This confirms my suspicions....I just picked up a used leaf blower and put a bit of gas in it, but didn't have any oil on hand. I let it run for two seconds just to make sure it works, and turned it off. I was paranoid that the lack of oil would wreak havoc on the machinery. I'm not used to 2-strokes. Thank you for your demonstration!
I bought an 02 Suzuki rm250 a couple years ago. The guy sold it to me with straight gas, it wasn’t mixed. Unaware I took it out for a rip and first ride I welded the piston to the cylinder. Had to use an air chisel to get it out. Now I always drain the gas when I get new bikes haha
No doubt man... Thing is, some people will get pissy if you say 'no', especially if they're good neighbors and you've known them quite a while. Even otherwise reasonable people. Imagine asking your neighbor if you can borrow his wife :)
My neighbor asked to borrow my blower, told him its empty, he said he has fuel. What do you think, I am so pissed. He told me that he thought it was that newer type that takes straight gas.
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
Wow! I rebuilt a YZ250 and the cylinder and piston were like this. I knew it was run by previous owner without filter and thought a stone/nut had done this damage. Evidently not this is the exact damage she had. New piston and she's cracking but the cylinder is scored on one side like this. Great video!
If you're oblivious enough to run your 2-stroke engine on gas only, with no oil, you might be able to still use it. As long as it isn't seized (engine will turn over) then you can use a lot more oil in the gas. If you normally use 50:1 gas/oil mixture, try 20 or 25:1. It will be smoky, but may allow you to keep using your equipment. The extra oil will help to seal the leaky piston rings. Expect fouled spark plugs more often though. Or better yet, put oil in the gas like you're supposed to :)
@@adzlee8897 If "spluttery" at full throttle and no-load is what you're talking about, 2-stroke power equipment such as saws and trimmers are supposed to do that. With no load on the engine (just running the chainsaw or trimmer at full throttle in the air, not sawing wood or trimming weeds) the engine will run very fast and the fuel-air mixture will go rich, causing the engine to "4-stroke", which means it won't fire evenly on every rotation. Perfectly normal--putting a working load on it slows the engine down, and it runs the way it should, firing evenly on every rotation. Pull the saw out of the wood at full throttle, it speeds up and starts 'burbling' again, with excess fuel (rich mixture) protecting the engine from over-revving and destroying itself. Clean or replace spark plug, and use the recommended fuel-oil mixture (50:1) and just use the tool normally. Fiddle around with carburetor to suit personal taste :)
@@adzlee8897 Since you used a bit of oil, then it's possible that the cylinder and piston are salvageable. Replacing the piston rings with new ones and running it in carefully with lots of oil for your first few tanks might very well get it going nearly as good as new. If you don't want to dismantle the engine to replace the rings, try running it with more oil, such as a 25:1 or 30:1 mixture instead of the customary 50:1. The extra oil will reduce leakage between the ring and cylinder wall.
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
Thanks so much for the video. I watched this video cause my rotary engine takes 2 stroke oil with fill up. Gave me a better understanding of how things work.
My neighbor came over with his brand new chainsaw, asking if I would help him understand why it stopped running. I went after the usual suspects, but when I took out the spark plug, it looked a bit rusted (it should look slightly wet from residual oil). I asked him if he was mixing oil with the gas and he said no. Apparently, he did put plenty of oil in the oiler, but wasn't aware that you also have to add oil to the gas. I also showed him in the instruction manual where it said that failing to put oil in the gas would void the warranty. I checked the compression and it was around 18 psi. Unfortunately, I had to give him the bad news that this was pretty much the end of his brand new chain saw. The good news is that he bought a cheap one. The other bad news is that he also bought the extended warranty... which also does not cover failing to mix oil in with the gas.
The chrome-plated cylinder wall is extremely hard. Done that way for minimum friction and longevity when running with very little oil in the gas (50:1 typically). It will survive for a short time with no oil, largely because the engine already had been run on gas that had oil in it, so there was some oil on the cylinder wall already.
It might work but I think we are taking a risk! My experience goes back to around 1969 with a 'Cyclemaster', a cyclemotor being one of a type that enjoyed a few years popularity in the immediate post-WW2 years. In those days, we might sometimes encounter a 2-stroke machine, a kind of hand-operated dispenser that was supposed to provide the correct fuel/oil ratio. Inconvenient as it was, I generally took a gallon can to the petrol(gas) station with the required amount of oil previously added. But, out of laziness I guess, this once I entrusted my motor to the aforemention dispenser. All seemed OK but a mile or two down the road the engine was obviously getting tight and I stopped before it seized. Having wheeled the bike home and added oil, all was well from then on but never trusted the right mix to 'professionals' believing that it was lack of oil on there part that caused the near-seizure!
