Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, Last King of Númenor - Epic Character History
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- Ar-Pharazôn was the final king of Númenor due to his evil actions and those of his people. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on this character! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Tolkien was a genius. Ar-Pharazon encapsulated perfectly the hubris and fear of Men. If he had just trusted the fate that Eru gave Mortal Men he would have known that it was a gift to the second born rather than a curse. Ah the impact of Morgoth's lies still resided in the hearts of Mortal Men.
“Why should we not envy the Valar, or even the least of the Deathless? For of us is required a blind trust, and a hope without assurance, knowing not what lies before us in a little while. And yet we also love the Earth and would not lose it.” The Numenorean
"For if this is indeed, as the Elves say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive." Arwen
what did the One give to men after death?
@@EvansdiAl That is the point: He did not tell anyone. Perhaps he gave nothing after death.
@@EvansdiAl Their spirits resided in the halls of Mandos for an undetermined amount of time. Then afterwards they were allowed to leave the circles of Arda and mostly likely journey to the Timeless Halls to be with Eru Iluvatar. Elves on the other hand were tied to Arda till the end of time.
@@Alexs.2599 and then man would go live in the new universe at the end of time? or only dwarves? what about elves?
The most cautionary tale on the need for humility. One of Tolkien's greatest parables.
"You are by far the worst Dark Lord I have ever heard of."
"Ah, but you have heard of me."
- Ar Pharizon and Sauron upon that latter's surrender SA 3261
Captain Mudd to Captain Kirk.#43.OST.
He thought he could imprison Sauron yet ended up imprisoned by Sauron's machinations.
He loved beaches so much he became part of one...
😂 that one got me lol
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Hahahaha very true. Good one👍😁
A king and his men sleeping under the ground until they are needed for a final battle is one of my favourite tropes. It crops up in quite a few folk tales and mythologies, in many countries.
I believe Tolkien intended for Ar-Pharazon's role in the Dagor Dagorlad to mirror that of the Army of the Dead. As we all know, the Army of the Dead were cursed by Isildur for breaking their oath to fight for him, and they are unable to die until they fulfil their oath to Isildur's Heir, which they did in 3019 TA.
Similarly, Eru has "cursed" Ar-Pharazon and his army with "immortality", just not the way they had wanted. They will only be able to end their suffering and die in peace by atoning themselves and fight against the army of Morgoth in the Dagor Dagorlad.
Interesting theory, however, the army of the dead sided with no one. Numenor sided with Melkor and actually went to war with the west. They acted and effected others with their ideologies where the men of the white mountains did nothing. I think this is a big difference as Numenor chose their side already.
@@happywheeler4268 Wrong. The army of the dead didn't take up the fight alongside Isildur because they worshipped Sauron during the dark years. So they chose also.
@@Michael-ji3gw they didn’t fight with the last alliance or Mordor. They stayed out of it. Lot different from totally siding with Sauron and fighting against the last alliance, and they worshipped Sauron during the dark years, that is key, but they also swore fealty to the last alliance. Numenor under Ar pharazon never did anything like that. I don’t see them as synonymous at all
@@happywheeler4268 Not the point. They didn't honor their pledge with Isildur because they worshipped Sauron in the past. That's is taking a side, whether actively or passively. In the context of the previous comment by Rynnik Elddi, it matters.
@@Michael-ji3gw yeah they worshipped Sauron in the past, they chose an act of self preservation out of fear. Ar pharazon and Numenor did things of tyrannical nature and affected many lives. They even enslaved people, you’re telling me all of that is washed away? No where in Tolkiens work does he say That the men of Numenor have a redemption arc. Also no oath was made lol.
"The blood of Numenor is all but spent. It's pride and dignity forgotten."
Interesting character this guy
He's known for his fall and obsessions but if u look at him objectively hes almost the very embodiment of humanity. We crave things that are not ours at first, we're prideful wen not faced with failure and more than anything we fear our mortality. It's tragic but understandable. Sometimes we don't need to b saved from a dark lord; sometimes we need to b saved from ourselves
Well said.
I can't fault him. He sought after glory, after an impossible dream, he was intelligent and driven, and was willing to put everything on the line for a dream that he genuinely believed was for the good of his people. He wanted to be more than a small thing, wriggling in the dirt, it's beautiful.
