Dang remo themselves calling out my boi Michael haha people always Trynna doubt remo you guys have great products it's pretty obvious you'd never use spray paint to coat heads.
I actually read a forum on this kind of thing, and the guy who painted the heads said that he carefully sanded the head first to give it some texture so the paint will adhere better, then sprayed only 1-2 thick coats on, and the pictures showed that it actually worked. Wish I could post the link to the forum but I forgot. I would say you should retry it.
I was going to say, you would have to lightly sand the head to give it grip and then give the head thicker, but less coats. This way the paint will stick to the head. It probably wouldn't last as long as a real coated head, but it would be much more durable than these heads. That's why the refinished coated head held up where there was coating. The paint had something to grip.
I was gonna suggest that too. But maybe Remos coating has some sort of adhesive mixed in too, so that it'll stick. Maybe next time give the spray gun a go with some home brewed tinctures? :P
i would suggest maybe using that plastidip kinda paint, it's more flexible? they use is to paint cars and kinda works like a spray on sticker. and that sticks on smooth surfaces
I've used this textured spray paint successfully the way it was intended (static rather than dynamic) on the inside of a drum. Specifically, I converted my 1983 Tama Imperialstar 18" floor tom into a bass drum. When drilling the holes for the new lugs and bass drum spurs, I experienced more break out than I wanted (even holding a piece of 2x4 sanded to match the contour of the interior of the drum). The 8 ply mahogany (luan) shells are pretty brittle. In any case, I filled in all the break outs with wood epoxy, sanded smooth, and then used the textured spray paint in lieu of the original "Zola" coat that Tama used. I have to say, after a few coats and some light sanding, it looks great. Allot of extra work for the inside of the drum but when you look through the 5" port on the resonant head, it doesn't look like I modified it with a shotgun anymore.
As a painter and stainer, I would have scuffed the skins with hi-grit sand paper or steel wool before painting them, but I seriously doubt the coating was cans of spray paint (auto primer may be closer to actual coating though). Still wouldn’t do it myself but even the krylon plastic coating paint I’d still scuff the surface even though it says it doesn’t need it.
My immediate reaction was that you added too many layers. Then when you mentioned that the paint stuck to the coating better, I realized you should have lightly sanded the heads first for the paint to stick. I will say that those drums sounded pretty damn good before the paint started flying.
When I used to paint plastic with spraypaint, I would put a layer of clear acrylic sealer on top of the paint in order to essentially "seal" it in. It prevented chipping and did a good job protecting against scratches. Could that work on one of the drum heads? I've got no clue but it couldn't hurt to try if you're bored lol. I'd do it myself if I had access to any drums right now.
This is a good thing to use in practise sessions moving fast around the kit, as it instantly shows the accuracy of your hitting.... like getting a tight pattern of shots on a paper target with a pistol
I work in a auto body shop well theres different types of paint like you could get a vinyl and fabric paint it moves with the plastic so it dont crack like how it did on you and you should of sand down the drumhead before painting it will give it a cleaner look and the paint will have something to grab on
It’s a lot more bright and open without he paint most likely due to the paint muffling the head and when it is removed the drum creates a more wide open sound.
Ive seen some people suggest maybe sanding the head so it sticks better, and also maybe trying fewer coats of paint so its thinner and able to flex with the head more, or maybe even a latex based paint. Im not sure what the kind you used was.
if you get a cheap airbrush setup, you can mix your own textured coating, start with textured spray paint, add some flexible additive and scotchbrite the head, also only put 1 decent coat on it, as a spray painter i imagine it would work
Hey dave, love the channel. will you do a video on removing stickers from bass drum heads. I bought an awesome kit but some douche put a couple stickers on the head.
I agree with less coats, a little pre sanding, and maybe applying with it having a slight bit of tension on it. No where near the tension of tuning it, but just enough so when u do tune it, it was already "primed" to be tuned.
You should try adding your own dots to heads. I took an old 2-ply head and made myself a few dots that I glued into pinstripes. They have a much warmer, thicker tone now and totally sound better than just pins on that kit. I also used the remaining rings in the same way you would moongels.
Hi Dave,I had a can of Ludwig Ruff / Cote in 1971 ish, it was for doing this , I think it worked ok, but I heard they stopped selling it because the paint was poisonous....I'm still around however.
I had to dot this for marching quads in an emergency ounce so that all of the heads would match for a competition. I only used two coats of non-textured spray paint and it lasted as long as the head underneath did.