I bought a used weed eater and rebuilt the whole motor and up graded everything in the motor to where I don’t have to worry about it. I used 100% gas not mixed with anything. And it’s still working like new. And it’s been over a year since I rebuilt it. But I added a self luber to mine
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
On my 3rd refill for the day on the leaf blower I was a bonehead and grabbed the wrong can sitting right next to the mix, topped off the tank and probably diluted the mix from 1:50 to 1:500. Ran her full blast for 10 minutes before it died. Had ear protection so I didn't hear anything. wtf I thought. Saw the clear gas sloshing around the half full tank and did one of these 😨. I dumped out the gas, refilled with mixed, primed and she started blowing again like nothing happened.
I work for a lawn company, we run weed wacker and use Honda mowers etc , one time one of my co workers accidentally put 2 stroke mixed gas into the 4 stroke mower 😎 soon he was smoking out the neighborhood LoL 😆, after realizing what had happened, he dumped the fuel out, put regular gas in and fired it up, smoked some but ran fine after, no harm done, always depend on your Honda 😁
My wife ran a full tank of regular unmixed gas through the echo leaf blower yesterday. We then ran a 2nd tank of prefix through it and it’s still running fine. Maybe it helped that it’s a 10 year old machine? 😳
Want to see a video if stihl fs560 carbonator is used in different brush cutters what difference will it make in performance of less powered brush cutter .
Generally speaking, a 2 stroke engine will idle for a very long time just using straight gas providing it was run previously with the correct fuel to oil ratio. It's called oil migration. The gas burns and leaves most of the oil behind which stays in the engine up to a certain RPM then it moves out the exhaust.
What if I put 50:1 instead of 40:1? I bought Black Max synthetic blend oil which said it works for “50:1/40:1” but after about nine minutes, strong smell and no start. Is the oil mixture what caused it? It was 2.6 ounces instead of 3.2. Of course I learned that after I looked online when my trimmer was dead.
My Yamaha Blaster had a partial meltdown. (Rings seized to piston and a crater in the dome that the overheating sparkplug put there. Luckily it was just a dimple and not a complete melt through of the piston, so no slag or debris in the crankcase. Got away with not having to split and clean the bottom end and only needed a new same size piston and a simple hone. Whole replacement took under an hour. Air cooled two cycles are a breeze. That piston has since resided as an ashtray. The meltdown was my fault. I ran my already somewhat lean summer jetting in the winter and the air cooled motor and extra stress were too much. +I put it in that state melted the piston and rendered virtually no compression. It had just enough comp for me to start it wide open throttle and limp it home that way. $50 later she was good as new.
Hey man I'm hoping you can help me out , I put straight gas in my ryobi full crank 2 cycle and I need help on fixing it , can you find me a good video of how to do that and maybe a kit for new parts thanks
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
Ok so like I am able to run Diesel and gas mixture on my weed wacker could you make a video about running that because Dieselnis almost 2 stroke oil I think ?
Hi shame about the Strimmer, but you did prove a very good point, especially on a m/c most say is ‘crap’. So not too much lost. I am trying to get another crap bit of equipment, hedge cutter going for my friend but have almost stripped it right down with no luck starting, it wants to, but no pressure on the pull cord, it is an Italian alpina hedge cutter machine that I don’t rate at all, especially when I saw they will not post parts to the uk.?. Say no more. Live in the uk, so not sure if I qualify for any of the prizes you mentioned.🤔😊👍
@@CopperCreekCuts i mean that some 2 stroke engines have the auto lubrication which means that i dont have to add oil to the gasoline... i just think that is auto better than mixing up gas.. its okay if u dont understand but i mean for 2 stroke mopeds
Today I ram my 2t motorized bike without oil, I use green oil, and I forgot that I didn't mix that gas, if I used red I would saw instantly, go for a ride, 10km and it locked, started again, locked again, I still didn't realise, I pedaled it home, started it and ran for 3 minutes then it locked again, and then I realized. Took the spark plug out, put some oil, put the right oil/gas mix in the tank and runs like a charm now, didn't lose any compression, like...wow, these cheal chinese engines are very good, power is the same
I had two separate scenarios happen to me about lending equipment out to my father in law whom is new to powerd lawn equipment (relevant to a old old school farmer) and after a brief instruction (assuming he understood the concept) I Ient a trimmer I had for about 4 years ran fine He brings it back says it won't start I try it and the clutch exploded and front seal is burnt! I didn't want to offend him so I just nipped it so thinking this was a learning curve so I got one from a pawn shop and enriched the mixture so no matter how hard he guns it would run at a lower rpm and more fuel/oil means more "cooling" (something I learned in aviation mechanics school) Thinking he gotten the concept after about a year of using powerd lawn equipment I lent him a mediocre blower I had and instructed him on the use even telling him that it uses the same fuel as the trimmer about 2 weeks later He said again it would not start so I checked it out and the starting was stiff but it did not start but the tank seemed empty so I was thinking that he put the wrong fuel by accident ok fine not knowing any better I lent him my nice blower and once again I explained fuel and use as before about 2 weeks later He said it would not start I rolled my eyes and picked it up and opened the fuel tank and there it was strait gas. After all offensive purposes: he's going electric
There is one stuff i would like to know, when to change the cylinder? Mu piston and cylinder get a little like your'se i had to back home (about 30min) without any oil on the engine... My rings are broken and i get one profound risk, on the cylinder and one beteween the place where the rings ate supoosed to be.
