Which Fighting Arts Would Batman Realistically Have Done?
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- I try to decipher which fighting Arts Batman could realistically have done if he was around in the 1930s & 40s.
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Someone who was a master of multiple martial arts was William Fairbairn who invented SWAT and many modern policing methods. He did boxing, American style wrestling, savate, judo,jujutsu, and kung fu. He learnt kung fu from the emperor of China's personal bodyguards who were each a master of a different styles of kung fu.
Fairburn is someone I think Batman would seek him out.
from the sounds of it that guy basically was batman.
So batman know's taizuchaungquan(emperor's long fist/long distance boxing)? Just asking.
After learning the basics of hand to hand combat from Pennyworth and dirty boxing and wrestling., Bruce would probably learn Bartitsu, which is a real martial arts that housed various martial artist but became to expensive to teach. From this Bruce would learn of others masters and be able to search them out. Only the combat tested masters though, which will place him in contact with the "League of Assassins" .
@@lonew2657 Bartitsu= the Krav Maga of gentlemen lol
That type of kung fu that the bodyguards practiced is called "bajiquan"
I would definitely think that Batman would realistically studied Boxing under Alfred because giving that he was a Ex-British Marine/SAS Soldier, Wrestling in High School, travel to Japan to study Kyokushin Karate, Kodokan Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Aikido, and Ninjutsu. By the time he was Batman he would become invested In Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and have one of the Gracie family members privately teach him.
And Muay Thai in thailand
I don't think he would train BJJ because if you know judo kodokan you already know all the Tecniques of bjj
True but we all know Batman would still find away to train in the art at some point
@@user-cn7wy7xx5k I got a question which is better or more effective sombo or wrestling?
@@hmt-0764 i love wrestling, it’s amazing, one of the best martial arts in the world a wretler in a street fight is so dangerous. But in my opinion sambo is more effective because is like a great combination of wrestling, judo, boxing and Muay thai.
Batman CLEARLY did not learn Aikido, which is way too easy on opponents and lacks aggression. He learned Akijutsu, which involves LOTS of arm and leg breaking techniques, which we see him employ frequently in recent depictions.
Seems likely that Muy Thai should be an option as well
He already explained that he would have to stay in one country so he probably couldn’t travel to Thailand.
Aikido "looks" like one of those arts that has been greatly watered down for modern marketing and consumption. It's practitioners looking like they are moving slathered in honey. What would it look like if it was taught and refined with an aggressively resisting combat focus?
@@dinhnguyen2110 it would look like Aikijujutsu and Hapkido I guess.
@@GeorgeLucas_TaintedLegacy It would be a mix of different styles.
With a boxing/karate/wrestling/judo base, Batman in the 1940s would have essentially been the predecessor to a modern MMA fighter like Georges St-Pierre. And assuming that Batman is around 6'2" and explosively athletic, virtually no one would have been able to deal with him in the 1940s. He would have fucked you up every which way. Great video!
Even in modern times I see Batman just picking up everything practical and leaving the rest from even the most “useless” of styles. Batman in the modern age would be a GSP level or probably better fighter who also has wide array of knowledge in covert warfare and psych scare tactics while being outfitted in some of the most expensive and effective high powered non lethal weaponry on the planet.
Yes, I believe this is so.
@@gnarrcan108 He would definitely need to rely far more on technology in the modern world. I think that the Nolan films did a mostly great job of making Batman believable in the 21st century. And Nolan very intelligently had several characters outside of Bruce Wayne's inner circle figure out that Bruce Wayne is Batman; the hardware that Batman uses in the Nolan films would have to be funded by someone with enormous resources.
Batman is a detective and a fighter. He would study the criminal before fighting them. Also, he never subdues a criminal completely because he always needs to get his information first. No matter what fighting style he employs, he never puts his opponent into shock.
Have u seen The Dark Knight Returns? He crippled ALL the criminals in that movie!😆
Dang that is true. I remember him getting pissed at Jason for putting a criminal into shock.
@@dancooke8811 The Dark Knight Returns batman is not main continuity batman. Old Bruce is much more brutal than regular batman
@@dancooke8811 Prolly cause they didn't have information, he wouldn't do that to the big guy on top
If Batman wants to survive in 2022, he will need the Batman Beyond suit from Batman Arkham Knight. With that, his armor is bulletproof, stabproof, jaw protected, and his elbow and fist covered by metals can easily knock out anyone who stands in his way.
yeah him existing is just impossible
Shoot him in the mouth
Batman’s regular suit is bulletproof
@@2005WH But he has obvious flaws, like a partial helmet.
@@gannielukks1811 his entire face is covered except his mouth and eyes
While I agree batman could go farther in the past, I think you overestimate the martial Arts skill of the average thug.
Ikr, most criminals are either trying to make ends meet (like a goon or your average robber) or they are just crazy and find doing bad things fun/interesting (murderer). But not many are going to be an MMA opponent or even seriously took a class. 😂😂
I know I'm late but the lower-class martial arts are pretty much for the thugs while the higher end martial arts are for his more known enemies.
I think a modern Batman would probably rely a lot more on his gadgets to supplement his martial arts training, as well as using various tactics to tip any fight in his favour before it even begins. Like, luring the criminals into a building full of enclosed spaces that he booby-trapped beforehand. Think Kevin McCallister with access to military-grade equipment
Or using his gadgets as what amounts to special effects, to distract, disorient, and just freak out his enemies
In terms of martial arts, I don't know that much about them, but I think for the most part the martial arts he'd learn would be the same as what you suggested here. Maybe he'd also learn Brazilian ju-jitsu.
Exactly. His armor can give him a major advantage against unarmored criminals. The 127 martial arts styles from the comics is pretty ridiculous though lol.
BRAZILIAN JUJITSU IS VERY MUCH OVERATED! GOOD FOR THE RING BUT NOT THE STREET: LYING DOWN ON THE GROUND AND ROLLING AROUND WHILE GETTING KNIFED WON'T BE TOO GOOD!!!
