What a pity that Anne didn't imagine herself as being the loyal wife of the King for over 20 years and seeing herself displaced by some young, gold-digging nightmare such as herself. In fact, Anne said she'd "rather see Catherine hang." I believe Anne orchestrated her own destruction in trying to orchestrate the destruction of the one woman who was in her way. Poor Catherine of Aragon. I don't feel sorry for Anne whatsoever!
I get why you say that, but Henry kind of forced her into the position so she had come so far, why would she pull back from the position of queen in reach?
Personally, I think Anne did fear she'd become like Catherine. Imo, that's why Anne was so determined to make contrasts btw herself and Catherine and be rude to Catherine. I view her comments more as overcompensating (and fear leading to anger) than arrogance. Also like Elisa said Henry kind of forced Anne into that position, Anne wanted to marry Henry Percy but she couldn't and Anne's sister, Mary, was a walking cautionary tale of what happens when a girl sleeps around too much at that time. I don't blame either woman; it was Henry's fault.
Exactly. When men are 6 yrs older no one bats an eyelid. And women do NOT have less time so stop with the crap. A man reaches late 20s and his sperm quality drops. We are seeing more disabled children and those witj mental health issues because men think they can have kids so late. Women having less chance of pregnancy is rubbish pushed by certain ageist industries. being able to produce sperm forever does not mean you can have kids forever lol. Not healthy ones. Plus all the stuff claiming women become infertile quick is based on 16th 17th and 18th century science which is outdated
Coco Pops women seemed to be fertile for a shorter period of time in that era...and life expectancy was so short. She did not get pregnant after 1518 when she was only about 33 and you know they were trying. He was only 32 then. And he had the boy with BB in 1519 or 1520 so he was still able.
@@constancebryce1476 yes...and some historians say that Anne was born in 1499 or 1500...that would have made her 33 when they married. When he replaced her, she would have been 36 (!). If that's true, he must have realized that she was just about out of time.
@@leanie9660 Yes, Anne was likely born in 1501, which is why she was rushing Henry to annul his marriage to Catherine. She was already 32 when she finally became Queen. She was nearing 35 when she suffered her last miscarriage, and remember, Catherine was going on 33 when she had her final pregnancy. Henry's mother, Elizabeth of York, died from childbirth at 37, and Catherine Parr died from childbirth at 36. The thirties were the Bermuda Triangle for pregnant women at that time.
Henry was not shy about acknowledging out of wedlock children, as he freely recognized Henry Fitzroy, his son by Bessie Blount. He would have recognized Henry Carey if he truly believed him to be his son.
The miscarriage on the day of Katherine's funeral, the rumor that Catherine was poisoned, Anne's nasty behavior to princess Mary, her unguarded comments to Henry Norris and William Breton = downfall and execution.
@ozzyhead73 I'm afraid I must disagree. Henry brought no stability to England: his reign and that of his successors was marked by a series of rebellions, brought about largely by the inconsistency and ineptitude of his "carrot-and-stick" ruling style and the contradictory nature of his testamentary "settlement." To blame his nobles is to blame Henry; it was his job to keep them in check. As a man of his times, he compares poorly with his contemporaries, Charles V and Suleiman the Magnificent.
Versipelles He was the causeof those religious rebellions. Her desire for a male heir bled England almost for a century. If only he was content with Mary like Ferdinand and Isabella was with their dughters and give his daughter love and stability in life Mary would have been the next Isabella de Castille. It was both in her genedes and her mother, as was her grandmother, was a strong defender of female's rights for education and would have raised her very educated(Catherine herself was an highly educated person, some even say even more so than Henry, herself and an intellectual. Not just pious and boring. She learned from the first female profesor working in a university while in Spain, was the first female ambassador in Europe's history, ruled England, won a goddamn war in full armour while pregnant.) Henry destroyed both Mary and England.
@stevenc08 How was Henry a good king to England? He devalued the currency, involved the country in pointless foreign campaigns, wrecked the national welfare system represented by the great monasteries and hospitals, needlessly imported a religious controversy that tore England into factions for centuries, killed quite a number of people, and died miserably. Well, I suppose that last WAS a benefit to England.