@@thisisaname5589 except he wasn't a small thing, he was the sovereign of the greatest realm of men that has ever existed. This isn't a story of a low born pleb wrestling a life worth living from powers that keep it from him, this is a story of a king who's hubris was so great that he absconded from the very traditions that made their nation holy and pleasant in search for an impossible prize of ultimate superiority and strenght
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 In the eyes of his master to the west, in a land he was not allowed to see, a land of "perfect beauty," he was a small thing, regardless. And he wanted to be something more. I don't fault him. I'd want my people to be more than simply the most relevant insects.
@@thisisaname5589 The Valar were not the masters of men. Indeed, the Valar were forbidden to dominate or attack the Children of Ilúvatar. Ar-Pharazôn sought power and immortality, regardless of what would happen to his people in his attempt. He, like the other King's Men, abandoned reason for madness in listening to Sauron as an invasion of Valinor never had any chance of either succeeding or getting them immortality. In the end, his actions led to the destruction of most of his civilization.
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Interesting that Ar-pharazôn's adventure had a Numenorean steampunk version in the history of middle earth:
"The teaching of Sauron has led to the invention of ships of metal that traverse the seas without sails, but which are hideous in the eyes of those who have not abandoned or forgotten Tol-eressea; to the building of grim fortresses and unlovely towers; and to missiles that pass with a noise like thunder to strike their targets many miles away.”
(-History of Middle-earth 5, The Númenórean chapters, Chapter IV)"
It may even be figurative language, but "and to missiles that pass with a noise like thunder to strike their targets many miles away." Rockets? Many miles away?
"And behold what hath happened since, step by step, At first he revealed only secrets of craft, and taught the making of many powerful and wonderful things; and they seemed good. metal that sheareth hidden rocks, and they sink not in calm or storm; but they are no longer fair to look upon. Our towers grow ever stronger and climb ever higher, but beauty they leave behind upon earth. with impregnable fortresses - and mostly on the West. Men covet, therefore, the lands that other families have long possessed. They fret as men in chains."
So are these Metal Ships ironclads? It's noticeable that: I - the construction of metal ships, powered by propulsion (I think by steam):
"Our ships go now without the wind, and many are made of metal that sheareth hidden rocks, and they sink not in calm or storm; but they are no longer fair to look upon."
It would fit with Tolkien's unease with industrialization run amok.
Which is a pity, since British Steampunk culture and Aesthetic are really cool.
But I also deeply respect Tolkien and his deep.love of Nature. I am definitely in his camp when it comes to preferring the country to modern cities.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 And his uneasiness fits. He was there when the industrial revolution happened in his homeland. He saw nature be cut down and destroyed. The reason why he and Middle Earth’s people frown upon such mechanical marvels is because they are undermining. While they may seem glorious, beauty in appearance is often not a focus, but more than that, they are too much for the Earth and nature to handle, being either pollutive, purely and utterly destructive or both.
The missiles are probably cannons, not missiles(guided rockets)as we know today. Remember that in older English, missile just means any projectile fired or thrown.
So numenoren dreadnoughts basically.
No Tolkien has rejected the notion that the Numenoreans had steampunk technology, it's not canon.
I wonder what the elves of Valinor thought of mortal men entering the Blessed Realm unapposed for a while knowing that this was forbidden. I wonder how it felt to be on Valinor as a mortal man, if it was only for a while and how holy and magical it must have felt and if it affected them being on the Holy Continent. Didn't the Númenorians make camp near Tirion just before they were buried?
I wonder how Numenor would have turned out, had Tar-Miriel become ruling queen. I suspect she'd have been far better at the job than her husband.
Right into a bloodfest... her dad tried, and failed, to wrest Númenor from its collective hubris but his people were far, far too gone for a single king to undo the damage of centuries of corruption. Had she been, say, rather more forceful and proactive than Tar-Palantir, her dear golden cousin would have surely led an insurrection against her rule, which given how little support she had, would have ended in her death alongside that of scores of civilians. Of course, we know not it at that point the Eldar might have stepped in to help her, but if they did and she won thusly, it would still have required a bloodbath for her to keep her crown. Might have been for the best though, at least in the latter scenario: a few (hundred) thousand deaths rather than Númenor's downfall.
