The bottomline is there is no evidence to suggest that they asked to take her lies to the grave. Think about it, who is going to be responsible if she took her own life if they have piled her with pressure to address at parliament asap when she was already in an unstable & vulnerable state? Extending sympathy & giving her the space & time was humane & the right thing to do even though they were upset with her for damaging the party’s reputation despite being told to substantiate her claim by PS before making her speech. Singapore is not going to collapse if her lies were not address immediately
These group of COP is having a problem in understanding English or having some kind analytical of understanding what Sylvia Lim had said. They seem not able to pick up what she said.
Tan was educated at Nanyang Primary School, Raffles Institution and Raffles Junior College before he went on to read law at the University of Nottingham. After graduating with a Bachelor of Laws (Honours) in 1994, Tan attended the Bar Professional Training Course in London and became a barrister-at-law at the Middle Temple. Later, he completed a Master of Laws in maritime law at the University of Southampton in 2005.
What should happen next is obvious. Subject Ms Khan to a psychological examination. Recall her back to substantiate her "take the matter to the grave" statement as that's disputed by all 3 of the WP leadership. Anything less will cast the PAP in a bad light.
With such fragile mind frame which SL took much pains to profile her, it is not conceivable that she alone continued the narrative without any coercion…..
Regards to the 8 Aug WhatsApp message from RK to her associates "I told them what I told you, the best thing is to take the lie to the grave", and in conjunction to the fact that on 8 Aug the senior WP leadership did not specifically instruct her anything, it is fair to say RK was assuming that "since the leaders did not say anything and thus I can attempt to cover up this matter".
As leader of worker party must be sincerely to citizen of Singapore but now he teach his member do the wrong thing how to be the good leader pls don't avoid your mistakes
One of the considerations could be looking into the medical condition of Ms Raeesah Khan. Especially if there had been cases of psychiatric consultations
At least Raeesah is now in remorse. Pritam Singh is not only NOT owning up. He is displaying arrogance of the worst sort and tries to lawyer his way out of all lies by giving antagonistic answers aimed at distracting and confusing the public - away from the truth. Many people are lauding him based on a few, selected video clips. But behind the arrogance and belligerence, all I see is a sacred, insecure man who is willing to sacrifice the people he was supposed to protect, to save his own hide. At all times, all that I heard from Pritam mouth, was the words of a "man" who shirked his responsibility to lead and guide younger politicians under his charge, who blamed others and threw them under the bus to preserve his own position, and who let his juniors take the flak for his own failings.
When you are accosted with a sneaky lawyer of higher authority trying to change your testimony in 10 different ways you fight till the death to maintain your original testimony. This is the kind of leader Singapore deserves. A leader that will not be bullied.
In order to commit a crime there must be a motive to benefit oneself. How does encouraging Ms khan to lie benefit the WP? So, to all the "smart" people out there... what's the motive?
She couldn't remember or recall too many times. I think it would be good to get her back to answer more questions. Didn't look good for accountability.
Prata Singh most probably IMPLIED for Raeesah to take it to the grave (He's a lawyer, of course he won't implicate himself and tell her to explicitly to bury this incident). If not, he wouldn't have waited 3 FULL MONTHS to rectify the situation. Ridiculous that no time limit was given, and she could subsequently lie in parliament again in October. All throughout the hearing he was trying to escape answering questions head-on. The people are watching and the people are disappointed
WP "leaders" abdicate responsibility, no sense of urgency, practice cronyism, and got no accountability, push blame and got crap crisis management skills. Plus encourage Dependency Culture and Entitlement Mindset among their voter base. If such characters are your office boss, would you continue working for them? Or you get the hell out of such an organisation?
@@skydragon23101979 The leaders must give clear written instructions. These are sorely missing. Ended up in a her words vers his words case Poor leadership
@@letsniqab she is awesome in her understanding n answering of this panel’s every question…even able to show compassion n support by presenting khan’s mental stage, whilst the rest of wp team already condemned n disassociated with khan !
I suggest that everyone watch the session with Ms Khan again in light of the WP leadership's testimonies. Edwin Tong was acting as a defence lawyer for Ms Khan trying very hard leading Ms Khan to implicate the WP leadership with his questioning. The WP leadership had nothing to do with Ms Khan concocting the lie nor encouraged her to continue with the lie. It's time PAP leadership dissociate itself from Edwin Tong in order to preserve its good name. A separate COP should be conducted to investigate the conduct of Edwin Tong now and bar him from this COP immediately. PAP cannot allow the narcissism of one person bring the whole party down.
