Everything Wrong With Sherlock Holmes in 13 Minutes Or Less
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.พ. 2016
- Unfortunately for Guy Ritchie and RDJ... this version of Sherlock Holmes did NOT go on to be definitive or even very memorable. Might be all the sins.
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Say what you will but I enjoyed this version of Sherlock too, especially the sequel!
+Omni presence I like the sequel, but the first one jumped the shark to many times for me to get into it.
same
The Reviewer
True!
+Omni presence I really liked the sequel. If only because they used Jared Harris to great effect instead of wasting Mark Strong.
+Omni presence Me also.
Am I the only one who actually loved this movie ?
loved it too
No it was good
I also enjoyed the movie a lot :D
I liked it.
+mAni I liked it a lot too.
But you gotta admit, that theme song is pretty fucking awesome.
Logan Huntley fr I could get down to that shit all day. I feel like wearing a tweed 3-piece suit and kicking someone’s ass
For some reason, most Guy Ritchie films have really catchy scores. Just listen to the Man From UNCLE.
@Logan Donnelly wait really? well that explains that
Amazing score for the film in general, that shit slaps
Hans Zimmer, what did you expect?
CinemaSins: This is bad
Me: Discombobulate
This comment is honestly underrated😂
discombobulate
Discombobulate
Actually Sherlock Holmes in the books is a very skilled fighter. Having practiced Japanese martial arts, bartitsu, and yes even boxing. The fighter he faces in the movie is named Mcmurdo in the credits, and Irish fighter who Holmes fought a couple years back in the books and who he meets in the Sign of Four again and recalls Holmes's boxing prowess. So bonus to the movie for a bit of subtle reference to the books.
Also, a good deal of how Holmes deduces is by looking at people constantly. Paying attention always to ones surroundings and taking details in. Sorry if I seem like nitpicking I was just chiming in.
Although as a fan of the book I'd have to sin this movie because Irene Adler is nothing like how she is in the books.
+GeneralKenobi75 Well, to be fair, she only makes an appearance in a single story, just as Moriarty only features in two, I believe. (Doyle didn't want Holmes to seem inept by not being able to keep his nemesis from popping up again and again and again...)
Phoenix the-writer Even so in the books she's not Catwoman-esque master criminal. Her reasons are quite logical, she needed protection which is why she took advantage of the scandal.
+GeneralKenobi75 Thank you for pointing out the fighting prowess, I was coming here to make the same comment. Sherlock Holmes IS supposed to be a skilled boxer, and most likely would have engaged in street boxing matches. People tend to forget that Sherlock was often described as quite strong and near the peak of fitness.
Too bad they didn't use Bartitsu. They used Wing Chun
+Hayate Tsurugi (疾風剣) so would I. "Everybody have fun tonight" is awesome.
"Am I overthinking this? Someone's got to."
Quote of the Year
Total Drama :3
Total drama
+Paul Olsen fuck you
and YAS TOTAL DRAMA
+Paul Olsen Bad day?
Look at all this drama.
This is the first CinemaSins video I've watched where at least a dozen sins were added arbitrarily for things that are explained in the context of the film itself or by having half an understanding of psychology.
Really..?? This is the first..?? U don't come here often do u..??
Then it's the first one you've ever watched.
Sherlock Holmes could kick ass way before this movie, it just wasn't the brutish underground box-fighting we saw here, Sherlock Holmes was a fencer, and a damn good one too.
He was a fencer, and a boxer (though not the underground fight club type) and knew judo.
I'm also a fencer and im so glad someone remembered that!
@@Logan_Baron In the book when he explained how he defeated Moriarty to Watson, he mentioned that he knows some moves from baritsu (that's how Conan Doyle called it, it's actually bartitsu), which is basically an English MMA. And yes, he's a fencer, a boxer, and is quite strong overall, here's an example from "The Speckled Band":
“He seems a very amiable person,” said Holmes, laughing. “I am not quite so bulky, but if he had remained I might have shown him that my grip was not much more feeble than his own.” As he spoke he picked up the steel poker and, with a sudden effort, straightened it out again.
Everyone has floating ribs. They're the bottom ribs on your ribcage. So yes he would know to attack the floating rib.
Pfitz THANK YOU.
I literally just paused the video to scroll into the comments because I needed to reassure myself that SOMEONE must have said this already.
Yeah, CS really doesn't care how accurate or legitimate the joke is, theyre not critics, they're assholes.
IKR???
Thanks, I was afraid for a minute I had to do this. No martial arts background but high school wrestling I guess....
I'm sinning CinemaSins for confusing London Bridge with Tower Bridge *ding.
+Jommy Davi there it is!!!
exactly
+Jommy Davi niiiiiiice
Except they didn't cross Tower Bridge, they crossed at London Bridge, shown in the previous shot. Tower Bridge wasn't finished yet.
+Jommy Davi At least they did not confuse Big Ben with the Eiffel Tower.
Robert Downey Jr. learned to play the violin when he portrayed Charlie Chaplin.
And fun fact he also learned to play tennis left handed for the exact same movie
Let's be honest: Sherlock Holmes WOULD be a great Avenger, assuming he was brought up to speed wth the times.
HolyDeviant1 but then...You already have TWO Sherlockes in the MCU
Someone's never seen Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century
Did they ever really do that with Captain America?
Ah I've always liked to think Sherlock Holmes was always a modern man, it was the times that changed🤷🏼♀️
i actually really like this movie
same
+Destry Soule me too
spike blake
thank you?
+Phen0xyethanol The second one is a lot better imo
Me too. I thought I was the only one. Why does everyone hate Sherlock Holmes movies? :-/
Sherlock Holmes actually was a very good underground boxer in the original stories. Just read The Sign of the Four.