Possibly... possibly not. There are two versions of Tar Miriel's story. One, (the earlier, as eventually published in The Peoples of Middle Earth / The Akallabeth, edited by C. Tolkien) is that she was betrothed to a brother of Amandil, called Elentir (a character developed but never fully adapted into the formal history of Númenor.) The account has it that Miriel was betrothed to Elentir. However, she fell desperately in love with Pharazôn and chose to become his queen when he took over the throne. In THIS version of the tale it would seem that Miriel was no innocent little Miss, but a willing agent in Pharazon's ambitions. Could we go so far as to say that she agreed with his desire to be the King of Men... to even defy the Valar? Maybe not. Upon the downfall of Numenor, it is given that she attempted to climb Meneltarma, but did not reach the summit and drowned. The account does not tell us she was doing so out of piety... maybe it was just a mere attempt to not be drowned? The Silmarillion gives a different version, where she is presented as a suppressed woman. As for the Amazon Rings Of Power Tar Miriel... well... this travesty of Tolkien's work is beneath contempt and unworthy of comment.
@@v1e1r1g1e1 Well my comment above is really based on the Silmarillion version, where Tar-Miriel, forced to marry her cousin and give up her throne might have been a good monarch like her father. Of course the one published in The Peoples of Middle Earth is pretty much an alternate universe version (which is which?) and would have made no difference. As for the other one, it is best for one's mental health to ignore its existence.
i just finished listening to this section of the Silmarillion while making lunch. sit down to eat lunch and see this video... what a coincidence!
The loss of Umbar was grievous to Gondor,... because it was there that Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, last King of Númenor, had landed and humbled the might of Sauron. Though great evil had come after, even the followers of Elendil remembered with pride the coming of the great host of Ar-Pharazôn out of the deeps of the Sea; and on the highest hill of the headland above the Haven they had set a great white pillar as a monument. It was crowned with a globe of crystal that took the rays of the Sun and of the Moon and shone like a bright star that could be seen in clear weather even on the coasts of Gondor or far out upon the western sea. So it stood, until after the second arising of Sauron,... Umbar fell under the domination of his servants, and the memorial of his humiliation was thrown down
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I prefer to believe that Ar-Pharazon and his men would ultimately repent when the Dagor Daggorath occurred because I believe that Tolkien would not write any men who were truly, 100% evil beyond redemption.
what about characters such as the witch king?
@@Elendil513 The Witch King would have eventually repented as he and along with every man would sing in the second Ainulande.
Great (and timely ;) video. Numenor has such an amazing story, but one that's rarely talked about, a least when compared to the major tales of the First and Third Age. In terms of world-shaping events it's up there with the War of Wrath. Lots of parallels to the legend of Atlantis
Ar-Pharazon posted to his timeline, SA 3310: "Storm Valinor: They Can't Stop All Of Us!"
This could have been a spoiler for the upcoming LOTR series, but since they’re not respecting the lore it’s fine.
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“Wait. Are we worshiping Morgoth?”
“Yes.”
“The same guy whose downfall led to our ancestors being awarded with this island in which we grew rich and prosperous?”
“Yes.”
“The same one who attacked and tried to kill several of our kings’ ancestors?”
“Yes.”
“Huh… ok.”
Ar-Pharazon’s turn to evil, followed by his people, may sound an obvious dumb move, but the exact same thing has happened in our world, such as in Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Castro’s Cuba: civilized nations turning against God and His principles and allowing for the worship of evil ideas.
Numenor fell 2000 yrs Before under the Blasphemous Ar-Ardakar12th.King.The Elf Friends began to flee at this time.
Númenor started to fall when Tar-Aldarion went out of his way to secure the Scepter for his useless daughter instead of preparing a capable nephew.
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5:45 I absolutely love this artist. He also has a fantastic drawing of Elendil and Gil-Galad fighting Sauron. Ar-Pharazon is an extremely interesting character. He reminds me of great conquerors in the real world. Terrible and evil, but with an odd aspect of heroism thrown into the mix.
What a great time for this video.
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I think the story of Ar Pharazon was a learning experience for the valor as much as it was for humanity in Tolkien’s universe. The slowly began to realize that no matter what they did, messing with Middle Earth and mortals, even if it was to do good and give gifts, always led to tragedy.
Great in depth on Ar Pharazon. Noticed that his name is almost like Pharoah, wonder if this was intentional or just coincidence. Looking forward to next Sunday.
