to Ellicott's Commentary.
The word "Muslim" is in the Hebrew Bible Isaiah 42:19. Following are English translation of the word "Muslim" in different English translations of the Bible.
⦁ King James -------------------------"he who is perfect"
⦁ Ellicott's Commentary -------------"surrendered one"
⦁ World English Bible ----------------"he who is at peace"
⦁ American Standard Version--------" he that is at peace with me"
⦁ New International Version----------"one in covenant with me(G-d)"
⦁ New Living Translation----------------"my chosen people"
⦁ English Standard Version -------------"my dedicated one"
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According to the Bible Jesus (PBUH) is "Perfect" in Hebrew "Meshullam". "Meshullam" is same as Arabic "Muslim" according to Ellicott's Commentary.
The word "Muslim" is in the Hebrew Bible Isaiah 42:19. Following are English translation of the word "Muslim" in different English translations of the Bible.
⦁ King James -------------------------"he who is perfect"
⦁ Ellicott's Commentary -------------"surrendered one"
⦁ World English Bible ----------------"he who is at peace"
⦁ American Standard Version--------" he that is at peace with me"
⦁ New International Version----------"one in covenant with me(G-d)"
⦁ New Living Translation----------------"my chosen people"
⦁ English Standard Version -------------"my dedicated one"
check the word. blasphemy is either calling good evil or calling evil good. get to know your creator. read the word.
Quran. And remember when the angels said, "O Mary, God sends you the good news of a Command of His: his name shall be Messiah, Jesus son of Mary. He will be highly honored in this world and in the Next World and he will be among those favored by God. He will speak to the people alike when in the cradle and when grown up, and he will be among the righteous." Hearing this, Mary said, "How, O Lord, shall I have a son, when no man has ever touched me?" "Thus shall it be,"
@Anastasia Monroe And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him (saying): ‘none has the right to be worshipped but I, so worship Me.’" (Quran 21:25)
@Anastasia Monroe And your God is One God: there is no god but He..." (Quran 2:163)
@Anastasia Monroe Moses declared: "Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4).
This was repeated 1500 years later by Jesus, when he said: "The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.’" (Mark 12:29).
So your point about Muhammad being later is not relevant. Abraham was 5000yrs before. Still came to preach the onese of God and not to worship idol's or man.
@Anastasia Monroe And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous (Surah Al-Baqara, 130)
Brother Kel, there is a video by Islam Critiqued, made sometime last year, responding to one of your videos. The "Islam Critiqued" dude apparently thought he was "debunking" or "tearing apart" your arguments (he was just regurgitating Trinitarian "proof" nonsense). He did it with much sarcasm and arrogance. Would you be willing to turn around and respond to his video? He needs some serious humbling, and the truth we hold as Unitarians has the power to do that. I don't know, just a thought. :) God bless you.
jesus is adam. plain as day. before abraham, he was. he IS the root and the offspring of david. adam is the son of god. jesus is the son of god. jesus is the second adam. that makes adam the first christ. an all-righteous god would only have the one who brought sin into the world to pay for it, atone for it, and reconcile all.
"jesus is the second adam. that makes adam the first christ"
No it doesn't.
i can buy that but that doesnt settle the issue. i really would like to hear more of what you think. i am serious. there is either a ton of reincarnation in the bible or something else is going on that is not yet clear to me. thank you for the reply. you do a great job.
nope. ezekiel 28. adam was anointed(christ) and so was eve. adam was given dominion. adam is the only begotten son of god. everyone else is a son of man (and of woman). i was expecting way more, brother kel.
@@trapperkcmo3460 Then come up with a good argument.
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Scripture shows that our Lord Yeshua DID have a prehuman existence. John 1:1; 3:13; 17:5.
the word is God's spoken word, not a pre-incarnate christ.
he is the Son of God, he came from God, who'm is in heaven. God GAVE us his only BEGOTTEN Son. also, Jesus was IN heaven when he said that?
God always knew. Jesus always had glory according to God, the one he was talking to when he said that.
@@TheKingdomOfGodIsAtHand Amen.
