She looked at the evidence, changed her mind, AND corrected what she had put out so others would not be harmed by the misinformation? It's like she's an actual scientist or something.
6:19 I think it's more accurate to say "Young Earth Creationists are stuck between a rock and a wet place" 🤣 (updated for accuracy - Erika already told us to be mindful of the difference 🤦♂ that was my bad)
Erika owning up to and correcting her mistakes is part of what makes this channel so good. Come on, my fellow gentle and very modern apes, let's reward the good behavior with views and likes.
it's called intellectual honesty, if she didn't it's fuel for someone wanting to discredit her. This shouldn't be commendable behavior it should be EXPECTED, that we live in an era like this is more telling of ourselves than anything. Being right for the sake of being right (while wrong), I have a "christian" friend that loves to bring up how stupid evolution is, her proof "it's stoopid" lol.
@@timothymulholland7905 That's why human beings are 70% silicon. It's hard to get this word out with evolutionists constantly claiming we're a carbon-based form of life.
It’s honestly a bummer that he’s NOT a creationist because I remember thinking, “Huh, a creationist that is willing to acknowledge problems and admit that they don’t have the answer.” I was genuinely impressed, and it made me question my bias against creationists. But of course, he’s not even a creationist, so I still have yet to find a competent and reasonable YEC.
No. Mud is a substance that is formed rather quickly. Without it occurring naturally from grass development, I wouldn’t need to edge my yard or use the grass I edge out to have enough dirt to fill up the sinkhole.
Commitment to honesty and accountability!? Concise offerings of factual information? The low-key sass of a person with the brains to back it up!? I'm here for it.
@adrianpintea9675 The kicker is how much ground they've ceded over the years, as it has become more and more difficult to find ignorance holes to claim victory from. The rapidity with which the prototype "kinds" would have to evolve, to produce the diversity we currently see, in uh 4000ish years, is comically absurd. It's as gloriously stupid as the idea that the entirety of the planet's tectonic activity over billions of years, that results in the current lay of continents and mountain ranges, we have today, happened within a single year.
I've still never gotten an answer as to how the "kinds" held all their genetic variation in until after the Flood, so Noah could take those basic kinds on board. Except the dinosaur kinds, apparently, who diversified tremendously to have so many species in ~1000 years since creation.
@@makeshift_quill I know! I know! There were many types of animals back then, just like there are now, and Noah just took a wolf-looking "dog-kind", a medium-sized "cat-kind", and so on with him. That makes the animal population on the ark about 50 animals at most. Then they all diversified again after they landed because Gawd did it.. See? I can be a koo-koo too. lol
@@makeshift_quillApparently Adam managed to name all the animals kinds. But that would mean that could not have been any new kinds. It is also interesting that when describing the behemoth and the dragon to Jobs, they use description of the animals and not the name assigned by Adam. It is almost like they are describing a mythical creature!
On the focus on Labrador, there’s a burial site - L’Anse Amour - in the Straits of Labrador dated to 7,500 years before present. A small cairn for a child containing their remains, a walrus tusk, a harpoon head, paint stones, and a bone whistle. It overlooks the Straits, the sea where this child’s family hunted and fished and lived and loved. And lost their little one.
As someone who has had the misfortune to bury my child, I can understand the feeling of those who put their energy into that grave. Damn, sometimes life sucks. 😢
@@DaveB-hg7el As another who has had to bury my child, I agree! Burying your child rips holes in your heart that never heal! After almost 30 years, it still brings tears... Thanks for sharing.
@@wrekced that's a tragedy I can't begin to imagine. I know this is a science channel but I believe you will see him again one day. I lost a brother before I was born and somehow I've always missed him. I hope I'll see him again one day too.
I was a young earth creationist until my late 20s. Homeschooled and lied to all my life, but luckily my desire for my "beliefs" to be true outweighed my fear of some deity torturing me. Now in my 40s I'm convinced there are only two types of young earth creationists; the liars, or the gullible. There is no way anybody can be a young earth creationist and spend any time at all testing their beliefs.
@AaronParker1977 It is awesome that you have worked to educate yourself out of your indoctrination. I have an immense sympathy for anyone indoctrinated into religion as a child. Period. I consider it abuse - On the part of the institutions who continue to push out propaganda, using blatantly manipulative theological rhetoric, and misrepresentations of reality, wrapped in toxic messages encouraging 'othering' of anyone not affirming the 'truth' of their specific cult's interpretation of scripture. I also have an immense amount of respect for anyone who, having doubts of some kind, sets out on n an intellectually honest mission to find out what is true, in spite of their genuine fears, or terror, even, if Hell was invoked to reprimand, and prevent them questioning what they were taught to believe. I can't pretend to know what it's like to go through, but I imagine that it has to be very difficult to say the least, and emotionally overwhelming at times. (I know a lot of factors go into that, but still) And I agree wholeheartedly, with your closing statement, particularly as it pertains to the institutes/ organizations that spew this toxic sludge onto the masses. The fact that it is literally refuted by _all_ of examinable reality, means that they are being _very intentional_ in so consistently misrepresenting it.
Polonium halos in granite absolutely proves fiat creation. The half life of polonium is fleeting, and thus "4.5 billion years of slow cooling" precludes polonium halos in granite. By a PhD physicist th-cam.com/video/CSkAXm2dwvo/w-d-xo.html Summarized by an 11 year old boy th-cam.com/video/nOHxK-LLfII/w-d-xo.html You're too funny!
It's a big ask to get someone to test their beliefs, when the evidence might turn their whole world upside down. But the Bible itself says that righteous people test the scriptures, priests, and scribes, because sometimes they lie. I'm an atheist, just mentioning what the Bible says, because it's such a good point.
im sorry your youth was stolen from you. there is so much practical good that the world needs that is denied and resisted by magical thinking and creationism in particular. just look at gaza for the ultimate conclusion of beliefs rooted in mysticism & zealously followed. that's how we get things like zionism and manifest destiny.
"Mud" is such a great word. Someone really got that one right. "Sky" is another good one. Don't know about "vanilla" or "mule". I think these could be better. But "mud" is spot on.
