IMPORTANT CORRECTION: Unfortunately I didn't realize my mistake in the model number until after the video was uploaded. This is actually an RBX170, and NOT a TRBX174. They are very similar, but this one is an older version from 20 years ago. You can still get the TRBX174 (again, almost identical) for $219.99.
I bought an RBX270 years ago from a pawn shop in Texas and Jaco'd it into a fretless with EMG-X pickups and it is my absolute favorite bass of mine. Haven't seen another one similar in years!
Nuno Bettencourt told the story of how he got to play Eddie Van Halen's guitar and rig and he disappointingly did NOT sound anything like EVH. He realized that Eddie's tone came from his playing.
I think it's about the setup and if it has a good neck. Electronics can be replaced. I think the neck and string spacing are most important. The wood is not as important.
Yamaha basses are so consistent in terms of quality. You never get a dud Yamaha. I've had many over the years, at both ends of their price range and every one has been excellent
Yamaha guitars are super underrated. My current cheapest bass is a Yamaha BB424X and it’s a joy to play. It feels good and sounds great. There’s nothing to complain about at all, and it’s sort of acting as a backup to my main bass which is a Reverend Mercalli 4. My main isn’t a $10K handmade bass, but I’d have no issue switching back and forth between them.
Yamaha and Ibanez basses of that price point and era punch way above their weight class man, super surprising. Though, it helps when you’re the one playing it lol you could make shoe laces sound musical.
The takeaway from this video: It doesn't matter what you've got as long as you're thumpin'. I started on a Rogue LX460 (6-string pro model) that I got FREE. It was surprisingly good after I did a setup (removed excessive backbow with truss rod, intoned, lowered the action and new strings). I recently upgraded to a LTD B-205, but not 'cause I needed to.
This is a cool coincidence! I’m back visiting my parents and my old Yamaha RBX270J is there and I picked it up yesterday and forgot how easy it was to play, I remember mine to be a great versatile instrument that really helped me to learn a lot of the fundamentals of playing. I did a lot of firsts and milestones with it too, first gig, first recording, my Grade 8 bass, my audition for music college. It was a great bass for the first 5 years of my bass playing life before I bought my Music Man StingRay 5.
Yamaha entry level series basses are really good, when parents asked me what they should invest for their kid to learn bass on, I always told them « if they like it, buy them a Yamaha RBX (now TRBX), if they’re more into the vintage vibe then a Squier, but Yamaha is always easy to setup and service. And it always sounds good. » Many music schools here in France have Yamaha basses for that reason.
It's called The Last Dance, and you can hear it on the Bob Reynolds album "Runway" from 2020 that I wrote, played on, and produced. It's on all major streaming platforms.
I have that Yamaha, it is my first bass too! The TRBX has a headstock matching the body, the RBXes don't. Basswood body, maple neck, rosewood fingerboard, V/V/T controls. It was sitting at my parents house for years and only recently have I re-discovered it, took it to a luthier, had it set up and put a set of flats on it and I can tell you it sounds amazing. Great episode Janek, curbed my GAS a bit.
Thank you, Janke, for your time on this lesson. You just let me know that it is really not about the bass but the time you put into your instrument. The last few minutes you played were great, and to spend a little more time with it.
I have the same Yamaha bass. Really bang for your buck! I swapped all the hardware to black (Kluson tuners and a higher mass bridge) and swapped the pups to EMG GZR's. It's growling nicely! Only downside it has is that it's quite heavy. Heavier than Ibanez SR305 that I also have. I'm going to carve the body little bit to make it little lighter.
I've got a custom bass from McIntyre Guitars that's absolutely perfect for my main gig; it ticks all the boxes for me. For the rock gigs I occasionally play, I use a G&L I picked up for £400-it's Indonesian, not quite on par with the McIntyre, but still fantastic. My fretless needs are adequately met by a Warwick Rock Bass; it fits its role flawlessly and its not the waekest link in my fretless playing. While the custom McIntyre is my go-to for function gigs due to its light weight, versatility, and superb sound, each of my basses shines in its own right for specific gigs.
Well done on this vid. There are so many misconceptions about basses (eg. brands, pickups, strings, wood types, ...) that it can be difficult to weed out the BS especially for beginners (but not limited to).
As much as I would love a high end/custom made bass, I am absolutely content with my Sire V7 which I bought in 2015 for about $600 I think?. I have modded it a little bit over the years and I now consider it one of the best basses I've ever had. It is absolutely possible to buy a budget instrument these days and make it sound like it's high end.
I bought an Aria IGB30 PJ 22 years ago - similar price, spec and colour to your Yamaha. Very fast slim neck, been rewired, pickups upgraded, dents and chips all over, buckle rash on the back but I love playing it. Huge fun to play and I love the neck. I have a Fender Jazz now which I also love.
Great video! Would be interested in hearing the Yamaha with new strings and a repaired output jack, perhaps.used on a gg as you suggested. Or would changing the strings take away the vibe that you are enjoying?
I’ve just got back the 1st bass I ever bought - I heard it was being scrapped and being taken to the dump. A 1991 fretless Bass Collection, made in Japan. I’ve replaced the tuners, rewired the electrics, new flatwounds, adjusted the neck relief and the string and pickup height. It’s sounding sooo good. It makes me feel happy and excited and peaceful when I play it - never had that before with any instrument. I’ve completed fallen in love with it and am addicted to it - haven’t touched any other bass this week. Have managed to shoehorn it into a wedding ceremony gig this weekend, some classic hymns and 90’s songs, it just FITS!! I have some replacement electronics on the way as there’s two ‘DFA’ knobs (but at least it’s nominally working now!!). By the time it’s repaired and giggable it’ll have cost £300 - which for a ‘new’ bass is a snip! Long way to say - if it makes you wanna play it and it sounds good, then it’s a great bass!
A few years ago I had a period of financial difficulties and had to buy a cheap bass. I found and bought a used Yamaha TRBX-174, it was surprisingly good! Felt great, sounded great, 24 frets, good balance (no neckdive).
I got entry level Yamaha, RBX374, bought it as fretless and apart from the sharp grub screw ends for the bridge the hardware and the electronics are superb and smooth, the build quality of them made me reconsider my main bass and then I made an upgrade which I am very happy with. I also covered the fretboard with super glue for brighter mwah and longer sustain, it was a fun mod.