@@damonking76 Submission techniques would be useful in stealth takedowns, since you are taking your enemies by surprise, and Batman can certainly choke people out in a few seconds or brake their bones
@@damonking76what if you end up on the ground against a stronger opponent
That would take too much time to do regularly
I was also thinking that, without today's medical care and sports medicine and equipment, Batman in the '40s (and presumably through the '50s) would only really be able to do what he does at an effective level for 15-20 years. He would be doing many things that members of modern special operations units do, and generally by the time those guys are in their forties, they have to retire. In reality, especially at that time, Batman would be a figure in Gotham for around a decade, though that's plenty of time for him to complete his mission. But one thing that would be necessary for continuing his mission, if necessary, would be to find a younger guy to take over the Batman mantle and train him up, which would be like the Zorro character -- a succession of Batmans. (Zorro was actually one of the inspirations for Batman.) The Batman Beyond series explored that, and eventually it would be great to see that explored in a live-action adaption!
I've been wanting videos like this my whole life
His training is so interesting and I love hearing different people's takes and ideas on it
I have an old dark horse comic with Bruce training by benching 1000lbs and side kicking a fucking tree in half lol
Krav Maga, Kali, Boxing, Taekwondo, Karate (Goju-ryu, Kyokushin, Uechi-ryu, styles that focus on self defense and contact. Or Wado-ryu, which was used to create taiho-jutsu), Muay Thai, Judo and Aikido/Akijujutsu/Hapkido are the main ones that come to my head.
Boxing?
And savate as well
@@handsomesquidward5160 of course. Also wrestling and different forms of it.
Jui jitsu aswell
And wrestling he can RKO people too
Something to understand with martial arts is how easy it is to cross over when they don't conflict.
For example I train Judo and one of my coaches is an Olympic level Judo coach. Sometimes we cross train at a BJJ school, and we wear white belts there, him included. He'll submit black belts in BJJ because of how much it crosses over.
Let's take Karate, boxing and Muay Thai. Someone who masters one style of Karate can easily pick up boxing and Muay Thai, or vice versa. Yes there are differences in Karate round kicks and Muay Thai round kicks. I also do Karate, I did Muay Thai from 2002 to 2005. I can easily transition my round kicks from the Muay Thai method to Karate method when I need to.
If someone mastered Karate, Judo, Aikido as an adult, and did boxing and wrestling as a kid/high school, they would easily pick up BJJ, Muay Thai, and what not
Great analysis. I had similar experiences within martial arts judo, Aikido, hapkido, Also Kung fu, Taekwondo and kickboxing the crossover is quite easy
It's my understanding that Aikido doesn't have any resistance training.
If you're Batman or a descendant of Batman then you need resistance training constantly.
You're up against resistance all the time as Batman
Boxing taekwondo karate and judo are the main styles that batman always uses, compined with bodybuilding calisthenics and gymnastics, also while traveling abroad he learned many secret fighting styles that gave him an extra edge.
You can bet wrestling would have been his strongest skill
Bodybuilding? lol
@@kullenberg I mean if we talking about arkham batman then that dude definitely does bodybuilding..... yet moves like a ballerina. Also gorodn ryan, who is arguably the best bjj practitioner in the world right now has a heavy bodybuilding workout routine. Muscle mass is defintiely helpful
I can definitely confirm he's done judo, having done judo for 7 years. I've observed him using multiple throws and pins and the arkham games
Tbh this video is a what if and it's stated that Batman knows every martial art possible
Bruhder no shit sherlock
Imo as a fighter myself I think the wonder of mastering 127 arts is not that its 127 different arts, it's simply that you have 127 different levels of experince in combat. Less about how much you know, and more about making sure you never don't know anything. It's a concept fighters use irl, learn alot of techniques so your never taken off guard. Though mastery of said techniques like you said would be bullshit, in 12 years atleast. There are like 400 styles of kungfu, people have mastered all 400, it's possible but Bruce would literally need a time machine, or you'd have to day that he didn't really stop his martial arts training untill coming back.
Now, your landscape makes an interesting setting, the 40s and 50s. We have to note that martial arts is very primitive these days, VERY. Batman is literally fighting on a wavelength 30 or 40 years ahead of his time.
If we squeeze every bit if realism out of this that we can, imo the most realistic path would been boxing and wrestling as a kid, and then he would've also competed in muay thai, karate, kickboxing, sambo, lethwei. Bruce would spend most of his time in East Asia and Brazil, as they were the fight capitols of the world at that time. Jujistu, atleast brazillian jujistu to my knowledge wasn't invented yet, so while in the east he'd learn a combination between classical jujisu, judo, ninjustu, probably a swordftighing art like kendo, a stick fighting art like escrima or kali, and I would not be surprised if Bruce simply studied other martial arts inbetween doing these, irl what most fighters do is compete in one sport and then they can study another one in the background and get good at it. Same applies here, Bruce would be just competing in muay thai, kickboxing and judo but also most likley studying a balloon other arts in his spare time, pulling only what's useful from them, and what he can use irl.
In the end, I think Bruce's fighting style would be a mix of Boxing, Muay thai, Judo, Classical jujistu, Eastern stick fighting and swordfighting, wrestling, and FRAGMENTS of other martial arts that are useful.
Now I also wanna say that batman would probably have a severe amount of combat training not focused on martial arts, such as ninjustu survival training, he would most likley go through grueling test by many masters testing him on combat skills falling outside of martial arts.
This is important because I keep having to remind people that a 200lb man is and always will be a 200lbs man, it doesn't not matter what he practices, if he hits something it break and that's tru for the NORMAL person. Imagine how that applies to Batman. keep that in mind.
Realistically if saenchai had the intelligence of the smartest man on the world, he would be batman. Look him up.
If he went to the Kodokan back then he could have had Judo and Aikido under one roof. Kano also tried to get Funakoshi to teak Karate there.
I don't think he would have bothered with Aikido, as the 'attacks' are nowhere near reality.
Boxing, Wrestling, Judo would be a very good base. Adding some JJJ and Karate (the way it was taught back then) would be good to add to the mix.
Basically, he was like Geoff Thompson but with gadgets :)
Side note; him not being Japanese would not have been a barrier to training once the people found out he was a billionaire.
I can see him having studied ( if in more modern days) Boxing,Catch wrestling, and Bruce Tegner's Jukado ( which is based on Japanese Judo/Jujitsu, Karate, and Aikido along with stick fighting and improvised weapons),and savate
Awesome believable choices and beautifully edited!
I think you nailed it.
100+ martial arts is ridiculous.
Mastering 7 -10, as you described, is about right.