Yeah, it pisses me off. All those Sherlockian posers complaining about Sherlock being an action hero. He was a martial artist, perfectly capable of kicking all ass that needed to be kicked.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't think Robert Downey Junior was a good Sherlock. I just think that is one aspect of his character they got accurately.
he was an odd choice as an actor, but character building wise they did have him box and use disguises which were great parts of the original story
***** I don't like him because he doesn't quite fit the character's more serious side. He was extremely serious and calm. And also, the movie felt almost like an action film, and that really kind of sucks in a Holmes movie. :/ So he fits to an extent, but I don't really want a "Fun, modernized Holmes;" it feels like it defeats the point.
Exactly! Plus, Sherlock clearly had a taste for danger with his actual, canon drug problem described in the novels.
Oh well guys, here we go...
1. The 1800s are the 19th century - not the 18th.
2. In the movie it is revealed that Sherlock and Watson called in the cops, which lets us assume that Sherlock already went ahead while the cops prepared their team, thereby giving him a good headstart. Also, based on the later scene where the cops piss themselves at the graveyard, I find it quite likely that they would wait for Sherlock and Watson to do all the work before going in. This explains both their late engaging in the scene and Sherlock arriving before they do despite being on foot.
3. Assuming Moriarty is a well-known celebrity-status kind of guy and doesn't want to be recognized by some low-key bad guy who might end up in a jail cell and rat him out to the police, it is quite reasonable of him to wear a hooded robe whilst hanging out at a crime scene with several of such low-key bad guys.
4. We all knew Watson was Watson. It seems a bit over-analized to state that the line "You're the doctor after all." was added in to let us know this guy is Watson, and not to be a cool Guy-Ritchie-ish line.
5. Since guns where always rather unpopular in Britain, as they are highly restricted (and have almost always been), thereby making it hard to get your hands on one, it is actually very likely that only a henchmen-leader kind of guy would be equipped with one. If all of those guys had had guns, THAT would have been strange.
6. Sherlock doesn't state how exactly he saw the glass because it would be unnecessary expositional dialogue, as we can all SEE how he was able to notice it quite well. The said line also fits him quite well, as Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes is a dickish cool-guy Sherlock Holmes, and this line is a lot cooler than a scientific explanation.
7. The piece of glass is not sharp, it is pointy. While hiding a long pointy object in the lower part of your sleeve, it could not POSSIBLY stick you in the arm, as the pointy part is on the end, and your arm is touching the side. The only thing it WOULD stick is his sleeve at the elbow, which seems to be made of thick wool-ish stuff. Or, much more likely, it is just pointy on the outer end, which would make it stick nothing but an unattentive Watson if he moves in too close.
8. Despite a lot that can be said about this action movie, it is definitely not forgettable. Show me another action movie set in this time period with a similar style... that's right, Sherlock Holmes 2.
9. How is he going to escape, he is one dude wearing absurdly impractical black magic robes, and they have guns. Also, we know those guys shit their pants at the sheer thought of Blackwood apparently (which is a bunch of bullshit on its own), so the Bobby would definitely let go of him.
10. The picture still shows the other two people perfectly well. And it is the only picture they have...
11. How do you know how many shots were fired? Where you hanging out in the place even before the SCENE started, counting?
12. Holmes is both good at deductive reasoning AND watching in the books aswell as most other depictions (if he was good at logical conclusion-making and as unattentive as an eleven-year old with a smartphone, how exactly would that do him ANY good?).
13. How is your (quite frankly very humorous) remark concerning Sir Arthur Conan Doyle a sin for the movie?
14. By showing her stuff he already knows, he shows her how small details matter, which in this case makes it completely unimportant if he KNOWS the conclusions to be true or not.
15. Holmes is an asshole, and I like it.
16. Why is no one paying attention to the well-dressed good-looking woman... who walkes in BEHIND everyone DURING a boxing match. I'm sure they'd all be able to smell her and randomly turn away from the fight and towards her... right?
To how many Irish boxing clubs have YOU been, my friend? If there is one thing that is better than women, it is fighting.
17. Why would the police give a shit about the other prisoners?
18. It was not said at any given time that Sherlock had to ABIDE Blackwood's wish. He supposedly did so because he was intrigued.
19. While you are right about the Geography fail, the shot you show as "London Bridge" is, in fact, Tower Bridge. Should have been quite obvious, as you just said they PASSED over London Bridge, and the Bridge in the picture is yet to be completed.
20. Watson supposedly did not punch hard. And Sherlock is not the one to call others dicks...
21. Complaining about the colar being too clean for such a long time in prison, whilst claiming that the teeth are bad because of British stereotypes... make up your mind, either colar and teeth are clean, or both are dirty from the long time in prison...
22. Were SHOULD the David Crosby disguise be? In the bottom-most cupboard of some shelf in a dark and gloomy corner? Why? Everything is f**king trashed in that room, why should the toupé be neatly put away?
23. The top hat is clearly not floating.
24. Playing the violin without a bow, but rather pluckin it like a mandolin or banjo, is quite common practice in quite a wide range of folk music styles.
25. That shed is, at most, 2,5 metres high. Sherlock is portrayed to be a skilled parkourer, rendering that height not only rather undangerous, but easy-to-jump. He would have gotten some scratches from the breakin roof, or at least some dust on his face though... which he does!
26. "That's the Irene I know." referrs to her behaving all nicely before this happens. She didn't steal from anyone, and she didn't beat anyone up, did she? So this IS a reveal of some kind after Sherlock hasn't seen her for such a long time.
27. The adhesive thing COMPLETELY explains how the tombstone didn't cave in... the adhesive holds the stone together, but is rather mild, so it can be broken open by force. How is that hard to understand again?