Nah god made the universe last Thursday with all the oil, coal, fossils, civilisation, light from distant stars, your memories etc etc all in place. I think some YECs used to go with the Russians oil from non-biological materials
@@glenecollins ultimately no argument rooted in logic can be applied because the system of thought is based on magical exceptionalism and arbitrary rule making. these ideas aren't grounded in rationality & therefore cannot meaningfully be addressed in rational terms. that's where every conversation has to start. we agree that creationism is totally made up & there's no defending or explaining it.
@@kylezo it is miraculous exceptionalism you will turn off the brain of any creationist (and apparently hurt God’s feels) calling it magic. There are people including Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind who try to show that god managed to make a
This is one of the big differences between science and dogma, when science gets something wrong, it is not dismissed or justified, it is acknowledged and corrected.
"I really should have known, because the paper that he posted in the Creationist Journal was extremely well written, and very candid"... I am remembering a "center aligned" paper by a certain "Raw Matt" that was discussed in a recent livestream... as a point of comparison between more typical creationists, and non-creationist Scott Dunn...
Once it goes into non-science its not really worth arguing. God is inherently a metaphysical concept, science isnt MEANT to prove or disprove that kind of thing.
@@somethinginthepinesYes, science is about the natural world, and the deity of the xtians is a supernatural claim. I've heard many of them say this, but then say we still have to believe in their claim. I'm not sure how much logic they accept in their world view. 😊
Watching it again so you still get the view (plus tbh I can benefit from watching it again and understanding it better as I was distracted the first time)
why yes, i will happily let erika fill my ear holes again :3 honestly, i think my favorite argument against young earth creationism is actually an anthropological one. we several completely disconnected myths about seven sisters, referencing a group of seven stars; except if you look for them today there only appear to be six. that’s because two of them got so close together from our perspective, they appear to just be one star, and likewise, the ancient myths all have one of the sisters disappearing for some reason. therefore, it makes sense to conclude that the stories were around for so long that they originated when you could see all seven, which is much longer than 6,000 years ago
Y'know, when Scott Dunn was honest and seemingly willing to consider the need for a different model and further research, we should have guessed he wasn't a YEC.
@@justice8718 How do you know? And how do you know the God won't compliment him, for thinking for himself instead of blindly accepting what priests etc. claim?
i appreciate sci communicators like you - I don't have the time or attention span to be reading scientific papers and I enjoy keeping up to date. you reuploading to correct yourself re: the author here is just another sign that you're a good source for me to funnel into my earholes while I do spreadsheets, I can think of several other yt science communicators who have been the cause of spreading misunderstanding so I appreciate it and I hope losing the views doesn't hurt the channel too much
I don't believe I've commented on one of your videos yet, but this demonstration of humility, integrity, and commitment to truth is just so incredibly refreshing. You have set a gold standard here for science and personal character. 👏
That's because god would have to be wrong, And god needs a lot of defending from fallible humans Against the realities of the natural world he supposedly created.😊
@@uncleanunicorn4571 God never said the earth was 6,000 years old. I'm an atheist, but I wasn't always, and I've read the Bible a bunch of times. I didn't find anything about that in the whole book, and I was searching very carefully.
Putting up a comment for the Algorithm gods! Good on you for having integrity, being understanding, and being quite considerate no matter the situation! Here's to many more videos!
Comment for your algorithm. Rewatch because I watch most of your videos several times. I quilt, and your stuff is wonderful for engaging my mind while my hands are busy.
Favorite preclusionary argument: light from stars are redshifted by the maximum speed of light (which is found by testing laws of electromagnetism) and the distance for light to travel takes millions upon millions of years for the stars to even get to use, not just form. It relies upon the speed of light being constant and that hydrogen gives out a specific frequency (which is easily able to be measured in science labs today!)
I appreciate how willing you are to own up to and correct your mistakes. Not enough people can put aside their pride to do so. Definitely one of the best science communication channels on TH-cam.
Dug my comment up from the old video. Proboscideans are my favorite YEC preclusion. Due to their gestational periods, the fact that twins are EXTREMELY rare, and food requirements, you'd need a hyper-mega caffeinated form of evolution that would result in one of the parents birthing at least TWO NEW SPECIES over their lifetime! And that says nothing about getting them to the population levels we know they've had.
Ooo! Ooo! Gutsick Gibbon! I have a favourite preclusion from the geology community! Pegmatite! Bodies of rock that cooled exceptionally slowly resulting in very large grain size considering they formed from a cooling magma. This _cannot happen quickly!_
@@thirstfast1025 and diamonds can't form quickly because they need to travel from the mantle to the surface in 8 hours, not substantially faster or slower or you get microscopic diamond dust rather than whole rocks, or graphite, respectively.
@@cosmictreason2242 Impact diamonds form in split-seconds... _BUT_ Terrestrial diamond formation/transportation is a fantastic rabbit hole to chase flat-earthers down! LOL! Cheers!
Here's a rewatch, comment, and like for doing the right thing. New to the channel and loving it! I've been getting recommended anti-religious content a fair bit lately and it's nice to have one that focuses on science over rehtoric as well as it not being the exclusive focus of the channel. (Not to disparage the channels I've seen, they seem good at least from what I have watched)
Please keep making this sort of thing. I know sometimes it must seem difficult or unrewarding. But you're doing a good job and it's worthwhile and helpful. The world needs people like you, it really does. I know you know. Keep it up :3 Also, bravo for making a correction when you made a mistake. Correcting your mistakes is the whole point of gaining knowledge. It's evidence that you're sincere.
Algorithm-based engagement for my favorite gentle and of course very modern ape and the commitment you show to honesty and accuracy every video and every correction to a video you make.
I just talked to some very devout Christians this morning and was reminded how everything that resembles a coincidence, irony, and anything unexplainable by their current level of education is evidence of the presence and direct action of God. Scientific inquiry doesn't even appear on the horizon of their world view, let alone earn actual consideration.
Gotta admire the integrity, but also the willingness to believe that a YEC could have written a well researched, competent, and candid paper. Erica believes they can do better and that hope/faith in them is nice to see too.