Mastering might be pushing it. Mastering 1 and naturally then being able to incorporate and use techniques from many others (high level mma fighters tend to do this) in order to have a fully well rounded combat repertoire
@@bengough6772 yeah it takes like 10-15 years to actually MASTER a fighting style
Remember its just fiction. Realistically, is pretty obvious is an impossible task.
They just need to go ahead and make Batman a metahuman, his feats in the comics are way above human
@@quentinjones6877 exactly
I study martial arts. Have for over 10 years. Having done many styles, from karate to mma, traditional Japanese jujutsu, bjj, judo muay Thai and boxing. I am also a massive fan of batman. Historical timeframe aside. If batman were alive now training I think his first style would have actuality been wrestling. Its prominent in american schools and I agree with you on gymnastics for strength training. Second would have been boxing for sure. Not only is it said so in the comics, but boxing is super important for learning to realistically fight in the pocket and learn good defense. For his boxing style I would say it would be peekaboo style. Mike Tyson's style. Its super defensive and super aggressive while looking very menacing stalking down his opponents while also being super elusive with head movement to avoid punches. While I agree with you on karate based on comics, I feel like muay Thai would have been the better option and muay boran (boran for headbutts) as they are without a doubt incredible striking styles and the preferred striking style for mma, including elbows, knees, kicks and clinch work with foot sweeps (which are super energy efficient ways of taking people down). Karate has no clinch work and does not have elbows and knee strikes on the same level as muay Thai. As or Japanese jujutsu again for that time period and even based on the comics I completely agree. As it has an emphasis on self defense in regards to joint locks and has all the judo throws and submissions in traditional jujitsu in their traditional form. Batman would have also learnt weapons from traditional jujitsu as it teaches the katana, Jo staff, batton and weapon defenses. I don't believe he would have done aikido though as the only thing it offers of any value really is joint locks, bit all of which are already in traditional Japanese jujutsu as that's where aikido like judo came from. He would not have bothered and I believe having done boxing and wrestling he would have seen through the lack of realisim. So that being said, modern batman would have gone to Brazil and trained in bjj instead. And would have picked up his weapons training from traditional Krabi Krabong instead when in Thailand. As for ninjitsu I agree with you again in regards to comic book accuracy/fantasy. However for realism and modern day I would say batman instead learnt fight tactics from special opps solider/marine. Someone versed in shock and awe battlefield tactics like infiltrate at night and take by surprise using gas grenades and flash bangs. He also would have trained the Robbins and bat girl these tactics to fight like a unit in the us army. But good analysis otherwise. You have the most comic book accurate version of his fighting skills while being realistic that I have seen that match my own thoughts. But having trained in all the above styles I would say a modern day version would be the ones I mentioned. You clearly have a decent understanding if martial arts though.
But have you mastered them that's the question
Quality not quantity
@@hmt-0764 didn't need to master them all. I worked out which ones are sh**, and which ones are worth doing through trial and error. I settled on muay thai, no-gi bjj, judo and boxing. what you will find at most mma clubs today. pro fighters don't have black belts and don't know all the moves in bjj to be able to effectively fight for real. a person can train for belts or train for fights. the person who trains to fight will always come out on top. that's why those styles in particular work.
@@kenichi1132 I like that train for fights not for belts
@@kenichi1132 it really depends on how much years you want to train and learn how to fight like him. For example in 5 years you can learn like 4-7 different martial arts like : boxing, muay Thai, judo, kali, keysi(known as batman martial arts), wrestling, ninjustu and jujitsu (not bjj) batman never fights on the ground so that's useless
I would like to see something like this for Wolverine, Black Panther and Captain America.
Those are enhanced meta humans tho, still wouldn’t mind it
Captain would be interesting, considering he uses shield and fists
@@TheBreezle Okay and? Batman isn't realistic either
@@TheBreezle Batman is enhanced too. He’s always on steroids.
@@theultrablackman1654 The only time he’s on steroids is in the storylines where he uses venom. Which was clearly illustrated in the latest Batman movie
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This was an amazing and well researched video. Everything that came to mind while watching you addressed shortly after.
I'd like to point out that as early as 1904 president Theodore Roosevelt was studying forms of Jiu Jitsu and Judo that were the same as the ones that would lead to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under the Gracie's he popularized what otherwise might not have been as appreciated on art in America before World War I.
My “head canon-Batman” dawned the cape and cowl at the age of 25, left Gotham to travel the world for 12 years, at age 13, and witnessed the murder of his parents at age 8. This gives him 17 years of training both his mind and his body with the best of the best, rather than just 12
A good summary; you do well keeping in in the 1920s-30s time frame. A few thoughts; while I too think Bruce would have spent most of his training time in Asia, Japan specifically, I think a school or _ryu_ which did _Bujutsu_ in general would have been more functioonal; this would give him proficiency in striking, grappling, locks and weapon arts. As both a karateka and aikidoka, I think Bruce would've sought the more pragmatic (re: combat applicable) arts, so not the codified _Shotokan,_ but possibly _Goju,_ and *most* likely old school, BRUTAL Okinawan _Shuri Te_ (he alluded to this in the _Mask of the Phantasm_ film). Also, by this point, Morihei Ushiba Sensei's style of Aikido was moving away from field combat application, so I think _Aikijutsu_ which incorporates more strikes and throws would have been better. Given his size, strength the the high secrecy of it at that point, finding a teacher of Koga style ninjutsu would have been difficult, but he _may_ have found a teacher willing to initiate him in some Fuma, Fujiwara, or possibly Iga techniques. I als think he likely would have spent time in China and India just to learn their body conditining, meditative, body control and pain mitigation techniques.
For somebody who is trying to master as many martial arts as possible, boxing and wrestling are great picks. They are hyper focused on single forms of practice that mastering them is far faster than other more complex martial arts
This was well thought out and intelligently explained. Well done.
I agree with you on it being humanly impossible (even for Wayne) to MASTER 127 martial arts in a lifetime, let alone in 12 years. It makes much more sense that he chose a few, quintessential styles. The only point where I diverge is about the redundancy of mastering Jiu Jitsu/Judo/Aikido. I believe he would have mastered JUDO (which was created by Jigoro Kano by codifying the tltechniques found in its predecessor, Japanese Jiu Jitsu, and giving it a phylosophical aspect (incorporating the DO to the techniques). Back then, Judo encompassed not only throws and takedowns, but also ground submission techniques found in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu today.