28. A dude who has a reputation as a practitioner of black magic is hanged by the neck and then breaks open his freaking tomb? This is the 19th century. While I wouldn't exactly PISS myself if I was one of those cops, I'd CERTAINLY be reluctant to "do anything concerning Blackwood".
29. He takes that watch secretly.
30. Sinning the movie for the babble of an old man which is supposed to BE babble IN the movie.
31. Perhaps the checkers are left over from a previous game of checkers. Or they are used as some kind of points / playing chips for the dicing? Anyhow, there are lots of ways this could be explained.
32. Since Blackwood teased Sherlock before the hanging, it is likely he expects him to come after him. Why not send that big-ass dude just in case?
33. How is the Frankzappenstein Monster a sin?
34. Looking at this logically, Holmes should only be able to 10-sec-analize-and-take-down a guy if he is sneaking in on the dude and sees any noticeable weakness / plans the attack out OR has fought the guy for long enough to see a pattern and / or weakness in the man's physique and / or fighting style - none of which applies for this scene. This also irradicates the sin for earlier during the boxing match, when Holmes only uses his 10-sec technique after quite a while of normal fighting. His punches looked wack as hell, implying that he was simply testing the guy's response, which is actually a quite common thing amongst fighters.
35. I've fallen like that quite a few times during parkour, and I've never broken a bone in my LIFE.
36. You don't think they did anything arrest-worthy, yet in the next moment wonder what the bail for the guys who wrecked the shipyard might be... I'll have one big cup of logic, please.
37. You cumming in your pants during a movie is now a sin.
38. You not paying attention to the plot of a movie you are reviewing that is actually quite followable is now a sin.
39. Why would you hide your secret black magic room behind the bathroom? Well, in Victorian London, the toilets were not in the bathroom. So there is NO WAY anyone would ACCIDENTLY F**KING STUMBLE INTO YOUR BATHROOM. Seems like a good place to hide a secret passage, the one room no one but you goes into... right? The bedroom would have been my second choice.
40. A future ruled by rich white dudes is a sin... to this movie?
41. No way the bad guy isn't super dead? If I were to BAZINGA-pop up right behind two people equipped with guns with a wall between me and them, I would... throw myself flat on the ground and roll away? I mean, they can't see him, and they ARE just shooting were his upper body would be, so... it is quite easy for him to NOT be super dead, right?
42. So the shoes aren't distinctive because Zappo's had a whole page dedicated to those kind of shoes... I doubt Zappo's existed in the mid-19th century.
Jesus, I'm finally through. You guys need to check your script before recording...
Wow I’m impressed
How long did that take??
Awesome reply is awesome! 🎉
Moriartie wasn't anywhere warring black robes with any low LVL criminals at any point in the movie..
2manynegativewaves And yet, during the time period the story is set there was only an average of one death by firearm per year. So clearly something was going on.
as a british person i can confirm his english accent is perfect and it’s just posh 😹😹😼
Actually, Guy Richie went on record as saying Downey has a superb british accent and that's one of the reasons he wanted him. After his work on Chaplin, he's had the accent down. There are different british dialects just like american's.
THANK YOU
So what Guy knobheads word is law now ? Does it matter not that EVERYone else apart from you three, dickrichie and probably Jr don't think it was any good in anyway. ?
Mathew Kevern Are you even British? If you’ve never heard anyone speak like this, I suspect you aren’t. Unless you live under a rock, of course.
No
@@darthgorthaur258 jeez give it a break dude.
This is the second time i saw you arguing about an english accent in a comment thread.
Excuse me? "Forgettable action film"??? I think this movie was great!
+N Bridgeman, the movie, I believe, was not made for action. Also like... You don't need 3 question marks in one rhetorical question.
+The Onyx Eclipse ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? bitch
The Onyx Eclipse I know, that was just what he called it.
And I like mah question marks, thank you. ;)
Hunter Lewis Ehehehe
Fehking gangs.
his accent is on point... I'm British
You know your ancestors ruled my country but thanks to them girls can now get education, we're advanced, thank you so much.
@@debolinachatterjee8970 Who asked?
@@IamAlleycat Who asked you to ask me?
@@debolinachatterjee8970 me
@@IamAlleycat Why can't I thank them huh? I wouldn't be writing in English or worse I would've been killed after birth if it wasn't for them. I am a grateful person and I'll do what I want
Holmes participates in boxing, because it is one of the things that makes him a better detective because fighting can keep him safe in dangerous situations. Sherlock Holmes only knows things that are essential to solving cases, this is something he would need. So yes, he would box.
And then Sherlock crashed a ship into the frozen tundra, froze, woke up decades later with no memory or British accent took on the persona of tony stark and became iron man. The end.
+Conor Murphy He didn't invent a time machine. He built a TARDIS from memory after spending some time traveling with the Doctor.
+jared chenklov And then he gets revived in the 22nd Century with a revived robot/cyborg Watson.
How would he even survive for decades there, much less do it without aging?
1colonelsanders Genetic engineering and cloning.
+1colonelsanders Uh... Captain America dude...
I still think this movie is great.
+Alain Bruno me too
+Alain Bruno I like this movie too
+Alain Bruno your body is perfect
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+Alain Bruno The Cinemasins guys probably do too. You have to remember that this is mostly parody.
As an english man, I can confirm his accent is perfectly fine.
About 3:31
He actually does get jealous in The Sign of the Four, it's just really subtle. Watson writes like one sentence, forgets about it, and then it comes the final scene where Holmes says he can't congratulate him on getting married.
So the jealousy.....you know........makes sense
Also about 7:44, Holmes actually is really sensible to smells to the point he is even compared to a dog so he must have felt *something* off about the individual smells although, more realistically, I do think he would have had more time figuring out which smell it was really. But you know, it's a movie.