COP is not formed by PAP. In the constitution, there must be at least 1 candidate that represents the opposition party or the neutral party. Your statements are fraud and baised, its in their scope and ability to question them in any way. Its nonsensical for you to post such a statement, without the prior knowledge about the motives of COP.
@@Falcon-sf3zz Go read the special reports. Every motion was voted no by the opposition member. And you tell us this is not a wayang? We are supposed to elect our president. We did not vote the last time. That is not wayang? Our president is supposed to be a Malay. She's Indian. That is not wayang? Why are you stupid like Edwin Tong?
The drama between Dennis and SL was too fake and unimpressive. It didn't score any points in the law If these have these notes, why didn't PS mention? And she added legs to the snake by saying that she was in a news black out last few days. This insult our intelligience. Why could she when her Co conspirators were whacked upside down by the panel She is a smooth one...Good in this kind of things , sadly though
I do think that the benefit of doubt should be given to her on the authenticity of the notes. Forensic handwritting analysis can to a great extent verify whether those notes were taken just recently. I think it is a fair assumption that the panel will go to great lengths to verify the 'contemporous' element of these notes to the extent of hiring experts to examine.
@@rslin4888 Yup I wholeheartedly agree it’s fair to authenticate the notes. Because once the notes are proven real then the case can be put to rest that all the while it has been RK that was lying and nothing to do with the WP leadership. It also shows the efficiency of the WP leadership and the hypocrisy of this panel.
The revelation of RK's mental condition by Sylvia reminds me of the plot of the Netflix movie "Fractured". I should watch that movie again. Well done Sylvia, WP's MVP for this COP.
Any parties core responsibilies is to the public and the public spaces and needs which they are tasks to perform. If they is a fire or wall collaspe from a HDB Building or slippy floor on ramp or steps on stair, broken lift or pests invade, the MP should be spending managing these issues - a 28 yo MP has a lot of common space to take care when he or she is assigned. PA's executive reponsible for public space, public and using many young grassroot. Does PA leader need to hold the responsibilies if a 28 yo branch manager lie or falsehood ? The cases of the over purchases of speedometer? Resulted in lost of million of public funds. Base on AGO yearly finding. Can COP be run full time and address all finding??
"Stay on, what people think of minority women", she should have just done her work, don't talk like Faisal Manap is ok, he's now the vice-chair in WP. Miss Lim explain the littany of Raeesah her missteps and all is not a good thing for WP ah, y'all candidate selection quite the jialat. Some party heng the candidate never went to nomination, you suai suai keep one year. And based on the way Pritam told her to do, y'all say it is up to Raessah to lie or tell the truth, eh, this one hor of course is the MP responsible for it. She's 26, not underaged, then who responsible for what comes out of her mouth?
@@MrHakim311 I am referring on the selection since the original post was on WP poor selection of Khan. Was MP a hypocrite as long as he was not found out?
The bottomline is there is no evidence to suggest that they asked to take her lies to the grave.
Think about it, who is going to be responsible if she took her own life if they have piled her with pressure to address at parliament asap when she was already in an unstable & vulnerable state? Extending sympathy & giving her the space & time was humane & the right thing to do even though they were upset with her for damaging the party’s reputation despite being told to substantiate her claim by PS before making her speech. Singapore is not going to collapse if her lies were not address immediately
If she was in a weak frame of mind, RK should not even be in politics in the first place
Exactly.
That"s right,this seems like a big do over a lie*Except 4the fact that(was her lie,an innocent)white lie or something more malicious??!!!!
sylvia did more to move the investigation forward in 20 mins than the days and weeks spent by our 2nd minister for law..
These group of COP is having a problem in understanding English or having some kind analytical of understanding what Sylvia Lim had said. They seem not able to pick up what she said.
I am sad for RK that she has to wash some of her linen in public because of the lies she told in parliament.
Thank you Mr Dennis Tan for your valuable contribution in COP.
Just a drama.
RK's husband and parents should also be called to ask what was their knowledge about her before 3rd August, 2021.
Tan was educated at Nanyang Primary School, Raffles Institution and Raffles Junior College before he went on to read law at the University of Nottingham. After graduating with a Bachelor of Laws (Honours) in 1994, Tan attended the Bar Professional Training Course in London and became a barrister-at-law at the Middle Temple. Later, he completed a Master of Laws in maritime law at the University of Southampton in 2005.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Tan
What should happen next is obvious. Subject Ms Khan to a psychological examination.
Recall her back to substantiate her "take the matter to the grave" statement as that's disputed by all 3 of the WP leadership.