So, I believe he would have mastered:
1. Wrestling
2. Boxing
3. Karate
4. Judo
5. Ninjutsu
On websites, it says he uses boxing, karate, taekwondo, muay thai, judo, jujitsu and ninjutsu in combat
In a modern context I would have him practice MMA blended with Krav Maga with a strong emphasis on body blows & extremity breaks. You'd be surprised how easily someone goes down with a knee to the solar plexus, a hook punch to the liver or a broken wrist on their dominant hand. MMA would be the base style because so many other styles can be incorporated into it. Krav Maga would be the fine tuning element because there are so many techniques that are potentially lethal, but can be dialed back for whatever purpose the user wants.
This was an amazing video. Your passion and knowledge seriously is something to be admired.
A good article. However, I have to disagree, A 1920's Bruce Wayne would not go to Japan. He would go to Shanghai. 1920's Shanghai was a international City with a mix of European, American, Japanese,Indian, and Japanese. He would continue learn American and british boxing, french savate, Japanese judo/jiujitsu, indian wrestling, chinese boxing ( Hsing Yi/yi chuan, praying mantis, Mizong). He would also be able to study modern police investigation techniques from the famed Shanghai metropolitan police and deal with it's infamous criminal underworld as well.
Another enjoyable video. Great work my main man.
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Realistically, Batman would very rarely confront an enemy head-on. The threat of them pulling a gun on him would just be too high.
A realistic, 1940's Batman movie would have him mostly ambush criminals and only face them head-to-head in the circumstance where he had no choice, or if he knew the enemy was unarmed, he might face them head on to prove a point.
A wise tactic. Especially for an unarmed ninja.
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Great video as always
There are a few tenets of Ninjutsu that are used by the Bat over his many years of portrayal:
Tanuki-Gakure-no-Jutsu, or the art of the raccoon, stressed the importance of vantage points in high places, taking advantage of the human being’s blind spot being outside of the 45 degree angle, allowing for effective sneak attacks, surveys and escapes. A good portrayal can be during some of the Predator segments in the Arkham games, where you can zip between vantage points to obufuscate your whereabouts to enemies to disorient and eventually take them down non-lethally.
Another one is the bat motif. In history, ninja would sometimes wear masks depicting terrifying animals or demons of myth and folklore, most commonly the Hannya mask from Noh theatre but also extending to other mythical beasts like kitsune or multi-railed foxes. For Batman, creating the image of a night creature stalking every dark corner hunting criminals is this technique.
His use of smoke bombs, grappling hooks, glider capes and a myriad of other gadgets also cinches his Ninpo expertise.
Batman would use Karate, Judo, Boxing, and some Wrestling.
Great take on what fighting styles would study. well done.
Nice vid. But I’d also include weapons training. Fencing, Aikido, Kali, Arnis, Eskrima, and definitely Krav Maga.
Great presentation. I would also add that as he gets older, he would ad more to his his arsenal. Many disciplines share similar principles of fighting and yet unique in applications. Being a crime fighter, some things are learned on the fly that would take Self mastery and trial-by-combat with a little guidance.
In the Frank Miller graphic novel Batman: Year One, Bruce Wayne is shown sidekicking a tree in half and shattering bricks with a strike. In a fight, his internal dialogue says, "I don't crack his skull. I don't crush his larynx. I don't break his ribs or punch my hand through his chest." He is also shown doing a front handspring through a window, suggesting gymnastics.
The internal dialogue you speak of in Year One comes from Gordon when he is fighting Flass.
@@kohikan5180 You're right! How did I make that mistake? 😳
Great video! Really enjoyed it! I think it would be great if you also made that Punisher video too!
"Master of 121 martial art styles" Comic writers only wrote things like this probably because it sounds more impressive and fantastical for children reading the comics. Realistically, being a master of 121 martial arts would not only be impractical, but useless as well, since a lot of those martial arts have similar techniques with slightly differences that wound be redundant between each other. He would definitely have his base as a boxer and wrestler and would study several techniques from other styles to add to his arsenal. Mastering 127 styles for the sake of it would be completely useless to his purpose of an efficient crime fighter, so I'm firm believer that he would have a philosophy similar to Bruce Lee that's "retain what's useful and discard what's useless".
Wrestling in that time period actually hD a plethora of submissions in and of itself. Definitely boxing with Alfred, and as he got older, possibly military hand to hand (Alfred was prior brittish spec forces) always ninjutsu, karate, jujitsu and some weapons training (sword, stick, staff. He did train all the Robins). He would eventually make his own style I think.
As you said in the video, Bruce would've likely gone to places to study multiple arts at a once.
Assuming he went to the mainland after studying judo/jujitsu in Japan, I think he would've learned both Thai Boxing, and it's sister art of Burmese Boxing aka Lethwei, which is fought bareknuckle and includes headbutts, which I'm pretty sure I've seen Bats dole out.
Even by the 30s Thai boxers already had a notorious reputation for defeating both kung-fu and karate "experts."
He also wants to leave as little of a footprint as possible, so going somewhere way off the grid to practice an obscure but brutally efficient martial art seems like a very "young Bruce Wayne" thing to do.
I do agree Thai boxing is probably the best style at that time and in the modern age however I think the footwork and distance managment of karate like shotokan or goju ryu is important when facing multiple attackers and not to mention kyoukushin karates body condtioning im probably being biased but I can see Mauy thai/Lethwei being more effective with its elbows and uses of the clinch and sweeps
I would say muay boran rather than MuayThai
Excellent analysis. You clearly put a lot of realistic research into this video.
Beautifully done
Batman today would learn mma , krav maga , with a little kali,wing hybrid .
This is the same man who went to college and chose only to learn that which is practical, batman had 12 years of training to become the batman, he would cut out the fluff to learn thoughs arts which were most practical and efficient, not pretty but effective, to take down the common foe, therefore his arts, IN MY OPINION, were boxing, Muay thai, Wrestling (Dagestan style), Kali, Krav Maga, Jiu jitsu, judo and Tai Chi. Didn't have time to waste and needed to learn those arts most practical, keep in mind, his intellect and physical peak performance would allow a "basic art" like boxing be lethally profficient.
Tai Chi wasn't even used for fighting, it's a form of meditation.