12:16 Holmes cannonically is stoopid when he does experimentations for cases. He once almost killed a dog by poison (A Study in Scarlet) and, to make things worse, almost killed *himself and doctor Watson* (The Devil's Foot), so yes, he is stoopid but it is accurate
the "almost killing a dog with poison" was actually intentionally killing a dying dog with poison to put it out of its misery, in order to confirm that something was actually poison. The dog did actually die.
@@thomaslongcore4996 I've reread that story recently and yeah turns out I had forgotten about that part when I commented lmao. Also, hi Firestar
You CAN play a violin without a bow. It's called plucking the violin.
without a bow, not string
Pizzicato.
+lnsflare1 exactly
Nightshade Sorry, oops
Nate J. Garageband.
You obviously ain't ever been to Victorian Britain then m8. It's worth a visit.
Sure, I'll just head over to my local time machine renters and make a quick hop back to the late 1800s.
+fatherbrain1 Are you a hot woman? Maybe you can hook up with the doctor and he'll do you a solid.
+fatherbrain1 Or rebuild a Delorean yourself.
+Eon2641 That's what I will do. But I'll have to move to London first, I guess ;)
"Come with me...I already...uh...."
-Cinema Sins
I can't believe after all this time nobody has told CInemaSins that you DONT need a bow to play the violin!
Floating ribs are the lower ribs that don't fuse with the others in the centre to form the ribcage. Everyone has them barring some sort of accident or birth defect, and they are a common point to attack in martial arts that use strikes, being structurally weaker than the upper ribs.
searched a long time for this comment, was planning to comment it myself
Er, I realise the books don't count but...here goes anyway. Holmes actually did box/fight with his cane, on occasion. I'm not entirely sure he participated in boxing matches for spare cash, though. Actually, I'm entirely sure he didn't. The point is that it wouldn't have been out of character.
He has participated in boxing matches. A boxing champion commented on his hook or something on a short story.
+Greg. Sym. he wasn't doing underground boxing, more amateur circuit. And he relied more on his physical strength than the dirty fighting shown in the movie
+Greg. Sym. Holmes was skilled in a Victorian m,artial art called Bartitsu. And yes it really did- and still does - exist. ( Conan Doyle mis-called it Baritsu ). This skill is what Holmes said saved him in his fight with Morriaty ( in the books that is ).
He was a racist cocaine addict though! Something most current iterations decidedly leave out.
+Greg. Sym. The books don't matter.
*there is nothing wrong with this movie and it’s cinematic gold*
Dude get over it. This channel is intended to make fun of movies.
This movie is fun, but cinematic gold is so far from what it is I can't even tell. Try some Kubrick or Hitchcock or the European or Japanese directors for cinematic gold next time...
Bubble Cork it was a joke lmao
people saying its a joke dont get the joke **Ding!**
The sin at 7:24 was incorrect, it wasn’t convenient. Holmes already figured it out and was just joking with Watson.
his english accent is actually rather good. I'm english
Lol OK smart-arse I was born and live in england :)
+matthew shepherd I don't know, there is a thing like he is lisping and swallowing the vowels when he speaks, doesn't sound like typical "Victorian" like BBC dramas.
+Shihua Bai ye but I bet we could pick holes in your 19th century American accent. it's not perfect but I don't think it's worth a sin
matthew shepherd The point is that I couldn't understand half of what he is saying, like he is grunting when he speak.
Well I watched his clips on youtube to hear he speaks in the movie, but that is beside the point. I can hear every word from Jude Law crisp clear when he speak. Also yes the "over the top upper class" is basically what I meant, it is a little overdone, like he is often clenching his jaws and just lisping his words out. As a result it doesn't sound completely authentic, but hey! Maybe he did that on purpose.
Roberts accent is fine. He is an amazingly talented actor and has a range of accents that are quite accurate.
Also knowing an actor is American trying to pull of a foreign accent makes you pay way to much attention to it.
Not just Americans. Hugh Laurie is great with his American accent.
Ironically House MD is suppose to be another version of Sherlock Holmes with Wilson as his Watson.
@aumjayakishatriya2982 he did an amazing job! It's one of my all-time favorite shows. I still watch it.
The "satanic" star you're referring to is not satanic. It's a pentagram, often used in witchcraft and or black magic.
People still associate it with satan, even if it isn't accurate
Witchcraft and black magic are things generally considered satanic anyway.
In some practices, the tip of the star facing upward represents the female, while the tip facing downward represents the male. In other practices, the upward facing tip is used in summoning spells to protect the summoner/practician from spirits (not depicted/used this was in every case of witchcraft or black magic)
Or, generally, you can flip just about any symbol to get its exact opposite. Like, with the christian cross, you know...
I guess it also works for heraldry.
Канал Alnair'а well, i guess symbols and heraldry go through some sort of evolution like language does. But originally the upside down cross was a sign of devotion. When saint peter was crucified he demanded be crucified upside down because he die not think of himself worthy to die in the same way jesus did.
yo when are we gonna get a game of shadows?
Ryan Simmons I don't think he wants to remove all those sins thanks to the forest scene lol. That scene was pure epicness
SeaGL Gaming RIP
As an Englishman I have to disagree. His accent is perfectly fine.
Jack Sanders really really....name me one place with an accent like that in the uk please...
Undertaken Souls yeah and if that was my question you might have a point but as it wasn't your reply means nothing...
Undertaken Souls to make sure you understood it was completely unrelated to the question I asked an so you didn't start to think your attempt at being clever had worked...
Mathew, I am here to let you know that you are dumb.