Magnificent video! As someone who has to lock horns with this crowd often (I work at a museum and specifically do a lot of public outreach), I've had to come loaded for bear against YECs. That means knowing a lot of the arguments they will make, but also how to counter it with objective facts and their own logic as they will selectively disclude certain sciences. Adding this one to the ammo. As for one argument I rather like to bring up, it is how *not* mixed the fossil record is. If they want to suppose dragons were dinosaurs, why haven't we found a single non-avian dinosaur bone amidst human made middens? Why thousands of Pleistocene animals, including hundreds of dire wolves alone, and not a single theropod tooth? Why do we have multiple Tyrannosaurus bite marks on Triceratops bones and not a one on a comparatively easier-to-hunt elephant? The fossil and archaeological record is incomplete, but there is still a huge amount of information out there.
As requested, favorite argument against YEC is magnetic striping on seafloors, It just makes so little sense to me that the rate of magnetic field switching would increase at roughly the same rate as the seafloor spreading during a hypothetical continental separation event.
@@MFCI_Orange magnetic striping is a slam dunk case for YEC. It's explained in Kurt Wise's "in depth explanation of the mechanism of Noah's flood." The orientation of the grains do not match the predictions of slow rock formation. They are very variable as would be expected from rock that's cooling while the field repeatedly flips in a short time span. Across millions of years, the differences pre andpost flip would be much sharper than what's observed.
@@cosmictreason2242 Creationism isn't a "new idea" at all. Creationism is religious superstition left over from thousands of years ago. In fact, creationism has been scientifically debunked and disguarded into the trash heap of bad superstitious ideas over 100 years ago. Creationism is right up there with flat earth, astrology, and magic potions. Fortunately we have modern science that has demonstrated evolution in countless ways. You can see the evidence for yourself at the many natural history museums around the globe.
@@SPierre-dm4wo our unicorns are being killed by humans, the rhinos. And one day mankind will convince themselves they never existed like the other creatures that died off here.
when I didn't think things could get any worse because of the heat problem, they just got worse (the mud problem) the heat problem + the mud problem = REALLY BIG PROBLEM (for YEC)
This reminds me of Bunnell Avenue, a huge upper level trunk passage in the Roppel Cave section of the Mammoth Cave System of Kentucky. A massive passage ends in calcite-covered breakdown (sparkling milky white and very pretty, but impenetrable). The pretty flowstone plug (still wet and active) goes from floor to ceiling and completely blocks this massive 5 to 10 meter high by 2 to 5 meter wide canyon. As you walk/crawl up the gentle slope of the calcite plug near the overall ceiling of the passage, up on the left side there's a place where a big tributary of the same original passage branches off. The regional dip (incline) of the Cumberland Plateau is very minor, about one degree. So in cave passage formation, you have little meanders in the path of a passage, even places where the passage becomes "braided", different levels diverging and then reconnecting a few tens of feet further. Same process by which surface rivers meander in their courses, only in the cave, all the older routes of the river are preserved as the upper levels of braided passages. So, looking at this little tributary, which isn't blocked by calcite, you think, what if it reconnects with the main passage but past the calcite plug? The calcite plug is massive, but its trickle-feed of water that deposits calcite is probably a point-like local structure, because of some local vertical crack that brings water in from the surface right there. Looking at the top of this little branch off to the side, you can see over the top of the ancient clay fill, the last sediment load the passage ever carried. You can see for tens of meters further until your light is lost in the gloom. The clay comes within maybe 20 cm of the ceiling. Less than a foot. It's way too low to belly crawl. But you're laying on a 1 meter thick clay bank. Why not just dig a trench in the clay until it's tall enough to crawl through? I asked if it was okay to try and dig a trench, and the leadership said, with a wink to each other, you go ahead and try it. So I did it, three separate trips with a crew digging a bit each time. What we found was, when you attack this with a camp shovel and a couple of paint scrapers to see if you can trench your way through, at first you can slice the clay into nice square "bricks" and drag them down the passage to dump. But pretty soon, with your body agitating the clay around you, it starts yielding up all this suspended moisture, and it all turns the consistency of chocolate frosting, and then honey. (Vocabulary word: thixotropy). Just a complete oily mess. Whatever digging I did up in the ceiling of Bunnell Avenue back then (1991), someone else can continue, I'm done. We probably advanced six to eight feet, and there might be hundreds to go. The oldest passages in Mammoth Cave are about 10,000,000 years old, and this might as well be one of them. It took time for that sediment to accumulate (see Gutsick video above), and even more for the passage to be finally abandoned as the upstream passages that supplied it broke through into lower levels, and left the mud load free to drain (albeit sitting on a very low gradient limestone floor), and slowly become clay.
Erika, I'm saying this as a joke, but it did happen. One of my co-workers when talking to our supervisor complained she was having trouble staying on top of things. His response was that she should get a taller chair. Now they were working on getting additional staff, so they were not unsympathetic to the situation.
I am very happy to see a creator I follow hold themselves accountable and apologize. It isn’t very common to see someone apologize for saying something that could have effects on someone’s reputation. Thank you for helping to set example for other creators.
I've always felt like she carries herself with more than enough professional grace to remain dignified no matter which goofball is giving her a hard time. Round of applause from me every time she uploads.
i love how you dont just talk like you're reading from a book. your little side comments and overall humor make this fun to watch. also i appreciate that you're out here educating people for free, and bringing attention to other great minds.
I have a photo of myself at Natural Bridges in Utah, taken by a fellow student while I attended geology field camp in 2005. Basically, it's hundreds of feet (vertical) of sandstone. There are small fossil shell fragments spread throughout, but basically it's all sandstone. This is not something you'll get from a single huge flood. Not really "the mud problem," but it's related.
@@cosmictreason2242 on the contrary, it's evidence against a single major flood. Think about it. It's all sandstone, for all practical purposes. Look at the remains after a small flood. You're not going to find sand accumulations covering that kind of surface area, let alone vertical depth. Think about the conditions required to produce *only* sandstone on the scale of Natural Bridges. Big flood, we should find particle sorting of similar scale in adjacent regions, but that is not what we observe
When I first started my college science courses, my devout Christian professor made it clear that all religion must be left at the classroom door. Religion and science will never go well together.