The oil pump failed on my 2 stroke scooter last week and it completely locked up after letting It cool for 20 mins it started again and went but now it has no power at all what will need replacing?
Damn I totally missed adding oil to this leaf blower we have (never had a 2 stroke before and it was a freebie) but thankfully nothing bad happened even after running it for this amount of time. Got lucky I guess...
WOW.. A seized 2stroke engine😂... do you rebulid the seized engine after recording this video?😂.. i appreciate you to record the seized 2stroke engine..
Oh well I just drove my scooter a good 15 kilometers at 20 km/h because it would slow down when going full throttle after a couple seconds. ... It didn't have enough 2 stroke oil, poor thing, the warning light was broken as I found out at that moment. After filling it up though it ran just fine again, I hope I didn't damage it all too much. The engine is from 2003 and has passed 20.000 km on that very trip
It would’ve been nice if you explained if that trimmer can be fixed and what parts needs to be replaced to repair it. I ran a Poulan pro chainsaw on straight gas and it smoked a little bit before dying. Now I don’t know how to fix it !
There is no fixing it. If the engine block is scored like in the video, you can replace everything else and it still won't work. It won't create compression. Just buy a new one.
@@CopperCreekCuts it’s possible to fix it. It would be stupid too since it’s a waste of time and money but it’s possible. A new bore and piston and if there’s anything wrong in the crankcase replace it and it’ll be fine. The carb should still be just fine and the internal combustion chamber is the only damaged equipment
@@moddingdudes7055 thats basically what hes sayin tho. If the engine,cylinder and piston if damaged as such you cant fix it and like u said you can try and replace those parts and possibly get her back up and running.
Are modern 2-stroke engines made so, that the piston is only air pump through crankshaft chamber? You know, so that the combustible fuel is direct injected and the burning process quite lean in most using conditions. Is not these quite ecological and exhaust gases also relatively clean. And maybe greasing of engine with food grade oil, then the fumes are comparable to all kitchen fumes pumped to rural and denser populated areas:) And people talk the future is electric. But it must be MADE first. Why not these with hydrogen gas fuel inlet? :D
Man I just bought a “Sthil FS 111” Trimmer and filled it with gas (No mix) 😩 Tried to star it but it didn’t start. After watching this video I took out all the gas and haven’t touch it since. Please tell me I didn’t damage it before even using it once. 😢
In a pinch you can but it is NOT recommended because regular motor oil will usually separate out of the fuel much faster and the viscosity of motor oil can cause the fuel mixture to become too thick and can alter the tune on the engine and it can cause rapid carbon build up. I have done it before with no failures but just to ensure reliability just buy proper 2 stroke oil.
I imagine these engines are not designed to withstand operating at full throttle continuously.. almost no engine is designed to operate that way.. so I really would be curious to see what one would like if abused till destruction in normal operations instead of just full-throttle continuously.
This video was a waste. He didn't do a break-in period. Just wot trottle on a new engine is a death sentence I used pure gasoline on a 2 stroke engine and never had a problem. Never mind, this one has an oil squirter. Maybe that's why it lasted 😆
If that had of been a STIHL weed eater I would've made sure you were capitaly punished, but it was a poulan so I don't really give a shit. Good video though
@@CopperCreekCuts great vid, i have no idea what point this guy is trying to make. Most 2 strokes or all as far as i know. You mix gas and oil. If you go against manufacturers instruction your producing a dud yourself anyway. Lol. Keep it up bro!
i had a buyer who fail to listen after buying my weed eater. i even made him watch me on how to mix the oil in the gas. a week later he called and told me the weed wacker he bought from me the engine seize up. he brough it back to me and during a inspection i discover that he never add any oil to the gas casing score on the cylinder walls and piston. im not sure if there's an language barrier between us or he thinks im full of shit and he knows more than i do.
