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Today's episode is a reaction to a video by Justin & Victoria Boudreaux on God's plan for our lives and our marriages. It is chock-full of the prosperity gospel and naive sentiments that can be harmful to other young people trying to plan their lives.
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0:00 Preview
0:37 Intro
1:47 Clip 1
3:01 Why Do I Care
3:50 God Will Give You An Overall Vision For Your Life?
4:17 God Cares About Every Detail Of Your Life?
4:46 Who You Marry Is So Important For Your Christian Life?
6:29 God Will Make Bad Marriages Good?
7:41 God Wants Everything To Be Supernatural And Easy?
8:24 Christain Leaders Need To Be More Responsabile
9:02 Jeremiah 1:5 Out Of Context
9:33 Ephesian 2:10 Out Of Context
10:20 Clip 2
11:42 Jeremiah 29:11 Out Of Context
12:34 God Doesn't Promise These Things + They Don't Happen
15:56 Clip 3
16:26 Let's Talk About What The Bible Really Says
18:20 Reacting To Her Story
22:08 Final Thoughts
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These are videos i love doing. I feel so strongly about helping others avoid harm from this religion. Open to any and all thoughts. Cheers!
All forms of the word marriage occurs 22 times in 21 verses in the KJV Bible.
What chapter and verse is the last verse of the KJV Bible?
Revelation 21:9
9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
Christianity is NOT a religion.
Christianity is salvation and a relationship with God.
You have no idea what it is like to have a relationship with God because you never had a relationship with God to begin with during all your years that you believed to be a Christian because in order to be a true Christian you must be born again in the spirit.
Going by your videos you believe a sign of being born again in the spirit was the works that you did during your time that you believed that you were a Christian, but your works mean nothing when it comes to being a Christian and having a relationship with God, so if you believed that you were a true born again Christian based upon the works that you did when you believed you were a Christian then you are 100% wrong.
You think going to church every week made you to be a true Christian when you believed that you were one?
I stopped going to church years ago because I realized that I didn't need to go to some building every week and feel uncomfortable around all the people that were there due to being an introverted personality type in order to have my relationship with God.
My relationship with God is between me and him NOT between me, him, and other people because God has a personal relationship with us.
I am NOT giving up anything when it comes to being a Christian because all I do as a Christian is what I did before being a Christian and that is to live my life as best that I can, but as a Christian I now have God being a part of my life.
You are way too articulate for these delusionals.
They should exchange their god for a dog. And verily they will have more to anoint.
Oh, but no, how can you disregard my imaginary friend?
Married 38 years.
Wish I could redo the first 8 when I compromised on the existence of this skydaddy.
After that it was all plain sailing... Concentrating on loving and caring for my family, friends and associates.
Instead of wondering about an imaginary skydaddy.
She’s not yelling, she’s using the Amplified Bible.
Ok thats a good one!
@@MindShift-Brandon i second that.
😍🥧🥰👈👀
Using the street preacher version of teaching the gospel. Yell it in people’s faces and if you ignore them or show annoyance then they yell louder, or according to some people who encountered them and showed annoyance, they actually follow them around and yell directly in their faces.
Ok nice 👌
God didn't save our marriage, couples therapy did, and me and my wife who did the work. I can't believe I used to listen to people like her back in the days, lol.
great point. its on us! still christians will say god gave you the tool of couples therapy etc. Its so hard to separate it for them.
That is up front and fact.
God definitely gave me my wife. Haven't had to go to couples therapy yet, but we're only on year 11 right now so it may still be a possibility in the future. Hopefully we make it another 30 years or so. I don't think we'll make more than that because we'd be pretty old by that time and I'm pretty sure one of us is going to be seeing God in person by then. But yeah, even when God does work, we've got to work too. It's not a free ride that's for sure. I would definitely take issue with someone telling me I didn't do any of the work on my accounting degree. I'd be mad at God if he told me that, but he knows that's not true so I'm not worried about him claiming that. In any case, the Bible never claims you can't be mad at God. Many Biblical figures were at some point. Particularly Job, and for good reason. Every believer must wrestle with God in some way, as Jacob had to do.
@@user-wq2gs8eu7l You need to check your Pride claiming to know what God wants. Maybe go reread Job and Repent of YOUR Pride.
@user-wq2gs8eu7l Don't care. If I did, it doesn't mean I'm going to hell (or heaven). I can go anywhere else.
You are so right about the damage these ideas can cause. My father was abusive to myself and my sister and I as well as my mother but she always stood by him because " it was her duty as a Christian wife." I have struggled all my life with this childhood trauma. My father passed away, and my mother moved in with me for a few months. During this time, I realized how much I resented her for not protecting me. I asked her about it and she admitted that her husband had always come first. As a mother myself, I can't understand that at all. This all probably had a big part in turning me away from my faith. Religious abuse is real and very detrimental for so many. Thanks as always, Brandon!
thank you so much for sharing a real and tangible personal story for people to see. I think others can think we are being exaggeratory or unfair when we cover this stuff, but its so real for so many.
You are strong and I admire you.
This is caused by misinterpretation of the Bible - the correct translation tells us (Aramaic) that wives should "give honor" to their husbands. The other translation(s) incorrectly state that wives should "submit" to their husbands. The Bible also allows for divorce; and remarried couples do not live in a perpetual state of adultery, once they confess the sin, God forgives it.
@@pegc9889 "misinterpretation of bible .. translation .. wifes give honor ... divorce adultery after confession"
Well that does not sound much better at all. I don't see that as an excuse for god because perhaps there was the wrong use of the word. How as far changing the word "submit" to "honor", I don't see that as a huge difference in how it would be interpreted by men. It seems to me that in Hebrew the word leans more to the meaning of submit than honor. it is just modern people trying to make the bible seem less harsh..... Plus, Just look at the overall way woman are viewed compared to men in the bible and i think anyone could reasonable believe "submit" was a better translation.
Woman were little better than slaves. IN fact if you were a Jewish slave you only had to suffer as a slave for 7 years not your entire life as a wife. If you were mistreated then you and abused you had to "submit" and that was how you "honored" the marriage. Being a wife in an abusive relationship was a life sentence with no pardon.
As for as god forgiving a person commuting adultery there are a few problems. The biggest one being that there is no solid prove that god exist. That has to be true before an actual god can forgive. Just writing it down on paper does not make it real. The bible is not self-proving.
But I have seen Christians for over 50 years do a "song and dance" to make the bible not say what it clearly says. This wordplay and deseptive tricks are done in order to make it not look like a horrible document or record the actions of a horrible god. IF the bible is infallible then it does a a "piss-poor" job proving it . They never address how Christians changed words or created errors to make Christianity look better in the OT. It is always trying to make the disjointed messages seem to be error free or not so harsh.