FriendlyNeighborhoodDerp soo no answer to my really simple question, think its nice an obvious whos the dumb one here...
The game they are playing with the chess board and the dice is a game called le drinquet it is a medieval gambling game where basically you and your opponent each have either black squares or white squares on a standard chess board you take turns rolling 1-3 dice the dice that land in your squares counts for you.... it is a craps style gambling game. Very popular right into the early 18th century. --- I wrote a book on such games called Past Times: Sports and Games of Medieval Europe.
and yes I really AM that dorky ;)
That's actually very cool
Very interesting!
Actually what he tells is quite interesting, and if i were at a party, i would definetly hear that, and probably cheer everyone to make it a drink game. So pls STFU dumbass, go to being a troll somewhere else
I actually enjoyed this comment thank you very much. You are referring to those that pop the bubble on a joke because they don't understand humor. In this case, he is informing us on a game that I would like to hear more about thank you very much.
And I the only one that love Robert Downey Jr. as Sherlock Holmes. Like seriously I love this series can't wait for the third installment.
1:29 he wasn't trying to kill effectively, he was trying to scare the piss out of everyone. Imagine what you would think if someone's eye just started bleeding from the eye as soon as he approaches him
Floating rib is just the name for the lowest rib because of how it's positioned. Anatomy sin!
And he's also referencing the floating rib as a target used in martial arts, since he's a martial artist and all.
+Brendon Ford I came here to say this!
+Brendon Ford Good thing I checked if someone else noticed. How do they not know this, honestly.
+Brendon Ford AAAHHH! I commented this and then I saw this comment! xD Good sir, I will respect author rights and remove my comment :)
Ya I couldn't keep watching until I brought that up. For once it looks like the writers of the movie did more research than Cinemasins.
These are 19th Century cops, not 18th Century. Get it together Cinema Sins!
+MrZeopediaR6 ding!
+Filip Kowalewski and possibly loss of your head as well
+Willtros YT well if the calculations are done properly, you should have you head on your shoulders
+MrZeopediaR6 THANK YOU
he also called Tower Bridge "London Bridge"
Always loved your videos. Drank 3 beers tonight and I found your video hilarious
Sin #113 - Holmes was recreating the crime scene where Blackwood was captured.
Sin #115 - Watson was originally using that circle of cloth as a sling.
Sin #116 - Did Zappo's exist in 1890? I kinda doubt it.
Sin #125 - Who else was Holmes going to talk into helping him re-enact a botched hanging, Gladstone the dog!?
Actually wouldn't mind seeing a part 3 to Sherlock Holmes to close out the trilogy, but i don't think it will happen
+Couch Tomato
yeah, they already ended the 2nd movie with holmes being declared dead. they make it clear that he isn't, but they would need to come up with a reason for him to appear in public again after he already accepted his "death".
+DocGenius42 The movies don't exactly follow the books but they're close enough to find a reason for Sherlock to come back.
They are making a third. RDJ is confirmed for it but what's his name as Watson has not yet been confirmed to be on the movie. (I doubt he'd say no to another Sherlock movie though). But I don't think they've even really started filming yet.
+DocGenius42 Well, they could just copy the books and make a string of assassinations by Colonel Moran enough of a reason for Holmes to come back.
+Couch Tomato It's kinda like the Chronicles of Narnia, the fans are eagerly waiting for any sign of life, while everyone else is asking if it was ever a thing to begin with.
Honestly, as an American, I just thought all bridges in London were called London Bridge.
That's Racist. ding
+CinemaSins I'd love to see an "Everything Wrong With Mockingjay Part 1"
They aren't all called London Bridge? And wait there's more than one bridge in London? How long have I been asleep....
Your channel is awesome
+CinemaSins Nah, man... those all fell down when I was a kid. Is England still a country?
I want to say I totally agree with sinning it twice that Holme's magic weakness-vision peaced out for the entirety of the unnecessarily long unnecessary fight with the giant goon. If they wanted to tack on one more fun action scene, why not do one consistent with the character's abilities for the rest of the film? This was like if in a Jet Li movie, he suddenly engaged in a slap fight like he had the martial skill of a 5th grader for exactly one scene. Honestly, it could still be an enjoyable bit on its own, but it'd be so out of place it shouldn't be a thing we're expected to take in stride.
"Irene works for a floating top hat". :D
Bro, that's not London Bridge, that's Tower Bridge.
Yeah the London Bridge is in Arizona.
nor is it London Bridge, London. which is only about 140 years older than the one in Arizona ;-)
Tower Bridge is under construction so they would have to cross the river on the next bridge upstream, which is London Bridge
Klamath2046 Yes but during the video they were referring to Tower Bridge as London Bridge.
+PhantoMace2012
its pronounced "A-merican"
@1:05 Sherlock Holmes even in the stories penned by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is depicted as a boxer and a fighter, and in many instances, he did fight his way out of trouble when the situation so demanded. So this sin is a sin against itself 😂
Whether or not it's canon is irrelevant- the idea that "a reclusive, agoraphobic investigator would regularly take part in chaotic grimy street fights" is still funny. It's VERY plausible that cinema sins made this joke with full knowledge that the original Holmes could box.
It's kind of his thing. Why would he NOT learn to fight if his job is apprehending criminals that probably DO know how to fight. You think someone as smart as Sherlock would have an underhand to criminals? This guy making this video clearly hasn't read any of these books.
Childish Randino
It's one thing to be a fighter, it's another to partake in "chaotic, grimy street fights". I think it's a fair point by cinema sins
Joey Sung unless it's a sanctioned martial arts fight, aren't all fights chaotic street fights? This fight is fairly organized: ring, bookies, audience. It isn't like he's picking a bar right and it's a solid way for him to make money between jobs- as he does. Have you read the novels?