Henry fathered two sons by mistresses, one by Bessie Blount and another by Anne's sister Mary. Katherine was much older than he was and Anne was in her 30s when they finally married. The stress she put herself in probably caused her miscarriages. She would get so worked up over the simplest things and drs now will tell you stress can harm the baby.
I can't find parts 3 and 4, but did find part 5. Did the others get taken down? :( I've been looking all over for this David Starkey documentary and this is the closest I've come to finding it.
I'm not sure whether Catherine's devotion was more to her religion or Henry...a man with Henry's ego and belief that his reign was deigned by God would not like his wife not acknowleding his own belief that he should be answerable to God only not the Pope
Infant mortality was so very high then yet Katherine and Anne suffered inordinate miscarriages and stillbirths. Was something wrong with his 'little swimmers'. Have read that he may have had syphilis. Not really buying that.
@Versipelles the world is grey, nothing is as simple as it seems, granted henry was a tyrant and died with serious blood on his hands, but he also brought, though thru violent means, some stability to the country, and all the violence and innocent victims werent all his fault, the nobles who wanted to break with rome and rob the monasteries for theyre wealth were just as culpable! i agree with a lot of what you say, but were all subject to the times we live in, he was a man of his time! PEACE!
ozzyhead73 do you mean a over a century long religious rebellions and civil war + enmity with the WHOLE MF EUROPE that bled England with the word stability. I WISH THAT KIND OF STABILITY ON YOUR LIFE
Beautiful, I love the use of different films depicting Henry and anne. Some I never even knew existed. Thank you
What a pity that Anne didn't imagine herself as being the loyal wife of the King for over 20 years and seeing herself displaced by some young, gold-digging nightmare such as herself. In fact, Anne said she'd "rather see Catherine hang." I believe Anne orchestrated her own destruction in trying to orchestrate the destruction of the one woman who was in her way. Poor Catherine of Aragon. I don't feel sorry for Anne whatsoever!
I get why you say that, but Henry kind of forced her into the position so she had come so far, why would she pull back from the position of queen in reach?
Personally, I think Anne did fear she'd become like Catherine. Imo, that's why Anne was so determined to make contrasts btw herself and Catherine and be rude to Catherine. I view her comments more as overcompensating (and fear leading to anger) than arrogance. Also like Elisa said Henry kind of forced Anne into that position, Anne wanted to marry Henry Percy but she couldn't and Anne's sister, Mary, was a walking cautionary tale of what happens when a girl sleeps around too much at that time. I don't blame either woman; it was Henry's fault.
I agree and Anne was a monster to Mary I.
Its also well documented that her son was born well before her affaire w/Henry ever started. Most historians reject that he was Henrys.
Thank you! I've been looking for this!
Catherine was only six years older than Henry. That's not really that much older.
Renee Pigeon ....well, sure it is. If the aim is to procreate, a woman has a much shorter fertile period than a man.
Exactly. When men are 6 yrs older no one bats an eyelid.
And women do NOT have less time so stop with the crap. A man reaches late 20s and his sperm quality drops. We are seeing more disabled children and those witj mental health issues because men think they can have kids so late. Women having less chance of pregnancy is rubbish pushed by certain ageist industries. being able to produce sperm forever does not mean you can have kids forever lol. Not healthy ones.
Plus all the stuff claiming women become infertile quick is based on 16th 17th and 18th century science which is outdated
Coco Pops women seemed to be fertile for a shorter period of time in that era...and life expectancy was so short. She did not get pregnant after 1518 when she was only about 33 and you know they were trying. He was only 32 then. And he had the boy with BB in 1519 or 1520 so he was still able.
@@constancebryce1476 yes...and some historians say that Anne was born in 1499 or 1500...that would have made her 33 when they married. When he replaced her, she would have been 36 (!). If that's true, he must have realized that she was just about out of time.
@@leanie9660 Yes, Anne was likely born in 1501, which is why she was rushing Henry to annul his marriage to Catherine. She was already 32 when she finally became Queen. She was nearing 35 when she suffered her last miscarriage, and remember, Catherine was going on 33 when she had her final pregnancy. Henry's mother, Elizabeth of York, died from childbirth at 37, and Catherine Parr died from childbirth at 36. The thirties were the Bermuda Triangle for pregnant women at that time.
Its never been proven that Mary Boleyn Carrys son was Henrys. He certainly never acknowledged him as so. Yet, he did his son w/Bessie B.
