Great Video Ed! That is pretty much the way we use Plugshare never been a fan of ABRP - we tried it for one 4500km trip in the Kona and just went with planning our own route with Plugshare! Been using the preconditioning pretty regularily this past 10 days as we are on the homeward bound leg back to SW Ontario.( Des Moines, Iowa tonight), about a week ago we woke up to -18C in Burley, Idaho....battery was a chilly -6C degrees! Been battling some pretty cool overnights all across the U.S. so the precon has been awesome! We're 14,000km and 41 days into our trip with about 1000km to get home! The car has been flawless and we love it even more now than when picked it up...we miss our Kona EV some days but the Ioniq5 is amazing! Have great day and thanks for doing the videos you do! Mike and Ally ðĻðĶ ð
Hi Ed , my 2024 ioniq6, can you disable the folding mirrors for the winter? Just leave them in the open position so they won't ice up overnight and try to open when frozen.
Great video. Thank you. So i understand how this will work for DC charging. But what about AC charging when the battery is cold. If you charge eg with 11kw AC or from your normal power outlet with 2,3kw, what will happen? Do you need to preheat the battery? And if yes, the charging AC will take many hours, so in time the battery will cool down again i guess? Nobody really talks about AC charging in winter although most people who own an electrical car will mostly charge AC. Can you help?
@edsgarage001 if you watch eg Bjorn Nylands test videos, you can actually see that certain brands (tesla, hyundai, volkswagen etc) behave differently when charging with 11kw in cold winter (temperature lower then 3 degrees celcius). He shows that from the 11kw charging station only about 5kw goes into the battery (you can read this from the obd dongle). The remaining kw is used by the car automatically to heat up the battery. And since AC charging takes several hours (eg charging from 20 to 80%), its even possible that during the charge session, the battery cools down again and the automatic heating repeats itself. So the 11kw AC charging is not efficient in low temperatures (not even that cold) and manufacturers are not talking about it. Also unfortunate many channels do not report about this, since many believe that AC charging is not temperature depending. However real tests will tell a different story....
Hey I never said it would charge at a consistent 11kw... My point was you don't need to preheat it, and it'll accept an 11kw charge when it can, but regardless of temperature, its always going to fluctuate how much it actually shoves into the battery. The fact that it knows to automatically warm the battery up in order to increase the charging speed up to the full 11 kilowatts, is by design. And means you don't need to think about it. It also means it's always going to be safe to connect it up and go without worrying about it. It will also reduce charging speed in the summer when the battery or inverter, or even the charge connector gets too warm. Considering how long it takes to charge with a level two charger, there's really no benefit to preheating the battery before plugging it in (level 2), as that likely wouldn't reduce the overall charging speed anyway. And besides what difference is 10-20 minutes going to make when the full charge is going to take about 6 hours minimum anyway.
Currently in the pre-ccnc systems (ioniq 5 and 6) you need to set a charging station as the destination. But on the new redesigned Kona EV, you can manually turn it on in the EV settings screen
I would use the abrp(a better route planner) which can connect to the car. If it doesnât trigger preconditioning just set one of the charges it chooses in the car system.
Airport is totally better, because it uses more technology, and it is scaled to one's specific ev brand, model and submodel. Been using it for years when I am not in my plaid or m3p.we are a 4 ev household and been driving bevs since 2012 so over a decade of real world e penitence and situations is better than an opinion, just saying ed...
Abrp can't account for a faulty or poorly rated station or a busy station in realtime. Plus I don't always want to go from point a to point b. Sometimes on a trip, people change their plans and go look at sights or points of interest that cause them to deviate. Even if I did plan my right with abrp, I'd still be using plug share to check each next station anyway. So I don't see much point in using abrp in the first place.
Great Video Ed!
That is pretty much the way we use Plugshare never been a fan of ABRP - we tried it for one 4500km trip in the Kona and just went with planning our own route with Plugshare! Been using the preconditioning pretty regularily this past 10 days as we are on the homeward bound leg back to SW Ontario.( Des Moines, Iowa tonight), about a week ago we woke up to -18C in Burley, Idaho....battery was a chilly -6C degrees! Been battling some pretty cool overnights all across the U.S. so the precon has been awesome!