Something so critical to the hearts and minds aspect of this crusade: The scientists and scholars delving into the natural history of our planet are not doing it to disprove the existence of God.
The existence of God had never mattered to science since that's a question of metaphysics and that's in the realm of philosophy. However YECs have to pretend that this is about the existence of God in order to scare their followers into believing their bullshit. Ironically though by tying the existence of God to simple scientific fact they're probably turning a ton of people atheist when they discover they've been lied to by their church. That's probably why the US has one of the fastest growing atheist populations in the world.
I love seeing a decent-sized TH-camr acting with honesty. I also enjoy having GG videos in the background of whatever it is I'm doing. Happy to half-listen to this again(?)
As a physics person, nobody knows intuitively how big a joule is. (It's roughly the amount of energy required to raise an apple from the ground up to a table. Or to heat up a milliliter of water by a quarter of a degree. Neither of those is very useful for judging the heat problem.)
That's why it looks familiar. I'm going to let this play because integrity should be encouraged. And it also never hurts to watch an informative video twice.
Great job correcting the record! Massive amount of respect ❤ Although it would be great if we could stop using terms like "missinformation" on account of those terms being pushed most heavily by the III Reich Propoganda machine. 😁
She looked at the evidence, changed her mind, AND corrected what she had put out so others would not be harmed by the misinformation? It's like she's an actual scientist or something.
And an intellectual honest individual, 😊, damn
Wow, crazy, no way???!!!
...like an honest, Honorable person in ANY Ptofession...
Ironically this is the critique that YEC have about science. As if it’s not a feature
@@yoeyyoey8937 YEC can never admit that they are making up sh*t. Apparently their science is based on mythology and will remain there.
Literally rewatching this because Erika doesn't deserve a viewer slap for having the best integrity on YT.
6:19 I think it's more accurate to say "Young Earth Creationists are stuck between a rock and a wet place" 🤣 (updated for accuracy - Erika already told us to be mindful of the difference 🤦♂ that was my bad)
Same.
Agree
What integrity?
@@frankhuggins9733 the fact that she made a mistake and is owning and correcting the information she put out pertaining to it.
Erika owning up to and correcting her mistakes is part of what makes this channel so good. Come on, my fellow gentle and very modern apes, let's reward the good behavior with views and likes.
Agreed! Much love to Erika!
yep, something YEC won't do
it's called intellectual honesty, if she didn't it's fuel for someone wanting to discredit her. This shouldn't be commendable behavior it should be EXPECTED, that we live in an era like this is more telling of ourselves than anything. Being right for the sake of being right (while wrong), I have a "christian" friend that loves to bring up how stupid evolution is, her proof "it's stoopid" lol.
Totally agree. We all make mistakes, nothing wrong with that. Admitting a mistake is always the best thing to do and will get you more respect.
As a proper scientist should.
Erika admitting mistake and immediately fixing 👏👏👏
But we were made of clay!
@@timothymulholland7905 That's why human beings are 70% silicon. It's hard to get this word out with evolutionists constantly claiming we're a carbon-based form of life.
@@thebookofclyde1822maybe you mistook your comment to mean water? As the average human only has 1-2g of SI (silicon) in the body
@@thebookofclyde1822 ... and 5.7% alumium, the metal isolated from alum, which is 5.7% alumium.
@@ianchenofficial It was a joke about clay. Bibbling nonsense says humans were made from clay, which is Earth crust, which is 27.7% silicon.
It’s honestly a bummer that he’s NOT a creationist because I remember thinking, “Huh, a creationist that is willing to acknowledge problems and admit that they don’t have the answer.” I was genuinely impressed, and it made me question my bias against creationists. But of course, he’s not even a creationist, so I still have yet to find a competent and reasonable YEC.
Yeah, it was oddly almost a point in the guy's favor.
You can find honest creationists, but honest YEC? I'm not optimistic.
It's because every creationist who is concerned with the truth will eventually come to the conclusion that creationism is wrong.
I try to still be positive in acknowledging that at least a yec journal allowed a non yec to publish!
@@Maryum.Batool 100% good point
Caught between mud and a hot place...
Completely different physics that converge on an old earth.
Love playing with words 💕
No. Mud is a substance that is formed rather quickly. Without it occurring naturally from grass development, I wouldn’t need to edge my yard or use the grass I edge out to have enough dirt to fill up the sinkhole.
Commitment to honesty and accountability!? Concise offerings of factual information? The low-key sass of a person with the brains to back it up!?
I'm here for it.
I would not call her concise. Comprehensive is more correct, in my opinion.
@@neil2796 I'll allow it!
@@neil2796-- Seconded. Erika is an ape of many talents, but concision is not one of them!
I like how they use evolution to explain the variety of life after the flood, while contradicting everything we know about it.
@adrianpintea9675
The kicker is how much ground they've ceded over the years, as it has become more and more difficult to find ignorance holes to claim victory from.
The rapidity with which the prototype "kinds" would have to evolve, to produce the diversity we currently see, in uh 4000ish years, is comically absurd.
It's as gloriously stupid as the idea that the entirety of the planet's tectonic activity over billions of years, that results in the current lay of continents and mountain ranges, we have today, happened within a single year.
I've still never gotten an answer as to how the "kinds" held all their genetic variation in until after the Flood, so Noah could take those basic kinds on board.
Except the dinosaur kinds, apparently, who diversified tremendously to have so many species in ~1000 years since creation.
@@makeshift_quill I know! I know! There were many types of animals back then, just like there are now, and Noah just took a wolf-looking "dog-kind", a medium-sized "cat-kind", and so on with him. That makes the animal population on the ark about 50 animals at most. Then they all diversified again after they landed because Gawd did it..
See? I can be a koo-koo too. lol
@@makeshift_quillApparently Adam managed to name all the animals kinds. But that would mean that could not have been any new kinds.
It is also interesting that when describing the behemoth and the dragon to Jobs, they use description of the animals and not the name assigned by Adam. It is almost like they are describing a mythical creature!
@@patelk464 Mankind and angels are based on one kind of being.