Faith is not fact
belief is not evidence
The bible is not a self-proving document
@@CuffsmasterYou probably won't believe this, but someone was translated to Heaven and he asked Jesus about the "submit" verse. Jesus told him that the ARAMAIC translation was correct: "wives give honor" to your husbands. As a woman, to me this is a HUGE difference. As far as how women were treated: When Jesus came, He ELEVATED women and made them part of His inner circle, which was unusual for that culture. Regarding slaves, MANY CHOSE not to leave after the 6 years - they had been given shelter, food, safety..... God, the Father, is LOVING, but the problem is with PEOPLE.
Both my wife and I were christians when we started having marriage problems several years ago. I took it upon myself to find a marriage counselor (no god involved). After a few sessions by myself, my wife decided to join our sessions. It took about a year of counseling, but we are still together. We celebrated our 41st anniversary last month. If you want something done, you have to take some sort of action-no magic sky daddy is going to do it for you.
I needed that encouragement!
love this! good work. Marriage is special and important and worth fighting for sure, but its not divine, not right for everyone, and there is a time to leave. Thanks for sharing!
Christians need practical help, like everyone else. But turning away from Jesus Christ won't help. He DOES answer prayer and wants marriages to succeed. Psychologist/counselors have a lot to offer, but they are not all-knowing.
Particularly when the magic sky daddy is TELLING you to take action. I particularly like when he says gird up your loins like a man. That is not something you tell somebody that you want to keep weak and helpless.
James 2:17 (KJV) Faith without Works is dead; being alone
I am so grateful to my Lord, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that my relationship with my wife survived and thrived after I deconstructed from Christianity. She was so incredibly gracious with me through that process. And now we're both blessed as secular sinners.
In the name of pasta, Amen.
happy and jealous for you!
" Lord, the Flying Spaghetti Monster "
May our Lord the FSM keep you safe from the garlic bread demons of the world.
But it does add something to the meaning of Chruch "Communion services" where you are to eat the body of Christ (crackers or unleavened bread) and drink his blood (wine).
Eating the Spaghetti would be far a far better god body to eat than the bread and would go better with the wine.
HOWEVER in the Baptist Church I went to as a child we got welch's Grape juice. Many didn't really believe Jesus turned water into real wine anyway. After all wine was/in evil. Jesus would not drink wine for sure....
My uncle was teaching a Sunday school class and someone ask him about the wine wine problem in the Southern Bapitist Chruch. . He said of course Jesus turned water into wine and drank it with his meals. That afternoon Church elders came to see him at his home to ask about that and why he said that.' They told him not to say that.
He told him to make a list of all the other things said in the bible he was to lie about. Soon they replaced him as a Sunday School teacher..
Ramen!
I worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster too!!!
@@davidk7529 Ahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! You are priceless.
This set me up for failure. I thought god was telling me to marry a specific person 25 years ago. I did. And I would spend the next 20 years being so ashamed that I was so unhappy.
oh man, i am so sorry to hear that. how terrible for so many reasons. Thanks for sharing!
It was like this with my second marriage. all the "signs" pointed to her being "the one for me." It was a rocky 10 years. I was a minister at the the time and didn't feel like I could end it. eventually, I just got all the way fed up and opted out.
the bible does not teach such a thing
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
It’s interesting that the Christians need to almost yell their messages. They are always loud and speak in a desperate way that provokes emotion. Yet, ex Christian’s and non believers just states thier opinions calmly and matter of factly.
Yes. I actually am planning a video on that. Its emotional priming and id even say manipulation to a degree
That’s exciting! I’ve been searching for info on the history of preaching and the tactics they use but can’t find much. I do find info on how film makers, musicians and public speakers manipulate emotion and I see the churches utilizing those things. Thanks for your vulnerability and compassionate approach on this subject.
@@MindShift-Brandon they have to “sell” it to you like a bad infomercial 😬
I do find the yelling and the arm waving very off-putting.
It's like the freaky preachers who emphasize the last letter of a phrase with a loud "-uh" .
I first saw this in some Eddie Murphy movie, and thought it was just that one character who had this peculiar speech pattern, and it was funny. Now I hear it from several white TV preachers and it sounds so fake.
Emotions, the only thing religion preys on.
I was abused for 15 years because I wouldnt divorce due to Christian advice. When my son began to be abused i left but continued to try and save the relationship two more years. Ive been in therapy for over 25 years since. Our son is 37 happy and healthy.
Her next victim strangled her.
Oh wow. What a story. Thank you so much for being willing to share. I am so happy you and your son made it out!
Thankful you and your son made it out!
I'm so glad you got out of it
I’ll never forget my leader of a Christian woman’s group (Southern Baptist). She literally said, “husbands can get really angry sometimes and all you can do is just stay in constant prayer”. She didn’t say it, but I guarantee you she was being physically abused. You could just see it in her troubled eyes. It’s absolutely heartbreaking. They truly believed the man was the ruler of the house. They will always believe that divorce is sinful. It’s horrendous. I got lucky that I was never taught that ever in FUMC where I grew up.
Its just so so sad. Ive seen it myself in our groups. How awful for women to keep other women down and abused in the name of christian submission
Smh makes me so angry
I remember my mother listening to a pastor the other day and he said to a couple, "You shouldn't beat your wife, but I hope your wife is submitting to you." It was so disgusting!
Lmao I am loving the buzzer during her opening talk I don’t think I’ve ever heard that in a video before you should keep doing it
Haha 😂 I love this. Please keep it.
Ha! I will then. But i think it only plays if there is so many things wrong
@@MindShift-Brandon but like that’s really not hard with a ton of Christian advise videos/apologetics
@@MindShift-Brandon I really hope you don't. The sound effects were so bothersome that I had to stop watching. Little visual markers would be fine (but might bother the next viewer).
Start with audio and symbol for less than 30 seconds (so each only repeats max 2-3 times) might work. Then turn off the trigger sounds. Lol. Maybe that would work best rather than no audio effects at all.
6 months?! What in the Girl Defined is that? 🤦🏼♀️
Thank you for covering this!
I think of how many friends I have in Christian circles that act like they have a perfect marriage…But they’re miserable. I’ve been at the women’s Bible studies where they share their struggles but try to put a happy spin on it. The only ones that actually seemed happy were the ones that weren’t fully following the Bible.
Thank you for putting this out there. Even if it makes one person pause before jumping in with someone that says “God told me we’re supposed to get married,” it would be a huge win!
Thank you so much. Yes its rampant! Not one off examples. Abuse and misuse is everywhere
The trouble with these people isn't so much that they believe God to have a plan for everyone, but that they seem to think they are as omniscient as God about this plan.
Girl Defined. Lol
Bethany and Kristen preached toxic purity culture to teenage girls and young women for years. Lying to them that if they remain ignorant and inexperienced in sex before their marriage, that they will have the best sex life and marriage.