Not sure how anyone else’s faith states it but pharaoh was a tyrant to the his wife or the woman who raised Moses. That whole being engulfed when ar pharazoan arrived in valinor seems a lot like pharaoh and his armies being engulfed by the seas after being split apart.
I do know that Tolkien referenced Egypt when comparing Numenor to the world around it, so that is possible.
As Homer wrote - “He whom the gods wish to destroy they first make proud”!
I'm always surprised by the fan art created for Númenoreans, especially the line of kings--just by the sheer fact that they were depicted by Tolkien as beardless and not growing facial hair much like the elves, and yet, so many art pieces show them with beards, I wonder why?
My guess is because beards are an easy way to add character (though styling and color) and are easily associated in fantasy with wisdom (wizard beard) or physical power (dwarves for example). Very tempting for those willing to take artistic liberties.
I imagine it's an easy identifier for Men, otherwise those unfamiliar would probably assume they were elves. I'm having a hard time naming a single Man in the lotr movies that doesn't have a beard of some kind; even Denethor has a few whiskers.
Nautical cultures in particular often wore beards, for warmth and to keep the salt spray and wind away from the face. Given Numenor’s nautical history and prowess, besides reasons others have already stayed, perhaps there’s a bit of that subconscious artistic bias? 🙂
All great thoughts/ideas why artists unaware of Númenoreans having no facial hair would be depicted as a common man. Keep them coming if ya'll have more ideas, it's pretty interesting.
Wait Elves didn't have beards?
The Invasion could have been prevented had the Valar actually done more to explain why men were denied immortality
I mean if you want to get technical pretty much all the catastrophes in Arda are Eru's fault since Morgoth and the Valar are all derived from his will and aspects of his personality.
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The Valar should have stopped Sauron themselves. They knew he was Morgoth's greatest ally and did nothing while he did his thing in Middle Earth. The Valar only cared when the Numenoreans were going to trespass in their backyard.
They had sent emissaries and all, but goldie would not listen, nor did his forefathers. In fact as early as Tar-Atanamir (13th King, Ar-Pharazon being the 25th) they had been trying to reason with the Numenoreans, but pride, greed and fear, especailly fear, bend to neither reason nor wisdom.
Being given all the answers to life’s questions simply make a life grey and dull. The struggle for knowledge and understanding is such a core part of being human that without it we aren’t.
For the Kings of Numenor itwould have been worse as they where descended from elves and they could have been immortal if their ancestor Elros chose differently.
I really enjoy the picture on the thumbnail and at 5:27. It really encapsulate how mighty and majestic Numenor was at the time.
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Unable to die would be truly a hell worse then any man has ever seen before! Only way it would be a blessing is if you were like the valenor and even then it would be a test every day to keep your sanity. Mortal men was not given a gift of mortality they were given a way to deal with it! I truly believe no human could be a god. We would all lead to ruin everyone around us. We are truly not humble enough nor wise enough to be given that title.
Man it's crazy how short this whole story actually is. Akallabeth audiobook is only an hour long but it involves the longest age and the most advanced civilization in the history of Arda. It also shows how awesome a villain Sauron is, and then Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age he just kind of picks up like none of it happened and "Guess I'll destroy the Elves now" lol.
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I always loved his character
Really wish Amazon stuck to the source material. At least that trash won’t effect the real canon and beauty that is Tolkien. Ty for the video!
Another great video
I think you should add that in Tolkien's early writings Tar-Muriel actually fell in love with her cousin and he didn't usurp her queenship.
Very nice video! I always liked the Downfall of Numenor era.
Eru: Fine, I'll do it myself.
Deathbed a Dynasty, End of an Era, It is a tough question whether the man or the events he took part of are more historically significant. In this case they are so interlinked they are in essence the same.
When the King fell, so did Numenor. Tolkien used the Classic theme in Myth of the health of a Kingdom directly tied to the health of its ruler. Both rise, both can become twisted and corrupt, both decline, and both pass away.
Luckily(if you believe in luck)there were the Ships of the Faithful.
Great as always. Thank you for bringing so many of the 'second tier' to more light. (Pun intended)
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Great episode as always.
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Fantastic story development and oration.