Yes, I've read a few, but none of them suggest that Holmes was the kind of guy to fight public prize fights in front of huge noisy crowds. Also, it's shown that Holmes is not really interested in money. I think he was quite wealthy or something. I think it looks a tiny bit ridiculous to see Holmes fighting shirtless in some 'chaotic street fight', and it's fair for Cinema sins to poke fun at it.
My fav video so far. The jokes in this one were just too good.
I love these videos however there are a couple of things that I feel as though you don't know about Sherlock Holmes. For instance, Sherlock Holmes was a very skilled boxer who regularly boxed in underground rings. As for Holmes's sense of smell, he spent a number of years to become familiar with the sounds and smells of London, perfumes, tobaccos smoke and many other scents. Also Sherlock Holmes used a techniques which he called a mind attic where old sights and sounds can be recalled at will. This techniques also allowed him to erase information that was not relevant.
1) Great film
2) His accent is fine ( i am english )
He sounds very much like a man of his class in that time period would have sounded.
As an English man, I can confirm that Downey's accent is fine. Very public school
+Martyn Wilkinson exactly. :P
agreed
of course. no movie is without sin, you see. its all for lulz.
the villain gave a STRONG performance
+Patick Stewart Amen! And Jared Harris as Moriarty in the sequel was even better!
dem puns. puns puns puns puns.
+Comedy Bros Someone clearly didn't understand the joke...
Jason Bourne I get it know. I just remembered Mark Strong played him. lol
MARK my words when I say this actor is amazing
I liked the film, in part because it provided a good look at the Holmes sometimes glimpsed between the lines of the Sacred Writings, but I've always wondered whether the presence of Gladstone was a Holmesian in-joke, or did the writers not know that when, in A Study in Scarlet, Watson said that he kept a bull pup, he was referring not to a dog, but rather his service revolver...
I just found this channel today and I have to say this is a good laugh.
1) This movie was awesome. 2) Downey JR kicks ass as Sherlock. 3) I've literally read ten comments of English people saying his accent is fine and Americans are correcting them lol stfu
Because like I said above, you ain't British if you don't speak heavy cockney.
His accent isn't great, but that's only because he's exaggerating it for his role. It's not bad, definitely not.
Well as a British person I can tell you it's become a well known an agreed joke over the years since the movies came out.
Everyone is taking the extreme positions on the Downey accent. I just think it’s alright - good in places, bad in places, especially when juxtaposed with Jude Law’s. Is that ok with everyone?
It's movie for people who know nothing about the character of Sherlock Holmes- a basic mind numbing Hollywood action movie.
With the sound edit at 13:06 you should've added the 'Here's Johnny!" from te shining
+Koen mvandeurzen I was actually waiting for that; although that might be why they didn't use it, it's become too predictable.
+Koen mvandeurzen Omg thank you, I was just gonna comment that! Such a wasted opportunity. :D
+Koen mvandeurzen It's a trap was a lot more funny, and unpredictable.
They could have added "Surprise, motherfucker!". Hehe.
I'm sinning Cinema Sins for not pointing out how unrealistic the amount of smoke was
1:08 Actually these two have always been capable of kicking asses. Watson served in Afghanistan as a war medic and Holmes practised some kind of wrestling since the original. In fact the first book starts with Watson remembering his war days and how he barely escaped death when the ghazis attacked his camp, though he was wounded and got typhus.
sin you missed/ignored for being to gruesome: at the end when Blackwood gets hung with a chain of off the bridge, his head would have torn of completely.
*Blackwood
+Srishti Gautam oh right, i was thinking of the show :D
+Nathan Lee people can be hung too...
Nathan Lee True that. *ding
+Tighe Kennedy no... no they can not
"In this movie Robert Downey Jr. plays a British Tony Stark."
DEAD
Lol. I keep thinking that every time I see the movie
gxfan039 now I probably will do
WolfAshB4n3 Yeah
Maybe when Tony Stark and Stephen Strange meet, possibly in Infinity War.
I have a theory that Robert Downey Jr. ALWAYS is Tony Stark
He just fits each specific movie with an accent
I love how Mary gets offended by Sherlock analyzing her even though she insisted he'd do it. 😂😂
BBC Sherlock reference in the end. Thank you, cinemasins, thank you.
Honestly, the RDJ is my second favorite Holmes, behind Benedict Cumberbatch but just ahead of Basil Rathbone.
+Conor Murphy since I don't remember his performance(s), he's 4th.
rathbone was great in the Great Mouse Detective!
+Conor Murphy Yeah, for me, he's the best Holmes !
+Vincent DeFiore Nobody will ever be as great as Jeremy Brett. He WAS Holmes in a way no other actor ever achieved, in my opinion.
+Ege Erdem I disagree
I really enjoyed this movie. It´s way better then trying to set the character to modern age (Elementary,Sherlock) or to make him too old (Mr.Holmes). This is Holmes in his best years and it was very enjoyable. It didn´t throw away source material , and didn´t just focus on Moriarty.
Sherlock is amazing, what are you talking about? It follows the source material way more then the RDJ Sherlock films did.
+ZakanaHachihaCBC He means the setting
You have clearly never read any Sherlock stories if you claim this is even close to the source material.
fenrirdies lmao
The Sherlock fangirls are comming at you...
1:04 If you bother to read the original source material you’ll realize that Holmes and Watson are perfectly capable of defending themselves. We’ve just never seen it translated to cinema in this fashion.
"In this movie, Robert Downey Junior plays British Tony Stark" laughed so hard
"13 minutes or less" 13:37 minutes long. Well, there's a sin.