Then Bethany gets married and admits her sex life is horrific, shares that her husband had a huge penis but is useless at sex and confesses that she struggled so much to be sexually satisfied with her husband that she became "raw meat down there" (gross TMI).
Then you have the likes of Steven Crowder who bragged endlessly that his marriage was perfect and he had the best sex life ever and that openly degraded those who had sex before marriage. Then it turns out he is abusive and hates his wife and their marriage was a train wreck.
With so many of these christian couples, they marry young just to fuck. Compatibility, love, happiness and even consent are not considerations. All they want is to fuck and need permission from their religious community so they get married.
I find it so annoying how condescending young, newly-married Christian people are towards single people as if divine knowledge has suddenly been conferred. "When you're married you'll understand". I'd lived with people, was onto my second main job in a stable career, had to share finances and been having kinky, queer sex far longer (with more partners) than them, not to mention being older. I'm not sure what "knowledge" THEY'D suddenly gained just because they discovered living with a partner (not their parents), budgeting 101, and the missionary position. 🙄
@@jacliveshere They may have been fully following the Bible, just not insisting on a literal interpretation. Insisting on a literal interpretation of all Biblical texts is a relative new phenomenon.
Your voice is so calm and measured, it's easy to listen to. She's yelling in such an obnoxious enthusiasm, it's grating
Thats really nice to hear. Thank you
Both me and my wife decovnerted. It actually saved our marriage.
oh wow, thats awesome to hear you could do it together.
My ex-girlfriend, when we we're still together, said God told her I was going to be her husband. As it turned out, we ended up going our separate ways in 2016, and this was after she had started planning a wedding for the two of us. She would constantly get royally upset with me because I refused to give my hard-earned money to her Bishop who was already stinking rich. That was just one of the may religion-based issues that continued to drive a wedge between us. It's been almost eight years since our breakup and I know for certain that I dodged a bullet. She called me out of the blue just a few months ago, this year, still single, and asked me why I didn't marry her. I told her, "religion got in the way". I guess God must've lied to her when he told her I was going to be her husband.
oh man, thats crazy. And so i wonder what she thinks now. Is god a liar? or did she just misunderstand?
@@MindShift-Brandon I don't know and I don't care.😂
@@collingalanos1783 she will DEFINITELY say that she just heard wrong!
She can’t be wrong about the big picture self-narrative, it’s cognitively harder to accept you’ve fooled yourself and let other fools fool you to such a big degree…especially when and if it came from an otherwise loving family.
@@louisfields5659 I knew our relationship was in trouble when I realized how often she was starting her sentences with the words, "God told me".
When I was a believer, I thought God was leading me to teach in a southern state. Only job that seemed to be coming my way right then. Made the move. Miserable place to be. Stuck there for 15 purgatorial years before finally being able to escape. So unhappy, so frustrated, for SOOOO long because I thought it was where god wanted me to be.
Ugg thats just awful. So sorry to hear
I have known young Christians like this woman and they drive me insane. They so confidently talk about how God will show you where to live, who to marry, what vocation you should have, Etc. Supposedly he has everything planned out for you down to the slightest detail. You just need to wait upon him to let you know. Frankly it's nonsense! Even when I was a Christian that never proved true. I could never figure out God's will for my life.
And most of these answers, if really from christ, would be no family follow me, no vacations, give the money away. No house. Sell it all and go live in a tent
these days one of my biggest questions for Christians is why they're so enthusiastic for marriage when both Jesus and Paul were pretty explicitly against starting a family.
right, its so crazy how the church has tried to own marriage despite the obvious divide between what we are all called to.
"Jesus and Paul .. against starting a family"
There you go using logic when you know you can't lol....
Good point I didn't think about when watching..
Paul recommended against it if one was able to serve God alone without having to serve a spouse as well. I don't recall Jesus specifically saying don't start a family. But he did say be prepared to abandon a family if that family gets in the way of his teachings. In other words, if your wife wants to become a swinger, or your son wants to become a thief, you can't encourage them to go down those paths and you have to go a different path than them if they keep going down it.
@@theboombody "If wife swinger ... Son thief"
This is a gross exaggeration of what he said in an attempt to justify it. That is Christian apologetic behavior at its finest. It is trying to round the sharp edges that are obviously crazy sounding for a good and fair god to say. Christianity is full of that type of word "tap dancing. "
Hell if god is to ignorant to write a clear statement then why try to justify it. God should be able to do that simple task. Just consider him inferior at conveying his thoughts and events if they have to be explained by man to make sense.. If inferior then he is not infallible. If not infallible then that opens a whole new understand of the bible.
But then the man Jesus didn't have a family for some reason so his advice on family shoud be seen with that grain of salt added. One can guess why he was not married and remember he hung always with 12 guys.
Paul didn't have a family as well. I imagine he was more of a nutcase and an emotional wreak. He sounds like one of the TV preachers claiming to heal people. It is easy to see thought them and I think Paul would be the same if examined under modern eyes. He might even be a Jim Jones type.
Jesus's words are not infallible even if he actually did say them. Some of the "red letter sentences" in the bible I seriously question him actually saying. The new books of the bible were not written until years after his death so exaggerations are sure to have occurred. I suspect all the claimed supernatural events fall in that problem. This happened to attract members and revenue to the Chruch.
Dear Jef. Jesus came to save the world, not to marry. He never spoke against it. Paul said if you can't remain celebate while serving God, then get a wife. He never spoke against marriage. Never. Where do you get this stuff from?
This has helped me to see that Christians (my past self included) are never actually told we have a choice who to marry. It's never about thinking of your own feelings and deciding who you want to be with, it's just about figuring out who God has planned for you to marry. Which can easily be muddied by others claiming they have knowledge about who God wants you to marry, and the suitors themselves can claim God told them you are supposed to marry them. I, and countless others, have been robbed of the chance to truly choose who we marry. Great points.
I simply cannot take someone seriously giving advice after 6 months of experience. Almost regardless the topic but especially when it comes to relationship / marriage advice. But unfortunately I think, that will not stop everyone from listening to this harmful thoughts and concepts. Thank you for being very clear about the abuses and suffering that happen in many relationships.
The desire to have a successful Christian marriage led me to be groomed by a man almost 8 years older than me who was involved in ministry at the church I attended at age 15. And biblical marriage advice kept me in an abusive and destructive marriage for over 20 years with this Christian man. Christianity cares more about the institution of marriage than the individuals in the relationship. Thankful to be out of the toxic marriage and religion now!
Thats just terrible. I am so sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing though and im so pleased for you now!