Man, you broke that down perfectly. I agree! Well done. Thank you. Cheers!
This is an INCREDIBLY well done video. Super detailed and, something I've not seen done before, really cool how you accounted for the time period in which Bruce would begin his training. I think this is a pretty solid break down, but I'm definitely one of those people who are quite skeptical of aikido's utility in full-blast assault situations. For the sake of discussion, I'm curious what martial art would be switched for Aikido if, say, Bruce discovered it was flawed for the purposes he required?
This is a good video, I enjoyed this one!
For a modern version of Batman (based off of my own martial arts training and “The Batman” movie w/ Robert Pattinson, I think his fighting style would be a more grounded approach. Of course with Ninjutsu being an exception.
I like to imagine that Bruce Wayne would’ve started in Boxing and Brazilian Jiu-jitsu as a kid. By the time he reaches the age of 18 (keeping his photographic memory in mind) Bruce would probably reach brown belt level in BJJ. Once he starts traveling to different countries, Brazil would be Bruce’s first destination to complete his BJJ training.
*Side note, BJJ is not 100% ground fighting. There are standing techniques including throws, joint-locks, takedowns, etc…
After that, the remaining 9 years would’ve been spent in Thailand for Muay Thai (some organizations use a ranking system), Israel for Krav Maga and Japan for Ninjutsu. Again, this is based off of the more grounded style from the new movie and some of my own martial arts background for a more modern version of Batman. Plus, with Bruce Wayne’s photographic memory and his dedication, he would've completed his basic black belt level training in each of these arts about 1 year early.
- Boxing (10 years)
- Brazilian Jiu-jitsu (10 yrs) + (3 yrs in Brazil)
- Muay Thai (3 years)
- Krav Maga (3 years)
- Ninjutsu (3 years)
BJ Penn got a BJJ blackbelt in 3 years. I'm sure Bruce could do the same.
great video! very plausible deduction. GSP also train in gymnastic, so i think it is totally reasonable for batman to train that too. very crucial
Great video dude.
Amazing content 💯💯💯
Batman instructor's were either *Professional Killers (Assassins), Master Martial Artist/Fighters, and Grandmaster's of the Martial Art's (well-rounded in multiple forms and all categories of combat including weapons).*
List of a couple styles he learned:
Boxing
Fencing
Wrestling
Judo
Jujutsu
Aikido
Okinawan Karate
Hapkido
Tae Kwon Do
Savate
Capoeira
Krav Maga
Ninjutsu
Togakure ninpo Taijutsu
Togakure Ninpo Ju-taijutsu
Goshin-Jutsu
Koppojutsu
Koshijutsu
Kyusho-jutsu
Kung-Fu
Tai Chi
Lohanquan
Wing Chun
Dragon Style Kung-Fu
Shaolin Kungfu
Wu Dang Kung-Fu
Chi-Na
Dim Mak
Wushu
Sanda
Tantui
Kali
Yaw Yan
Silat
Gatka
Kalaripayuttu
Valamai Kilari
In modern era? Batman had the money, networking, and connection's to sought out whom he wanted base on reputation alone. Either they were well-known or has a notorious reputation, Bruce Wayne wanted the best.
I did my research on Batman! He has a total of 21 CQC instructors. So, Batman mastering a 127 different *Martial Art's* alone is a definite possibility.
It's a definite possibility that one man can master over a 127 different martial arts. Research Batman methods on REM sleeping that he learn from Shihan Masasutsa, it's psychological methods that tricks the mind into making 1 hrs of sleep into a full 8hrs of rest. It also, improves your mental reception and recall. Batman use this method a lot too improve a lot of learned skills. Arcourse, it's takes lots of training to improve this method.
From a grounded approach? If Batman wanted to learn and improve his overall fighting skills? It would definitely been *NINJUTSU?* In the comics, he had 8 ninjutsu master's skilled in different method's of combat. 2 where professional killer's, next 6 were well known grandmasters. Plus, his training regiment alone was base on mastering multiple martial arts styles, weapons uses, assassination methods, pressure points striking, key master blows, psychological and strategic method's, meditation techniques for stronger reception and total focus.
Yes? It would be an impossibility too master what Batman did. Unless you're hungry and obsess with perfection. It could happen depending on the individual resolve.
It would still be impossible to master all those martial arts, this video is about his idea for Batman which takes a more grounded approach.
@@eagle162 Impossibility depends on the individual. Shaolin monks alone are well-mastered in 72 different fighting styles.
Batman more grounded approach would've been ninjutsu. In the comics, he had 8 ninjutsu master's, 2 where professional killer's, next 6 where respected grandmasters. After all, *NINJUTSU* is base on 21 different categories of warfare training. And no? Its not a style (Way of Thinking), it's base on warfare tactics and categorical skill's of survival. Between his karate training and grappling training? It would be useless to pick it up from a local dojo (in Japan) when he learned a complete system of combat from a grandmaster.
Batman wasn't seeking a black belt, he wanted total training that bypasses belt ranks and certificates. He wanted actual professionals teaching him how to fight. Plus, before becoming Batman, Bruce Wayne use his money to attain certain connections he needed to complete his goals. And the best professionals (overall terms) he can find and train him.
@@Dragonflyjones67 Shaolin Monks are not that at all and what people known as Shaolin Monks it's just a tourist trap they're just glorified stage performers, actually there was no shaolin monks at the temple since it had been abandoned
until the movie Shaolin Temple with Jet Li became popular before There was no Monks at the temple, it doesn't matter the individual it would still be impossible for a human to do that no matter the IQ or professional a person is learning from it is impossible to master all of that,hack you can look up to see if Batman would be possible on Google it ain't.
Where did you learn about ninjutsu anyway, just out of curiosity.
@@eagle162 How did I learn about Ninjutsu????:
Jininichi Kawakami
Shoto Tanemura
Masasaaki Hatsumi
Stephen Hayes
Ronald Duncan
There's nothing fake about the shaolin monk's at all. Especially when you got people prolonging the art till this day.