On the focus on Labrador, there’s a burial site - L’Anse Amour - in the Straits of Labrador dated to 7,500 years before present.
A small cairn for a child containing their remains, a walrus tusk, a harpoon head, paint stones, and a bone whistle.
It overlooks the Straits, the sea where this child’s family hunted and fished and lived and loved. And lost their little one.
As someone who has had the misfortune to bury my child, I can understand the feeling of those who put their energy into that grave. Damn, sometimes life sucks. 😢
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@@DaveB-hg7el As another who has had to bury my child, I agree! Burying your child rips holes in your heart that never heal! After almost 30 years, it still brings tears... Thanks for sharing.
@@wrekced that's a tragedy I can't begin to imagine. I know this is a science channel but I believe you will see him again one day. I lost a brother before I was born and somehow I've always missed him. I hope I'll see him again one day too.
That's a beautiful thing. Thank you for sharing.
Upvoted for scientific rigor (as well as just enjoying the video)!
I was a young earth creationist until my late 20s. Homeschooled and lied to all my life, but luckily my desire for my "beliefs" to be true outweighed my fear of some deity torturing me. Now in my 40s I'm convinced there are only two types of young earth creationists; the liars, or the gullible. There is no way anybody can be a young earth creationist and spend any time at all testing their beliefs.
@AaronParker1977
It is awesome that you have worked to educate yourself out of your indoctrination.
I have an immense sympathy for anyone indoctrinated into religion as a child. Period. I consider it abuse - On the part of the institutions who continue to push out propaganda, using blatantly manipulative theological rhetoric, and misrepresentations of reality, wrapped in toxic messages encouraging 'othering' of anyone not affirming the 'truth' of their specific cult's interpretation of scripture.
I also have an immense amount of respect for anyone who, having doubts of some kind, sets out on n an intellectually honest mission to find out what is true, in spite of their genuine fears, or terror, even, if Hell was invoked to reprimand, and prevent them questioning what they were taught to believe.
I can't pretend to know what it's like to go through, but I imagine that it has to be very difficult to say the least, and emotionally overwhelming at times. (I know a lot of factors go into that, but still)
And I agree wholeheartedly, with your closing statement, particularly as it pertains to the institutes/ organizations that spew this toxic sludge onto the masses.
The fact that it is literally refuted by _all_ of examinable reality, means that they are being _very intentional_ in so consistently misrepresenting it.
Polonium halos in granite absolutely proves fiat creation. The half life of polonium is fleeting, and thus "4.5 billion years of slow cooling" precludes polonium halos in granite. By a PhD physicist th-cam.com/video/CSkAXm2dwvo/w-d-xo.html Summarized by an 11 year old boy th-cam.com/video/nOHxK-LLfII/w-d-xo.html You're too funny!
It's a big ask to get someone to test their beliefs, when the evidence might turn their whole world upside down. But the Bible itself says that righteous people test the scriptures, priests, and scribes, because sometimes they lie. I'm an atheist, just mentioning what the Bible says, because it's such a good point.
@@Sarcasticron i yhink iy says test the spirits, because satan can appear as an angel of light, it says
im sorry your youth was stolen from you. there is so much practical good that the world needs that is denied and resisted by magical thinking and creationism in particular. just look at gaza for the ultimate conclusion of beliefs rooted in mysticism & zealously followed. that's how we get things like zionism and manifest destiny.
"Mud" is such a great word. Someone really got that one right. "Sky" is another good one. Don't know about "vanilla" or "mule". I think these could be better. But "mud" is spot on.
I like this comment 🙏
litterbin. tinny. CARIBOU.
Crisp
@@kylezo Caribou GONE
For the algorithm: my favourite preclusionary YEC argument is the existence of the oil & gas industry
Nah god made the universe last Thursday with all the oil, coal, fossils, civilisation, light from distant stars, your memories etc etc all in place.
I think some YECs used to go with the Russians oil from non-biological materials
@@glenecollins ultimately no argument rooted in logic can be applied because the system of thought is based on magical exceptionalism and arbitrary rule making. these ideas aren't grounded in rationality & therefore cannot meaningfully be addressed in rational terms. that's where every conversation has to start. we agree that creationism is totally made up & there's no defending or explaining it.
@@kylezo it is miraculous exceptionalism you will turn off the brain of any creationist (and apparently hurt God’s feels) calling it magic.
There are people including Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind who try to show that god managed to make a
"...unstable parent to stable daughter..."
There's my sister-in-law's early life story, written in physics.
This is one of the big differences between science and dogma, when science gets something wrong, it is not dismissed or justified, it is acknowledged and corrected.
No matter how long it takes! 😊
We have the exact same problem. I get an unimaginable amount of dopamine from correcting misinformation.
_"You are technically correct.... the best kind of correct..."_ 😀
i get an unimaginable amount of dopamine from drinking a tablespoon of gasoline every tuesday
I have the negative version of that: I have severe allergic reactions to false statements.
Yaaaa
"I really should have known, because the paper that he posted in the Creationist Journal was extremely well written, and very candid"...
I am remembering a "center aligned" paper by a certain "Raw Matt" that was discussed in a recent livestream... as a point of comparison between more typical creationists, and non-creationist Scott Dunn...
It's such an uphill battle when the core of creationist logic is "God did it with magic."
at least regular creationists say it with their whole chest - YEC pretending to do science about it is what really gets me
The problem is that is their core but then they lie and say it's scientific, and lie about the evidence to pretend it all works together.
Once it goes into non-science its not really worth arguing. God is inherently a metaphysical concept, science isnt MEANT to prove or disprove that kind of thing.
@@somethinginthepinesYes, science is about the natural world, and the deity of the xtians is a supernatural claim. I've heard many of them say this, but then say we still have to believe in their claim. I'm not sure how much logic they accept in their world view. 😊
Not really. Laughter is the response and a demand for proofs that are acceptable to all, not just people with faulty wiring in their heads.