+LpmedVH well he said it as a joke too im here on his behalf to thank you for that necessary insult
sarcasm obviously
+LpmedVH some is butthurt
+BlackManiaGaming 1337
The dubbed clips at the end took more than 37 seconds, so the actual sinning took less than 13 minutes.
+BlackManiaGaming
welcome to cinemasins!
they've been counting only the sins portions of the video since the beginning.
You know, from what I can remember from the seven or so books/short stories I read, Holmes did not have exeptionally poor people skills. He was really nice, too.
He had an annoying tendency to tell people to do things without explaining why, just because he found it more interesting that way.
Holmes was capable at times of being abrasive, rude, and superior, but the difference was 1) He actually was aware he was doing it, and 2) It wasn't his default mood. He was also capable of being a complete gentleman, and he did not ignore the social graces of his class. Both this movie and that blasted Sherlock series over-exaggerate single aspects of Holmes' character. The only interpretation that has actually come close to the books is the Granada series with Jeremy Brett. It was fairly faithful to the stories.
@@moonwatcher99 thank you for saying so. A lot of people flocked to the BBC series and swear up and down that Benny is the best Holmes and that simply isn't true. Jeremy Brett will always hold that title.
@@Listening_Books12345 dare i tell you about Soviet Holmes movies....
Soviet Holmes and Granada Holmes are my personal favorites ngl, the sheer entertainment I get watching those two is just 👌
Thank you for a review on one of my favorite movies ☺
I was waiting for that Snatch music in the audio outtakes!
That is Tower Bridge not London Bridge. You Americans still getting it wrong after all these years.
*****
Easier to stand back and watch you destroy yourselves.
*grabs popcorn*
Nah m80 america wont ever die
+Kurt Mapping Your country is literally tearing itself apart
+eoin joyce I couldn't hear you over your overwhelming political correctness
"In this movie, Robert Downey Jr. plays British Tony Stark"
XD
+Unknown It's especially funny because it's true. :D Or rather, I'd say that RDJ just strongly channels his own persona in both roles. :)
I actually kind of liked his weird super fast fight planning thing.
Also the police liason guy seems more evil than the evil guy.
The magic room by the tub does make sense, many rituals insist on being very clean before attempting them. Bathing beforehand definitely makes sense.
10:01 A bit of clarification: The red star is not specifically a Pentagram ("Satanic star"). In western occultism, the five point star is the universal symbol for "magick". A Pentagram is the same symbol turned upside down to represent that its power comes from the underworld (which is ruled by the devil, or Satan).
So you're still correct in adding a sin here because it should be a Pentagram if Blackwood is specifically practicing Black Magick.
As someone whose only other experience with Sherlock Holmes was reading the original stories, this movie wasn't that horrible. I did think that the character of Sherlock in this was a bit to Tony Stark, but other than that, it was fun. Not a classic, and as Cinemasins says, not very definitive, and not memorable in it's own right, but not a bad little action movie.
+Craig Tierney The only real gripes I have with this movie are RDJ's...accent...and the fact he looks a bit too scruffy; it's a bit distracting and I kept wishing he would go take a shower or at least comb his hair.
+Craig Tierney It wasn't perfect but better then any of the other more resent Sherlock attempts. This one at least tried to stay somewhat close to the source maternal
+EighmyLupin *material
Mattias Westby My bad. I probably should pay more attention instead of letting my phone guess what I'm trying to write and auto fill for me.
+EighmyLupin What? Close to the source material? Have you read the books? There is barely anything that reeks of the source material other than the time period and the names, really. And it doesn't come close to the BBC Tv series Sherlock, which is, though set in modern times, VERY MUCH a real Sherlock Holmes series.
Sinning Cinemasins for not knowing that everybody has two pairs floating ribs, ribs not attached to the sternum *ding*
“Why was it a more evenly matched fight before?”
Toying with one’s opponent, redirecting his momentum, and simply antagonizing him to fight even more wildly is not “evenly matched.”
RDJ's accent is actually pretty decent. For the time and social standing of Sherlock Holmes it really works haha.
The answer to your question is no, Victorian London was not that backwards.
The last execution for witchcraft in England was in 1682 and the death penalty for witchcraft was abolished in 1736.
The Holmes books are set from about 1880 onwards.
has to be said. everyone has a floating rib, it's just where the bottom one isn't attached like the rest. a well placed punch is easily enough to put almost anyone down, it's also where you should aim your elbow when you're in a sleeper hold as a softener to loosen your opponents grip before throwing them over your shoulder so you don't break your own neck.
he isn't boxing (though he was a boxer in the books) he's using wing chun, you hit the harder spots with an open hand or with less force and a loose fist to avoid breaking your hand and being left defenseless.
Jeremy: “Watson is at least sufficiently British.”
Me: “Yeah!”
Jeremy: “*sin ding*”
Me: “Wait why is that a sin?”
Still waiting on EWW Pokemon the first movie
Me2!
+Jacco Dik don't you mean mew2?
I'm waiting for the Transformers Movie they forgot to sin. It turns 30 this year, so its about time it got justice.
Pokemon 1 was AMAZING
+Jonah Henrickson Yup! I kind of love it to death, but my God there is so much to sin!
You can't knock a movie, because you assume people watch the trailers, posters, or anything outside the movie itself.
Their reference to "Doctor" Watson was reasonable.
Specially when most of the general public didn't really know that Watson was a doctor. Sherlock Holmes is not a popular read in not English-speaking countries so little things like that really help new audiences to get familiar with the overall lore of SH.
+Ixpantenco Maybe the books are not so popular, but films and tv series are. People know that Watson is a doctor.