Well said. Many of the religious leaders of today are very much like the Pharisee religious leaders Jesus constantly argued with. They care more about the letter of the law while completely ignoring the spirit of it. One reason the church is declining in membership. I keep saying they can't ignore fornication and condemn homosexuality. One of those two actually involves more commitment than the other.
Healthy balanced comment... thanks..
I dated a guy for five years who left me for the pastor’s niece because God told them we weren’t meant to be together but they were. This is HIGHLY toxic. He was a youth pastor and I his “help meet”. My family and I were then cut off by the leaders of the church. When congregants were skeptical of the situation. They told them that I was a cheater and an abuser to make what they did more palatable.
I am so so sorry. Thats insane!
I didn't think deconstructing my faith was going to change my views on so many other parts of my life! I had no idea how ubiquitous was the influence of the faith on what i thought were "my own" views.
Right?! Its truly life changing
Thanks for doing what you do! 30+ years a Christian, tried to make it all make sense, but couldn’t defend the insanity anymore. Yes, these wonky beliefs robbed me of my agency, led me to pursue a calling (that was a huge lie), and Seeking God’s specific plan for me was vanity and chasing after the wind - cuz there is no plan but what we make. I don’t blame God, but I do fault those that spread the lies.
Note how she doesn't actually explain how anything works. She says that "God will show you the way!", but doesn't explain how he will do this. She says to "seek the Lord", but doesn't explain how that actually works.
It's all wonderfully vague, isn't it?
wonderfully vague, indeed. thats a great way of putting it and is par for the course for any religious teaching.
Her message that Jesus will show you a light on all those areas of life and will tell you who to marry, be friends with, etc is setting up so many people for failure. Christians who fail to get those "messages" will feel and be told their faith is weak and they need to get closer to Jesus. When all the while there is nothing wrong with them except they are praying to an imaginary friend.
exactly. its irresponsible and sad!
While she was rampetamping, I turned on the light. It was indeed a bit dark in here. 😂😂😂
@@MrCanis4😂😂😂😂😂
What always struck me and disgusted me when I was a Christian is that I was spoken of as a tool for god. How anyone, let alone so many people alive right now, would seek with all their hearts to be servile slaves, or chess pieces in the hands of a master as you said, was always beyond me and viscerally revolting.
Yes. And to think i used to take pride in being a vessel for his use. Gross
I was a fanatical, Evangelical Christian when I got married. My marriage has been a nightmare!
I had never thought about the manipulative aspect of telling someone "God told me we are going to get married." 🤯 now it seems so obvious! Thank you!
My pleasure!
Omg the buzzer! I just can’t even 😂😂😂
ha, i hope it didnt come off too rude.
This is so messed up and was the cause of me loosing almost everything. I married at the age of 24, we both were devoted Christians from the Pentecostal church. Since the start our marriage did not work, but we kept in it because we did not believe in divorce and we wanted to please god. We reach the point that we were sleeping in different rooms and it was terrible. We finally decided to get a divorce. After we divorced we kept going to the same church. One day a “prophet” was invited to our church. The prophet called my ex wife and me to the altar. Then said to us that we had disobeyed god and that god will give us one last chance to do thing right, that he had great things for us together and that that he was going to bless us in ways we have never seen. The short story is that we remarried and the doors of hell open in our life. We lasted two years and ended once again divorced. After this I got depressed, stop going to church and my depression started to affect everything in my life. People are playing with fire and they think that this shit is something good. No it’s not. This god will not do shit for you. The factors for a good marriage is on the two persons in the relationship and there is no warranty that it will work. When it does not work, the best thing for both parts is to end the agony. I will like to write a book titled ; How Christianity fucked my life. Maybe I can recover all what I lost. Who knows
"Prophet ...called my ex wife and me to the alter"
Now he didn't get this message from god. I wonder, Who was the nosey S O B that put the word in his ear. That person needs their ass kicked and told to mind their own business. I am sorry you had to deal with this b/s.
I can't imagine how humiliating that would be and you probably knew it was a bad move to start over from the start. I am sure the Church members thought the "prophet" did a great job and was so pleased with him. I am also sure he left himself an opening so he would not ber blamed if it failed again.
I have a real problem with the concept of a prophet telling me anything about anything. How do you become a "prophet" How do you make people believe it? Is there money in it, I'm looking for a new job?
I am sorry that you and your ex had this problem.
Thats just insane! I am so sorry to hear that
@@MindShift-Brandon The good part of my story is that years latter a met a atheist for the first time in my life. I was 50 at this time. Yes, I knew they existed but never had met one. He was a coworker, the most friendly guy I have ever met. He was from Germany. When I ask him; how is it possible not to believe in a god? His answer was; I have never believed. This blew my mind. I thought that atheist were evil people and this guy was not at all. This started my journey to study the history of what I believed was true. Well I had no other choice to accept it was not. It was then that I started to see how dangerous and wrong this belief was. People don’t realize that they are many Christians that has never encounter a non believer. Their religion is all they know and they are convinced that it’s all they need. I was one until shit started to hit the fan.
@@jacliveshere I’m so sad to hear this. I hope you are doing well now. Life is tuff, but this shit makes it not only tuff but traumatic. It not only affects your past relationships but the future ones as well. Religion trauma is a real thing and I think it is not addressed as what it is. The religion freedom is what opens the door for all this destruction, because this is what it does. It destroys your life in a very subtle way.
@@jacliveshere I do agree.
When I talk about religion freedom, I’m talking about the liberty that religion people have to do what ever crazy thing they please and not being accountable for the damage they do. When I was told to reunite with my ex, the person that act like someone with authority which was the cause of the harm done bears no responsibility. You can not sue for damage because they are protected by religion freedom. People don’t realize that when they are in a religion sect, they have giving the authority of this religion every right over their thinking process. They will manipulate, lie, shame, give false prediction, twist reality and threaten you with eternal punishment in order to have you under their control. And believe it or not, all this is legal because of the religion freedom rights. Only when rape is confirmed the authorities will interviene and even this we know is limited. For me religion is a double edge knife. It looks like a good system when in reality it does more harm than good. It’s goal is to have you under their spell.
When I was fourteen I decided never to get married. Now, forty-six years later, two daughters and never married.
Fortunately, I live in a country where this as no disadvantage for me and my daughters at all.
I remember in second grade thinking how I knew I didn't want to get married or have kids.
People kept telling me I'd change my mind. I didn't. Now 36 lol. They only started believing me around age 30. Denial is a bizarre thing - some people just really don't want to face cognitive dissonance when they're told things have to be a certain way and God will make things happen.
I think the real reason they all wanted me to get married and have kids is they were projecting. They felt they had to and my not doing it was dangerously close to them having to introspect on whether marriage and kids was the only path forward.
That and my parents just didn't see us as individuals but extensions of them of course lol. Pretty sure my mom felt cheated by me not giving her grandchildren lol.
