Thank you for the follow up video! I have been experimenting myself. I have the Vans verse size 8.5. My foot is measured 8.5 Mongo. I have narrow ankles and small feet. The stock vans liner is awful like you said. I talked to intuition and I purchased the new downhill tongue dual density 15mm from there recommendations. I am using the Remind insoles Cush Insole, 8.5 and 5.5mm thickness. I went with the thick liner to really take up volume in the shell I had the shop heat mold them for me, Initially they felt comfortable and supportive but I had to really crank down the shell for the shell to not only sit correctly against the liner but to feel tight against my foot. Well I thought the shop didn't tighten them enough during the heat molding process. Sooo, I got creative. I went onto there website and saw that they heat them to 230ish degrees Fahrenheit for around ten minutes. I ended up taking the liners out, and placed onto a wood cutting board. Oven set to 210 degrees for 11 minutes, inserted my insoles and put the liners on my feet. Just like the shop did. With a sock and toe cap on. Then I put them into the shells and made sure to really tighten the shells down to where they would have fit from the factory , with no space between the shell and the tongue. Well all went well and I feel like they fit more correctly. I just did this an hour ago so obviously I need to go snowboard on them but I'm very hopeful. The Liners have compressed noticeably more under the tongue and the tongue of the shell fits together with the shell like it is supposed too, Before it was getting hung up on the liners.
hey i have pain on the top of my feet (instep i think it is called) because my inner boots laces are tight on my instep, if i do them more loose my boot feels too irresponsive. do you have tips (i cant loosen the part on my instep specifically and my outer boots are boa boots but i dont thinks they are a cause of my issue.
@@jorik.v1267 I'd go find a superfeet dealer/store. They have several instep supports for all kinds of feet. You get that "under foot arch" fully supported so when you tighten down you 'bindings you not collapsing your arch, its just stabilizing your foot-boot combo. Pain in the top of the foot is more rare, but many muscles are used to maintain foot arch. As you tighten your bindings, it all needs to be a" perfectly supported sandwich" from straps to board. You get that right, you'll be stoked. good luck
Thanks to your videos Im going to give the Downhill Tongue HD Intuitions a shot to see if I can stretch an extra season out of my boots. I was just about to order the wrap style when I luckily found your video. So thank you for saving me some coin. It's really great seeing an old school shredder putting out videos like this. Boot tech has gotten miles better from when I started in 92', but this obsession with out of the box comfort is a massive step backwards for longevity and performance for people who ride more than 10 days year. So funny you mentioned the OG Burton Freestyles with those rubber neoprene bladders in them. They weren't perfect but they'd outlive the shell by many season. I can't even squeeze a 50 day season out of any boot these days before their flex profile is totally shot and this is mostly due to the sub-par liners every manufacturer is using now. If there's one thing I loved about the Vans it's those tongue stiffeners that you can swap to revive the rebound in the tongue. Every manufacturer should be offering that. I found the Verse had better heel hold than the Infuse. The Infuse I could never get just right with the BOA, I think they just have a lot more volume in the ankle areas. The Verse is a bit narrower and they break in nicely after about 20-30 days to where they have a similar flex to the Infuse when new. I've resorted to buying left over Burton SLXs every other season for the articulated cuff (which is something else I think every boot should have) and because they just happen to fit my feet. They also have a posted heel of like 7mm for that extra leverage you're talking about on heel side turns to get that power down. With an aftermarket insole I can drop down a mondo size. I measure 10.5 but fit a broken-in 9.5 after about 10 days riding to stretch the shell for a perfect fit. Those first 10 days are pretty brutal though. I've been through every insole on the market, including the FP's, and finally landed on the Remind insoles. They have a beefed up hard plastic layer along the entire length of the bottom that can be shaved in spots to adjust for volume where ever it's needed along with any underfoot hot spots. Highly recommend those if the Superfeet don't work out for any reason. And not sure if you heard but T. Rice is working with Union to start a boot lineup. They just announced, so no idea on when they plan to bring to enter the market. Hopefully they'll go the route of offering quality replacement liners and removable stiffeners with a quality shell that lasts multiple seasons.
Rad! Yeah, there is so much stuff out there trying to figure out what works is like walking into a music store with a plan, then suddenly your mind is a blank. Be curious what happens with union boots. I’d bet my money on they’ll be Northwave boots rebranded for north America? Yew!
