Outstanding explanation, years ago in the circle track world there was a rule that said right side window clearance must be 13 1/2 minimum. Me thinking this is for escape purposes checked that i could fit out of my window. UMP official at a race told me i needed the other 1/2 inch. I asked him why? This is when he got huffy and threatened to send me packing. Thankfully a few minutes later he came over to my trailer and told me i have 1 week. Then he asked if i had tried climbing out. I said all the time that's how i get out of the car inside the trailer. Then he said with or without your helmet.. low and behold helmet didn't quite fit. I thanked him and gave him praise..
Fantastic explanation. I can't add anything to anything that's hasn't been said already. Great video information, please keep it coming forward thank you Tim.
This is my new favorite channel, Very impressive shop. As a fabricator mostly off road and road track, I can see you build a quality chassis. Great explanation on the rule change that would benefit our off road and track chassis. Any tip to help keep our customers safer and save a live when minutes are crucial is a win win for any race class.
Always informative Tim, thank you for taking time to explain these things so clearly, I too was scratching my head when you referred to "must not be attached", I remember the old days in situations like this NHRA provided an illustration of what the wanted, thank you again.
We r in process of updating our 2018 built chassis now, and we too were scratching our heads like wtf??!! As always Tim n his DIY vids makes sense vs NHRA tech wording. Thanks Tim Mcamis race cars!!!!
The explanation makes perfect sense. I can definitely see this being useful for classes that don’t require this. I’d rather not die if I’m in a bad spot.
Keep up the great videos Tim. I learn so much from every new video. The best part is, you don't have to do this, but you do. The welding videos have taught me so much. Thanks for keeping us all safe on the track by making quality shit and caring about all of our safety. We really appreciate everything you do. Thanks again!! Have a great weekend!
Excellent explanation love your thought process. Even though I’m a stock car guy I came across your channel a while bank and enjoy your honesty and willingness to help everyone. I wish we had more people like you in our part of the sport. I really like the thought of leaving room for the Hurst tool, like you stated every second counts!
That is definitely a good idea. I agree that you’re “cocoon” of carbon paneling that basically becomes modular when the bars are cut is a huge step in the right direction for any caged car.
I’ve watched almost every video you’ve put out within the last month I just realize you’re in hawk point and I’m in Moscow mills. I’m not building a promod just a street car ls big turbo th400/8.8 diff still good to know ypur right there
i have a few things. are the cut away in the corners of the panels big enough to really get a jaws of life in to where it can cut thru the tubing in one pass without resetting. the lower front and lower rear look like it might be a tight fit.. especially with any upward deflection of the rocker bar .. idea 2.. instead of carbon fiber panels.. aluminum panels that have beads rolled toward the outside. so the drivers side is smooth. the beads are rolled with the final angle of the attaching point bars starting in the middle and working their way out like a fan.. so if the cage is BENT.. the panels can expand without ripping loose of their 2 sided attachment points the panel is going to shrink as the beads are rolled so its going to start much larger. each bead will have to be drawn on after the previous bead is rolled, starting in the middle and working both ways. this allows the drivers legs to be protected from outside debris and from bumping the cage. (edit: visualize Sunburst pattern) this may take some creative rolling. or some creative bending. it also gets rid of the possible broken carbon fiber .. (thinking of possible broken carbon fiber next to the driver makes me wince) wraps of yellow and green tape/paint for jaws of life cut locations might be an idea to implement also. or just green areas where the builder has designed in room enough to cut thru at.. off thread. i have wanted hydroformed tubing for the front and rear bars to the drivers cage.. stretch out a bendy straw. stick a smaller straw thru it as a guide to keep the corrogated section collapsing straight . this inner is only welded in at one end.. this reduces the G forces on the drivers in a front or rear end impact.. reducing the straight arm football tackle effect.
You are the man! I started busting out laughing when you said no one can figure out how to use a clutch anymore LOL. That is so damn true! In my opinion, there is no such thing as an automatic race car!
So they are talking rigid attachments right? What about the use of Nylon attachment points, For going forward? If there is a need. The nylon is strong and flexible, and light. They can either cut or bend the panels out of the way. The advantage being its a inexpensive material that can be quickly removed in the case of an accident.
When you do something new like this on the first car built to the rule changes does an NHRA tech inspector come to the shop and tel you yes/no this will pass tech or do you guys just send the car to the first race and hope it passes inspection?
Tim, do you have any FEA to show where the high stress areas are in a given chassis, preferably a high torque( horsepower) example? I'm certain there are a few of us out here with that level of curiosity. Thanks in advanavce.
I've lately been comparing NHRA vs. FIA cages. Why is the construction, especially for side impact, so different? Also, are modern cage designs done with computer stress modeling (FEA)? Thanks for your channel.
Maybe that section should be bolted or locked in with pins. Why not hinged and latched, something like a ...... door? It's getting difficult for the big boys to get in and out.
Carhartt hecho en Mexico. I guess I haven't worn these in a while. Just watched you china video( and I completely agree!) but I think it goes further than just china.
1:30...We called those...knee nets back in the day. Haven't heard them mentioned in years. Everyone who knows what I'm talking about will be showing their age!