The paint sticks to a rough surface apparently. Perhaps roughing the head up with a bit of sandpaper or a not-too-hard sandblast... I dunno, I don't try to re-furbish drum heads.. I have the most success with Ludwig heavy 1-ply for long lasting use.
pretty sure you need the plastic additive to paint on flexible surfaces. its actually used in the painting industry to spray vinyl seats and leathers ect. Its really flexible. maybe just a textured paint next time?
Hey rdavidr you should try to make a homemade microphone for your snare or overheads. That would be very interesting. Love your vids!! Keep up the awesomed drumming.
The snare drum head in the back practice room of our band hall at schooooooool has this sort of problem. It's a 120020030 Year old Ludwig Heavy generic that came with the snare.
I would suggest using plastic dip maybe Krylon satin fusion paint because it satin which we get a rougher finish and also it's supposed to stick to plastic.
You have to use another spray like clear matte lacquer, apply several thin codes and wait more time between them, finally you can get strong vague-translucent white coat.
I love the time lapse stuff and the slow down parts! since everyone is saying plastidip and sanding the head first, and maybe one or two coats of paint. I would do another video or plastidip vs. paint. vs. paint on the underneath of the skin just to have a laugh. oh and that water in or around the drum with led comment was cool.
Hey can you give it another go with maybe different paints and maybe try the heard in to dry it lol. The only reason I suggest this is because in the factory the coated heads would probably go thru a oven that'll set the coating instantly idk if paint would work but maybe it's worth another go.
Maybe you should roughen up the surface of the head with some fine-medium sandpaper?? idk but i know evans do do that with their coated heads, maybe it will help it stick to the head better? just a thought. Great videos btw, the channel is growing quick
On a pearl single ply head I just used a cheap can of flat white paint did two light coats . Did not chip . Worked well . ( I didn’t sand them either )
Hey David, great videos. Do you think you could make an DIY for a kick drum...stand? You know, like if you wanted to use it like a high tom, metal style. Glam, fashion show, I mean. Thanks!
try using the spray you used to replicate vic firth gripped sticks! the coating is more durable. I would suggest doing only one maybe two coats though because of the viscosity
I left a factory coated head in my shed and when it froze the coating flaked off and looked like instant potato mix. It wasn't a Remo but it was a big name brand.
LMAO 🤣 Visiting this video again, to watch the Sped-up parts where that Blast-beat...Ping...blast-beat part is. Paint chips flying everywhere, more blast-beats... love it! 🤣
as an old painter and decorator, i would suggest either using a fine fine wt dry sand paper to sand the clear heads and this will create a porous surface for the paint to adhere to a little better... or even use a primer, and for the texture you can actualy use sand or any grit you fancy.. maybe evans and remo heat treat their heads for the coated finish? or they have a special type of paint that doesnt get so brittle and break off when played???? so i would try a fine sand paper.. or a fine glass bead or sand ,sand blasting rig and then just primer... and maybe only two light coats??? idk???
Hey Dave, do you have any experience with a sub-kick? I think that would be an interesting build episode, maybe an old snare and shuv a speaker in there? :) cant wait for the next build video. Peace!
Ok I may be crazy. But how would it be getting your kit coated like this for a gig and though out the show your kit just changes. That sounds cool to me.
Try just doing one coat. I feel like doing 4 is just way too much. You could also try sanding down the head a little so the paint sticks onto the head a bit better
I'd say maybe try a much thinner layer, maybe two coats max. That should still leave you with the texture for brushes without giving it the sticks much material to dig into and chew through/peel the coating.
That isn't coating. We mix our own coating in house here at Remo! #teamremo
and it's lovely! thanks guys. the coated ambassadors are always great heads all around the set
nice 👍
Dang remo themselves calling out my boi Michael haha people always Trynna doubt remo you guys have great products it's pretty obvious you'd never use spray paint to coat heads.
I love you Remo
Remo you are great but I need to try Evans just so I can say I can
4:50 - metal drummers be like
hahahahaha totally xD
that blast beat tho
Gotta blast
I Hate PT Cruisers lmaooo
That is black metal
I actually hear if you tape napkins to the top of the head it's an exact replica of most factory coated heads...
#revolutionaryconcept
Hello I prevail drummer lol Nice seeing you
Buuu 👎🏽 thats for cats that can’t tune drums u dont want any shit like that when u can tune drums right ! Just saying
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4:50 Dave can blast?
the sickest blast beats
Yo are those 128th notes
He must be a metal drummer.
I'm laughing like a hyena XD
oh my god
0:57 this isn't rocket surgery
Thought I was the only one who said that
I think he is referencing the movie Boondock Saints 2
And it doesn't take rocket appliances.