@@curiousnerdkitteh My daughters are in their late twenties now. am i going to have grandchildren or not. I don't care much about that. If it happens, great, if it doesn't, also great. It's completely up to them. And they know my thoughts on this. No pressure.
She didn’t miss a single cliche. All those promises! A setup for failure, which religion always does. Tragedy is random but, one thing is true - no one gets through life unscathed. I won’t even mention her speaking with such authority when she is so immature and inexperienced. 🤦🏼♀️
you said it, Beegee! so much confidence and authority with nothing to back it up.
Yeah, this is someone who has clearly never suffered injustice, pain, been cheated on, etc. It’ll be a painful awakening when she runs blindly into the wall.
"God's Chosen People" = "God's Master Race"
If she is an 'chosen one' then I think her boss doesn't know anything about public relations.
You forgot to put a green checkmark ding for "God's no respector of person" 😂
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lol that wasnt the context, but that would have been hilarious!
I'm writing this comment after watching about half of her opening statement and I'm completely EXHAUSTED. Good grief. Take it down a couple notches, friend. Breathe. There you go.
Lol for sure!
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One of the saddest commentaries on a person's life is the ending of Pearl S. Buck's biography of her missionary father, "Fighting Angel." Here was a man who was so consumed by God that he had little use for anything or anyone else. Everything had to revolve around him and his way of serving the Lord. He was on yet another of his missionary journeys in the mountains of China when he passed away. "And so he died," she wrote, "and never knew he lived."
Thanks for sharing that one. It is said he dedicated a life to something not real, but at least he was consistent with what he believed. Not making excuses for his lack of care for everyone and everything else in his life but this is the kind of christian who at least i can say they dod what they believed to be right
8:18 This is so on point! I ended up with a predator 33 years older than me. 20 years of abuse. 20 years of being raped. Of submitting. Being told to be cheerful for him. To be available... to a man who was raping me. Who had physically assaulted and terrorized me. Who held a weapon to me more than once. Who had repeatedly threatened all of our lives, including our five daughters. "Consider it good joy..." haunts me. "For God has not given us the spirit of fear..." makes me cringe. I can't begin to describe the times I suppressed cries, sobbed in the living room floor face down in the middle of the night.
One thing that stands out is the "biblical training" I received not to speak ill to anyone about my husband. I was supposed to protect his reputation. How many women suffer in silence with no one to turn to? Then we are treated like it's our fault for displeasing him. Gross.
Of course, everyone turned from me after leaving him. The advice I got not to divorce with an order of protection for a year was mind blowing. No thank you. I stopped going to church all together in 2010.
Yes, I received helped. I had C-PTSD. I am 14 years out. Last year my mind basically exploded with the realization the core trauma was religion itself. I've felt more peace since since learning this, RTS is such a thing. Thank you for your channel, and several others I follow. It's helped tremendously to reframe in a logical sound way how to view a God I was in constant fear of displeasing. Never more.
I al beyond sorry to hear your story. Unfortunately, i know its far too common. Thank you for being willing to share it here. So glad you made it out, found help, and are doing so much better!
This hits home so hard. I married the person I thought god had for me. We had two amazing kids together. We both left the faith together in 2012, and then divorced in 2018. Come to find out I was the type of man - a good Christian man - her parents raised her to seek out, but not the man she wanted. Oh but god had a plan. 😂 I did get two amazing kids out of it at least.
sorry to hear about the split, but yes thats the other problem. Marrying the "right" person biblically doesnt make them compatible, attractive to you, able to grow with you etc. Not saying that was your case, just in general, theres a split there.
@@MindShift-Brandon I totally agree. She was definitely attractive. Compatible at the time, but that changed quite a bit over time, and I was fine with that. I wanted to stay married, but she didn’t. Turns out I’ve never been happier lol. Funny how that works.
"but not the man she wanted" This part!
@@BookishChas no wife can lead to a happy life.
Even if you marry someone you don't want, I think you should still honor your commitment and learn to love that person. Learn to like what you already have. If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with. I mean, heck, she must have liked you SOMEWHAT to get married to you in the first place. Most believers don't want to stay married to an unbelieving spouse, but the Bible recommends you should stay together even then. But if she leaves against your will, there sure isn't much you can do about that. At least you did your part and kept trying. That's all you can do.
I recently ended my engagement with my partner who is a Christian. We had been dating for 9 years before our engagement. I was raised Catholic and had deconstructed to a point where I did not believe in Christianity anymore. I was honest and told him this. But he could not see a way past it.
I knew that I could not make him change his beliefs. But I have felt so much bitterness and resentment since our relationship ended. That he chose a relationship with Jesus over me, a literal person who has spent so much time loving him.
Despite the differences in our upbringing, I did what I could to engage with his faith tradition and I compromised on a lot. Even though I'm not surprised, it felt like such a betrayal, in the end when he chose religion over me.
11:20 Did she miss the part where the Bible told her to be QUIET.
- from a woman who hasn't finished the video yet 😅
(If I took the Bible half as seriously as her, I wouldn't even risk God seeing me leave this comment. A comparatively short time spent on Earth being quiet is nothing compared to Hell.)
100% agree that telling people to stay in a bad relationship because somehow god will eventually make it right is such a harmful and dangerous advice. It's very comparable to telling people they don't need therapy to address mental health issues but should instead pray or whatever Jesus-related nonsense.
The weird thing is that people making such advice probably do it with good intentions, without imagining the potential consequences it could have.
right, i am sure this young lady is nothing but hopeful and wanting to be helpful and is doing what she believes is right, but thats why the religion is so harmful. Good people can propagate its bad ideas so easily.
The Bible doesn't tell Christians to stay in relationships in which there is physical or verbal abuse; and definitely not when adultery has been committed. The problem isn't with God/Jesus or the Bible, it's with the people who misinterpret the Bible or control and manipulate for their own benefit. A women married the wrong man when she was very young, the Lord told her to confess the sin and that He would send someone else into her life. God did, and they have been married for many years, and are even in ministry.
It really depends on HOW bad the relationship is. Marital vows include "for worse" for a reason. Now if someone married you just for the sole purpose to abuse you, that's one thing. Pretending you're a great guy and then just using your new wife for cooking, money, and sex after you're married knowing she wants to keep the commitment is pretty horrendous. But if you just grow tired of each other over time, or you fight more often over trivial things, that really is something you should learn to work out rather than break up over. My wife and I pretty much have an agreement to work things out unless it involves physical abuse, drug use, or adultery. And at one time I was guilty of thinking prayer should always be enough for any behavioral issues, but I've learned to be more open to the work of helpful counselors even though their methods (or indeed anyone's methods) sure aren't foolproof. Prayer definitely is not a foolproof way to achieve your own personal desired results.