First pro mod I’ve ever seen that was built safe and doesn’t have the transmission exposed and sitting on the floor like the street outlaws aholes run but he’s an old racer so he knows what happens when transmissions blow up
All of this BUT the door falls off and can come in to the car or into the crowd. And Pro Stock know how to use a clutch,, the whole idea of the category.
Can't have cars with clutches anymore . It discriminates against one legged drivers . Or any mentally challenged racers unable to use both feet and both hands ( not to mention chew gum ) all at the same time .
'Nobody can figure out how to run a clutch anymore' 😂 One of the best theft deterrents too is to have a manual car!
before or after they leave it in gear on the start, and drive through your garage/trailer wall?
@@TheTsunamijuan Never park a manual in gear.
@@magnus5356 Just cause you and I know that, doesn't mean others do... which seems to be why that happens... (and no neutral safety switch)
Thank God for Prostock & competition eliminator. 👍👍👍👍 but Promodified needs to be manually shifted with 3 or 4 speed lencos
@@magnus5356 Buy a Saab and it's mandatory you park it in gear to take the key out. lol
You have to press the clutch to be able to turn it on though
Outstanding explanation, years ago in the circle track world there was a rule that said right side window clearance must be 13 1/2 minimum. Me thinking this is for escape purposes checked that i could fit out of my window. UMP official at a race told me i needed the other 1/2 inch. I asked him why? This is when he got huffy and threatened to send me packing. Thankfully a few minutes later he came over to my trailer and told me i have 1 week. Then he asked if i had tried climbing out. I said all the time that's how i get out of the car inside the trailer. Then he said with or without your helmet.. low and behold helmet didn't quite fit. I thanked him and gave him praise..
Fantastic explanation. I can't add anything to anything that's hasn't been said already. Great video information, please keep it coming forward thank you Tim.
Thats a great explanation. I really appreciate the more technical aspect of the hows any whys.
No one can run a clutch anymore hahaha . Love this guy
setting the airgap in between each pass sucks balls though
Thanks the description makes perfect sense and logic. After the cuts are made the area is cleared as a module.
I freakin love Tim's way of putting things lol 🤣
Tim: "Now we just have a brake cause no one can figure out how to fricking run a clutch anymore"
This is my new favorite channel, Very impressive shop. As a fabricator mostly off road and road track, I can see you build a quality chassis. Great explanation on the rule change that would benefit our off road and track chassis. Any tip to help keep our customers safer and save a live when minutes are crucial is a win win for any race class.
Always informative Tim, thank you for taking time to explain these things so clearly, I too was scratching my head when you referred to "must not be attached", I remember the old days in situations like this NHRA provided an illustration of what the wanted, thank you again.
We r in process of updating our 2018 built chassis now, and we too were scratching our heads like wtf??!! As always Tim n his DIY vids makes sense vs NHRA tech wording. Thanks Tim Mcamis race cars!!!!
The explanation makes perfect sense. I can definitely see this being useful for classes that don’t require this. I’d rather not die if I’m in a bad spot.
Im building a car now this helped me figure this mess out,thank you sir👍
Keep up the great videos Tim. I learn so much from every new video. The best part is, you don't have to do this, but you do. The welding videos have taught me so much. Thanks for keeping us all safe on the track by making quality shit and caring about all of our safety. We really appreciate everything you do. Thanks again!! Have a great weekend!
Excellent explanation love your thought process. Even though I’m a stock car guy I came across your channel a while bank and enjoy your honesty and willingness to help everyone. I wish we had more people like you in our part of the sport. I really like the thought of leaving room for the Hurst tool, like you stated every second counts!
Great video and information Tim, and I did notice that you left an access point for the jaws to grab the cage. 👍
That is definitely a good idea. I agree that you’re “cocoon” of carbon paneling that basically becomes modular when the bars are cut is a huge step in the right direction for any caged car.
I love when you curse!! It’s way more believable than other channels. Thank you. I know you didn’t in this episode but keep it up.
Nobody can figure out how to run a clutch anymore. Lol. Sadly true. They are slowly becoming anti theft devices.
Will def keep this in mind when I put a cage in my s10. Thanks for making it make sense.
If you're putting a cage in an S-10, it's gonna do things Chevy could have never imagined...good luck and be safe.
When door cars began to run 5 second ET's, it opens a can of worms. Nice job communicating the goal of the rule.
I’ve watched almost every video you’ve put out within the last month I just realize you’re in hawk point and I’m in Moscow mills. I’m not building a promod just a street car ls big turbo th400/8.8 diff still good to know ypur right there
It makes perfect sense the way you explained it. Thanks Tim.