Hey Janek, i think there is a huge difference in this basses and i wanted to share with you that actually im working with a luthier to make my own custom bass and its like HEAVELY inspired in you and yours bass... not with intention to copy you, im not even a professional bassist but i really dig your work and im trying to get kind your sound, you are a huge inspiration for me, i could get a little nerdy talking about woods and electronics but i dont know if you would be interested, well... that's all, huge fan from dominican republic, keep up the great work
Yessss Meshell, Plantations Lullabies is one of my favorite albums of all time. She got me interested in playing bass in the 90's. Don't know why it took me over 25 years to actually start learning. Better late than never 😁
I've still got my first RBX-170. It really is an outstanding bass and gets used for about 80% of my recording sessions. Never been in love with the modern look but it sounds killer and feels great!
I selected a TRBX505 as my first bass because as a pianist, the build quality and consistency I've experienced with Yamaha instruments is high. When I walk in and see a Yamaha C1 grand, I know exactly what I'm getting (assuming its been maintained). Recently recorded some tracks with my TRBX505 and was extremely pleased with the sound I was able to dial in.
I’ve got a green one of these the same age. It was my first bass and as a lefty I didn’t have a lot of choice. I’ve had plenty of others over the last 20 years but the Yamaha is never going anywhere. Still sounds great for a £200 (in the UK) bass. Love the video. And I can only dream of adding a Mattisson to the collection 😂
Imho your Mattisson is the most beautiful Bass I´ve ever seen and it´s so right that it´s is in your skillful hands! That grain structure... and concerning the Yamaha - the tone is in the fingers (according to the last Dirty Loops song "Run Away" ;-) Maybe trying new flats on the Yamaha? The biggest difference in the price point is wether the instruments are made in large numbers in low wages countries or in small numbers by manufacturers in "developed countries", right?
That is an RBX170, TRBX174 is a newer model :) Also I think that is - Tone, Balance, Volume knobs. My first base is a RBX270 in exact the same colour! Got it about 18 years ago and It was lovely to play :) The neck is slim and fast, loved 24 frets range :) I left it at my parent's house which I no longer have access. But some day may get it back :) And yes, I remember it was much brighter, so a new string would be lovely :)
@@janekgwizdala well I believe those 2 models pretty much the same, so I don't think it makes a difference. But I like the new headstock a bit more :) The controls, are interesting, I thought they were the same as on the 270 model, I'm wrong then :)
I bought TRBX305 as my first bass. I'm an old retired tuba player trying to teach myself to play bass. Not very good but loving every minute I have the bass strapped on.
I LOVE Yamaha entry level basses. My first half decent bass was a Yamaha RBX765a. The onboard preamp is a bit of a weakness but otherwise they were just amazing instruments for the money. And I reckon the body shape and headstocks look great. Very, very fond memories of them.
That bass is the Rbx170, the following model is The Trbx174 that was my first bass , both basses are the same the only diference is the color of the headstock and both are amazing, you just need to give it a proper set up and it is good to gig and record. I still have it and i play it from time to time.
The input jack might be very simple, if it's not a wiring issue, it may just be there is a bit of corrosion on the contact points. Wrap some sandpaper (180-220) around a small dowel that can fit inside and just give the contact points some sanding!
I have a custom made Moll 5 string bass that is irreplaceable (maybe $3500 in late 90's. The builder passed a few years back.), and an 7 year old Ibanez TMB , a fretless Chandler Jazz bass I bought in the early 90's and I recently bought an 85 Ibanez RB850. The 40 year old bass has become my go to, in the few months since I bought it. A bass that was $600 in 1985 would be pretty expensive at that time. I've taken it on every gig since I got it. The Yamaha basses have always been fantastic. I really liked the BB series basses back in the day.
This actually looks like a Yamaha RBX170, considering it was made somewhere in 00's. My very first bass at 12 years old was a Yamaha just like this one, but in blue! Agathis body, maple neck and rosewood board.
I agree, it is a RBX, not a newer TRBX (they have the RBX body shape and the TRB headstock). I have a black RBX260 (passive P-style) that I bought new around 2000 for £199. Still going strong. I also have a later red RBX374 (active twin humbucker) that I bought from a work colleague about 10 years ago. These two are the ones that spend the most time at home within easy reach as they are really playable.
ah, didn't know that. I saw it looking so incredibly identical in every way on the sweetwater site and didn't realize this is an older model. Might have something to do with how nice it plays? Slightly older and player in perhaps?
I got started on a very similar bass (RBX 270J) 16 years ago. I still have that bass and play it regularly, even for gigs. The neck just feels like home...
i have the Yamaha TRBX304 so the double humbucker version and i love it, yea i have my home build jazz bass with EMG JAX pickups with a far better body and neck despite if I could get my hands on a Sandberg body I would change it (the "lap formed" one), it's still a constant battle which one to pick up the Yamaha even the cheaper ones really do outplay their price class by quite a margin
get some super light half rounds on that thing and set it up. TBX tone pot and smiles. i'm still a beginner with a bass but I can play guitar and ukulele pretty well.. really liked the ESP eclipse ec-54 with just the humbucker and ATB1. didn't have a familiar tone but it sounded good and played nice enough. had an old Vantage 24 fret pj that was great with 45-95 rounds. similar ways as this.
My 1st bass was a Yamaha RBX260 p bass for 200 bucks. I will always regret selling it 20 years ago. I wasn’t happy with the sound at the time, but I eventually realized that it was my technique and ear which needed improvement.
Would be really interesting to hear how much closer the Yamaha got to the Mattison if you slapped some Aguilar pickups in it. But then again, the pickups prob cost more than the bass 😁
I have a lot of videos like these in my channel. In Portuguese, of course. It is important to mention that for the Brazilian social and economic reality, it is important to emphasize that the music is more important then the "instrument"it self. :-)
I remember in the late 80' / early 90's cheap gear was not usually very good. There were gems but most was just rough. That's not true at all anymore. I have a couple Squier basses that sound great. The trade off is in things like weight (both are tanks) and fit and finish (both needed fret ends taken down). I modded one with new pickups, wiring harness, tuners, etc and it's fantastic, just heavy.