Henry was not shy about acknowledging out of wedlock children, as he freely recognized Henry Fitzroy, his son by Bessie Blount. He would have recognized Henry Carey if he truly believed him to be his son.
The miscarriage on the day of Katherine's funeral, the rumor that Catherine was poisoned, Anne's nasty behavior to princess Mary, her unguarded comments to Henry Norris and William Breton = downfall and execution.
@ozzyhead73 I'm afraid I must disagree. Henry brought no stability to England: his reign and that of his successors was marked by a series of rebellions, brought about largely by the inconsistency and ineptitude of his "carrot-and-stick" ruling style and the contradictory nature of his testamentary "settlement." To blame his nobles is to blame Henry; it was his job to keep them in check. As a man of his times, he compares poorly with his contemporaries, Charles V and Suleiman the Magnificent.
Versipelles He was the causeof those religious rebellions. Her desire for a male heir bled England almost for a century. If only he was content with Mary like Ferdinand and Isabella was with their dughters and give his daughter love and stability in life Mary would have been the next Isabella de Castille. It was both in her genedes and her mother, as was her grandmother, was a strong defender of female's rights for education and would have raised her very educated(Catherine herself was an highly educated person, some even say even more so than Henry, herself and an intellectual. Not just pious and boring. She learned from the first female profesor working in a university while in Spain, was the first female ambassador in Europe's history, ruled England, won a goddamn war in full armour while pregnant.) Henry destroyed both Mary and England.
Muy interesante, Ana una reina hermosa que siempre estara en nuestros corazones.
It wasn't solely for romance, it gave Henry a reason to remove himself from the power of the Catholic church and the sovereignty of the Pope.
Henry requested and received a Papal dispensation to marry Katherine of Aragon. It was a love match.
Then H8 expected the Pope to rescind a decision?
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Popes were corrupt and would probably have done it for enough money
@@leanie9660 The convenient answer to everything.
@stevenc08 How was Henry a good king to England? He devalued the currency, involved the country in pointless foreign campaigns, wrecked the national welfare system represented by the great monasteries and hospitals, needlessly imported a religious controversy that tore England into factions for centuries, killed quite a number of people, and died miserably. Well, I suppose that last WAS a benefit to England.
And they are happily Protestant. RIGHT?
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@@clare5one last time I looked Catholicism and Islam are more popular than protestantism in England.
Man, they are brutal with casting Catherine in this one lol...the courtroom scene
Henry fathered two sons by mistresses, one by Bessie Blount and another by Anne's sister Mary. Katherine was much older than he was and Anne was in her 30s when they finally married. The stress she put herself in probably caused her miscarriages. She would get so worked up over the simplest things and drs now will tell you stress can harm the baby.
Girl gamer MUCH 😂😂😂 only 6 years
She derved what she teared her ass for to serve to her mistress her Queen, and her country's heir. A traitor so befittingly got the traitor's end.
I can't find parts 3 and 4, but did find part 5. Did the others get taken down? :( I've been looking all over for this David Starkey documentary and this is the closest I've come to finding it.
I'm not sure whether Catherine's devotion was more to her religion or Henry...a man with Henry's ego and belief that his reign was deigned by God would not like his wife not acknowleding his own belief that he should be answerable to God only not the Pope
LOVE THIS Thank u @thebullen1
Infant mortality was so very high then yet Katherine and Anne suffered inordinate miscarriages and stillbirths. Was something wrong with his 'little swimmers'. Have read that he may have had syphilis. Not really buying that.
Many ppl believe in the kell antigen theory. If that's correct then something is wrong with Henry's swimmers.
Interesting facts
I agreed
@Versipelles the world is grey, nothing is as simple as it seems, granted henry was a tyrant and died with serious blood on his hands, but he also brought, though thru violent means, some stability to the country, and all the violence and innocent victims werent all his fault, the nobles who wanted to break with rome and rob the monasteries for theyre wealth were just as culpable! i agree with a lot of what you say, but were all subject to the times we live in, he was a man of his time! PEACE!
ozzyhead73 what stability 😂😂
ozzyhead73 do you mean a over a century long religious rebellions and civil war + enmity with the WHOLE MF EUROPE that bled England with the word stability. I WISH THAT KIND OF STABILITY ON YOUR LIFE