@@TheKingdomOfGodIsAtHand So you believe Messiah Yeshua is almighty? John 1:10 all heaven and earth came in to existence through him, which means he had a pre-human existence. Col 1:15-17
@@IAM-kg5pq the word was God. You're superimposing a pre incarnate Christ into the word word.
Psalm 33:6 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
@@TheKingdomOfGodIsAtHand Not sure what you're talking about. Scripture is clear that nothing came into existence apart from Christ - he created everything, except father and himself of course. If he made all things in the heavens and earth (at father's will) then he must have had a pre-human existence.
You have not dealt with ἐγὼ εἰμί (Ego Eimi) truthfully. You know as well as I do that it means " to exist". In response to the Pharisees misconception that Jesus had said Abraham had seen him (Jesus), he replies 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.'
You are correct that he was not claiming to be God. But he was declaring that even before Abraham existed, he (Jesus) existed.
In your Unitarian Delusion you do the same thing that you accuse Trinitarians of doing; eisegesis of scripture to support your position!
God's works were finished from the foundation of the world. Jesus was the Lamb who had been slain from the foundation of the world. Go and learn what this means.
@@TheTrinityDelusion On the one hand you take scripture literally, but if a scripture doesn't fit your doctrine then it is explained as being conceptual, or more usually, you ignore the point being made and respond with a question. In this instance I explained Jesus' use of Ego Eimi
is saying he existed before Abraham.
But your Unitarian spin on this passage expects Trinitarians to believe that Jesus is referring to the idea and plan that God had in His mind in the beginning.
@@ChristisSaviour Then you weren't listening. That tends to happen when you are preoccupied with telling yourself what you want to hear.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Ho hum, another of your stock responses "you weren't listening".
Your delusion prevents you from seeing
Scripture clearly teaches that the Son of God existed prior to all creation (John 1:1-5), that Jesus is truly God (Titus 2:13), and that the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father (Matthew 28:19).
@@ChristisSaviour Yes we know you see what you want to see.
WWJD. What would Jesus do?
He would not ask: "What would King David do?"
He would not ask: "What would Abraham do?"
He definitely wouldn't ask: "What would Job do?"
Nor would he ask, and I am saying this a little tongue in cheek, "What would I, Jesus, do?"
He didn't seek David's will, Abraham's will, Job's will, OR even His own self-will.
Jesus only and always sought the will of the Father.
WWJD? Worship God, the Father, as his God - only and true. (Jn 20:17; 17:3).
Amen.
And there are two OTHER contextually relative points to this;
One: Jesus often referred to the Old Testament prohecies, of
which HE was a Large part of. When he was saying, "I AM," he
was simply attesting to those very prophecies. Jesus was
therefore SAYing---He is the One---The One who was Prophe-
cied over..."I Am HE..."
Secondly: It's quite clear, even by his very Name, that Jesus
is not...CAN NOT, be the, "One TRUE GOD." The very Name,
Christ---or, Messiah does NOT mean...GOD, it means, "the A-
nointed One."
And Col.2:9, you know, one of trinitarian's favorite verses; It
is all TOO easy to JUMP to MISconception and assume the
Verse is Flat-out PROCLAIMING Jesus as GOD, despite the
Fact, we see the Words, "GOD the FATHER" all OVER the
New Testament!
No. Jesus, as Acts10:38-40 CLEARLY teaches, had to be
"GIVEN" the...The WHAT? Yeh---The Holy Spirit! If he was
Almighty GOD, in and OF himSELF, why would he need to
be Given anything---Much less that which he shoould al-
ready possess---PERPETUALLY?
He, Christ, was ANOINTED...( With what?), the Holy Spirit.
PLUS: Scripture plainly States: He was, "Obedient unto
Death...Even the death of the cross."
Well, the FATHER doesn't have to ANSWER to ANYone.
Exo 3:14 in Hebrew reads , not . The pronoun 'I' is implicit in Hebrew word. LXX translates it as . In Greek the pronoun 'egō' is often implicit and not needed. Here is how Trinitarian magic conjured up a monster:
Amen...well sad
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