Watching it again so you still get the view (plus tbh I can benefit from watching it again and understanding it better as I was distracted the first time)
why yes, i will happily let erika fill my ear holes again :3
honestly, i think my favorite argument against young earth creationism is actually an anthropological one. we several completely disconnected myths about seven sisters, referencing a group of seven stars; except if you look for them today there only appear to be six. that’s because two of them got so close together from our perspective, they appear to just be one star, and likewise, the ancient myths all have one of the sisters disappearing for some reason. therefore, it makes sense to conclude that the stories were around for so long that they originated when you could see all seven, which is much longer than 6,000 years ago
So funny seeing the outro on double speed and a whimsical walk becomes a relaxed faced power walk lol
Y'know, when Scott Dunn was honest and seemingly willing to consider the need for a different model and further research, we should have guessed he wasn't a YEC.
I mean, I was going......this is a YEC? Really? How? He's tearing it asunder!
@@EricLS Then he meets God on Judgement Day.
@@justice8718 How do you know? And how do you know the God won't compliment him, for thinking for himself instead of blindly accepting what priests etc. claim?
See, by watching this again and commenting again on it, it's like I'm helping her channel twice as much
I appreciate the correction and the retraction.
I never knew about the mud problem, but it's delightful to me that there's something in science called 'the mud problem'
it's not in science, it's in creationist discourse which is unscientific by definition.
I always get a mud problem when the dogs come in from the garden
@@kylezo your comment is religious by definition
Thank you for doing this for him, it's definitely nice when someone actually cares about others.
Thanks for the correction and re-upload 😊
i appreciate sci communicators like you - I don't have the time or attention span to be reading scientific papers and I enjoy keeping up to date. you reuploading to correct yourself re: the author here is just another sign that you're a good source for me to funnel into my earholes while I do spreadsheets, I can think of several other yt science communicators who have been the cause of spreading misunderstanding so I appreciate it and I hope losing the views doesn't hurt the channel too much
I don't believe I've commented on one of your videos yet, but this demonstration of humility, integrity, and commitment to truth is just so incredibly refreshing. You have set a gold standard here for science and personal character. 👏
It’s nice to see people can admit when they are wrong. It’s too bad the real YeC can’t
That's because god would have to be wrong, And god needs a lot of defending from fallible humans Against the realities of the natural world he supposedly created.😊
@@uncleanunicorn4571Strange, innit? Almost like he was… i don’t know… made up…?
@@uncleanunicorn4571 that's because God doesn't exist. You have no evidence of a god existing or even potentially existing.
@@dogcarmanYes, lol 😊
@@uncleanunicorn4571 God never said the earth was 6,000 years old. I'm an atheist, but I wasn't always, and I've read the Bible a bunch of times. I didn't find anything about that in the whole book, and I was searching very carefully.
waiting for YEC to say that the mud problem is solved by the heat problem
@@Taylor-vh3zh there's no mud problem tho. This is old information and dunn doesn't deal with YEC research that addresses his position
LOVE this woman!!! She's THE best!!!
So happy to see corrections being made! And happy to re-watch
Putting up a comment for the Algorithm gods!
Good on you for having integrity, being understanding, and being quite considerate no matter the situation! Here's to many more videos!
Comment for your algorithm. Rewatch because I watch most of your videos several times. I quilt, and your stuff is wonderful for engaging my mind while my hands are busy.
As someone who worked nights for decades, it's also a soporific for me to sleep. Lol 😂
Favorite preclusionary argument: light from stars are redshifted by the maximum speed of light (which is found by testing laws of electromagnetism) and the distance for light to travel takes millions upon millions of years for the stars to even get to use, not just form. It relies upon the speed of light being constant and that hydrogen gives out a specific frequency (which is easily able to be measured in science labs today!)
This one is also my favorite!
@@umbreonic136 you literally did not argue that your observation precludes YEC. 💁♂️
@@cosmictreason2242 Exercise left to reader, find the time it takes for light to get to the Cetus constellation. Hint: use redshift of hydrogen :)
@@umbreonic136 you: my favorite argument is this observation
Me: that's just an observation
You: repeats observation
Me: ...
@@cosmictreason2242 Why would stating that it's an observation mean anything? You haven't made an argument you just said “it's that thing”.
I saw the old video but I’m here to learn what I missed the first time. Thanks for your work Erika!
Rewatching and interacting to boost the reupload :)
Would you fancy an argument to boost engagement?
@@mathdesm9306 Would you like a five minute argument or the full half hour?
I appreciate how willing you are to own up to and correct your mistakes. Not enough people can put aside their pride to do so. Definitely one of the best science communication channels on TH-cam.
Dutifully rewatching because you're both entertaining and for the algorithm. So cool you're doing the right thing.
Dug my comment up from the old video.
Proboscideans are my favorite YEC preclusion. Due to their gestational periods, the fact that twins are EXTREMELY rare, and food requirements, you'd need a hyper-mega caffeinated form of evolution that would result in one of the parents birthing at least TWO NEW SPECIES over their lifetime! And that says nothing about getting them to the population levels we know they've had.
Ooo! Ooo! Gutsick Gibbon! I have a favourite preclusion from the geology community! Pegmatite! Bodies of rock that cooled exceptionally slowly resulting in very large grain size considering they formed from a cooling magma. This _cannot happen quickly!_
@@thirstfast1025 and diamonds can't form quickly because they need to travel from the mantle to the surface in 8 hours, not substantially faster or slower or you get microscopic diamond dust rather than whole rocks, or graphite, respectively.
@@cosmictreason2242 Impact diamonds form in split-seconds... _BUT_ Terrestrial diamond formation/transportation is a fantastic rabbit hole to chase flat-earthers down! LOL! Cheers!
engaging for the algorithm! will catch up after my nap.
Randomly engaging people engaging for the algorithm.
Thumbs up for Erika!
@@CLipka2373 go go Erika go
Here's a rewatch, comment, and like for doing the right thing.
New to the channel and loving it! I've been getting recommended anti-religious content a fair bit lately and it's nice to have one that focuses on science over rehtoric as well as it not being the exclusive focus of the channel.
(Not to disparage the channels I've seen, they seem good at least from what I have watched)
Much respect. Thank you for your integrity.
Thank You.