I acquired the identical bass in January just black just because I wanted a 4 string bass and not break the bank, and I CANNOT complain about the tone and it's playability. Very uncomplicated no battery issues, I'm no note worthy Bassist but I endorse this bass. Yamaha is quality without the bells and whistles, if they made underwear I'd wear it because Yamaha is quality. I have a Marcus Miller M7 5 string and KSD 5 string to compare the Yamaha too and i also owned in the past a Yamaha TRB 5 string so i have some quality/tones to compare it too, again i have no issues with this bass, Reuel Daniel from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹
That’s an RBX170. I had an identical one. In fact I had a couple back in the day. Absolutely great basses, regardless of the price, so much so I bought my daughter one for £100 recently. Nicely set up, they really nice basses.
I already knew :D Yamaha's basses are just absolutely fantastic, regardless of the model or price. While there are a bunch of cheap basses that are just absolute stinkers, in more recent years, affordable instruments quality has just skyrocketed! All of my instruments are of the affordable variety - a mid-90's made-in-Mexico P-Bass (which has rivaled or beat most american Fender P's I've tried, bought used for $180), an Ibanez TMB35 (quirky little short scale 5-string P/J bass that I bought new for $250; only downside is the selection of 5-string short scale sets of strings is rather limited), a Sterling by Music Man Ray35 (which I modified to move the neck humbucker back next to the classic bridge pickup position, like your Mattisson! I'm in the process of rewiring it to be passive, with switches for series/single/parallel for each pickup), and a Squier Classic Vibe P-Bass with a DiMarzio 60s P pickup (I refinished the neck with a much thinner finish than the plastic-y stock finish). I'm also on Team Chelsea when it comes to frequency of replacing strings... 😅 BUT. I'd be lying if I said I didn't ever consider having a custom bass made. My main (and ever-present) hang-up is option paralysis.
I had that bass in blue in like 2003. Wasn't my first though. First was a Regal from the sears wishbook when I was 12 in 97. 2nd was a Jay turser Jazz copy in 2000, and then the blue yamaha.
The problems with cheap instruments are that the wood selection isn't as stringent, and usually cheaper species and grades with poor grain orientation, the fretwork is often poor (which can be fixed), the hardware quality is marginal, especially the tuners (which can be replaced). But, if you get a good one, they will still sound good, and if the setup is good, you'll be able to play it without any problems. A few minutes with a soldering iron will repair that crackling output jack. and actually it wouldn't take much to wholesale replace the entire set of pots and the output jack with better quality parts and work to make it more reliable. I have a Squier mini guitar that I picked up at a yard sale for $35, and apart from the fact that the tuners just don't stay in tune, it plays fine and sounds fine, and if I replaced the tuners, I'd happily play a gig with it, especially because the whole reason I got it is that it has a 22.72" scale and is a great platform for experimenting with alternate tunings-in this case, I took off the outer strings, so it has four strings tuned to octave mandolin tuning, GDAE, in fifths.
For me I usually aim for the 1k range sit and play with it stock for 2-3 years then upgrade. I have a discontinued Ibanez SRSC806 purchased in 2019 and last year I changed the pick ups and preamp as well as lighter tuning machines and she sings now.
Bought a custom bass it's amazing and great for the studio and when you have a sound engineer. but it seems most people I dep with want a really low end that comes off the sire bass so that gets asked for live at weddings and pubs
Janek one of my all time life long hero’s is Mike Watt ( Minutemen, Iggy & the stooges, MSSV, porno for pyros, il sogno del Marino) the most original bass player and writer from the early 80s punk scene. He totally has his own sound and approach. His hero is John Coltrane . He’s been playing recently in MSSV with Guitar player Mike Bagatta . Beautiful Improv based punk jazz. He’s a lovely guy to . Known him for years and the world needs to know more about him . He’s in Cali too. San Pedro
He's one of my all-time favorites. I would love to sit down with him and chat one day. Only got to meet him backstage very briefly at one of those Bass Player Live Events in Los Angeles we were both playing.
I think it’s a combination of the player and the bass. Janek is going to sound good playing just about anything. But Yamaha makes gear that’s a great value also. In fact I believe the John Patitucci signature bass is as good as a lot of basses that cost twice as much. I also love my Yamaha MX keyboard. Motif sounds for a super affordable price
I prefer the higher action because it increases the sonic range almost beyond recognition. When you have a fairly conventional technique, as most of us do, the higher action allows the string to vibrate more and gives me way more choices for sound. There are some exceptions like Gary Willis, who have an incredibly low action and still get an amazing sound. But that is very rare and very specific.
I bought my daughter a Squier Jazz Bass$299 and I was pleasantly surprised how well it played and sounded. I play 2 or 3 more bases from the Sims Music and I think someone must have mixed up something because my daughters bass was as good if not better than any of the Mexican made $800 plus basses.
Great players always sound like great players. I’m not surprised you sound good on that Yamaha. You are a great player and even cheap Yamahas are really solid instruments.
I bought a yamaha bb1000 in 1982 for £250 in favour of a fender jazz because it had a hard case, i still have it (sadly the case rotted) and play it sometimes on gigs, never played a bad sounding Yamaha bass
Looking forward to the Brian Beller interview, awesome guy & I tell you what,Lee Sklar would give you all the time in the world, he's the nicest guy you could ever want to meet.❤
I know Bryan very well and had him on my channel about 12 years ago, very much looking forward to that. I know Lee less well, but I 100% agree on how he's one of the nicest cats you could ever hope to meet.
@@janekgwizdalaAwesome man,some great content coming up no doubt,stay safe on the road man & cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 PS when you coming down here? I know it's a long drive though.
I have the p-version of that bass and I never thought I would see a real bass player review it. My first bass I got at 14, 20 something years ago, still play it.
Literally that Yamaha is the same model as my first bass was... mine was just transparent laquier and looked more like a piece of wood :) It was actaully playable and I liked it overall but I had a chance to get a much much better bass for cheap, so I didn't have it for too long...