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"(...) people who misinterpret the Bible (...)"
This expression is becoming more and more meaningless to me evrytime I hear or read it. This supposes there is one correct way to interpret the scriptures, the problem is, which is this correct way, and can we know?
Just because your own interpretation 'feels' right, or has been explained to you by someone you believe to be reliable may not be enough.
In my opinion, considering how often the bible lacks clarity, and provides verses to support many ideas and their litteral opposite is largely enough for me to prove this is not the word of an all knowing god.
Take what you say for instance, any fundamentalist christian who would disagree with you could easily use the passage from Mark chapter 10 and insist on verse 9 to justify that divorce is a big no no 'just' in case of an abusive relationship, then the interpretation battle could continue ad nauseam.
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"But if you just grow tired of each other over time, or you fight more often over trivial things, that really is something you should learn to work out rather than break up over"
Each situation is unique, I don't believe this is something you can give general advice for. How long has the couple been married? Do they have children? Are the things they are fighting for trivial or do they concern serious matters that involve serious work to reconcile their views? etc....
In any case, forcing yourself to stay in a relationship for religious reasons is a very bad idea in my opinion, this kind of decision, like any important one must be grounded in reality, not on the hopes and promises based on the hypothetical existence of a divine being that may or may not have our best interest in mind. If it exists at all.
"Prayer definitely is not a foolproof way to achieve your own personal desired results"
I'm genuinely curious about what people expect from prayer. Do you expect to change god's mind about its plans? Doesn't its timeless and all knowing nature imply that all future events are already set from its point of view? Wouldn't god answering a prayer be equivalent to god admitting its plan was wrong, and should be changed for the better?
Given that the epilogue of Jeremiah's story is titled Lamentations, applying that particular book to your relationships is an-let's say-interesting choice. Especially when your thesis is basically "let go and let God." I wouldn't call Jeremiah's fate "finding a groove where it gets easier."
As a Christian, I obsessed over discovering some inkling of "God's plan." As an atheist, I'm equally lost when it comes to navigating life, but my perspective is (to me at least) much healthier. Looking back, this advice seems like a case of casting dice and then blaming yourself when they fail to come up all sixes.
great point, i am quite confident that these people never even read all of Jeremiah. Great comparison with the dice!
But those are 4 sided dice!
That buzzer sound is taking me out 😂😂😂😂 def keep that going with the channel
Man, I can’t get enough of your videos. You have valuable points and it just makes so much sense to what that book really means.
Never stop speaking the truth!
…and the truth will set you free!
Thats awesome to hear! Thanks so much
If I ever decided to marry it would be an agreement between myself and my partner.
No gods wanted or needed.
Great discussion! I also see a huge divide between the Dave Ramsey type of financial Christianity and what Jesus actually said (and didn’t say) about finances and financial planning in the Bible.
yes! i mean if we take Jesus at his word, none of us should save any money at all lol
Omg LOVE the buzzer idea! 😂
Lol. Glad it wasnt annoying. Was a bit worried
There are so many issues that it can be hard, even exhausting, at times to try to sufficiently unpack. You do a great job at dissecting Brandon! Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much!
My brother-in-law proudly told me after he and my sister were married that god gave him agency over her and he could dictate her every move and thought, right down to what she could wear. But he wouldn't, because he was a nice guy.
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Gross!
I nearly fell out of my chair, with the buzzer going off. It was hilarious! But this young girl comes across as a fanatic and she could be setting herself up for some big disappointments.
lol, many loved it and many hated it, not sure ill be able to stick with it ha. Yes, i by no means want her to have to learn the lesson the hard way, but i do hope something wakes her up to this before her message reaches more people.
Would you say that there are any fanatics who ascribe to an atheist ideology? My neighbor is fanatical about Marvel movies and believes every home should have them on the dvd shelf, and he's actually quite a cool Guy to be around.
@@lancemarchetti8673a hobby is not the same as a religious belief 🥴
my husband and i are high school sweethearts and have been married 11 years. I deconstructed and deconverted about 3 years ago. He did not. It has been an incredible challenge for us and how we relate to each other and what we will teach our kids. But we are in marriage counseling and we love each other still. We are willing to work on us, even without god 😊
I am in almost the exact same boat, except wife, 13 years and 4 years.
If I were to seek marriage advice, it would be from from folks like you and your wife, who have had to face serious conflicts of belief and have been successful. Also, from an old who has been married 20 years, it’s never a finished project. Your marriage is what you put into it every day.
Well said at the end there. Its sad actually. If you are just matched up by a god, doesn’t it rob you of that effort and subsequent contentment from putting in the work
@@MindShift-Brandon God creates the opportunity for the work to be done. He doesn't expect his followers to be lazy in their duties to their spouses and to their society. And he does give credit to those that follow his commands to make efforts to stay happily married to those he joins together. Just because he gets credit for everything doesn't mean his followers don't get it too.
18:10 ... "........ filling people's heads with nonsense, allowing them to make horrible decisions that cause real harm is inexcusable."
Yep...Christianity in a nutshell.
Does the “amplified” version of the Bible mean that you have to shout it?
Listening to her is like taking a drink out of a firehose.
Haha great!!
I just love how christians waltz through the bible picking up a verse here and a verse there and string them together to make these pearls of wisdom. You can get the bible to say literally anything like this.
Can't really get it to say adultery is a good, wonderful, feeing thing. Never have seen that in there.
How bout when god totally allowed Abraham to rape his slave hagar and when she ran away after being mistreated by Sarah, god sent an angel to bring her back to her rapist
@@theboombodyAll throughout scripture there’s men that had more than one wife and/or concubines and god had little to nothing to object about it (except for Bathsheba and David). That’s adultery. According to the Bible, only one man and one woman should be married but I guess a handful were exceptions to the rule..🤷🏽♀️
sorry but that is what mindshift is doing
Ephesians 6:9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
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You are really doing some great work, calling out the evangelical/fundie nonsense one video at a time. It IS sad that people spend their entire lives in bad/abusive/unfulfilling/miserable marriages thinking they are pleasing a mythological sky daddy.
Thanks so much. Your comments always make me smile!
Well if you do what God wants, you're going to please him. I think it's pretty clear he doesn't want someone in an abusive marriage. An unfulfilling one, well, that's something you can't just leave once you commit. You need to learn to work with what you got and make it fulfilling. Remember that sky daddy is the one that gives us our rights to be free from tyranny according to the US declaration of independence. Without an argument for human rights being innate in nature, our only counter to tyranny is brute force. You're not going to find a scientific law saying science proves human beings have certain rights. Skeptic David Hume made that clear with his fact-value distinction.