Great idea! Great explanation!
i have a few things. are the cut away in the corners of the panels big enough to really get a jaws of life in to where it can cut thru the tubing in one pass without resetting. the lower front and lower rear look like it might be a tight fit.. especially with any upward deflection of the rocker bar .. idea 2.. instead of carbon fiber panels.. aluminum panels that have beads rolled toward the outside. so the drivers side is smooth. the beads are rolled with the final angle of the attaching point bars starting in the middle and working their way out like a fan.. so if the cage is BENT.. the panels can expand without ripping loose of their 2 sided attachment points the panel is going to shrink as the beads are rolled so its going to start much larger. each bead will have to be drawn on after the previous bead is rolled, starting in the middle and working both ways. this allows the drivers legs to be protected from outside debris and from bumping the cage. (edit: visualize Sunburst pattern) this may take some creative rolling. or some creative bending. it also gets rid of the possible broken carbon fiber .. (thinking of possible broken carbon fiber next to the driver makes me wince) wraps of yellow and green tape/paint for jaws of life cut locations might be an idea to implement also. or just green areas where the builder has designed in room enough to cut thru at..
off thread. i have wanted hydroformed tubing for the front and rear bars to the drivers cage.. stretch out a bendy straw. stick a smaller straw thru it as a guide to keep the corrogated section collapsing straight . this inner is only welded in at one end.. this reduces the G forces on the drivers in a front or rear end impact.. reducing the straight arm football tackle effect.
Great information. Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great Explanation!
You are the man! I started busting out laughing when you said no one can figure out how to use a clutch anymore LOL. That is so damn true! In my opinion, there is no such thing as an automatic race car!
Mutually beneficial solutions... easy to keep in a builder's mind. Thank you for providing us with your help by way of tips! KUDO'S!
someone from NHRA been sport car racing and saw our cars it a very very good idea hands down
I knew he wasn't going to get through it without swearing lol thanks Tim for keeping the faith
Thanks again for another great vid !
Wow!! Great info. It is even correct!!! Rarity on the interwebs!!!! Thanks Tim
Our favorite question when going through tech, just what are the rules? You would be surprised the answers from different people.
So they are talking rigid attachments right? What about the use of Nylon attachment points, For going forward? If there is a need. The nylon is strong and flexible, and light. They can either cut or bend the panels out of the way. The advantage being its a inexpensive material that can be quickly removed in the case of an accident.
Great breakdown!!! Safety first during a 200+ roll over, with a big fire and your KO'd.
given the reason, why not put some red tape or a marker on the X bar, a "cut here" line that guarantees fast removal.
When you do something new like this on the first car built to the rule changes does an NHRA tech inspector come to the shop and tel you yes/no this will pass tech or do you guys just send the car to the first race and hope it passes inspection?
Tim, do you have any FEA to show where the high stress areas are in a given chassis, preferably a high torque( horsepower) example? I'm certain there are a few of us out here with that level of curiosity.
Thanks in advanavce.
Good stuff Tim
You could leave relief areas for the jaws to cut and put two yellow marks to show the safety safari where to make there cuts.
I've lately been comparing NHRA vs. FIA cages. Why is the construction, especially for side impact, so different? Also, are modern cage designs done with computer stress modeling (FEA)? Thanks for your channel.
Tim do you sell the channel for the carbon sheet to slide into?
Thank you! Amazing video!
Nice breakdown
Purpose gives meaning to rules and life.
Maybe that section should be bolted or locked in with pins. Why not hinged and latched, something like a ...... door? It's getting difficult for the big boys to get in and out.
Tim where can we get that carbon fiber stuff?
Love ya Tim 😘 keeping it real!!!
Very well said enjoy your videos and your wealth of knowledge
This is a great idea to add safety to any race car not just for the fastest door cars.
Building a new super class car. Is aluminum acceptable for these panels?
how about marking the cutting points in orange as cars are different. having the cut points marked in bright colors. it might save time
Tim Thank You very much !
Good stuff Sir!
Thanks great info
There wasn't one mention of any bullshit in this video😂😂
Carhartt hecho en Mexico. I guess I haven't worn these in a while. Just watched you china video( and I completely agree!) but I think it goes further than just china.
whats peak rpm going to be on that centrifugal
Perfect
Surprised you don’t have to mark cut points with a different color...
Doesn't this make it harder to get out when things do go wrong?
Why not centre steer?
Good idea
✝️🇺🇸👍 thank you for the explanation
Bars should have gussets.
1:30...We called those...knee nets back in the day. Haven't heard them mentioned in years. Everyone who knows what I'm talking about will be showing their age!
Tim your a very smart guy!!!
You explained it so all us dumb asses get it!!! Lol
Thanks
First pro mod I’ve ever seen that was built safe and doesn’t have the transmission exposed and sitting on the floor like the street outlaws aholes run but he’s an old racer so he knows what happens when transmissions blow up
Loved him straight to the point. S***
👍👍👍👍👍
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457th 👍's up tim thanks for taking the time for us all
Rules, rules, stupid rules and more stupid rules.... How about making cars that go fast and see who goes fastest?
My car is more for the no prep kings but I still don't want to die I'm not ready for Jesus to judge me
All of this BUT the door falls off and can come in to the car or into the crowd.
And Pro Stock know how to use a clutch,, the whole idea of the category.
Lenco transmissions are dated now...PS is almost all automatics these days. Clutch be gone!
Can't have cars with clutches anymore . It discriminates against one legged drivers . Or any mentally challenged racers unable to use both feet and both hands ( not to mention chew gum ) all at the same time .