There's something I don't think enough people appreciate about this portion of Númenor's history. They, mere Men, set sail for war against beings that were the foundational powers of existence. And when the Valar sent down their warning, what happened? "And in that hour *the trumpets of Númenor outrang the thunder.* " Yes, they're the bad guys more or less, but the first response they had to a thunderstorm whipped up specifically by the Valar to scare them into turning back was to *call their bluff.* Was it wrong, full of hubris & arrogance? Yeah. But I'd say it required an equal part of courage, too.
If the numenorians didn't do that conquering bit, maybe the men of Hadarim wouldn't have sided with Sauron as quickly
No wars with them or even possible allies in the wars to come. The folly of the Númenorians caused so much damage in the Third Age.
It's hard to say. Sauron and earlier Morgoth had domination over many of the men in southern and eastern Middle-Earth at various points in Middle-Earth's history.
@@istari0 what made the Edain so special that they resisted Morgoth's influence when they sat under the same umbrella as the rest of Middle Earth
@@madambutterfly1997 I think their close exposure to elves, particularly elves that had lived in Valinor, helped with that.
That's a beautiful picture of Tar-Miriel.
I’ve always found his character interesting and I think it’d be interesting for a what if theory if ar pharazon didn’t invade numenor and killed Sauron then and there. Plus I have a fan theory that ar pharazon could’ve been one of the first nazgul since Tolkien himself said 3 were from numenor. Great video yoystan!
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Perfect timing Mellon. Ar-Pharazon is set to appear in the upcoming Rings of Power, have you seen him? Only you could be so precise, that...or the Valar have blessed you.
Thanks MotW, Ar-Pharazon has such an interesting story
I never knew that he had Sauron kneeling before him. This is an astounding video about an astounding story
Those are just pictures.. there is no direct text on how he „surrendered“ to Ar Pharazon.
I use quotes because Sauron planed his surrender and used it to corrupt the men of the west
@@arturleperoke3205 I see. That makes amore sense for Sauron. However, even if it was a dishonest surrender, it still speaks to King Pharazôn's might.
i thought it was king joffrey on the thumbnail
The pride Sauron shared with the Numenorians and the elves of the Second Age allowed him to manipulate them
Ar-Pharazôn - "The Golden, or The Light" Tolkien: Yeah about that, he is corrupt...
Man, why are almost *there is one exception* people called the "The Wise" aren't?!!!
Thanks, for one of the most important kings *and the last King* of Númenor...Until Lindon's History Marion Baggins Out!!!
The Valar sometimes get a lot of criticism for not better opposing Morgoth and Sauron. But a lot of this is undeserved: part of the plan of the Valar was for Numenor to not just be a gift to the Edain, but for the Numenoreans to be active against Sauron in Middle-Earth. When the Valar went to war directly, Arda was violently changed, whole continents and seas would shift. Even without the remaining Noldor of Lindon, the Numenoreans were more than a match for Sauron.
one of my favourite characters i always wish to have more material about him more stuff in books at least something like tale about aldarion and erendis i only ask for few extra pages 😥
I've always been very curious what "wise words" Sauron used to go from prisoner to highest advisor in a year. Probably stroked Ar Pharazon's ego, I suppose.
Also, was wondering if you ever thought of making the channel logo as a pvc tactical patch? Just wondering .
What if Saruman somehow managed to get all the magic rings (7 Dwarf rings, 3 Elven rings, and the 9 rings of men)? I know this is a simple “Well he didn’t.” But what if he had? Not the One ring but the others. Could he have used them? Or would he simply study them? I know that several of the Dwarven rings are either lost or destroyed by Dragon fire and the Nazgûl kept their rings (or I think they did)
I would LOVE to see the Great Armament included in the series. I hope they can capture the power and majesty of the Sea Kings.
It's going to be in the amazon series.
Imagine if Pharazon didn't take Sauron back to Numenor and laid seige to Mordor instead, how would Sauron react and how would the fate of Men might have turned out.
In all the tongues of Men there is one word, and *only* one word, which can sum up my thoughts of Ar-Pharazon with all the power and clarity of Eru's own commands:
"SCHMUCK!!!"
Little known is the actual architect of the great sea fleet of ships .
Ar-Pharazon realized , when he was planning his conquests , that he would need a massive fleet of ships capable to weather the storms of the great sea .
To this end he approached his brother in law once removed , " Ar-Bhilee " who was a carpenter and had in the past , constructed a few small fishing boats , that were mainly used in the calm of the bay .