Yamaha's are criminally underated. They hands down have the highest quality per price. I bought a trbx305 thinking it would be cheap. It's better than most $2000 basses. Almost needed no setup. Amazing quality.
We're in an era where almost all production basses are made using CNC technology with very tight tolerances. It's rare to get a real trash instrument, in any price range. Even with a cheap instrument, you take it to a luthier to do some fret work, set it up properly and it's usually good to go.
Hello Janek, was wondering if you have a total beginner book available, like I am super noob and really want to learn. Any suggestion will be well appreciated.
I think a great place to start would be learning to read music, so my book Bass Player's Guide to Sigh Reading might be of some help to you: janekgwizdala.com/store/p/sightreading
I had this bass. With a good technique like Janek's you could make it sound great. But over time you will get tired of it - the finish, the components, its inability to make a sound a better quality bass can make. Expensive basses give back over time, not immediately. You have to pay a lot of money for subtle differences. You can play tennis with a wooden Maxply Fort tennis racket, and it might be fun in the short term but you'll want to go back to a more modern racket before long.
My favorite bass right now and probably my favorite bass I have ever played only cost me 1000 bucks. I even have more expensive basses, and they just are not the same and don't feel as good to me. It's a charvel pro mod san Dimas 5 string.
I think Harley Benton is the new cheap Yamaha of 2024, would love to get a modern day "cheap bass" comparison in a follow up video, but I must admit sounds like that ol' Yamaha is still punchin' well above its weight 😎
That is something I have in the works right now. I've really only done videos about pedals which are far easier to get from companies than basses. But I think some modern "cheap" basses would be great to play and compare.
Great video! Too many stories A&Bing great equipment and budget equipment. Jaco not using my SJE instructor’s bass on a gig because it was awful (instructor is a drummer), a band leader giving everyone extra cash from the band budget because violin player and I took our B team instruments to a festival gig while our main axes were in the shop he wanted to make sure we could pay to get our instruments back), a show where a teenage band’s songwriting was amazing but their tone sounded awful because they were using crate amps and wal mart guitars, I can go on. But this video shows the player > the instrument build. You can’t replace a custom shop bass with a $200 Yamaha, but you can get calls for gigs.
I've had a like $350 5-string squier p-bass and it sounds great, holds tune, and has played awesome for going on 8 years. I played it hard, even through my teenage years where I didn't take care of it. But now, I'm starting to have similar electrical issues. I think the lower price starts to show in longevity. But for normal bass playing in a mix, it's really hard to sound bad as long as you hit right notes, are in tune, and have a decent sound guy. I think your hand made basses are definitely art work but I think the law of diminishing return as far as pure functionality and longevity is around that $1000 mark. A LOT to be said for "cheap" basses. Especially these days
I picked it because it's calm, inviting, and not in your face. It's so obvious to have some slap lick or rock chord at the beginning of what a lot of people consider to be a bass podcast. But this is neither a bass podcast, or that obvious most of the time, so I thought it fit nicely.
@@janekgwizdala it is a nice song! It is really cool to hear from you directly, you do great work, thank you for all you’ve done for the bass community!
Those old Yamahas are absolutely worth their price. I bought a 5-strkng some 25 years ago, and it's still my go-to bass. I've taken better care of it though.
we in germany had a thing where the goverment gave every 18 year old 200€ which could be used for cultureral events or buy instruments and i bought a 170€ bass and new strings. It sounds realy great but the neck is impossible to adjust for a good string action. You need some extra bucks to level the frets or something but then it is absolutly a great bass.
With new strings and a setup (and a new jack) - 4 strings, 2 octave range - it’s all you need :-) But, if you have a choice of a Casio G-Shock or a Rolex Explorer… what are you gonna take?
Yamaha have a way to make inexpensive instruments that are quite nice to play, and sound good. Their middle end (like the TRBX 605) models are quite good, and can make a run for the money on some american classics.
IMPORTANT CORRECTION: Unfortunately I didn't realize my mistake in the model number until after the video was uploaded. This is actually an RBX170, and NOT a TRBX174. They are very similar, but this one is an older version from 20 years ago. You can still get the TRBX174 (again, almost identical) for $219.99.
Alder body, maple neck and rosewood fingerboard. All Yamaha RBXs were built with these materials.
I bought an RBX270 years ago from a pawn shop in Texas and Jaco'd it into a fretless with EMG-X pickups and it is my absolute favorite bass of mine. Haven't seen another one similar in years!
This is actually my first bass. It's actually a year older than me and I love it, awesome bass. I really enjoyed the video, thank you
You just proved that it’s really about the person playing the bass. You made that Yamaha bass sound incredible.
Came here to say that
He can probably play a noodle and still sound good! 😂
Nuno Bettencourt told the story of how he got to play Eddie Van Halen's guitar and rig and he disappointingly did NOT sound anything like EVH. He realized that Eddie's tone came from his playing.
As they say it is not the arrow but the Indian that determines success! Proved it again Janek!
I think it's about the setup and if it has a good neck. Electronics can be replaced. I think the neck and string spacing are most important. The wood is not as important.
Yamaha basses are so consistent in terms of quality. You never get a dud Yamaha. I've had many over the years, at both ends of their price range and every one has been excellent
Moral of the episode "and gues what, sounds like a fucking bass" 😁 Love it Janek, really good stuff!
I learned to play on a Yamaha just like that one. Same finish 😁 I still have it back home in Peru
Yamaha guitars are super underrated. My current cheapest bass is a Yamaha BB424X and it’s a joy to play. It feels good and sounds great. There’s nothing to complain about at all, and it’s sort of acting as a backup to my main bass which is a Reverend Mercalli 4. My main isn’t a $10K handmade bass, but I’d have no issue switching back and forth between them.
Yamaha and Ibanez basses of that price point and era punch way above their weight class man, super surprising. Though, it helps when you’re the one playing it lol you could make shoe laces sound musical.
@@DigitalNomad85 Yeah, my first and only bass is Ibanez SR305e - lovely instrument, very versatile and comfy to play, even for a non-bassist ;)
I had an RBX250F that I got new in about 1994, it was beautiful sounding and amazing value! Wish I still had it.