@@theboombody The teachings of the bible CONDONE abusive relationships, giving men all the power over women and admonishing women to be submissive, to not have a stake in decisions, to shed their personhood, hopes and dreams to be helper, maid, cook, child rearer and sex slave. Women are told to obey/submit even when they are being abused (abuse = emotional, spiritual, sexual as well as physical). I don't know what god you're referring to.
@@tinyshepherdess7710 The one who in Ephesians 5:25 tells husbands to love their wives as God loved the church and gave himself up for it. That involves a whole heck of a lot of sacrifice. My wife is a strong woman. She's like the wife in Proverbs 31 who considers a field and buys it. She could easily leave me and take care of herself if I tried to bully her into some kind of submissiveness just to satisfy my own ego. But she knows that when I put that ring on her finger, I was giving her my life and she was giving me hers. Jesus emphasizes this in Mark 10:8 when he says the two become one flesh after the religious leaders asked him some stupid questions about whether or not men are entitled to divorce their wives over trivial reasons. Spouses essentially sacrifice themselves for each other. It's a special relationship. They don't use each other as some kind of employee.
I love this comment section 😭✨
Great video once again!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I stayed in abuse for 23 yrs after i was saved as a 23 yr old. Birthed 11 kids, tried with everything in me to win a lost husband (1Peter ch 3). I finally saw it was destroying me. I have C-ptsd. I left, I'm no longer a bible believer. Didn't think it was possible but it is. Im not a Christian. This harmed me and I was so devoted to the scripture. Can't undo the harm done to my kids, ages 4-24
I was fully aware of the teaching on suffering and was willing.
Paul says that you shouldn't get married unless you are burning with lust, but neither he nor any other Biblical author has anything at all to say to the Christian person who yearns to get married but has no chance to because there is nobody in the church for them to marry! (Never mind burning with lust.) Lifelong involuntary celibacy is one of the dirty little secrets of the abstinence movement, a movement run by women that mainly targets impressionable young teenage girls and fills their heads with unrealistic nonsense. What they do not tell these young girls is that waiting until marriage is a lot like being a vegan or keeping kosher when almost nobody else in your community does. Easy to do by yourself but not so easy to do around others. It CAN have a negative affect on your ability to socialize and find a suitable partner. There are plenty of aging Christian virgins who are well past their prime and have no hope of finding a partner; some accept this as God's will and get on with their lives but there are others who are bitter about this and feel that they may have been lied to. Some end up looking for love outside of the church only to find that they may have to choose between "the Lord" and love. If both people are not on the same page regarding sex before marriage it is not going to end well for at least one of them!
Yes there is a lot of bad dating and marriage advice out there coming from Christians, and again, it is mostly women who are in the forefront of this sort of thing. This video is a prime example. Frankly I find the young woman's voice and attitude rather creepy; she seems to be inappropriately giddy. It makes you wonder exactly how wonderful her married life really is. And will she be, twenty, thirty, forty-some years from now, the kind of woman who tells women like myself, "You don't know how well off you are not being married. My husband hasn't had sex with me for twenty years" or some other inappropriate comment.
I remember one woman who was in the same Bible study as me who had some kind of breakdown one night and was almost in hysterics. I am not quite sure what it was all about but I do know the week before when she and I were in the restroom together talking about marriage and I mentioned how lonely being single can be at times especially with no one to share my bed with she said that being married was no guarantee of happiness or not being lonely or even having sex! She said she and her husband hadn't had sex almost right from the start of their marriage, which blew me away as this was the second marriage for both of them. I didn't know her husband all that well but he struck me as a rather controlling person. The night she broke down in tears he quickly removed her from the room and did not come back for the rest of the night. The next week she was back to her "old" calm self with not a hint of what had happened prior. I remember thinking, WTF happened behind closed doors with those two? And was I somehow responsible, just by reminding her of what could have been?
I knew my wife as a teenager but we hated other, we both left town and didn’t talk for few years and eventually came back together. We both recognized the honesty and strength of character in each other and although we butted heads when we were younger, we each separately made better versions of ourselves.
Good story, right? But There’s actually another girl from the old town that I didn’t talk to for years and got back in touch with at the same time as my wife, and if that other girl and I had worked out then I could look back and find a story about how we were obviously meant to be all along. People love telling stories, and love thinking that they found the one unique path to success (or finding an enemy to blame for lack of success)
Hey Brandon, thank you for this video.
Contrary to what church told the youth in my church and even I preached it at some point; god really doesn't PICK someone for you. That is our job as independent thinkers to pick our partner/spouse for us!
When my marriage failed (We met at church and dated 5 years, I kept my promise to marry her even after I was gunned down in my country and survived... but then stared suffering from ptsd and all... she left after 6 months of marriage)
You can imagine the comments people and especially the christian people in my friend's circle told me, lol, their greatest hits "you chose outside of god's will", "you sinned before marriage", etc, etc.
Now that she left (i married her in Aug 2017, we moved together to the US to start a new life, but she left in Sept 2017) I quickly filed a divorce through my lawyer in my country and well, my recovery has been going just fine!
Personally I stopped thinking that 'god' did this and that this is his will. I just think of it as "it's a good thing that she left back then and not now; 5 years later. it would've been harder because we would have definitely had kids by now"
Keep up your vids, dude! they're great!
Thank you so much!
Thank you!!!! 👏 👏 👏 👏
Now when I hear "let's go Brandon" I think of this channel.
apostle paul was considering this sort when he proclaimed "under NO circumstances should a man EVER get married!"
Damn, I love that preview! Great video!
Thanks so much!
Vicki would be great at hiding easter eggs,lol
My mom stuck around in her 2nd marriage for years.. dude abusing her and robbing her and isolating her from friends n family all because she was afraid that if she divorced twice god would basically beat her up forever.. however she got some of that because she stayed for her god =/ wild guilt trip
Thats just so sad to hear. 100% unnecessary
I want to take this seriously but the buzzer got me dying 😂😂😂😂
Lol!! Thanks for watching
That was a lot of buzzing. Loving it. Great respons to this video. I would like to see more of this. Keep it up. You are doing just grear.
Appreciate that. Thanks so much!
Keep nailing it Brandon!
Thanks, man!
How do these people have such confidence in making baseless claims and stating them as fact? You're not even guaranteed to wake up the next day and yet they're over here asserting that they *know* how things are going to be.
Brandon, the buzzer idea is a great one! You should incorporate it into more of your videos. Whenever someone says some B.S. they get a buzz
Ha! I liked it too but many found it quite annoying lol
I'm learning so much from your reasoning. Keep on keeping it real
Thats great to hear! thank you
Christian logic is wildddd
I am so glad I found you and I started to follow you not too long ago, I like how crystal clear you make your points and I agree with many of them, I would love to hear you debate someone, if you have done, please let me know where I can find the videos. Thank you so much for your time and great info.