Ar-Pharazon wanted to know if his brother in law , once removed , could construct ocean going ships so he posed to him the question " Arrrr- Bhilee..... Have ye ever been to sea ? "
Thousands of years later in present Earth , a very famous sea captain would utter those same words to a young lad named " Billy "
His name was " Captain High Liner " .
Any chance you would do a video on Sea Monsters in Middle earth?
It will be interesting to see him in the Rings of Power
ln my headcanon, Ar-Pharazon is the true human identity of the Witch King.
That would be poetic, the King who sought to rule all bound in eternal servitude to the one he once imprisoned.
It would be headcanon. The Wk was already around before The Golden King
The 12th King of Numenor.Ar-Ardakar the Blasphemous.Had a Brother who ruled the Coasts of Middle Earth as Regent to the King and was a Black Sorcerer.He accepted Saurons Gift and became Angmar the WitchKing.
I have a hard time understanding how a kingdom as powerful as Arnor and Gondor came into existence from only 9 ships. Especially in such a short amount of time that Elendil and his Sons took part in the last alliance of elves and men with such strength as to defeat Saron.
There were plenty of faithful already living in middle earth at the time. They fled Númenor to avoid persecution.
For any who don't know, a TH-camr with the username Faldoror Laridon made a song about Ar-Pharazon on his channel.
The name of the video...well take a guess: Ar-Pharazôn
I'd highly recommend checking it out.
That's a great one. I'd also like to mention the Summoning song "Tar-Calion" from their latest album.
@@daniellothgren157 Thank you. I'll check it out.
If only numenor had stayed true.
Maybe its me but I found it unfair that those that were faithful to eru and especially the valar in middle earth, the Dunedain would find that their gifts were would be slowly withdrawn including their life spans.
They stayed true for millennia fighting the dark and yet it seems like a poor reward
@13:35 *visualizes a horde of Numenorian zombies*
A.P. became most pitiful among his fellow men. He is now a prisoner among the Forgotten due to his own folly, and a blooming evil stoked by a greater evil. I pity him. I pity his men. But I, too, pity Ar-Pharazôn
That was great 👍 thank you. Tolkien rocks !
It was a sad episode reading this part of Numenor's story.
And so in Dagor Dagorath, just as the battle was to unfold, the Caves of the Forgotten cracked and open. And from there came forth Ar-Pharazon the Golden and his army. Massive and mighty they were, even after millenia of darkness in the caves. "Ah, Ar-Pharazon the Golden... I remember your sacrifices, they aided me well" - said Morgoth while his lietunant Sauron smiled. The Valar and Elves were worried. Although they had Eru Illuvatar to back them, they still wished not to harm the Secondborn Children, no matter how darkened have they become.
Silence fell upon the battlefield... And then it was broken by the King of Numenor.
"Ar-Pharazon the Golden is dead. My name is Tar-Kalion, the son of light. And I will have you punished for twisting and perverting our minds, making us hate our Father and Friends from the West as well as destruction of Numenor".
"You have sacrificed men to me! You belong to me! " - Laughed Morgoth. - "Eru will never forgive nor accept you again! Eternall darkness and death awaits you anyway!"
But Tar-Kalion, the Son of Light, had none of it.
"You lied and fooled me once." - Said King of Numenor. - "You will not do it again. I will fight you in the name of Eru even if death awaits me. If I am to fall - so be it. I will accept the Gift from the One, from which I foolishily tried to run away. What say you, Men of Numenor, Children of Eru Illuvatar?"
Hundreds of thousands of Numenoreans supported him "Down with the Deceiver! Glory to Eru! Victory of Good or Death!"
The scream of Morgoth was terrible, when he saw Numenoreans, the mightiest of the Secondborn of illuvatar unleash their fury upon Morgoth and his hordes. And therr was no difference between Elendili or King's Men there, for all of them were at that moment forgiven and rembraced by Eru, as sons an daughters who were lost but got found.
Many years after the Downfall, the Kings of Gondor erected great pillar at Umbar as a commemoration of Ar-Pharazon. Even though Elendil's people suffered greatly because of the evil that Sauron caused in Numenor as a result of Ar-Pharazon's deeds, his descendants still wished to honour the King and his army for the humbling of Sauron. When Sauron retook Umbar from the Gondorians, he in turn had this monument to his defeat destroyed.
Sounds like they may have been cursed like the Unfaithful that Aragorn brought with him for battles at Pelargir.