The takeaway from this video:
It doesn't matter what you've got as long as you're thumpin'. I started on a Rogue LX460 (6-string pro model) that I got FREE. It was surprisingly good after I did a setup (removed excessive backbow with truss rod, intoned, lowered the action and new strings). I recently upgraded to a LTD B-205, but not 'cause I needed to.
This is a cool coincidence! I’m back visiting my parents and my old Yamaha RBX270J is there and I picked it up yesterday and forgot how easy it was to play, I remember mine to be a great versatile instrument that really helped me to learn a lot of the fundamentals of playing. I did a lot of firsts and milestones with it too, first gig, first recording, my Grade 8 bass, my audition for music college. It was a great bass for the first 5 years of my bass playing life before I bought my Music Man StingRay 5.
Yamaha entry level series basses are really good, when parents asked me what they should invest for their kid to learn bass on, I always told them « if they like it, buy them a Yamaha RBX (now TRBX), if they’re more into the vintage vibe then a Squier, but Yamaha is always easy to setup and service. And it always sounds good. » Many music schools here in France have Yamaha basses for that reason.
11:36 This is the tune you played on SBL! Will you ever release this tune? Did you record it? It’s REALLY nice. Thx!
It's called The Last Dance, and you can hear it on the Bob Reynolds album "Runway" from 2020 that I wrote, played on, and produced. It's on all major streaming platforms.
Thank you!
I have that Yamaha, it is my first bass too! The TRBX has a headstock matching the body, the RBXes don't. Basswood body, maple neck, rosewood fingerboard, V/V/T controls. It was sitting at my parents house for years and only recently have I re-discovered it, took it to a luthier, had it set up and put a set of flats on it and I can tell you it sounds amazing. Great episode Janek, curbed my GAS a bit.
Thank you, Janke, for your time on this lesson. You just let me know that it is really not about the bass but the time you put into your instrument. The last few minutes you played were great, and to spend a little more time with it.
The yamaha pbass pick up with the old strings was pure motown
I have the same Yamaha bass. Really bang for your buck! I swapped all the hardware to black (Kluson tuners and a higher mass bridge) and swapped the pups to EMG GZR's. It's growling nicely! Only downside it has is that it's quite heavy. Heavier than Ibanez SR305 that I also have. I'm going to carve the body little bit to make it little lighter.
This is interesting!
I own a Yamaha trbx505, and honestly, it has a very nice sound and feel to it.
I've got a custom bass from McIntyre Guitars that's absolutely perfect for my main gig; it ticks all the boxes for me. For the rock gigs I occasionally play, I use a G&L I picked up for £400-it's Indonesian, not quite on par with the McIntyre, but still fantastic. My fretless needs are adequately met by a Warwick Rock Bass; it fits its role flawlessly and its not the waekest link in my fretless playing. While the custom McIntyre is my go-to for function gigs due to its light weight, versatility, and superb sound, each of my basses shines in its own right for specific gigs.
Well done on this vid. There are so many misconceptions about basses (eg. brands, pickups, strings, wood types, ...) that it can be difficult to weed out the BS especially for beginners (but not limited to).
As much as I would love a high end/custom made bass, I am absolutely content with my Sire V7 which I bought in 2015 for about $600 I think?. I have modded it a little bit over the years and I now consider it one of the best basses I've ever had. It is absolutely possible to buy a budget instrument these days and make it sound like it's high end.
I bought an Aria IGB30 PJ 22 years ago - similar price, spec and colour to your Yamaha. Very fast slim neck, been rewired, pickups upgraded, dents and chips all over, buckle rash on the back but I love playing it. Huge fun to play and I love the neck. I have a Fender Jazz now which I also love.
Great video! Would be interested in hearing the Yamaha with new strings and a repaired output jack, perhaps.used on a gg as you suggested. Or would changing the strings take away the vibe that you are enjoying?
Tough call. If I do ever change them, I'm keeping the old ones for sure!
@janekgwizdala That's awesome commitment to the tone!
I've got an old Sterling Sub that punches way above its weight. I love that bass. Sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you get lucky.
Me too! My Sterling Ray5 HH is one of my faves! Paid close to $400 brand new for it a few years ago.
The way the Mattisson "sings" is fascinating and I've just decided to finally buy a bass and get started. Great video!
I’ve just got back the 1st bass I ever bought - I heard it was being scrapped and being taken to the dump. A 1991 fretless Bass Collection, made in Japan. I’ve replaced the tuners, rewired the electrics, new flatwounds, adjusted the neck relief and the string and pickup height. It’s sounding sooo good. It makes me feel happy and excited and peaceful when I play it - never had that before with any instrument.
I’ve completed fallen in love with it and am addicted to it - haven’t touched any other bass this week. Have managed to shoehorn it into a wedding ceremony gig this weekend, some classic hymns and 90’s songs, it just FITS!!
I have some replacement electronics on the way as there’s two ‘DFA’ knobs (but at least it’s nominally working now!!).
By the time it’s repaired and giggable it’ll have cost £300 - which for a ‘new’ bass is a snip!
Long way to say - if it makes you wanna play it and it sounds good, then it’s a great bass!
A few years ago I had a period of financial difficulties and had to buy a cheap bass. I found and bought a used Yamaha TRBX-174, it was surprisingly good! Felt great, sounded great, 24 frets, good balance (no neckdive).
I got entry level Yamaha, RBX374, bought it as fretless and apart from the sharp grub screw ends for the bridge the hardware and the electronics are superb and smooth, the build quality of them made me reconsider my main bass and then I made an upgrade which I am very happy with. I also covered the fretboard with super glue for brighter mwah and longer sustain, it was a fun mod.
I use to have one of these in a 5 string version so long ago. They were great little basses.
Fun video.
I Started playing on the same Yamaha like 8 years and even though I now have two other basses, I often come back to it, I love the neck
I loved my Yamaha TRBX wish i never sold it... have Yamaha BBs now and they are epic!