Anything less will cast the PAP in a bad light.
With such fragile mind frame which SL took much pains to profile her, it is not conceivable that she alone continued the narrative without any coercion…..
RK is not well. Very obvious.
But SL knew but where was she? Can we buy her story?
@@fiost1489 Why can’t we buy SL’s story. There is medical evidence to support that claim.
So, what did the COP finally concluded? Is there a video on the conclusions or recommendations?
Regards to the 8 Aug WhatsApp message from RK to her associates "I told them what I told you, the best thing is to take the lie to the grave",
and in conjunction to the fact that on 8 Aug the senior WP leadership did not specifically instruct her anything, it is fair to say RK was assuming that "since the leaders did not say anything and thus I can attempt to cover up this matter".
She couldn't be lying esp she sent the text to her associates immediately after that meeting with Pritam and the gang
@@fiost1489 Why couldn’t she be lying?
@@fiost1489so now we know she was lying and lying and so were her associates.
How do you feel now? Like an absolute fool?
As leader of worker party must be sincerely to citizen of Singapore but now he teach his member do the wrong thing how to be the good leader pls don't avoid your mistakes
One of the considerations could be looking into the medical condition of Ms Raeesah Khan. Especially if there had been cases of psychiatric consultations
At least Raeesah is now in remorse. Pritam Singh is not only NOT owning up. He is displaying arrogance of the worst sort and tries to lawyer his way out of all lies by giving antagonistic answers aimed at distracting and confusing the public - away from the truth. Many people are lauding him based on a few, selected video clips. But behind the arrogance and belligerence, all I see is a sacred, insecure man who is willing to sacrifice the people he was supposed to protect, to save his own hide. At all times, all that I heard from Pritam mouth, was the words of a "man" who shirked his responsibility to lead and guide younger politicians under his charge, who blamed others and threw them under the bus to preserve his own position, and who let his juniors take the flak for his own failings.
Style of a Lawyer?
Sylvia is just yet compassionate
When you are accosted with a sneaky lawyer of higher authority trying to change your testimony in 10 different ways you fight till the death to maintain your original testimony.
This is the kind of leader Singapore deserves. A leader that will not be bullied.
In order to commit a crime there must be a motive to benefit oneself.
How does encouraging Ms khan to lie benefit the WP?
So, to all the "smart" people out there... what's the motive?
She couldn't remember or recall too many times.
I think it would be good to get her back to answer more questions.
Didn't look good for accountability.
Where is the german workers party?
Prata Singh most probably IMPLIED for Raeesah to take it to the grave (He's a lawyer, of course he won't implicate himself and tell her to explicitly to bury this incident). If not, he wouldn't have waited 3 FULL MONTHS to rectify the situation. Ridiculous that no time limit was given, and she could subsequently lie in parliament again in October. All throughout the hearing he was trying to escape answering questions head-on. The people are watching and the people are disappointed
Knowing PAP and his experience no way....he would expect her to lie. It is quite obvious she is unwell.
Now people reading the news everyday are disappointed - your comment did not age well
WP "leaders" abdicate responsibility, no sense of urgency, practice cronyism, and got no accountability, push blame and got crap crisis management skills. Plus encourage Dependency Culture and Entitlement Mindset among their voter base. If such characters are your office boss, would you continue working for them? Or you get the hell out of such an organisation?
You are absolutely right.
She was absent
salty that PS demolished the nonsense scenarios ET was trying to force down his throat 😂
Guess you are so used to being micromanaged that you are unable to accept a culture that treats you as a responsible adult.
@@skydragon23101979
The leaders must give clear written instructions. These are sorely missing. Ended up in a her words vers his words case
Poor leadership
@@coshinc5941 rk isn't a kindergarten student. but I guess logic and reasoning is lost on you
after this saga, my respect for WP n pritam has gone down, but even stronger now for sylvia lim !
good try
Yes, this was a free publicity for her unheard of sharpness.
@@letsniqab she lawyer, she btr be sharp
@@letsniqab she is awesome in her understanding n answering of this panel’s every question…even able to show compassion n support by presenting khan’s mental stage, whilst the rest of wp team already condemned n disassociated with khan !
@@limeddie3864 if the WP or at least PS is going down after this looooooong saga, she doesn't deserve to go down with them/ him clown/s.
I suggest that everyone watch the session with Ms Khan again in light of the WP leadership's testimonies.