I have a scooter 50 cc2 stroke Honda X8rs Air Cooling and I was driving it like for a whole day of course I always stop for 10-20 minutes so the engine cools more At the end of the day my motorbike started behaving weirdly I thought it was over heated but it isnt going slow it was hiting 70 kmh It is louder than before,oil leaked a bit in the Head I think that it isnt getting enough oil probably a blocked oil mixing tube that mixes oil with gas
@@CopperCreekCuts Well, it can still be run thru the carb same as the petrol, but somehow coming from a separate tank. Or they could do what 2 stroke Diesels often did. The crankcase was a normal 4 stroke crankcase but the engine itself drove a blower to provide the scavenging the case tends to on 2t Otto engines. It's all hypothetical. I can't imagine it's good for profit
@@CopperCreekCuts I've seen two stroke scooters with a separate oil tank/oiling system.. But I would guess that it's just not suitable for two stroke power equipment, where I guess it would add unwanted weight and complexity (chainsaws, weed eaters and such)
I accidentally put lawnmower gas in my boat that did not have oil in it and I burnt approximately 10 gallons and my boat motor survived. Does anybody have any idea how this happened? This guy did not have any oil in it. It was only ethanol, free gas.
'You monster!'
-Steve's Small Engines
Haha! :)
@@CopperCreekCuts 1:33 oil mix ok ?
oil mix 33:1 is ok ?
Yep! I did that before ! Surprisingly, it still ran but very little power was left after that. Congrats to your success on your channel 👍
Oh no! I am glad it didn't completely die! :) Thank you!
This confirms my suspicions....I just picked up a used leaf blower and put a bit of gas in it, but didn't have any oil on hand. I let it run for two seconds just to make sure it works, and turned it off. I was paranoid that the lack of oil would wreak havoc on the machinery. I'm not used to 2-strokes. Thank you for your demonstration!
I bought an 02 Suzuki rm250 a couple years ago. The guy sold it to me with straight gas, it wasn’t mixed. Unaware I took it out for a rip and first ride I welded the piston to the cylinder. Had to use an air chisel to get it out. Now I always drain the gas when I get new bikes haha
LOL Very good lesson! Sorry it happened, though!
Definitely a prime example of why I don't loan tools if at all possible.
100% agree. I get nervous just thinking about it.
No doubt man... Thing is, some people will get pissy if you say 'no', especially if they're good neighbors and you've known them quite a while. Even otherwise reasonable people.
Imagine asking your neighbor if you can borrow his wife :)
There shouldn't be a problem if you only lend out 4 strokes
My neighbor asked to borrow my blower, told him its empty, he said he has fuel. What do you think, I am so pissed. He told me that he thought it was that newer type that takes straight gas.
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
Wow! I rebuilt a YZ250 and the cylinder and piston were like this. I knew it was run by previous owner without filter and thought a stone/nut had done this damage. Evidently not this is the exact damage she had. New piston and she's cracking but the cylinder is scored on one side like this. Great video!
Thanks for the comment! that is pretty wild that happened and a great reminder to always check for an air filter! :D
Okay Gasoline and Diesel personally I think it’s plausible since Diesel and Oil have very similar properties, it might even burn cleaner then Oil
If you're oblivious enough to run your 2-stroke engine on gas only, with no oil, you might be able to still use it.
As long as it isn't seized (engine will turn over) then you can use a lot more oil in the gas. If you normally use 50:1 gas/oil mixture, try 20 or 25:1. It will be smoky, but may allow you to keep using your equipment. The extra oil will help to seal the leaky piston rings. Expect fouled spark plugs more often though.
Or better yet, put oil in the gas like you're supposed to :)
Great tip, much appreciated!
@@adzlee8897 If "spluttery" at full throttle and no-load is what you're talking about, 2-stroke power equipment such as saws and trimmers are supposed to do that. With no load on the engine (just running the chainsaw or trimmer at full throttle in the air, not sawing wood or trimming weeds) the engine will run very fast and the fuel-air mixture will go rich, causing the engine to "4-stroke", which means it won't fire evenly on every rotation. Perfectly normal--putting a working load on it slows the engine down, and it runs the way it should, firing evenly on every rotation. Pull the saw out of the wood at full throttle, it speeds up and starts 'burbling' again, with excess fuel (rich mixture) protecting the engine from over-revving and destroying itself.
Clean or replace spark plug, and use the recommended fuel-oil mixture (50:1) and just use the tool normally. Fiddle around with carburetor to suit personal taste :)
@@adzlee8897 Since you used a bit of oil, then it's possible that the cylinder and piston are salvageable. Replacing the piston rings with new ones and running it in carefully with lots of oil for your first few tanks might very well get it going nearly as good as new.
If you don't want to dismantle the engine to replace the rings, try running it with more oil, such as a 25:1 or 30:1 mixture instead of the customary 50:1. The extra oil will reduce leakage between the ring and cylinder wall.
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
Haha! That piston looks like a toy! That’s pretty cool though.
You should do one now running 2 stroke gas/oil mix in a 4 stroke. It won’t be as interesting though.