Hey Janek, i think there is a huge difference in this basses and i wanted to share with you that actually im working with a luthier to make my own custom bass and its like HEAVELY inspired in you and yours bass... not with intention to copy you, im not even a professional bassist but i really dig your work and im trying to get kind your sound, you are a huge inspiration for me, i could get a little nerdy talking about woods and electronics but i dont know if you would be interested, well... that's all, huge fan from dominican republic, keep up the great work
Yessss Meshell, Plantations Lullabies is one of my favorite albums of all time. She got me interested in playing bass in the 90's. Don't know why it took me over 25 years to actually start learning. Better late than never 😁
I've still got my first RBX-170. It really is an outstanding bass and gets used for about 80% of my recording sessions. Never been in love with the modern look but it sounds killer and feels great!
I selected a TRBX505 as my first bass because as a pianist, the build quality and consistency I've experienced with Yamaha instruments is high. When I walk in and see a Yamaha C1 grand, I know exactly what I'm getting (assuming its been maintained).
Recently recorded some tracks with my TRBX505 and was extremely pleased with the sound I was able to dial in.
I’ve got a green one of these the same age. It was my first bass and as a lefty I didn’t have a lot of choice. I’ve had plenty of others over the last 20 years but the Yamaha is never going anywhere. Still sounds great for a £200 (in the UK) bass.
Love the video. And I can only dream of adding a Mattisson to the collection 😂
Imho your Mattisson is the most beautiful Bass I´ve ever seen and it´s so right that it´s is in your skillful hands! That grain structure... and concerning the Yamaha - the tone is in the fingers (according to the last Dirty Loops song "Run Away" ;-)
Maybe trying new flats on the Yamaha? The biggest difference in the price point is wether the instruments are made in large numbers in low wages countries or in small numbers by manufacturers in "developed countries", right?
That is an RBX170, TRBX174 is a newer model :) Also I think that is - Tone, Balance, Volume knobs. My first base is a RBX270 in exact the same colour! Got it about 18 years ago and It was lovely to play :) The neck is slim and fast, loved 24 frets range :) I left it at my parent's house which I no longer have access. But some day may get it back :) And yes, I remember it was much brighter, so a new string would be lovely :)
I found out I got the model number wrong after I'd uploaded the video unfortunately. But the controls are definitely Volume/Volume/Tone.
@@janekgwizdala well I believe those 2 models pretty much the same, so I don't think it makes a difference. But I like the new headstock a bit more :)
The controls, are interesting, I thought they were the same as on the 270 model, I'm wrong then :)
I bought TRBX305 as my first bass. I'm an old retired tuba player trying to teach myself to play bass. Not very good but loving every minute I have the bass strapped on.
Hello Janek, cheap Yamaha Basses have this habit of sounding good /do the job, whatever the model !
I LOVE Yamaha entry level basses. My first half decent bass was a Yamaha RBX765a. The onboard preamp is a bit of a weakness but otherwise they were just amazing instruments for the money. And I reckon the body shape and headstocks look great. Very, very fond memories of them.
I have a Yamaha RBX 204j the jack are a weakness on these I have had to replace it twice in the last 10 years so I try to keep it plugged in
That bass is the Rbx170, the following model is The Trbx174 that was my first bass , both basses are the same the only diference is the color of the headstock and both are amazing, you just need to give it a proper set up and it is good to gig and record. I still have it and i play it from time to time.
The input jack might be very simple, if it's not a wiring issue, it may just be there is a bit of corrosion on the contact points. Wrap some sandpaper (180-220) around a small dowel that can fit inside and just give the contact points some sanding!
I have a custom made Moll 5 string bass that is irreplaceable (maybe $3500 in late 90's. The builder passed a few years back.), and an 7 year old Ibanez TMB , a fretless Chandler Jazz bass I bought in the early 90's and I recently bought an 85 Ibanez RB850. The 40 year old bass has become my go to, in the few months since I bought it. A bass that was $600 in 1985 would be pretty expensive at that time. I've taken it on every gig since I got it.
The Yamaha basses have always been fantastic. I really liked the BB series basses back in the day.
This actually looks like a Yamaha RBX170, considering it was made somewhere in 00's. My very first bass at 12 years old was a Yamaha just like this one, but in blue! Agathis body, maple neck and rosewood board.
I agree, it is a RBX, not a newer TRBX (they have the RBX body shape and the TRB headstock). I have a black RBX260 (passive P-style) that I bought new around 2000 for £199. Still going strong. I also have a later red RBX374 (active twin humbucker) that I bought from a work colleague about 10 years ago. These two are the ones that spend the most time at home within easy reach as they are really playable.
ah, didn't know that. I saw it looking so incredibly identical in every way on the sweetwater site and didn't realize this is an older model.
Might have something to do with how nice it plays? Slightly older and player in perhaps?
I got started on a very similar bass (RBX 270J) 16 years ago. I still have that bass and play it regularly, even for gigs. The neck just feels like home...
i have the Yamaha TRBX304 so the double humbucker version and i love it, yea i have my home build jazz bass with EMG JAX pickups with a far better body and neck despite if I could get my hands on a Sandberg body I would change it (the "lap formed" one), it's still a constant battle which one to pick up the Yamaha even the cheaper ones really do outplay their price class by quite a margin
Woah, the list of bass players for the next episodes is epic! 😱
get some super light half rounds on that thing and set it up. TBX tone pot and smiles.
i'm still a beginner with a bass but I can play guitar and ukulele pretty well.. really liked the ESP eclipse ec-54 with just the humbucker and ATB1. didn't have a familiar tone but it sounded good and played nice enough.
had an old Vantage 24 fret pj that was great with 45-95 rounds. similar ways as this.
My 1st bass was a Yamaha RBX260 p bass for 200 bucks. I will always regret selling it 20 years ago. I wasn’t happy with the sound at the time, but I eventually realized that it was my technique and ear which needed improvement.
Very cool comparison! You know it's possible to take out a ding with a soldering iron and a wet rag, kinda steams the wood back out 😊
Would be really interesting to hear how much closer the Yamaha got to the Mattison if you slapped some Aguilar pickups in it. But then again, the pickups prob cost more than the bass 😁
I have a lot of videos like these in my channel. In Portuguese, of course. It is important to mention that for the Brazilian social and economic reality, it is important to emphasize that the music is more important then the "instrument"it self. :-)
I remember in the late 80' / early 90's cheap gear was not usually very good. There were gems but most was just rough. That's not true at all anymore. I have a couple Squier basses that sound great. The trade off is in things like weight (both are tanks) and fit and finish (both needed fret ends taken down). I modded one with new pickups, wiring harness, tuners, etc and it's fantastic, just heavy.