Omg, wouldn't that be amazing if Dagor Dagoroth does come to pass? Furthermore, the Numenoreans of his reign have to answer the call to fight in order to be free from eternal persecution?
Pretty much like Aragorn and the oathbreakers🤔
Little bit of Arthur there in Pharazôn.
how would the valar react if they tried taking sauron to the undying lands ?
Ar-Pharazôn is to Men what Feanor was to Elves.
I never thought of that before but it makes a lot of sense.
Why did the great host that captured Sauron have the Seven Stars signifying the Palantiri?
If the Elendil and the Faithful held the Palantiri and not the Royal Household surely Ar Pharazon would not hold them as a Royal Sigil?
Is it just a mistake by the artist 🎨?
Calion="Son of Light". And Tolkien said he hated allegory in all its forms. Heh. I also agree with other comments saying that at the Dagor Dagorath, Ar-Pharazon and his army will fight on the side of the Valar. My personal retcon is that Pharazon will kill Sauron, whose spirit is not dead
Why? There is a fundamental difference between Numenor and the Oathbreakers. Numenor killed thousands, enslaved thousands, and committed themselves totally to the hatred of eru and the devotion of Melkor. They made no alliances with the west, they participated against the west, and they made the spiritual choice to reject Eru. So how do they get a redemption arc based on that?
@@happywheeler4268 Because everything Melkor does only redounds to the Glory of Eru.
@@paulwagner688 true, but that red herring doesn’t really diminish Numenors free will to choose sides.
@@happywheeler4268 If Eru says he will win, he will win. And he told Melkor this in the Day Before Days when all of the Ainur were with Eru.
@@paulwagner688 again I agree with Eru winning, I agree with the fundamentals of religious doctrine that Tolkien incorporated with middle earth, with that said, Numenor made their choice to totally disregard Eru and side with evil.
Guess this video could've also been called don't Mess with the Men of the West. :P
Ah the reflections of humankind. Hubris, fear of mortality, a hunger for more
By the way, here's an idea for a theory vid...
What if Bilbbo did'nt join Thorin's company.
Valar could've ended the invasion but nooooooo Eru was like "Don't kill them, ill do it"
" The Vala laid aside Their Guardianship. And Called Opon the ONE.The World was Changed and Globed The Undying Lands removed forever from Mens Hands.And Numenor drowned Beneath the Wave Forever.
The Valar were forbidden to attack the Children of Ilúvatar by Eru Ilúvatar.
@@brandtbollers3183 but they could have did that long before the numenoreans even landed on their shores. Manwë practically saw them coming.
Tales of Numenor
Cave Trolls: monstrous spawn of darkness; smell lovely.
Well told. Poor Tar Miriel.
had a look at the candles. was pretty excited until i saw thev $30 a pop price tag. suddenly. i'm not that excited.
I totally understand! Hopefully there is a nice sale or something soon!
Amazon: Perfect embodiment of the pAtRiArChy....
Has this channel sold out to the rings of power from Amazon If so I don't want to waste my time thank you for whoever answers
In my opinion, I have not. But at this point, it seems everyone has a different opinion on that front 😂
@@MenoftheWest I appreciate you answering so quickly I will continue to support you
@@VSMOKE1 Yoystan is taking a wait and see approach to this series. He is certainly not a shill for Amazon at all. He has stated before that if it is bad than he will voice his criticism of it very strongly. He will let it rip for sure. Cheers.
@@Alexs.2599 The fact that he didn't delete my comments and responded tells me a lot I'll stick around
@@VSMOKE1 He's awesome guy. I'm glad you're sticking around here. The more the better. Welcome my friend! And believe me I have a lot to say about this Amazon series, oh boy a lot lol.
Like disposable batteries, it seems to me that Tolkien's lesser gods start out with a certain potential power, power that is diminished every time they use it to shape the world. Perhaps the Valar created spooky clouds to scare the Numenorians, because they couldn't do much else.
No, Eru Ilúvatar forbade the Valar from attacking the Children of Ilúvatar.
The weakest Valar had more than enough power to destroy the armies of Numenor. They were outright forbidden to harm Elves and Men (and probably dwarves too)
What if Sauron took the throne of numenorean for himself
He had.
If Númenor survived, I'm sure he would have. Sauron didn't expect Númenor to be destroyed.