So very kind. Thanks for the positive feedback! No real debates yet, but I did have a long discussion with Catholic Apologist Trent Horn. you can just search MindShift Trent Horn.
My 1st ex tried to stab me in the back with a knife and my mother saw it and yelled at me to look out. Then later let me go home with him. Later he tried choking me in my sleep. Another time he punched me in the leg, and it's 17yrs since that incident, and I still have a knot on my leg to this day. I fully believe that if I had stayed with him, I would most likely be dead now. I had a hard time with finally going through with the divorce. I researched every biblical reason someone could get divorced, and I waited until every single one was fulfilled before filing for divorce. It was also my mother and the church that pressured me into marrying him, because we had gotten pregnant.
Got to love it when Christians take out random quotes out of the Bible and make it fit their personal narratives.
I knew a girl who is convinced god told her to marry this one guy. The guy dosent even like her and he had to block her. She feels like the guy is fighting against god and she went as far as referring to herself as Mrs. So and so. A bit of an extreme cause but I feel for her
My initial reaction to this girl is...how much coffee or Red Bull did she drink before recording? Holy Hannah!
Thanks!
So very kind! Thanks for this support!
Praise the holy buzzer!
Ha!
I know this is a month ago, but I wanted to say that I LOVE your desire to let clips play out longer, rather than this interruption addiction most critiques incorporate. However, really think the buzzer was a no from me on how to avoid this. Extremely hard for me to listen to what they are saying over a jeapordy buzzer.
Thanks for watching and the feedback
Another very interesting video. Honestly I've never seen a video quite like the one Victoria produced that made so many incredible claims regarding what god will do for the lives of he believer. Is this part of the prosperity gospel shtick I have heard about? Anyway, just a quick note of thanks for the amazing response that hopefully sets better expectations.. Thanks for everything you do!
100%! The prosperity gospel ideas. Thanks so much, friend!
I guess she's yelling because she wants to drown out that little voice in her head telling her that something isn't right.
LOL
The Buzzer format works really well. Such a simple idea and it is effective. Instead of having to endure the didactic diatribe delivered in chunks throughout the whole run time, we hear her inane ramblings once. It is like ripping off a plaster.
Wow.... if I didn't understand English and I heard her rambling on like this, I'd be thinking she tried to sell fish at the market or something. So glad you broke in whenever you did.
ha, thanks for watching!
"let me read to you"... oh let me snore
Why would god have a plan? People make plans because they don't know the outcome.
God has some really nice plans for her! Too bad god has really awful terrible plans for his most devoted followers in Haiti. How do people believe this bullshit?
Right
I have to disagree on that one. You make a plan to _influence_ the outcome. Being omniscient doesn't remove the need for a plan, it just means that you know whether or not that plan will work before you even start working on it (which is still a huge problem for Christianity in a dozen different ways).
I could, for example, plan what meals I will have tomorrow, and then follow through on it when the time comes. Barring some untold disaster, I know before I start that my plan will work. And if I somehow knew with certainty that there wouldn't be a freakish disaster that day, that wouldn't somehow revoke the "plan" status from my idea.
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I agree omniscient doesn't remove the need for a plan afterall you have to follow what you know so that your wanted result occurs. BUT omnipotence does indeed remove the need of a plan.😉
A thought or a symbolical "snap of the finger" would result in what you want. I mean there is a reason why the idea of omnipotence is considered the ultimate power.
@@nezz0r That's very true. I didn't consider omnipotence at all due to the way the statement was worded, when I really should have.
As an aside, I like that we have corrections on top of corrections over on our side, instead of constant yes-men that agree with the most ridiculous of notions with no pushback. I like it better on our side, even if criticism can feel a little icky sometimes.
When i was in my early 20s and things were going well, I was pretty sure I knew the right answers to everything too. Then I met different people with different problems and then I had similar problems and it turns out, there’s not one right answer
but there are many wrong ones lol, and this is one of them, but yes i hear you!
Good breakdown. Victoria put me in the mind of Charles Stanley, he speaks so fast I don't have time to think about what he just said; he is on to the next pronouncement. Like he is afraid you will say, "Wait, what was that? Doesn't sound right". The info you stated about Christians seeking the will of god and then getting killed, dying of horrible disease is lamentable. "We asked for this in Jesus name" Oh my, I could cry.
Ill have to look up Stanley and thank you friend!
She's one of these "influencers" - people who know a little bit about something but have little real experience, and think they're qualified to tell others what to do. It's just hot air. And the narcissism involved in thinking every story and verse in the bible is about you, personally, is so self centered and ignorant. Me, me, me, it's all about me, all the time. My two sisters are still in fundamentalist churches and I feel sad for them that they put a period at the end of their life's journey so soon after the start and they're stuck with that one viewpoint. I prefer questions.
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This is an interesting topic that many skeptics and Christians ignore, and I’m glad you brought it up. There are a lot of verses in Isaiah (14:1-2; 19:2, 4, 14, 16; 24:1-3; 49:23; 60:12, 16; 61:5-6; 66: 24 and others) that seem to point to yet-to-be-fulfilled prophecies about the end times where the gentiles are either servants/slaves, Jewish converts, or exterminated.
It would be great if you could dive into this in your upcoming Sunday Bible study of Isaiah, or perhaps host someone on the show to discuss it!
While I am no longer married, during the 9 years that I was, I learned invaluable skills for communication about contrasting beliefs, & finding compromise between very different personalities that I could not have learned any other way.
6:45 thank you for saying "and men"
I stuck around about 8 years too long because I wanted to follow my parents example, so I can only imagine how bad things must be for a couple both emulating their parents & obeying their faith before they would separate.
For sure. Men are often under repped in marital abuse and purity culture trauma
Humans want meaning in life so bad. We cling to a hope that if we just try hard enough god will make things better or show us a way. So much emotional and physical freedom is gained when one let’s go of myths and accepts one’s life as theirs.
Thank u for sharing this, like humans want to understand everything about life. We can't we just accept our life and make the best of it.
If God is responsible for hooking up couples it's funny how he seems to favor the beautiful people.
I'm so glad I didn't get married as a Christian (still single), because I am sure I would get a lot of advice like her's, but I do think that it would sound a bit different. The way she phrased things, it sounded a bit like the "prosperity gospel," however, I think if we were to talk to her, she would say that she doesn't believe in the "prosperity gospel."
Same here. I dodged so many bullets...Yikes!
Thats interesting. I think you’re probably right.
If prosperity gospel was Biblically accurate then the apostle Paul would have been the Bill Gates of his time. Pretty clear the Bible does not teach the prosperity gospel. But a large number of "churches" do, and that's scary. No wonder atheism is rising if that's what they're seeing at church.
Lady ! The microphone is right there in front of you. Let it do some of the work. I'm sending you my audiologist bill.