I acquired the identical bass in January just black just because I wanted a 4 string bass and not break the bank, and I CANNOT complain about the tone and it's playability. Very uncomplicated no battery issues, I'm no note worthy Bassist but I endorse this bass. Yamaha is quality without the bells and whistles, if they made underwear I'd wear it because Yamaha is quality. I have a Marcus Miller M7 5 string and KSD 5 string to compare the Yamaha too and i also owned in the past a Yamaha TRB 5 string so i have some quality/tones to compare it too, again i have no issues with this bass, Reuel Daniel from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹
That’s an RBX170. I had an identical one. In fact I had a couple back in the day. Absolutely great basses, regardless of the price, so much so I bought my daughter one for £100 recently. Nicely set up, they really nice basses.
The comparison is ludicrous, such a beautiful bass, the Matheson.
I already knew :D Yamaha's basses are just absolutely fantastic, regardless of the model or price. While there are a bunch of cheap basses that are just absolute stinkers, in more recent years, affordable instruments quality has just skyrocketed! All of my instruments are of the affordable variety - a mid-90's made-in-Mexico P-Bass (which has rivaled or beat most american Fender P's I've tried, bought used for $180), an Ibanez TMB35 (quirky little short scale 5-string P/J bass that I bought new for $250; only downside is the selection of 5-string short scale sets of strings is rather limited), a Sterling by Music Man Ray35 (which I modified to move the neck humbucker back next to the classic bridge pickup position, like your Mattisson! I'm in the process of rewiring it to be passive, with switches for series/single/parallel for each pickup), and a Squier Classic Vibe P-Bass with a DiMarzio 60s P pickup (I refinished the neck with a much thinner finish than the plastic-y stock finish). I'm also on Team Chelsea when it comes to frequency of replacing strings... 😅
BUT. I'd be lying if I said I didn't ever consider having a custom bass made. My main (and ever-present) hang-up is option paralysis.
My first bass was a 70 dollar squier in blue that has since discolored into a nice purple. It plays just as well as when I bought
By the way, I think the Yamaha is an old RBX 170, the TRBX is a newer version, and the body is slightly different.
Just discovered this channel, really enjoyed this 🙂
I had that bass in blue in like 2003. Wasn't my first though. First was a Regal from the sears wishbook when I was 12 in 97. 2nd was a Jay turser Jazz copy in 2000, and then the blue yamaha.
The problems with cheap instruments are that the wood selection isn't as stringent, and usually cheaper species and grades with poor grain orientation, the fretwork is often poor (which can be fixed), the hardware quality is marginal, especially the tuners (which can be replaced). But, if you get a good one, they will still sound good, and if the setup is good, you'll be able to play it without any problems. A few minutes with a soldering iron will repair that crackling output jack. and actually it wouldn't take much to wholesale replace the entire set of pots and the output jack with better quality parts and work to make it more reliable. I have a Squier mini guitar that I picked up at a yard sale for $35, and apart from the fact that the tuners just don't stay in tune, it plays fine and sounds fine, and if I replaced the tuners, I'd happily play a gig with it, especially because the whole reason I got it is that it has a 22.72" scale and is a great platform for experimenting with alternate tunings-in this case, I took off the outer strings, so it has four strings tuned to octave mandolin tuning, GDAE, in fifths.
For me I usually aim for the 1k range sit and play with it stock for 2-3 years then upgrade. I have a discontinued Ibanez SRSC806 purchased in 2019 and last year I changed the pick ups and preamp as well as lighter tuning machines and she sings now.
You can do so much with an inexpensive instrument. Most of my favorite basses are these dang "Frankensteins" that I keep coming back to.
Great video! I love my expensive handmade basses but a well setup cheap bass can be a beautiful instrument too (as you’ve just proved).
Bought a custom bass it's amazing and great for the studio and when you have a sound engineer. but it seems most people I dep with want a really low end that comes off the sire bass so that gets asked for live at weddings and pubs
It’s pretty amazing how decent the low end basses are these days. Hard to get a bad one.
Watched this video yesterday and then today saw a picture of the late great Allen Woody playing one of those Yamahas.
Janek one of my all time life long hero’s is Mike Watt ( Minutemen, Iggy & the stooges, MSSV, porno for pyros, il sogno del Marino) the most original bass player and writer from the early 80s punk scene. He totally has his own sound and approach. His hero is John Coltrane . He’s been playing recently in MSSV with Guitar player Mike Bagatta . Beautiful Improv based punk jazz.
He’s a lovely guy to . Known him for years and the world needs to know more about him . He’s in Cali too. San Pedro
He's one of my all-time favorites. I would love to sit down with him and chat one day. Only got to meet him backstage very briefly at one of those Bass Player Live Events in Los Angeles we were both playing.
I picked up a used Yamaha 4-string at a local shop for $85. The electronics weren't great, but the thing played really well.
I think it’s a combination of the player and the bass. Janek is going to sound good playing just about anything. But Yamaha makes gear that’s a great value also. In fact I believe the John Patitucci signature bass is as good as a lot of basses that cost twice as much. I also love my Yamaha MX keyboard. Motif sounds for a super affordable price
why do you prefer the action relatively so high? What is the advantage of this? I am asking because I prefer a low action as possible 🤔
I prefer the higher action because it increases the sonic range almost beyond recognition. When you have a fairly conventional technique, as most of us do, the higher action allows the string to vibrate more and gives me way more choices for sound. There are some exceptions like Gary Willis, who have an incredibly low action and still get an amazing sound. But that is very rare and very specific.
@@janekgwizdalathanks :)
It did sound good especially on the bridge pickup which isn't what I would have expected
This video confirms that I need to upgrade my skills before my bass. 🫠
I bought my daughter a Squier Jazz Bass$299 and I was pleasantly surprised how well it played and sounded. I play 2 or 3 more bases from the Sims Music and I think someone must have mixed up something because my daughters bass was as good if not better than any of the Mexican made $800 plus basses.