The ECHO one? I know, it is really neat! :)
Copper Creek Cuts Lawn Care yeah. I’ve just never seen a 50cc 2 stroke piston.
Thanks so much for the video. I watched this video cause my rotary engine takes 2 stroke oil with fill up. Gave me a better understanding of how things work.
My neighbor came over with his brand new chainsaw, asking if I would help him understand why it stopped running. I went after the usual suspects, but when I took out the spark plug, it looked a bit rusted (it should look slightly wet from residual oil). I asked him if he was mixing oil with the gas and he said no. Apparently, he did put plenty of oil in the oiler, but wasn't aware that you also have to add oil to the gas. I also showed him in the instruction manual where it said that failing to put oil in the gas would void the warranty.
I checked the compression and it was around 18 psi.
Unfortunately, I had to give him the bad news that this was pretty much the end of his brand new chain saw. The good news is that he bought a cheap one. The other bad news is that he also bought the extended warranty... which also does not cover failing to mix oil in with the gas.
Oh no! :D
#destroyed wow. I can't believe it lasted 10min. I would've thought maybe 1 minute tops.
Poor thing was trying to live!
The chrome-plated cylinder wall is extremely hard. Done that way for minimum friction and longevity when running with very little oil in the gas (50:1 typically).
It will survive for a short time with no oil, largely because the engine already had been run on gas that had oil in it, so there was some oil on the cylinder wall already.
What a super cool demonstration. You're always crushin it Bud!!! Hoping all is well, Dirty Jersey out!!
Thank you sir!
50K? Wow! I hadn't kept up with the numbers. I swear I remember four digits. Good for you.
I appreciate your consistency! ;)
It might work but I think we are taking a risk! My experience goes back to around 1969 with a 'Cyclemaster', a cyclemotor being one of a type that enjoyed a few years popularity in the immediate post-WW2 years.
In those days, we might sometimes encounter a 2-stroke machine, a kind of hand-operated dispenser that was supposed to provide the correct fuel/oil ratio. Inconvenient as it was, I generally took a gallon can to the petrol(gas) station with the required amount of oil previously added. But, out of laziness I guess, this once I entrusted my motor to the aforemention dispenser. All seemed OK but a mile or two down the road the engine was obviously getting tight and I stopped before it seized. Having wheeled the bike home and added oil, all was well from then on but never trusted the right mix to 'professionals' believing that it was lack of oil on there part that caused the near-seizure!
Very nice bro 😀
Thanks 😄
You are fantastic. That was an excellent video. Perfect
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
I bought a used weed eater and rebuilt the whole motor and up graded everything in the motor to where I don’t have to worry about it. I used 100% gas not mixed with anything. And it’s still working like new. And it’s been over a year since I rebuilt it. But I added a self luber to mine
Very neat! Thanks for watching!
So it's oil injected?
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
@@agatth permanent damage. The engine needs a rebuild
@@smallenginesgarage7168 it is already fixed no rebuild done😁
I like your idea to put gas bottle next to it quick change was great thank you for video
Great lesson. I sure it will come in handy for many people. I think you really enjoyed killing it. Lol..! 👍😆
I hope it does help someone!
@@CopperCreekCuts sure it will..! 👍
Great video, thanks for making it. I would love the echo engraved piston lol.
They are too cool! :D
sometimes even tho we know the answer we still have to see it, good video mate
Great test!
I started one on Regular gas before by mistake pouring it into the carb. While repairing it. I fixed it up as planned and it ran fine.
Great video!! Love the destruction “science” video!!
I am glad to hear it, thanks for watching! :)
I appreciate the science
Informative..We have now a four stroke chainsaw, Does it have a crankcase oil n it? Thanks
It also sounds like the air/fuel ratio became too great in the absence of the premix oil.
Probably started too rich. 40:1 is negligible
great video man- i will make all my guys watch this
I hope it helps!
@@CopperCreekCuts Might have to readdress the to 1099-- W2 debate.
just sayin
Helpful information, thank you for sharing !!
My pleasure!
On my 3rd refill for the day on the leaf blower I was a bonehead and grabbed the wrong can sitting right next to the mix, topped off the tank and probably diluted the mix from 1:50 to 1:500. Ran her full blast for 10 minutes before it died. Had ear protection so I didn't hear anything. wtf I thought. Saw the clear gas sloshing around the half full tank and did one of these 😨. I dumped out the gas, refilled with mixed, primed and she started blowing again like nothing happened.
Can it be fixed
I work for a lawn company, we run weed wacker and use Honda mowers etc , one time one of my co workers accidentally put 2 stroke mixed gas into the 4 stroke mower 😎 soon he was smoking out the neighborhood LoL 😆, after realizing what had happened, he dumped the fuel out, put regular gas in and fired it up, smoked some but ran fine after, no harm done, always depend on your Honda 😁
Hey...quick question...not sure if you know this but does this also apply to a two stroke engine that i have on my bicycle?