Speaking of styles? Is it a possibility for one person to master 20 style's out of the 1000x martial arts in the world today? A lot of fighting system's has a curriculum of styles and method's that goes along with it. Bokator itself has a catalog of 10,000 techniques including weapon's system's that goes along with the art. Is it a possibility to master all of those techniques? Cheng Style Bahuazhang has a total of 12 animal styles, including Xing Yi. Is it a possibility too master those animals styles (weapon's styles also)? Okinawan Karate teaches striking method's, pressure points, tegumi grappling, and kobudo. Is it a possibility too master these as well?
It depends on the level of dedication you put in.
Unless you have a high *Obsession* for learning? You'll never learn nothing new at all. Between the 10&20yrs Batman learned throughout his travels on and off? How much information did he obtained? Batman develop different learning method's for himself. And has *SYNESTHESIA!* and a eidetic memory to recall everything that he learn. Plus, he speaks 10 languages!!! A highly dedicated person can get thing's done.
@@Dragonflyjones67 yes they are fake Shaolin Monks are just glorified stage performers they don't learn real martial arts and they are not real martial artist look up Jet Li's interview on Shaolin Temple there were no Monks at the time he start filming, no it is not possible for anybody to master 20 martial arts practitioners of martial arts who named will even tell you that, that is only possible in fiction.
It takes a hobbyist that long to get a bjj black belt. Someone like Batman would only take a couple of years considering his previous wrestling ability as well as having amazing body coordination having done gymnastics.
Love the video and it's realistic application of Batman!!!
I'm curious as to what a similar video breakdown for the Emerald Archer would be? I can't help but think Of the European equivalent of Boxing nd wrestling would be applied, and maybe more unknown Euro-styles like British mixed fighting style, Savate, Pankration, irish stick fighting, or more.
If you want to switch out one of the Japanese styles for Korean Tae-Kwon-Do for its more prominent use of kicks I don't think It'd be a stretch to say that a few years in Seol would be out of the realm of possibility.
Enjoyed this.
Batman doesn't use those forearm blades well enough in all his versions. Speaking as a lifelong Martial Artist.
I like where you're going with this video.
Judo and Karate would definitely be something he'd learn in the 30s Japan. From boxing and wresting to judo and karate, he'd be a bad man.
I still got 5 minutes left of the video.
Bushido and ninjitsu have been a part of who he is, for as long as I can remember.
I don't see him just learning multiple styles available at a school, but targeting a school for the styles he needs I do see him doing.
Great analysis
I'm Glad that "the Batman" Showed Batman using Pencak Silat. The Fact that Robert Pattinson Wanted, Learn, and do his Own Fight Scene was just Fun.
There is a lot of striking techniques in traditional Japanese Jujitsu, so it would have made sense in the 1930s.
love the concept of your vid. Plus the concept based in a bit of reality of the fighting arts, but you missed one thing. When it comes to the Japanese arts Post Olympic Judo would have given him a base making perfecting Jiu Justsu more about blending the distance between Boxing and wrestling. Ninjutsu would merely be learning the concepts of espionage and how to use propaganda of the Batman against the underworld. I think twelve year is spent mastering one style with with supplements from others. But more important is the learning of strategies and investigation. He is still obsessed with justice so bringing criminals to bare before the criminal system is his goal. A true Batman wouldn't fight as much as we think. This where his Ninja concepts and gymnastics would allow him to get in get the evidence and overtly pass it on to the GPD, subduing only who he needs to. Rumor of beating an entire gang would be stories he'd spread him self, even planting evidence that would make it appear that he had super powers. Sticking a Bat- erang in the end of a barrel of a gun of a guard after being choke out from behind would add to it. After all a gangster would be above lying about how he got beat if there was evidence to support it.
"Try to remember some of the basics of CQC."
All in all, a very informational video. Thank you.
Excellent video just gained a sub 👍👍
Excellent video. A very common sense approach to how one might train to become an effective fighter in any situation. I really can't find any fault in this analysis except that maybe he wouldn't have mastered more than one or two styles and then learned as much as was practical from the other styles. Most fighters, even if trained several styles, will lead with one style and use the rest as back up skills to the main one. Batman would've probably begun his career leading with Karate/Boxing and backed up those skills with all the others you've mentioned here. I believe he would've continued practicing while he was fighting crime so he would likey have become a master in more styles as time went on. Perhaps by the time he was 50 he would've become a master in all 7 styles which would be necessary as he got older and slower. Fantastic video!
Yeah I think for what he wanted to do Boxing/wrestling/judo “mastered” makes the most sense, with karate and jujutsu added in to fill the gaps and add to his toolkit. And then ninjitsu for all the superhero-ish stuff, because that’s just part of the character. Boxing and wrestling because he’s American and because those are the oldest martial arts anyway, but I put judo up there too because it’s the best at getting someone off you quickly and potentially knocking them out with it’s throw arsenal, which would be essential if he’s fighting multiple opponents. Karate and JuJutsu add a lot too, but he could easily pick and choose from those arts without having to master them. Boxing and wrestling he needs to ‘master’ to really benefit from them, and Judo throws are too difficult to just learn and sprinkle in, you gotta put in years to pull them off on a truly resisting opponent. A kick and a submission can be learned fairly quickly for a high level martial artist, but not upper body throws
Wrestling and boxing sure would be the baseline but Alfred's tutelage may lead to DEFENDU considering the his life before buttler. Also, this was in a time where JUDO & Jiu-Jitsu where twin brothers and intersected deeply.
yet the main benefit of going to Nihon wouldn't be martial arts, but shinobi trainning... Considering he had a baseline of survival and defendu it would be quite feasible for him to grasp the art of survival, spycraft and gadget use.
Very well done
I feel the host of this channel should create a Batman origin story. It would be badass
Batman today, would do Juju and Wing Chun for close quarter combat both on the ground and standing up. He'd get his kicking skills from Combat style of Tae Won Do called Hwa Rang Do which is also well known for joint lock, throws and high flying kicks and power kicks. His stealth abilities from escape artistry, Ninjutsu and of course gymnastics as you mentioned
Idk about wing chun
For sure JKD, for intercepting countless attacks coming his way.
@@barryg528 See with aikido, batman can make wing chun work. After all, aikido is the laughing stock of a martial art.
@@TheLuconic tbh wing chun is the same as aikido, just as stupid.