4:50 a brief summary of technical death metal drumming
I actually read a forum on this kind of thing, and the guy who painted the heads said that he carefully sanded the head first to give it some texture so the paint will adhere better, then sprayed only 1-2 thick coats on, and the pictures showed that it actually worked. Wish I could post the link to the forum but I forgot. I would say you should retry it.
just a thought though, nice vid
I was going to say, you would have to lightly sand the head to give it grip and then give the head thicker, but less coats. This way the paint will stick to the head. It probably wouldn't last as long as a real coated head, but it would be much more durable than these heads. That's why the refinished coated head held up where there was coating. The paint had something to grip.
Maybe less coats would make make the paint more flexible?
I thought that too.
mooore sanding :DDDD
sanding the drum heads? How would you even go about doing that?
+Sterling Pierce I thought it was a joke beacause thats what rdavidr says certainly. "more sanding" .. look at 25 $ drum set vids :)
+Sterling Pierce I wanted to say frequently or often, not certainly.. sorry for my bad english. I have still lot of things to learn :)
4:50 I know that Dimmu Borgir's song.
ChristianIce demon burger!
Jimmy Neutron's intro @ 4:50
ChristianIce the maelstrom mephisto
Christian che ci fai qua?
söundz laik ä fuckinjg träktör
"Rocket surgery"
😂😂😂
I was about to type that yeah wtf
It's super common for people to use this phrase
lol I was just gonna say that
Yep, it's a joke. :-)
YESSS... the heat gun trick finally makes an appearance... That's gold Jerry, GOLD!
What does the heat gun trick do?
@@logan.putnam fixes the dents and such in old stretched out drumheads.
@@logan.putnam makes illusions
Rocket surgery
Epic blast beat at 4:48
Dirk Verbeuren will play triangle when he sees this.
Well for the paint to stick the surface must be rough. the plastic on the head is buttery smooth so uhm.. sand it?
Makes sense now
I was gonna suggest that too. But maybe Remos coating has some sort of adhesive mixed in too, so that it'll stick. Maybe next time give the spray gun a go with some home brewed tinctures? :P
i would suggest maybe using that plastidip kinda paint, it's more flexible? they use is to paint cars and kinda works like a spray on sticker.
and that sticks on smooth surfaces
Yeah plastidip would be good.
wouldnt plastidip muffle the sound because of its softer qualities?
Glad I'm not the only one who says "rocket surgery."
Me too.
I've used this textured spray paint successfully the way it was intended (static rather than dynamic) on the inside of a drum. Specifically, I converted my 1983 Tama Imperialstar 18" floor tom into a bass drum. When drilling the holes for the new lugs and bass drum spurs, I experienced more break out than I wanted (even holding a piece of 2x4 sanded to match the contour of the interior of the drum). The 8 ply mahogany (luan) shells are pretty brittle. In any case, I filled in all the break outs with wood epoxy, sanded smooth, and then used the textured spray paint in lieu of the original "Zola" coat that Tama used. I have to say, after a few coats and some light sanding, it looks great. Allot of extra work for the inside of the drum but when you look through the 5" port on the resonant head, it doesn't look like I modified it with a shotgun anymore.
Man, they actually sounded really good before they started chipping.
Wait just one second, I can't trust everyone on the internet? This is a sad day my friends :-(
Yep spread the word to the Republicans.
@@rakridge who?
4:50 is the powerfulest blast beat you've ever seen
4:52 when you low key high key mid key thought he was actually playing without time lapse
I believe it was Remo that used to put out a product called "Ruff Coat." Worked quite well.
Actually it was Ludwig that had 'Ruff coat'
@@leomartinez9198 I stand corrected.
that will suck to clean up but hey atleast cleaning isn't rocket surgery...
you can also spill milk on it and freeze it lol
2:57 - Perhaps that's why he said it was the exact same coating as Remo uses.
i did this exact thing just to make a 'brush pad for couch time'. worked perfectly. 2 years ago, still going strong and sounds great
As a painter and stainer, I would have scuffed the skins with hi-grit sand paper or steel wool before painting them, but I seriously doubt the coating was cans of spray paint (auto primer may be closer to actual coating though). Still wouldn’t do it myself but even the krylon plastic coating paint I’d still scuff the surface even though it says it doesn’t need it.