Well done for correcting that as I imagine it must suck having to pull a video but important to be accurate
Please keep making this sort of thing. I know sometimes it must seem difficult or unrewarding. But you're doing a good job and it's worthwhile and helpful. The world needs people like you, it really does. I know you know. Keep it up :3
Also, bravo for making a correction when you made a mistake. Correcting your mistakes is the whole point of gaining knowledge. It's evidence that you're sincere.
I really appreciate your integrity to update content that had errors. Thank you!
Listened to this while driving, and happened upon a limestone quarry *insert Palpatine “how ironic” meme*
Algorithm-based engagement for my favorite gentle and of course very modern ape and the commitment you show to honesty and accuracy every video and every correction to a video you make.
The paper should be known as the Dunn-Roasting Thesis.
A live stream and Video this week what a treat!!😊
Was listening to you talk about this on the stream yesterday and am excited to watch this.
Here for the replay
I've already seen this but hopefully this still gets out there. Good work
The Heat Problem: trapping creationists between a rock and a hot place
I just talked to some very devout Christians this morning and was reminded how everything that resembles a coincidence, irony, and anything unexplainable by their current level of education is evidence of the presence and direct action of God. Scientific inquiry doesn't even appear on the horizon of their world view, let alone earn actual consideration.
The same may be said of Trump supporters backing a mad non-scientist over reality.
Personal integrity +1.
The preclusion argument that I can repeat most easily is proboscideans.
There are several trees alive today, dated by their growth rings, that are older than the young earth.
@@tristanhore8519 rings aren't yearly 🥱
Totally here for mistake fixing!
You're even fighting your own misinformation, well done 😉
Word!
Best place to start when correcting misinformation is one's self.
I love your communication style and I cry when your intro music comes on XD
My free contribution. I appreciate the corrections. It should be a standard for all things to keep content up to date and correct.
Gotta admire the integrity, but also the willingness to believe that a YEC could have written a well researched, competent, and candid paper. Erica believes they can do better and that hope/faith in them is nice to see too.
Magnificent video! As someone who has to lock horns with this crowd often (I work at a museum and specifically do a lot of public outreach), I've had to come loaded for bear against YECs. That means knowing a lot of the arguments they will make, but also how to counter it with objective facts and their own logic as they will selectively disclude certain sciences. Adding this one to the ammo.
As for one argument I rather like to bring up, it is how *not* mixed the fossil record is. If they want to suppose dragons were dinosaurs, why haven't we found a single non-avian dinosaur bone amidst human made middens? Why thousands of Pleistocene animals, including hundreds of dire wolves alone, and not a single theropod tooth? Why do we have multiple Tyrannosaurus bite marks on Triceratops bones and not a one on a comparatively easier-to-hunt elephant? The fossil and archaeological record is incomplete, but there is still a huge amount of information out there.
I will absolutely rewatch any Gutsick Gibbon video for pure enjoyment, and definitely to reward integrity & honestly!
It's because you have morals
Oh no my favorite part of the intro is missing!!!!!
i guess when she said she has a "pathological inability to leave misinformation alone" she was not joking
As requested, favorite argument against YEC is magnetic striping on seafloors, It just makes so little sense to me that the rate of magnetic field switching would increase at roughly the same rate as the seafloor spreading during a hypothetical continental separation event.
@@MFCI_Orange magnetic striping is a slam dunk case for YEC. It's explained in Kurt Wise's "in depth explanation of the mechanism of Noah's flood." The orientation of the grains do not match the predictions of slow rock formation. They are very variable as would be expected from rock that's cooling while the field repeatedly flips in a short time span. Across millions of years, the differences pre andpost flip would be much sharper than what's observed.
so glad i went to show my sister this video so that i could give the re-upload a watch!!! all the kudos to you and your academic rigor 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for demonstrating the intellectual integrity that is sorely lacking in the YEC community.
Should I hold my breath to see YECs display this level of honesty? I'm thinking that would make me pass out.
@@FNPetersen they've already made corrections many times, eg the vapor canopy and paluxy tracks
The one thing about creationists that is consistent is their wrongness.
@@blaster-zy7xx it's the other way around and the proof is you won't have any interest in exposing yourself to new ideas
@@cosmictreason2242 Creationism isn't a "new idea" at all. Creationism is religious superstition left over from thousands of years ago. In fact, creationism has been scientifically debunked and disguarded into the trash heap of bad superstitious ideas over 100 years ago. Creationism is right up there with flat earth, astrology, and magic potions. Fortunately we have modern science that has demonstrated evolution in countless ways. You can see the evidence for yourself at the many natural history museums around the globe.
@@cosmictreason2242 Don’t bother much, Cosmic. They hate God and you know it.
@@justice8718 Sure, sure, just like we 'hate' unicorns and dragons and pixies, lol
@@SPierre-dm4wo our unicorns are being killed by humans, the rhinos. And one day mankind will convince themselves they never existed like the other creatures that died off here.
Genuinely so impressive. We admire the intellectual honesty, a rewatch from me! And hell I might watch it again later. Good work is good work.
Bonus engagements for correction and revisits - thanks for another educational half hour of crafting.
when I didn't think things could get any worse because of the heat problem, they just got worse (the mud problem)
the heat problem + the mud problem = REALLY BIG PROBLEM (for YEC)
Nah.
If you read Genesis 1, the earth was taken up from the sea, then it gotten heaten up from sources such as the Sun.
@@justice8718 You haven't responded to the comment.
This reminds me of Bunnell Avenue, a huge upper level trunk passage in the Roppel Cave section of the Mammoth Cave System of Kentucky. A massive passage ends in calcite-covered breakdown (sparkling milky white and very pretty, but impenetrable). The pretty flowstone plug (still wet and active) goes from floor to ceiling and completely blocks this massive 5 to 10 meter high by 2 to 5 meter wide canyon.
As you walk/crawl up the gentle slope of the calcite plug near the overall ceiling of the passage, up on the left side there's a place where a big tributary of the same original passage branches off. The regional dip (incline) of the Cumberland Plateau is very minor, about one degree. So in cave passage formation, you have little meanders in the path of a passage, even places where the passage becomes "braided", different levels diverging and then reconnecting a few tens of feet further. Same process by which surface rivers meander in their courses, only in the cave, all the older routes of the river are preserved as the upper levels of braided passages.