I would assume so, but am not sure.
Yes, it applies to every two stroke motor.
Yes, I did it today, I had luck that it didn't scored the piston/cylinder, a bit, but not bad
That was brutal!
Haha, it had to be done!
I accidentally ran my moped without oil , ran for 4 hours straight , still runs but just barely
Oh no! Thanks for watching, glad it made it OK!
@@CopperCreekCuts thanks , hopefully a new listing will solve most of my problems
Can you fixed the weedeater after you have ran gas in it
My wife ran a full tank of regular unmixed gas through the echo leaf blower yesterday. We then ran a 2nd tank of prefix through it and it’s still running fine. Maybe it helped that it’s a 10 year old machine? 😳
What about if use outboard 2 stock oil? What’s the damage would be
Absolutely include that piston in the giveaway
Will do!
Want to see a video if stihl fs560 carbonator is used in different brush cutters what difference will it make in performance of less powered brush cutter .
Hi can you make a test on engine with graphite powder instead of 2t oil? I would like to see if will it work as lubricant.
My 2 stroke brush cutter seized, i didn't use 2t lubricant,
Could you please tell me what should i do to unseiz it .
Generally speaking, a 2 stroke engine will idle for a very long time just using straight gas providing it was run previously with the correct fuel to oil ratio. It's called oil migration. The gas burns and leaves most of the oil behind which stays in the engine up to a certain RPM then it moves out the exhaust.
Thanks for the tip!
I love science 😀
Same! :)
The connecting rod has damage yet after seized this engine?
This is great
What if I put 50:1 instead of 40:1? I bought Black Max synthetic blend oil which said it works for “50:1/40:1” but after about nine minutes, strong smell and no start. Is the oil mixture what caused it? It was 2.6 ounces instead of 3.2. Of course I learned that after I looked online when my trimmer was dead.
I'll take the piston and make a key chain for my lawn trailer.. RIP Poulan
I'll add it to the giveaways!
My Yamaha Blaster had a partial meltdown. (Rings seized to piston and a crater in the dome that the overheating sparkplug put there. Luckily it was just a dimple and not a complete melt through of the piston, so no slag or debris in the crankcase. Got away with not having to split and clean the bottom end and only needed a new same size piston and a simple hone. Whole replacement took under an hour. Air cooled two cycles are a breeze. That piston has since resided as an ashtray.
The meltdown was my fault. I ran my already somewhat lean summer jetting in the winter and the air cooled motor and extra stress were too much. +I put it in that state melted the piston and rendered virtually no compression. It had just enough comp for me to start it wide open throttle and limp it home that way. $50 later she was good as new.
Hey man I'm hoping you can help me out , I put straight gas in my ryobi full crank 2 cycle and I need help on fixing it , can you find me a good video of how to do that and maybe a kit for new parts thanks
Depending on the damage you may not be able to fix it.
This broke my little heart....lol
Haha, I don't think even you could save this one! :)
bro, will the grass cutter be damaged immediately if it is not fitted with 2t oil, there is a fool that borrowed our grass cutter he put gasoline without 2t and used, the next day it is difficult to pull the starter
Ok so like I am able to run Diesel and gas mixture on my weed wacker could you make a video about running that because Dieselnis almost 2 stroke oil I think ?
Hi shame about the Strimmer, but you did prove a very good point, especially on a m/c most say is ‘crap’. So not too much lost. I am trying to get another crap bit of equipment, hedge cutter going for my friend but have almost stripped it right down with no luck starting, it wants to, but no pressure on the pull cord, it is an Italian alpina hedge cutter machine that I don’t rate at all, especially when I saw they will not post parts to the uk.?. Say no more. Live in
the uk, so not sure if I qualify for any of the prizes you mentioned.🤔😊👍
Is injection worth it? Or is oil+gasoline good
I apologize, I don't understand the question. I don't have a problem with two stroke equipment, however.