Extreme blasting 600 bpm!! :D
Yeaaaah lml
Nechtan is jealous ^^
My immediate reaction was that you added too many layers. Then when you mentioned that the paint stuck to the coating better, I realized you should have lightly sanded the heads first for the paint to stick. I will say that those drums sounded pretty damn good before the paint started flying.
during the sped up parts, i was like "well David went to death metal". Nice blasts bro. ha ha ha ha.
When I used to paint plastic with spraypaint, I would put a layer of clear acrylic sealer on top of the paint in order to essentially "seal" it in. It prevented chipping and did a good job protecting against scratches. Could that work on one of the drum heads? I've got no clue but it couldn't hurt to try if you're bored lol. I'd do it myself if I had access to any drums right now.
Can you make a marching snare plz
This is a good thing to use in practise sessions moving fast around the kit, as it instantly shows the accuracy of your hitting.... like getting a tight pattern of shots on a paper target with a pistol
I work in a auto body shop well theres different types of paint like you could get a vinyl and fabric paint it moves with the plastic so it dont crack like how it did on you and you should of sand down the drumhead before painting it will give it a cleaner look and the paint will have something to grab on
It’s a lot more bright and open without he paint most likely due to the paint muffling the head and when it is removed the drum creates a more wide open sound.
Ever tried using old snare wires as a sizzle for a ride? Works out pretty cool
Ive seen some people suggest maybe sanding the head so it sticks better, and also maybe trying fewer coats of paint so its thinner and able to flex with the head more, or maybe even a latex based paint. Im not sure what the kind you used was.
if you get a cheap airbrush setup, you can mix your own textured coating, start with textured spray paint, add some flexible additive and scotchbrite the head, also only put 1 decent coat on it, as a spray painter i imagine it would work
4:51 nice blast beat lol
Hey dave, love the channel. will you do a video on removing stickers from bass drum heads. I bought an awesome kit but some douche put a couple stickers on the head.
I agree with less coats, a little pre sanding, and maybe applying with it having a slight bit of tension on it. No where near the tension of tuning it, but just enough so when u do tune it, it was already "primed" to be tuned.
Have you thought about making a video for drum restoration tips and tricks of cleaning a squeaky bass drum pedal
What you want to use is Lanco elastomeric roof coating. Get it at Home Depot. It has consistency that will hold up to drumming.
You should try adding your own dots to heads. I took an old 2-ply head and made myself a few dots that I glued into pinstripes. They have a much warmer, thicker tone now and totally sound better than just pins on that kit. I also used the remaining rings in the same way you would moongels.
Hi Dave,I had a can of Ludwig Ruff / Cote in 1971 ish, it was for doing this , I think it worked ok, but I heard they stopped selling it because the paint was poisonous....I'm still around however.
I had to dot this for marching quads in an emergency ounce so that all of the heads would match for a competition. I only used two coats of non-textured spray paint and it lasted as long as the head underneath did.
i would think better finish if you painted the inside of the head
Could you please try plasti dipping drum heads for toms, snare and bass? That would be so cool to test the sound of :D
you should try sanding the heads with fine grit to make the coating stick better
Use Glidden Gripper primer first and then top with Behr Ultra exterior paint in semigloss.( use a small foam roller )
weres the plasti diped head I recommend like 7months ago
The paint sticks to a rough surface apparently. Perhaps roughing the head up with a bit of sandpaper or a not-too-hard sandblast... I dunno, I don't try to re-furbish drum heads.. I have the most success with Ludwig heavy 1-ply for long lasting use.
4:19 get to the choppa!!!!.
That paint advise trolled you pretty bad 😂
pretty sure you need the plastic additive to paint on flexible surfaces. its actually used in the painting industry to spray vinyl seats and leathers ect. Its really flexible.
maybe just a textured paint next time?
Hey rdavidr you should try to make a homemade microphone for your snare or overheads. That would be very interesting. Love your vids!! Keep up the awesomed drumming.
The snare drum head in the back practice room of our band hall at schooooooool has this sort of problem. It's a 120020030 Year old Ludwig Heavy generic that came with the snare.
I kind of thought it would chip away and fly off everywhere. Trippy video Dave. Nice work.
I would suggest using plastic dip maybe Krylon satin fusion paint because it satin which we get a rougher finish and also it's supposed to stick to plastic.
You have to use another spray like clear matte lacquer, apply several thin codes and wait more time between them, finally you can get strong vague-translucent white coat.
I love the time lapse stuff and the slow down parts! since everyone is saying plastidip and sanding the head first, and maybe one or two coats of paint. I would do another video or plastidip vs. paint. vs. paint on the underneath of the skin just to have a laugh. oh and that water in or around the drum with led comment was cool.