@@pcxPOT that's where you're wrong. It's easy to pair things up, but with lack of evidence. Yes wong chun has less evidence but at least they are trying where aikido is too proud to even step into the ring. Think on that.
ted grant, richard dragon, master kirigi and that guy with judo. those were known martial arts teachers from comics
Striking arts: Boxing, Muay Thai, kyokushin karate, uechi-ryu karate, Dutch kickboxing, savate, taekwondo, wing chun
Grappling arts: Judo, JiuJitsu, Catch Wrestling, Freestyle/Greco Roman wrestling, Russian Sambo, Shuai Jiao
Hybrid arts: Combat Sambo, Kudo karate, Sanda, Lethwei, MMA, Israeli Krav Maga
Hey, great video. I started training martial arts in 1999. My primary interest at that time was Arnis Stick fighting, JKD, Silat, and Thai boxing, and BJJ. Eventually I was injured in 2003 and quite for 17 years. I came back in late 2019. I have only focused on no gi BJJ for the last 3.5 years back. I was very interested in the history and function of each discipline. Your assessment was literally the same choice I would have chosen for those times. Very well researched. There is one guy that has realistically mastered multiple martial arts. His name is Dan Inosanto. Also know as Guro Dan. He is a very humble and intelligent man that is very realistic about his skills. He is about 86 years old right now. According to Wikipedia he has mastered 6: JKD, Eskrima, BJJ, Kempo, Thai boxing, and Silat. I would say he is also competent in Judo and very knowledgeable in other arts. Plus this guy has been training martial arts for 70 years. Your assessment was very good. Great video.
I think your proposal of wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai, and BJJ was the most pragmatic.
First off great video and very well thought out. Loved it. Only real thing I'd change is take out Japanese Ju Jutsu and Aikido. Not saying it's a bad idea on your part just saying this is the one thing to make your list perfect IMO. Let me explain.
So JJJ would be super redundant if you are already a expert at Judo. Not only was Judo made to streamline OG JJ it also added more submissions. Also any and all throws in JJJ are already in Judo and being taught better. So JJJ brings nothing of extreme value to the table. Especially when you're trying to save time while mastering more martial arts. And any striking value he would get from training JJJ would be things he already mastered in Boxing and Karate. Not saying it's useless at all. Just wouldn't be very helpful compared to the added time it would take up.
Pretty much the same thing for Aikido but to a lesser extent. I think he could spend a small amount of time learning it but mastering it I feel would be redundant as well.
But this is just me nitpicking here. You did a great job.
I think Batman realistically would probably learn catch wrestling as it’s the original form of wrestling which was then made more safe to go to college wrestling and he probably would’ve heard of how judo players were constantly losing against the catch wrestlers from England so he probably would’ve went to England to further learn catch wrestling after finding out what they could do to the judo players
This is a great video and I can agree with a great number of the statements made here. Really my only differing thoughts revolve mostly around the number of styles Batman would more realistically master. I think he would've pretty much have mastered Wrestling and Boxing, these being the two styles he utilizes the most when applicable. For example, I tend to fall back on my grappling experience from Judo instinctively more than I do my striking from Taekwondo.
I also tend to instinctively add in a small amount of Combat Hapkido but I disregard Wing Chun and Yang Taijiquan moves entirely. In a similar vein, Batman would likely utilize his Wrestling and Boxing more instinctively than his others, apart from the Ninjutsu since he uses those skills so often. (Although I don't see the martial arts side of Ninjutsu as traditional Ninjutsu per say considering Shinobi trained and utilized skills that were used for spy work more than anything, but that's another argument altogether.)
As for his skills with Karate, Japanese Jujutsu, Judo, and Aikido goes, I think he would be proficient in various aspects of these arts but not having necessarily mastered them all in full. I could see him mastering the basics of each of these styles, but with varying degrees of skill in others. For example, I could see him using a lot of Karate style kicks but likely not using much in the way of the punches, but also being skilled in a couple of takedowns (depending on the specific style/method) and also some elbow and/or knee strikes and open handed strikes.
As for Aikido, I could see him emphasizing the joint locking techniques. (wrist locks and such.) I also think he would do well with mid-level Judo moves under his belt, likely being a brown belt or first degree black belt at best, which is still nothing to sneeze at. Of the Japanese martial arts listed, I think he would likely be the most focused on and use Japanese Jujutsu the most. Overall, I could see him being an excellent Ninjutsu practitioner in regards to stealth,
An expert Wrestler and Boxer (his most utilized methods in a pinch), First degree in Aikido and Karate, brown or first degree black belt in Judo, and third or maybe fourth degree in Japanese Jujutsu. If I were to add in some arts that would benefit him in the modern day in addition to what has been covered in this video,
I think Batman would also benefit from extensive Muay Thai and Kali/Escrima/Arnis training. He would then be able to use a wider variety of kicks (from both Karate and Muay Thai) and also gain the extra elbow, knee, and distinct shin kicks from Muay Thai mixed in with his kicks found in Karate. As for Kali/Escrima/Arnis he would gain an advantage by knowing how to disarm commonly used street weapons like knives and sticks while also benefiting from the empty-handed methods as well.
Glad I wasn't the only person thinking Muy Thai would be an addition most likely added to his repertoire.
Ok so back then, I think it’s some form of Okinawan karate, A police system of Japanese jujitsu, judo, of course ninjitsu, Brazilian jujitsu
boxing, Sambo, wresting, Muay Thai, kung fu, Kali, he would also have developed his own system over that time.
He would’ve also met someone who practices a extremely effective combat system that no one has ever heard of by some superkiller Weapons master. Also he would have learned A Japanese sword system, and a European sword fighting system as well.
I enjoy your video however
In real life Samurai where known to go on a journey for instruction from teachers from other Ryu-ha the practice was known as Musha Shugyo.
Kano had studied multiple styles of Jujutsu mainly Kito Ryu and Tenjin Shinyo Ryu.
Also Catch Wrestling was a very rough style of grappling. It included all maner of Takedowns and Submissions.
Also I Forgot to mention that there are apparently Ko-Ryu that teach shinobi Related/Esque aspects for example: Araki Ryu has devious arresting and weapon's tactics.
Katori Shinto Ryu teaches how to counter shinobi tactics as well as going over strategy and tactics.
Tatsumi Ryu has scouting and teaches strategy and tactics.
Yagyu Shinkage Ryu (allegedly) has connections to Shinobi Skill's.
Sekiguchi Ryu and Mubyoshi Ryu has teachings for revenge.