Great players always sound like great players. I’m not surprised you sound good on that Yamaha. You are a great player and even cheap Yamahas are really solid instruments.
I bought a yamaha bb1000 in 1982 for £250 in favour of a fender jazz because it had a hard case, i still have it (sadly the case rotted) and play it sometimes on gigs, never played a bad sounding Yamaha bass
Looking forward to the Brian Beller interview, awesome guy & I tell you what,Lee Sklar would give you all the time in the world, he's the nicest guy you could ever want to meet.❤
I know Bryan very well and had him on my channel about 12 years ago, very much looking forward to that. I know Lee less well, but I 100% agree on how he's one of the nicest cats you could ever hope to meet.
@@janekgwizdalaAwesome man,some great content coming up no doubt,stay safe on the road man & cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 PS when you coming down here? I know it's a long drive though.
I have the p-version of that bass and I never thought I would see a real bass player review it.
My first bass I got at 14, 20 something years ago, still play it.
Literally that Yamaha is the same model as my first bass was... mine was just transparent laquier and looked more like a piece of wood :) It was actaully playable and I liked it overall but I had a chance to get a much much better bass for cheap, so I didn't have it for too long...
Yamaha's are criminally underated. They hands down have the highest quality per price. I bought a trbx305 thinking it would be cheap. It's better than most $2000 basses. Almost needed no setup. Amazing quality.
We're in an era where almost all production basses are made using CNC technology with very tight tolerances. It's rare to get a real trash instrument, in any price range. Even with a cheap instrument, you take it to a luthier to do some fret work, set it up properly and it's usually good to go.
Hello Janek, was wondering if you have a total beginner book available, like I am super noob and really want to learn. Any suggestion will be well appreciated.
I think a great place to start would be learning to read music, so my book Bass Player's Guide to Sigh Reading might be of some help to you: janekgwizdala.com/store/p/sightreading
My old Yamaha RBX wasn’t “on the roster” either so I gave it away in 2005, which I later regretted. They’re great instruments 😊
I had this bass. With a good technique like Janek's you could make it sound great. But over time you will get tired of it - the finish, the components, its inability to make a sound a better quality bass can make. Expensive basses give back over time, not immediately. You have to pay a lot of money for subtle differences. You can play tennis with a wooden Maxply Fort tennis racket, and it might be fun in the short term but you'll want to go back to a more modern racket before long.
Yamaha Rbx174... Still sounds good... Yamaha is hardly matched when it comes to value
My favorite bass right now and probably my favorite bass I have ever played only cost me 1000 bucks. I even have more expensive basses, and they just are not the same and don't feel as good to me. It's a charvel pro mod san Dimas 5 string.
I think Harley Benton is the new cheap Yamaha of 2024, would love to get a modern day "cheap bass" comparison in a follow up video, but I must admit sounds like that ol' Yamaha is still punchin' well above its weight 😎
That is something I have in the works right now. I've really only done videos about pedals which are far easier to get from companies than basses. But I think some modern "cheap" basses would be great to play and compare.
Great video!
Too many stories A&Bing great equipment and budget equipment. Jaco not using my SJE instructor’s bass on a gig because it was awful (instructor is a drummer), a band leader giving everyone extra cash from the band budget because violin player and I took our B team instruments to a festival gig while our main axes were in the shop he wanted to make sure we could pay to get our instruments back), a show where a teenage band’s songwriting was amazing but their tone sounded awful because they were using crate amps and wal mart guitars, I can go on.
But this video shows the player > the instrument build. You can’t replace a custom shop bass with a $200 Yamaha, but you can get calls for gigs.
I've had a like $350 5-string squier p-bass and it sounds great, holds tune, and has played awesome for going on 8 years. I played it hard, even through my teenage years where I didn't take care of it. But now, I'm starting to have similar electrical issues. I think the lower price starts to show in longevity. But for normal bass playing in a mix, it's really hard to sound bad as long as you hit right notes, are in tune, and have a decent sound guy. I think your hand made basses are definitely art work but I think the law of diminishing return as far as pure functionality and longevity is around that $1000 mark.
A LOT to be said for "cheap" basses. Especially these days
I bought an old aria pro ii with active pickups for around 30 bucks. Sounds killer
I own one of those cheap Yamahas and I was also surprised by the sound quality.
Janek, why is the intro song an acoustic guitar song? I can’t help but wonder 🤔 thanks!
I picked it because it's calm, inviting, and not in your face. It's so obvious to have some slap lick or rock chord at the beginning of what a lot of people consider to be a bass podcast. But this is neither a bass podcast, or that obvious most of the time, so I thought it fit nicely.
@@janekgwizdala it is a nice song! It is really cool to hear from you directly, you do great work, thank you for all you’ve done for the bass community!
@@janekgwizdala I only ask because I’d except it to be some tasty melodic minor bass melody! Cheers 🍻
Is the red bass one of those budget yamaha basses made of mango wood?
It's an alder body and maple neck.
@janekgwizdala yeah, I heard you mentioned it later in the video. I didn't delete the comment to help the algorithm, lol.
Love the Peter Erskine shirt and the synth tones!
Playing on that album was a massive career highlight for me. Wish I’d grabbed a few more t shirts cos i know I’m going to wear this one out 😂
Those old Yamahas are absolutely worth their price. I bought a 5-strkng some 25 years ago, and it's still my go-to bass. I've taken better care of it though.
we in germany had a thing where the goverment gave every 18 year old 200€ which could be used for cultureral events or buy instruments and i bought a 170€ bass and new strings. It sounds realy great but the neck is impossible to adjust for a good string action. You need some extra bucks to level the frets or something but then it is absolutly a great bass.
Maybe compare the double p you just bought vs the Yamaha
With new strings and a setup (and a new jack) - 4 strings, 2 octave range - it’s all you need :-) But, if you have a choice of a Casio G-Shock or a Rolex Explorer… what are you gonna take?
I'm gonna take both, every time. 🤣 And for me it would be an AP Royal Oak Offshore Chrono... or even the Concept if I had real money...
Yamaha have a way to make inexpensive instruments that are quite nice to play, and sound good. Their middle end (like the TRBX 605) models are quite good, and can make a run for the money on some american classics.