+GrimFaceHunter this movie was the first time i had ever seen of sherlock holmes. I had heard of holmes and watson but didnt know he was a doctor til this movie
I think the bigger problem with it was just the clunky way they had Holmes present it. Like the dialogue just sounded kinda forced and unrealistic.
this is cinema sins. they take the piss out of everything and don't care what u say
Why does it take an American to point out the geographical error (Pentonville Prison and Tower Bridge)? Guy Richie, the director of this film, is British! So that mistake should be five sins
These are actually my favorite Sherlock Holmes movies. I have seen the series with Cumberbatch and Freeman, but Downey and Law are still my favorites :3
12:50 CinemaSins indirectly inspires BBC's Sherlock New years special, 1 and a half months after it came out
*Ding*
Kinda off topic but...does that specific soundtrack from Sherlock remind anyone else of the good omens soundtrack?? Because to me, they sound super similar for some reason, anyone else??
"He wouldn't have been able to guess that that guy had a floating rib"
You do know that everyone has floating ribs, right?
Hi difesa! I love your channel.but you must know(5 years to late) that there are some reference in the original story about Sherlock occasionally taking part at unlicense boxing match.
This was a great interpretation of Sherlock Holmes. I was surprised that Constable Clark didn't get in trouble for letting Holmes go after the explosion.
I'm unfortunate enough to be english, Robert Downy Juniors accent is good. Americans have a tendency to do awful british accents but this is not one of those times.
+Gangstar #1 Touchy much. Way to validate his point by the way.
Sorry, but are you aware that you're on the internet and all of your comments are visible and open to criticism? I would answer you question as to how you proved his point, but you already did that yourself. Furthermore, patriotism is a crutch and is little more than an unfounded assertion that your country is superior because you live in it, and you're just using it as an excuse to be knob. Also, what kind of Brit are you, spelling "arsehole" like an American would?
Nobody said you can't feel good about being British. I'm just calling you out for saying shit like "how dare you" and "who asked you" as though you have the right to censor other people. Also, my country? What country do you think that is? If you're still assuming I'm American, then that's just something else you're wrong about. And by the way, plenty of people in England say arse. You used it at least twice before I called you out on its spelling.
Go on. You wouldn't be the first person in the TH-cam comments section to lose an argument and then leave with your fingers in your ears pretending to have won said argument. Not to mention completely baseless accusation of childish behaviour on my part (I challenge you to quote one thing I said that could be considered childish). But it's fine, this is TH-cam! I've done nothing but offer reasonable counter arguments to what you've said. You on the other hand, restoring to insults and assumptions, seem more like the 12 year old. The fact that you're claiming to be an adult makes this even worse. But keep grasping at straws, it makes you look really rational and level-headed.
Also, what are you talking about? There's nothing on my homepage.
I thought you said you were leaving. As for attacking my character, you busted out the "you must be 12" card without any real opportunity or basis, and used watching cartoons as though that actually qualifies as an argument. Out of all my subs, a whole two of them have anything to do with cartoons. Anyway, it's a pointless thing to mention since cartoons have been popular in practically all age groups for decades.
You said you were certain I was a yank, again as though that actually constitutes an argument. Again, wrong. You being "certain" doesn't amount to much then, does it?
Just to note, if you are going to pick at me typoing "restoring" instead of "resorting" as though it was worth laughing your arse off, then at least try to make sure your own spelling and grammar is on point. Your punctuation sucks, you keep using "your" instead of "you're", you end statements with question marks, and you spell "arse" like a yank. This whole time you've been straw-grasping and making assumptions just so you have a leg to stand on. You have nothing but delirious pride keeping you going, as you certainly don't have any substance.
But for real though, so you seem convinced that you've somehow proven yourself superior in all of this. If that were true, you would be able to actually pick apart what I've said, not laugh at typos or browse my subs in a desperate measure to try and find some dirt on me. So why don't you just do what you said you would do, and leave and bury your head in the sand like you originally planned. Why are you still here? Better yet, you could be predictable and respond with the good old "didn't read any of that" response that's so popular with trolls on TH-cam.
Black magic wasn't a crime in Victorian London, a law was passed in 1735 that made it illegal to even accuse someone of having magical abilities
if it was never repealed, it was still a crime...
@@KaladinVegapunk ~ Or they're made by "small" people with personal pet peeves and too much power, like "while riding an elevator, no looking at or speaking to any other passengers".
@@KaladinVegapunk This seems more like a law to counter that sort if thing.
I'm sinning you for not including the "This is Sparta" kick at the end for the boxing match!
I'm sinning CinemaSins for assuming you'd have a bruise or scratch after catching a small punch with your face and probably never being punched in the face before.
Sin 43: Sherlock was punishing himself for hurting Watson. Hence the slapping instead of disabling and allowing his opponent to tag him but not incapacitate him. "The Woman" was the only one that could jar him from his sorrow.
"Surely a lord could spring for some guns, right?"
You don't know anything about England, do you?
You and 34 others didn't know that Holmes and Watson have a few guns between them, and figure a wealthy Lord would be the one with difficulty buying?
@@aumjayakishatriya2982 Not without a proper loicense.
I was wondering if I was the only one who knew that guns aren't readily available in England 👍
@@TymP321 NOW...but at one time, they were.....
@Cloi Coleman "Uh...yessir! Got me Loicense right 'ere!"
*Runs*
Baker Street is in central West London - *not* north east London. Pentonville prison *is* in North London, but Holmes and Watson are on the north bank of the river passing tower Bridge heading East - which is a massive diversion and heading away from Pentonville, but it is still on the north bank of the river. I suspect that originally Blackwood was supposed to be held in the Tower of London, which is just ahead of their carriage, but that the prison was changed to pentonville. Maybe there was an objection made, as Pentonville is a closed prison now, but the tower is still in operation.
This actor who plays Watson matches perfectly my imagination