Thank you for the follow up video! I have been experimenting myself. I have the Vans verse size 8.5. My foot is measured 8.5 Mongo. I have narrow ankles and small feet. The stock vans liner is awful like you said. I talked to intuition and I purchased the new downhill tongue dual density 15mm from there recommendations. I am using the Remind insoles Cush Insole, 8.5 and 5.5mm thickness. I went with the thick liner to really take up volume in the shell
I had the shop heat mold them for me, Initially they felt comfortable and supportive but I had to really crank down the shell for the shell to not only sit correctly against the liner but to feel tight against my foot. Well I thought the shop didn't tighten them enough during the heat molding process. Sooo, I got creative. I went onto there website and saw that they heat them to 230ish degrees Fahrenheit for around ten minutes. I ended up taking the liners out, and placed onto a wood cutting board. Oven set to 210 degrees for 11 minutes, inserted my insoles and put the liners on my feet. Just like the shop did. With a sock and toe cap on. Then I put them into the shells and made sure to really tighten the shells down to where they would have fit from the factory , with no space between the shell and the tongue. Well all went well and I feel like they fit more correctly. I just did this an hour ago so obviously I need to go snowboard on them but I'm very hopeful.
The Liners have compressed noticeably more under the tongue and the tongue of the shell fits together with the shell like it is supposed too, Before it was getting hung up on the liners.
Sounds like you’re getting it handled. I though more temp might have helped me as well but alas I simple got them too small. Meh. Good luck !
@wannagoforarip3131 yah I hope it works out. I'm tired of being uncomfortable. What liners did you go with? I missed it
hey i have pain on the top of my feet (instep i think it is called) because my inner boots laces are tight on my instep, if i do them more loose my boot feels too irresponsive. do you have tips (i cant loosen the part on my instep specifically and my outer boots are boa boots but i dont thinks they are a cause of my issue.
my feet have pretty high arch so my instep is a lil higher also, could insoles help maybe?
@@jorik.v1267 I'd go find a superfeet dealer/store. They have several instep supports for all kinds of feet. You get that "under foot arch" fully supported so when you tighten down you 'bindings you not collapsing your arch, its just stabilizing your foot-boot combo. Pain in the top of the foot is more rare, but many muscles are used to maintain foot arch. As you tighten your bindings, it all needs to be a" perfectly supported sandwich" from straps to board. You get that right, you'll be stoked. good luck
Thanks to your videos Im going to give the Downhill Tongue HD Intuitions a shot to see if I can stretch an extra season out of my boots. I was just about to order the wrap style when I luckily found your video. So thank you for saving me some coin.
It's really great seeing an old school shredder putting out videos like this. Boot tech has gotten miles better from when I started in 92', but this obsession with out of the box comfort is a massive step backwards for longevity and performance for people who ride more than 10 days year. So funny you mentioned the OG Burton Freestyles with those rubber neoprene bladders in them. They weren't perfect but they'd outlive the shell by many season. I can't even squeeze a 50 day season out of any boot these days before their flex profile is totally shot and this is mostly due to the sub-par liners every manufacturer is using now. If there's one thing I loved about the Vans it's those tongue stiffeners that you can swap to revive the rebound in the tongue. Every manufacturer should be offering that. I found the Verse had better heel hold than the Infuse. The Infuse I could never get just right with the BOA, I think they just have a lot more volume in the ankle areas. The Verse is a bit narrower and they break in nicely after about 20-30 days to where they have a similar flex to the Infuse when new.
I've resorted to buying left over Burton SLXs every other season for the articulated cuff (which is something else I think every boot should have) and because they just happen to fit my feet. They also have a posted heel of like 7mm for that extra leverage you're talking about on heel side turns to get that power down. With an aftermarket insole I can drop down a mondo size. I measure 10.5 but fit a broken-in 9.5 after about 10 days riding to stretch the shell for a perfect fit. Those first 10 days are pretty brutal though. I've been through every insole on the market, including the FP's, and finally landed on the Remind insoles. They have a beefed up hard plastic layer along the entire length of the bottom that can be shaved in spots to adjust for volume where ever it's needed along with any underfoot hot spots. Highly recommend those if the Superfeet don't work out for any reason.
And not sure if you heard but T. Rice is working with Union to start a boot lineup. They just announced, so no idea on when they plan to bring to enter the market. Hopefully they'll go the route of offering quality replacement liners and removable stiffeners with a quality shell that lasts multiple seasons.
Rad! Yeah, there is so much stuff out there trying to figure out what works is like walking into a music store with a plan, then suddenly your mind is a blank.
Be curious what happens with union boots. I’d bet my money on they’ll be Northwave boots rebranded for north America?
Yew!