True but true. Mostly commised to one school because one school part of empire
Great video - after hearing about his limited time and need to train himself in different aspects of fighting (martial arts), Eskrima comes to mind. It is taught in the Philippines (one location keeps it simple), and involves various weapons (sticks and knives) as well as unarmed combat that utilizes hand strikes, joint locks, and some grappling applications.
Batman would have to assume that his enemies would attack him with a variety of objects, and Eskrima's focus on weapons would teach him how to deal with these threats from a very basic, fundamental approach. Additionally, this would require him to constantly be assessing his opponents' and what they were bringing to the fight, whereas boxing and wrestling are limited in this aspect.
Here' s what I think Batman use:
1. Boxing (Base footwork, weaving and punching, as well as guarding with those forearm spikes)
2. Taekwondo (The complete traditional kind)
3. Kali (The only weapon-based martial arts you need. Also has a different kind of footwork than boxing and taekwondo)
4. Sambo (Standing grappling)
5. Muay Thai (Knees and elbows, and clinches, as well as lower body defense)
6. Brazillian Jiu Jitsu (Ground grappling, and sweeps)
7. Traditional Karate (Footwork, a different but still effective approach to striking)
8. Bujinkan (Ninjutsu and Bushido, basically the art of Ninjas and Samurais)
9. Capoeira (It was invented to fight while running, so I think it's perfect for chasing criminals, but I can't imagine Batman doing the stance)
10. Jeet Kun Do (Lateral footwork)
Mix these all together and that's what I think Batman fight system would look like.
I think a modern Bruce Wayne let’s say he’s 30 in 2022 and his parents died at 9 so 2001 would be very similar to what’s stated in this with his main emphasis being on gymnastics, (Olympic)weightlifting, boxing and wrestling. Bruce is also a very advanced student so he’d likely finish high school very early at around 15 or 16 at the very latest and by 2008 a 16 year old Bruce would be able to hire private trainers for things like Muay Thai, Karate, Judo, BJJ etc. along with as well as private schooling and tutors in chemistry forensics coding engineering criminology languages etc especially with the internet audiobooks and TH-cam along with a photographic memory and a butler allowing him nothing but free time he could teach himself how to throw knives make smoke Bombs sleight of hand disguise etc at a very young age. an 18 year old Bruce at that point would easily be able to be a traveling student for around 6 years learning and/or sharpening various skills and martial arts and would be likely already have multiple unofficial doctorates or PhDs by 24 he would already be very adept in most things he would need to be Batman. Atp I believe this is when Bruce would spend 6 years mastering that ninjitsu ie his mental and spiritual strength and stealth skills etc (possibly league of assassins or something like that) by that time a 30 year old Batman would be very high level in pretty much all the main MMA martial arts a high level gymnast and weightlifter as he’s been training now for 20 years. Gotham isn’t a well known city and there’s plenty billionaires in 2022 along with the likelihood that Bruce likely lied to manipulated and disguised himself with the majority of his teachers they wouldn’t know who he his that along with his playboy persona with how easily people are deceived and convinced these days he likely wouldn’t be figured out by the majority of Gotham besides people who were really paying attention (Tim Drake)
That was a rant lol
i think submissions were still legal in the 1920s wrestling
A big problem when 'mastering' so many different martial arts goes beyond the sheer amount of information/skills to learn (even though that alone would make it impossible). Different martial arts have different ways of doing things, and a lot of them contradict eachother. Most boxers would teach you to pivot the lead foot when doing a lead hook. Most kickboxers would tell you not to do that.
Batman says it in Mask of the Phantasm that his fighting style is Jujitsu.
A very well thought out video…as a martial artist for 38 of my 50 years-your picks are pretty much exactly what I would have picked the Dark Knight to have studied given the time resources and availability-plus the fact that he was studying criminology, forensics, chemistry, and eventually running the Wayne corporation. Let’s just say for years he was getting by on 2-3 hours of sleep daily for over a decade -lol!
In Canon that is roughly what he got in terms of sleep.
And that would drastically shape your mental faculties. It’s why the military only legally allows sleep depravation for periods of week at a time. Going without sleep for too long, straight, can cause some serious mental issues. Probably why Batman is the way he is…
He probably went to just one teacher. O-Sensei one of the premiere master of multiple Martial arts
There is a martial art called the keysi fighting method, it was actually used for the dark knight choreography
This is an epic video and realistic take on his skills. Japan was essentially a mecca of effective martial arts in the early 20th century.
Karate was in Okinawa and not in mainland Japan during the time Bruce Wayne was in Japan. Just saying...
Karate is a broad term like ninjutsu. It's not all made in the same place
My Batman of the 1940's would be trained in America in Baritsu & Boxing from Alfred plus doing and playing NFL, Basketball, Weights Training, Wrestling & Gymnastics. In Japan trained in Ju Jitsu, Ninjutsu, Judo & Karate.
This video is too good
I totally agree, but i think he would first go to the army so he’s has basic understanding of strategies and understanding how weapons work and how we can disable them.
He's wearing a utility belt, cape, and helmet with a mask. Why would he role on the ground, when dealing with criminals, who gather guns and knifes. Karate, Judo, Kubudo, Boxing, Wrestling, Gymnastics, Savate, 5 Ancestor Fist Kung Fu, Ninjutsu, and Fencing/Kenjitsu.
I always theorized Taekwondo if he were to use only ONE. It's mainly for defense, and uses fast, unpredictable attacks to throw opponents off and daze or confuse them. The goal isn't to kill too, so it wouldn't be far off from his moral compass to use.
No, he wouldn't. Batman is not one style kind of person.
You do know Taekwondo is a pure sports martial art right? Sure some of the moves are really good, but as a whole its impractical.
@@TUkrLad there's sports taekowndo and there's traditional taekowndo. Traditional has more than just fancy kicks
If he only picked one, he would have to use Karate. It has sufficient strikes, kicks, weapons, and conditioning. But that’s just me
@@worldsstrongest7753 I would agree maybe because it ustilises throws and grappling alongside a focus on distance managment and timing which is good amounst multple attackers soming like kudo karate or old school koykushin would fot very well
Well frickin spoken
Im not sure if this existed at the time but he definitely would've trained krav maga. He not only would be able to disarm opponents but also have knowledge on how armed weapons are used in order to immobilize his opponents better.