I bet you could paint the underside of the head to get a decent tone.
We should do a little research on the coating mixture. Maybe sanding or "roughing" the actual head for more adhesion would have helped to.
I know you don't do the bass drum beaters series anymore. But you should bring it back for a video with microphones as beaters.
Hey can you give it another go with maybe different paints and maybe try the heard in to dry it lol. The only reason I suggest this is because in the factory the coated heads would probably go thru a oven that'll set the coating instantly idk if paint would work but maybe it's worth another go.
Maybe you should roughen up the surface of the head with some fine-medium sandpaper?? idk but i know evans do do that with their coated heads, maybe it will help it stick to the head better? just a thought. Great videos btw, the channel is growing quick
3:50 First time ever I've heard you laughing.
plastidip ?
i had a "blast" watching this
I think it will hold up if u scuff the surface before paint.. also using a plastic adhesion promoter.
On a pearl single ply head I just used a cheap can of flat white paint did two light coats . Did not chip . Worked well . ( I didn’t sand them either )
Hey David, great videos. Do you think you could make an DIY for a kick drum...stand? You know, like if you wanted
to use it like a high tom, metal style. Glam, fashion show, I mean. Thanks!
try using the spray you used to replicate vic firth gripped sticks! the coating is more durable. I would suggest doing only one maybe two coats though because of the viscosity
I left a factory coated head in my shed and when it froze the coating flaked off and looked like instant potato mix. It wasn't a Remo but it was a big name brand.
So how long did it take you to pick up all the paint chips? heh..
vacuum
@@rdavidr XD
about the suitcase drum set; when are you going to make a video about the remote hi-hat pedal?
0:57 ROCKET SURGERY? hahaha :D
I've tried plasti dip guys, I've even tried spray-on pickup truck bed liner. It all comes off. Pretty easily.
Your snare sounds awesome!!!
Daves got some wicked blast beat skillz
Make a video of you putting a snare rattle on a tomtom drum
Out of curiosity, where do you get your inspiration to do all of these different projects?
can you try to make a snare drum with loads and loads( and loads) of those tension things ( to tighten them with a drum key)
LMAO 🤣
Visiting this video again, to watch the
Sped-up parts where that
Blast-beat...Ping...blast-beat part is.
Paint chips flying everywhere,
more blast-beats... love it! 🤣
I might try this, but sand the head a little before, so the paint has somthing to bite on to
yes maybe a light sand to key to would have held and what about a paint with polyma s in to bend.
Hey David, u should make bass drum beaters that look like fists, like its punching the drum head idk i think it will look really cool
as an old painter and decorator, i would suggest either using a fine fine wt dry sand paper to sand the clear heads and this will create a porous surface for the paint to adhere to a little better... or even use a primer, and for the texture you can actualy use sand or any grit you fancy..
maybe evans and remo heat treat their heads for the coated finish? or they have a special type of paint that doesnt get so brittle and break off when played????
so i would try a fine sand paper.. or a fine glass bead or sand ,sand blasting rig and then just primer... and maybe only two light coats??? idk???
THATS WHAT I DID AND IT WORKED ON MY BASS DRUM RESO HEAD 26 INCH THEN RE DECAL
Hey Dave, do you have any experience with a sub-kick? I think that would be an interesting build episode, maybe an old snare and shuv a speaker in there? :) cant wait for the next build video. Peace!
But can you make a painting from a bass drum resonant head?
+rdavidr would you be able to make a snare drum for me I love how you make some of your own drums! And how much would it cost?
I would suggest lightly sanding the drum head to toughen it up before applying the coat
Use primer first? Also what about plastidip?
An adhesion promoter should have been used, that may have helped prevent the paint from chipping.
Ok I may be crazy. But how would it be getting your kit coated like this for a gig and though out the show your kit just changes. That sounds cool to me.
Try just doing one coat. I feel like doing 4 is just way too much. You could also try sanding down the head a little so the paint sticks onto the head a bit better
what if u use a few sanding paper on the drum heads before painting them?? that would add a few durability...
So you do have anymore snare and cymbals
how about add the coating at the other side of the same drum skin? I mean the side facing the inside of the drum.
Do a diy concert bass drum and concert snare drum (ones you see in school bands)
How about water-sanding the heads so that the paint can stick better?
I'd say maybe try a much thinner layer, maybe two coats max. That should still leave you with the texture for brushes without giving it the sticks much material to dig into and chew through/peel the coating.
4:50 - 5:10 BLACK METALLLL