@@CopperCreekCuts i mean that some 2 stroke engines have the auto lubrication which means that i dont have to add oil to the gasoline... i just think that is auto better than mixing up gas.. its okay if u dont understand but i mean for 2 stroke mopeds
Today I ram my 2t motorized bike without oil, I use green oil, and I forgot that I didn't mix that gas, if I used red I would saw instantly, go for a ride, 10km and it locked, started again, locked again, I still didn't realise, I pedaled it home, started it and ran for 3 minutes then it locked again, and then I realized. Took the spark plug out, put some oil, put the right oil/gas mix in the tank and runs like a charm now, didn't lose any compression, like...wow, these cheal chinese engines are very good, power is the same
I had two separate scenarios happen to me about lending equipment out to my father in law whom is new to powerd lawn equipment (relevant to a old old school farmer) and after a brief instruction (assuming he understood the concept) I
Ient a trimmer I had for about 4 years ran fine
He brings it back says it won't start
I try it and the clutch exploded and front seal is burnt! I didn't want to offend him so I just nipped it so thinking this was a learning curve so I got one from a pawn shop and enriched the mixture so no matter how hard he guns it would run at a lower rpm and more fuel/oil means more "cooling" (something I learned in aviation mechanics school) Thinking he gotten the concept after about a year of using powerd lawn equipment I lent him a mediocre blower I had and instructed him on the use even telling him that it uses the same fuel as the trimmer about 2 weeks later He said again it would not start so I checked it out and the starting was stiff but it did not start but the tank seemed empty so I was thinking that he put the wrong fuel by accident ok fine not knowing any better I lent him my nice blower and once again I explained fuel and use as before about 2 weeks later He said it would not start I rolled my eyes and picked it up and opened the fuel tank and there it was strait gas.
After all offensive purposes:
he's going electric
I never loan tools! :D
Will replacing the piston of this 2 stoke engine help this dead equipment back to life?
That huge scoring is from the piston heating up faster on one side because you didn't let it warm up
Guys mixed up gas cans at work ran straight gas in 2 expensive stihl chain saws is this fixable??
Depends on the where and how much damage. You can try and use a cheap borescope to check the inside out.
Try leaning out the fuel air mixture too much and see how long it takes to die. 😊
There is one stuff i would like to know, when to change the cylinder? Mu piston and cylinder get a little like your'se i had to back home (about 30min) without any oil on the engine... My rings are broken and i get one profound risk, on the cylinder and one beteween the place where the rings ate supoosed to be.
I can't believe a pullin' pro 🤣 went 9 mins period🤣🤣🤣
The oil pump failed on my 2 stroke scooter last week and it completely locked up after letting
It cool for 20 mins it started again and went but now it has no power at all what will need replacing?
Damn I totally missed adding oil to this leaf blower we have (never had a 2 stroke before and it was a freebie) but thankfully nothing bad happened even after running it for this amount of time. Got lucky I guess...
That answers that , I knew I forgot something had bar just not 2stroke oil mix, still got compression and spark just won’t start now
next: _what happens when you run a 2 cycle engine on coca cola_ 🤔🤔🤓 science....
LOL I love it!
RIP Poulan Pro Trimmer. 🙏
It was a good trimmer while it lasted!
What if you put too much oil with the gas?
WOW.. A seized 2stroke engine😂... do you rebulid the seized engine after recording this video?😂.. i appreciate you to record the seized 2stroke engine..
I tossed that puppy in the garbage!
@@CopperCreekCuts i really like 2stroke engine😂
Oh well I just drove my scooter a good 15 kilometers at 20 km/h because it would slow down when going full throttle after a couple seconds.
... It didn't have enough 2 stroke oil, poor thing, the warning light was broken as I found out at that moment. After filling it up though it ran just fine again, I hope I didn't damage it all too much. The engine is from 2003 and has passed 20.000 km on that very trip
I did that to a pocket bike by failing to add oil and the motor’s pretty much dead
Oh no, I am sorry!
It would’ve been nice if you explained if that trimmer can be fixed and what parts needs to be replaced to repair it. I ran a Poulan pro chainsaw on straight gas and it smoked a little bit before dying. Now I don’t know how to fix it !
There is no fixing it. If the engine block is scored like in the video, you can replace everything else and it still won't work. It won't create compression. Just buy a new one.
Nah stop crying and learn to not put plain gas in a 2 cycle and not be a moron
@@CopperCreekCuts it’s possible to fix it. It would be stupid too since it’s a waste of time and money but it’s possible. A new bore and piston and if there’s anything wrong in the crankcase replace it and it’ll be fine. The carb should still be just fine and the internal combustion chamber is the only damaged equipment
@@moddingdudes7055 thats basically what hes sayin tho. If the engine,cylinder and piston if damaged as such you cant fix it and like u said you can try and replace those parts and possibly get her back up and running.
Are modern 2-stroke engines made so, that the piston is only air pump through crankshaft chamber? You know, so that the combustible fuel is direct injected and the burning process quite lean in most using conditions. Is not these quite ecological and exhaust gases also relatively clean. And maybe greasing of engine with food grade oil, then the fumes are comparable to all kitchen fumes pumped to rural and denser populated areas:)
And people talk the future is electric. But it must be MADE first. Why not these with hydrogen gas fuel inlet? :D
The 2 stroke gods will be mad
XD
What would you say is the best 2cycle oil🤔
I don't know the answer to that but I have used ECHO red armor for the past 5 years and had no complaints.