Edwin Tong was acting as a defence lawyer for Ms Khan trying very hard leading Ms Khan to implicate the WP leadership with his questioning. The WP leadership had nothing to do with Ms Khan concocting the lie nor encouraged her to continue with the lie.
It's time PAP leadership dissociate itself from Edwin Tong in order to preserve its good name.
A separate COP should be conducted to investigate the conduct of Edwin Tong now and bar him from this COP immediately.
PAP cannot allow the narcissism of one person bring the whole party down.
COP is not formed by PAP. In the constitution, there must be at least 1 candidate that represents the opposition party or the neutral party. Your statements are fraud and baised, its in their scope and ability to question them in any way. Its nonsensical for you to post such a statement, without the prior knowledge about the motives of COP.
@@Falcon-sf3zz
Go read the special reports. Every motion was voted no by the opposition member.
And you tell us this is not a wayang?
We are supposed to elect our president. We did not vote the last time.
That is not wayang?
Our president is supposed to be a Malay. She's Indian.
That is not wayang?
Why are you stupid like Edwin Tong?
The drama between Dennis and SL was too fake and unimpressive.
It didn't score any points in the law
If these have these notes, why didn't PS mention?
And she added legs to the snake by saying that she was in a news black out last few days. This insult our intelligience. Why could she when her Co conspirators were whacked upside down by the panel
She is a smooth one...Good in this kind of things , sadly though
I do think that the benefit of doubt should be given to her on the authenticity of the notes. Forensic handwritting analysis can to a great extent verify whether those notes were taken just recently. I think it is a fair assumption that the panel will go to great lengths to verify the 'contemporous' element of these notes to the extent of hiring experts to examine.
@@user-jn3uq3uc7n
It's fair to let the notes get tested.
We must clear all doubts
@@rslin4888 That would be great to get the notes tested then the truth can finally slap all those who think the WP leadership is lying in the face.
@@skydragon23101979
I think it is fair to get the notes tested
Afteall witnesses are expected to being in authenticated notes
@@rslin4888 Yup I wholeheartedly agree it’s fair to authenticate the notes. Because once the notes are proven real then the case can be put to rest that all the while it has been RK that was lying and nothing to do with the WP leadership. It also shows the efficiency of the WP leadership and the hypocrisy of this panel.
She can say whatever she wants. The fact is that lying seems to be common in WP. No one can be trusted in the party.
oral evidence
This 28min of evidence provided mainly by Sylvia Lim, is very substantial material, cannot be ignored.
Stop hidiing la speak up the truth WP
She was obviously hiding.
Absent for the whole period.
Hiding the truth that she knew the lie on 8th Aug
Cannot be trusted
The revelation of RK's mental condition by Sylvia reminds me of the plot of the Netflix movie "Fractured". I should watch that movie again.
Well done Sylvia, WP's MVP for this COP.
Any parties core responsibilies is to the public and the public spaces and needs which they are tasks to perform.
If they is a fire or wall collaspe from a HDB Building or slippy floor on ramp or steps on stair, broken lift or pests invade, the MP should be spending managing these issues - a 28 yo MP has a lot of common space to take care when he or she is assigned.
PA's executive reponsible for public space, public and using many young grassroot.
Does PA leader need to hold the responsibilies if a 28 yo branch manager lie or falsehood ? The cases of the over purchases of speedometer? Resulted in lost of million of public funds. Base on AGO yearly finding. Can COP be run full time and address all finding??
"Stay on, what people think of minority women", she should have just done her work, don't talk like Faisal Manap is ok, he's now the vice-chair in WP.
Miss Lim explain the littany of Raeesah her missteps and all is not a good thing for WP ah, y'all candidate selection quite the jialat. Some party heng the candidate never went to nomination, you suai suai keep one year.
And based on the way Pritam told her to do, y'all say it is up to Raessah to lie or tell the truth, eh, this one hor of course is the MP responsible for it. She's 26, not underaged, then who responsible for what comes out of her mouth?
How about ex speaker of Parliament Michael Palmer adultery? PAP selection?
@@HG-kn3hb PM Lee and the CEC got told Michael Palmer to commit adultery ah ?
@@MrHakim311 I am referring on the selection since the original post was on WP poor selection of Khan. Was MP a hypocrite as long as he was not found out?
@@HG-kn3hb u list only one ah
@@MrBoliao98 wah you want to dig PAP history. Ok lah, give you two big guns - Teh Cheang Wan and Devan Nair.
Wayang 2
Too many speculations and predictions from C O P.
No one habe any evidence for anything so only can speculate to find fault. How to proof RK wasnt lying even after being caught. How to proof she did.