So, looking at this little tributary, which isn't blocked by calcite, you think, what if it reconnects with the main passage but past the calcite plug? The calcite plug is massive, but its trickle-feed of water that deposits calcite is probably a point-like local structure, because of some local vertical crack that brings water in from the surface right there.
Looking at the top of this little branch off to the side, you can see over the top of the ancient clay fill, the last sediment load the passage ever carried. You can see for tens of meters further until your light is lost in the gloom. The clay comes within maybe 20 cm of the ceiling. Less than a foot. It's way too low to belly crawl. But you're laying on a 1 meter thick clay bank. Why not just dig a trench in the clay until it's tall enough to crawl through?
I asked if it was okay to try and dig a trench, and the leadership said, with a wink to each other, you go ahead and try it. So I did it, three separate trips with a crew digging a bit each time. What we found was, when you attack this with a camp shovel and a couple of paint scrapers to see if you can trench your way through, at first you can slice the clay into nice square "bricks" and drag them down the passage to dump. But pretty soon, with your body agitating the clay around you, it starts yielding up all this suspended moisture, and it all turns the consistency of chocolate frosting, and then honey. (Vocabulary word: thixotropy). Just a complete oily mess.
Whatever digging I did up in the ceiling of Bunnell Avenue back then (1991), someone else can continue, I'm done. We probably advanced six to eight feet, and there might be hundreds to go.
The oldest passages in Mammoth Cave are about 10,000,000 years old, and this might as well be one of them. It took time for that sediment to accumulate (see Gutsick video above), and even more for the passage to be finally abandoned as the upstream passages that supplied it broke through into lower levels, and left the mud load free to drain (albeit sitting on a very low gradient limestone floor), and slowly become clay.
Erika, I'm saying this as a joke, but it did happen. One of my co-workers when talking to our supervisor complained she was having trouble staying on top of things. His response was that she should get a taller chair. Now they were working on getting additional staff, so they were not unsympathetic to the situation.
You can lead a YEC to knowledge, reason and logic, but you cannot make them Think. Cheers from Michael. Australia.
I am very happy to see a creator I follow hold themselves accountable and apologize. It isn’t very common to see someone apologize for saying something that could have effects on someone’s reputation. Thank you for helping to set example for other creators.
I've always felt like she carries herself with more than enough professional grace to remain dignified no matter which goofball is giving her a hard time. Round of applause from me every time she uploads.
Intellectual honesty and integrity are the pinnacle of human behavior. You are model. Bless you.
Love your work, watching again and adding a comment for the all powerful Algo rhythms
i love how you dont just talk like you're reading from a book. your little side comments and overall humor make this fun to watch. also i appreciate that you're out here educating people for free, and bringing attention to other great minds.
I have a photo of myself at Natural Bridges in Utah, taken by a fellow student while I attended geology field camp in 2005. Basically, it's hundreds of feet (vertical) of sandstone. There are small fossil shell fragments spread throughout, but basically it's all sandstone. This is not something you'll get from a single huge flood. Not really "the mud problem," but it's related.
@@robertlittle7314 it's not something you get from a little river. Sorry dude, you're looking at evidence of the flood
@@cosmictreason2242 on the contrary, it's evidence against a single major flood. Think about it. It's all sandstone, for all practical purposes. Look at the remains after a small flood. You're not going to find sand accumulations covering that kind of surface area, let alone vertical depth. Think about the conditions required to produce *only* sandstone on the scale of Natural Bridges. Big flood, we should find particle sorting of similar scale in adjacent regions, but that is not what we observe
When I first started my college science courses, my devout Christian professor made it clear that all religion must be left at the classroom door. Religion and science will never go well together.
@@braukorpshomebrew6039 "devout"
dubious
Something so critical to the hearts and minds aspect of this crusade: The scientists and scholars delving into the natural history of our planet are not doing it to disprove the existence of God.
Yes they are. This is basically trying to claim the earth created itself. Which is really stupid.
@@justice8718 Do you know what gravity is?
The existence of God had never mattered to science since that's a question of metaphysics and that's in the realm of philosophy. However YECs have to pretend that this is about the existence of God in order to scare their followers into believing their bullshit. Ironically though by tying the existence of God to simple scientific fact they're probably turning a ton of people atheist when they discover they've been lied to by their church. That's probably why the US has one of the fastest growing atheist populations in the world.
I love seeing a decent-sized TH-camr acting with honesty. I also enjoy having GG videos in the background of whatever it is I'm doing. Happy to half-listen to this again(?)
I guess you could say the Young-Earth Creationist explanation is... Clear as mud... I'll show myself out.
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Very simply, young earth does not work without resorting to "MAGIC!" as a mechanism of operation.
Yes, the Bible says. . .
Hydrogen bombs is a unit of measurement. Anything but the metric system.
Freedom.
**eagle scream**
@lyudmilapavlichenko7551 I'll have you know it's a hawk scream. Usually it's a red shouldered hawk.
I measure stuff in trouser snakes. Way easier than the imperial system.
@@angrydoggy9170how does your brain handle such massive numbers daily? 😆😉
As a physics person, nobody knows intuitively how big a joule is. (It's roughly the amount of energy required to raise an apple from the ground up to a table. Or to heat up a milliliter of water by a quarter of a degree. Neither of those is very useful for judging the heat problem.)
Always appreciate you correcting any mistakes and just your videos in general
Erika is the epitome of scientific integrity. Unlike the people she is talking about, if they make a mistake, they double down chanting, nuh-uh!
That's why it looks familiar. I'm going to let this play because integrity should be encouraged. And it also never hurts to watch an informative video twice.
shoutout to intellectual honesty
gotta be one of my favourite genders
This video was my introduction to your channel, and it’s the tops! Instant sub!
Great job correcting the record! Massive amount of respect ❤ Although it would be great if we could stop using terms like "missinformation" on account of those terms being pushed most heavily by the III Reich Propoganda machine. 😁
Absolutely love to see this kind of integrity. I'll rewatch it thrice.