Mercy! Poor Poulan!
Indeed, it never had a chance! :)
Wow I honestly can’t believe it ran that long 😂
I see what you did there. You thought it might not be good to have a gas can next to the motor that you wanted to blow up.
Jesus christ my friend has been using gasoline only on his 2 stroke bike. I dont know how it even runs still. It cant even go up a small hill.
Oh no! I hope it doesn't die on him!
Man I just bought a “Sthil FS 111” Trimmer and filled it with gas (No mix) 😩 Tried to star it but it didn’t start. After watching this video I took out all the gas and haven’t touch it since. Please tell me I didn’t damage it before even using it once. 😢
Well, if it hasn’t started yet you’re probably fine. Just fill the tank with fuel oil mix and try again.
Can we mix normal engine oil for 2t oil
In a pinch you can but it is NOT recommended because regular motor oil will usually separate out of the fuel much faster and the viscosity of motor oil can cause the fuel mixture to become too thick and can alter the tune on the engine and it can cause rapid carbon build up. I have done it before with no failures but just to ensure reliability just buy proper 2 stroke oil.
Can you repair the engine after?
Yes but you will need a new short block. That is piston and cylinder assembly
That is why you do let you neighbor borrow your 2 stroke equipment.
I drove my 2 stroke bike for like three days without oil. (It was brand new) haven’t looked at it yet 😅
Eeee… earrppp! (Seized).
I imagine these engines are not designed to withstand operating at full throttle continuously.. almost no engine is designed to operate that way.. so I really would be curious to see what one would like if abused till destruction in normal operations instead of just full-throttle continuously.
They are designed for continuous full throttle use. Air cooled by a flywheel fan they are used like this normally
This video was a waste.
He didn't do a break-in period. Just wot trottle on a new engine is a death sentence
I used pure gasoline on a 2 stroke engine and never had a problem. Never mind, this one has an oil squirter. Maybe that's why it lasted 😆
why did it start walking away?
Haha, vibrations made it 'walk'.
@@CopperCreekCuts :D
If that had of been a STIHL weed eater I would've made sure you were capitaly punished, but it was a poulan so I don't really give a shit. Good video though
Haha, too funny!
You have to test more than one to form a conclusion.
No, I am fairly confident I only need to test this one to determine running your 2 mix machine with straight fuel is a bad idea! :D
@@CopperCreekCuts yeah, because no factory has ever produced a single dud.
@@CopperCreekCuts great vid, i have no idea what point this guy is trying to make. Most 2 strokes or all as far as i know. You mix gas and oil. If you go against manufacturers instruction your producing a dud yourself anyway. Lol. Keep it up bro!
i had a buyer who fail to listen after buying my weed eater. i even made him watch me on how to mix the oil in the gas. a week later he called and told me the weed wacker he bought from me the engine seize up. he brough it back to me and during a inspection i discover that he never add any oil to the gas casing score on the cylinder walls and piston. im not sure if there's an language barrier between us or he thinks im full of shit and he knows more than i do.
I have a scooter 50 cc2 stroke Honda X8rs Air Cooling and I was driving it like for a whole day of course I always stop for 10-20 minutes so the engine cools more
At the end of the day my motorbike started behaving weirdly I thought it was over heated but it isnt going slow it was hiting 70 kmh
It is louder than before,oil leaked a bit in the Head I think that it isnt getting enough oil probably a blocked oil mixing tube that mixes oil with gas
I was wondering how to qualify for your promotional giveaway? I am a subsriber. Thank you!
Separate oil tank when
Not on two strokes.
@@CopperCreekCuts Well, it can still be run thru the carb same as the petrol, but somehow coming from a separate tank. Or they could do what 2 stroke Diesels often did. The crankcase was a normal 4 stroke crankcase but the engine itself drove a blower to provide the scavenging the case tends to on 2t Otto engines.
It's all hypothetical. I can't imagine it's good for profit
@@CopperCreekCuts I've seen two stroke scooters with a separate oil tank/oiling system.. But I would guess that it's just not suitable for two stroke power equipment, where I guess it would add unwanted weight and complexity (chainsaws, weed eaters and such)
I accidentally put lawnmower gas in my boat that did not have oil in it and I burnt approximately 10 gallons and my boat motor survived. Does anybody have any idea how this happened? This guy did not have any oil in it. It was only ethanol, free gas.
When I saw him put the propane tank next to it… dear lord
We live dangerously on this channel.
What mask are you wearing at 0:14?
Elipse half mask respirator: www.amazon.com/shop/coppercreekcutslawncare
Marathon Watching 4/10/22 An “oil”y video... 😏
what my dad sees in mechanic 1+1=2 what i see: x3+y3+z3=k
You d man..