We're 14,000km and 41 days into our trip with about 1000km to get home!
The car has been flawless and we love it even more now than when picked it up...we miss our Kona EV some days but the Ioniq5 is amazing!
Have great day and thanks for doing the videos you do!
Mike and Ally ðĻðĶ ð
Right on! That's awesome.. I really miss being on the road trip
4:48 when the car is heating the battery, there's a coil on the SoC-meter (bottom left on the main display). It could be more visible though...
Check out my latest video of the preconditioning in action with a thermal camera!
Again a very useful video; thanks Ed!
Thx!
Hi Ed , my 2024 ioniq6, can you disable the folding mirrors for the winter?
Just leave them in the open position so they won't ice up overnight and try to open when frozen.
Yes, this is how you do it...
th-cam.com/users/shortsIzR6ZvurW8k?feature=shared
Great video. Thank you. So i understand how this will work for DC charging. But what about AC charging when the battery is cold. If you charge eg with 11kw AC or from your normal power outlet with 2,3kw, what will happen? Do you need to preheat the battery? And if yes, the charging AC will take many hours, so in time the battery will cool down again i guess? Nobody really talks about AC charging in winter although most people who own an electrical car will mostly charge AC. Can you help?
Nope, the battery can very easily accept 11kw AC safely even when it's very cold. No need to preheat for that.
@edsgarage001 if you watch eg Bjorn Nylands test videos, you can actually see that certain brands (tesla, hyundai, volkswagen etc) behave differently when charging with 11kw in cold winter (temperature lower then 3 degrees celcius). He shows that from the 11kw charging station only about 5kw goes into the battery (you can read this from the obd dongle). The remaining kw is used by the car automatically to heat up the battery. And since AC charging takes several hours (eg charging from 20 to 80%), its even possible that during the charge session, the battery cools down again and the automatic heating repeats itself. So the 11kw AC charging is not efficient in low temperatures (not even that cold) and manufacturers are not talking about it. Also unfortunate many channels do not report about this, since many believe that AC charging is not temperature depending. However real tests will tell a different story....
Hey I never said it would charge at a consistent 11kw... My point was you don't need to preheat it, and it'll accept an 11kw charge when it can, but regardless of temperature, its always going to fluctuate how much it actually shoves into the battery.
The fact that it knows to automatically warm the battery up in order to increase the charging speed up to the full 11 kilowatts, is by design. And means you don't need to think about it. It also means it's always going to be safe to connect it up and go without worrying about it.
It will also reduce charging speed in the summer when the battery or inverter, or even the charge connector gets too warm.
Considering how long it takes to charge with a level two charger, there's really no benefit to preheating the battery before plugging it in (level 2), as that likely wouldn't reduce the overall charging speed anyway. And besides what difference is 10-20 minutes going to make when the full charge is going to take about 6 hours minimum anyway.
how do you do it manually, without a destination? I know it can be done. And can you do it remotely?
Currently in the pre-ccnc systems (ioniq 5 and 6) you need to set a charging station as the destination. But on the new redesigned Kona EV, you can manually turn it on in the EV settings screen
I would use the abrp(a better route planner) which can connect to the car. If it doesnât trigger preconditioning just set one of the charges it chooses in the car system.
I prefer plug share over abrp
Airport is totally better, because it uses more technology, and it is scaled to one's specific ev brand, model and submodel. Been using it for years when I am not in my plaid or m3p.we are a 4 ev household and been driving bevs since 2012 so over a decade of real world e penitence and situations is better than an opinion, just saying ed...
Abrp can't account for a faulty or poorly rated station or a busy station in realtime. Plus I don't always want to go from point a to point b. Sometimes on a trip, people change their plans and go look at sights or points of interest that cause them to deviate.
Even if I did plan my right with abrp, I'd still be using plug share to check each next station anyway. So I don't see much point in using abrp in the first place.
Im waiting for elantra 2024 luxury review
As soon as I've got one, I'll do it ð
they should put its own pre hear tab so you can hit it anytime you want ,,, like lucid
Agreed