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You missed a really important part of this cheating scandal. The Civ 6 community uses mods that slightly change the map RNG and resource spawns for a more balanced game. When one of the balance mods updated, it became incompatible with civ replay for a while. Andrew’s activity in competitive play severely decreased during this time, he basically took a break waiting for Civ replay to return, and when it did he returned to the community. Then after he was caught cheating, he used games that he played whilst civ Replay was down in an attempt to clear his name, using them as examples of him playing suboptimally. In his attempt to claim that he didn’t use Cheating software, he used games that he played whist it was impossible for him to cheat.
@douggieharrison6913 these types of people definitely exist, I'm one of them. I feel it's the same type of person that says "one can do" instead of "you can do", for example. It's honestly the more correct/polite way of conversing. "You" can be seen as confrontational in many situations
I know, right? Only an absolute _scumbag_ would even threaten to sue over video game cheating accusations. Imagine how much of a total POS one would have to be to actually _do it_ ...
As someone on the original video said, the guy’s ban appeal was literally “your honor, my client couldnt have been the serial killer! No one was killed on the week he lost his lucky knife!”
For context (since Karl didn't mention it) Andrew played almost no games during a particular month when civ replay was incompatible with the current patch. When the tool we suspect he uses of cheating became unusable, he didn't play.
@ yup, and it took him a couple games to find that out, he uses those games as part of his appeal where he went “See, look at these! I dont cheat on all my games because i didnt cheat on these two!” and those two were the only games he played during the time period the replay tool didnt work with the mod
@@notme8232it’s been a while since I’ve watched Death Note but wasn’t that valid cause someone still died of a heart attack while Kira was under investigation? This case would be like if no body died during that time period, and then immediately after the investigation stopped someone’s heart blows up.
Tbh, one could reliably know the general shape of a map before playing on a chosen map. For instance four-leaf clover, generally makes a four-leaf clover pattern. Wow such insanity, yeah? But in a randomized map, yeah there's no way to tell before playing, without memorizing a map seed, and inserting it prior to map generation.
@@PostTraumaticChessDisorderDream is (still I guess?) a famous speedrunner that was proved with a lot of evidence and reviews that he cheated. From what I remembered, he will go and modify Minecraft's data and RNG to favor him a lot due to having a vast knowledge of how it worked. And no, he wasn't exploiting the game engine, he literally grabbed and changed the values to always get the best of the best in his runs. That's where the "Dream Luck" thing comes from.
A mathematician created a measurement he called the "10 billion-human-second-century" to demonstrate how lucky that really was. Basically, if you had 10 billion humans perform a task every second for 100 years without rest, they would have performed that task an absurdly high number of times. I think 3x10^19th times or something like that, and he defined that as the upper bound of how lucky something can be while still realistically happening (1 in 3x10^19th). Dream's luck was something like 1 in 2x10^21st, which means 2 extra digits, or 100x less likely. Edit: Fixed the incorrect notation, as pointed out by Bronzescorpion.
dream luck was already a phrase before dream. It just so happens that now, instead of just meaning the luck you are hoping for, you may have luck to the Nth degree, that's so absurd it's basically impossible.
I had already seen Herson’s video before this one, and had no idea how unsportsmanlike and terrible Andrew is, because the video was very professional, respectable, and stuck to facts. For Andrew to claim the video and for those reasons he gave is ridiculous
Ditto! By the end of Herson's video I was really impressed by the investigation and was left shaking my head imagining Andrew doing the standard _"quickly & quietly wipe presence from internet"_ cheater exit. Now I'm picturing him hunched over his keyboard, furiously typing his responses & feeling outraged that he actually got caught... it's quite the contrast!
I genuinely thought Karl reuploaded this because I remember seeing this exact scandal before. Think the issue was that the recommendations from that video were Karl videos, and I started binge watching him, so the memory got muddied in my mind.
I didn't either. Though Herson did point out that Andrew not only wanted to come first. He basically had to come first because even a close second against the second ranked player lost him ranking score. So hearing it from Karl does cause him being such make sense.
As a software dev myself, it's pretty trivial to change the creation date on files. In particular- You don't even need any special software or programs to do it. There's a 10-30 second window where, if you delete a file and rename a different file to the exact same name that you deleted, it'll have the same Created and Modified Date as the deleted file. It's a kludge in Windows to maintain a file's info when saving over it.
in Linux we use faketime to set create/modify/access timestamps. it's possible (though unlikely) that he used a network share and faketime to create a new save with the date in the past touch can also do this, but only with modify and access times
I can't help but picture Andrew as the guy from that World of Warcraft South Park episode. Cheating at Civ 6 is literally his life if he is that desperate.
Ironically, I think in his case, he became worse as a player because he used so many cheats. That's the problem, he was so used to having the initial advantage of scouting, and always trying to play against weaker players that he must have atrophied as a player. He was getting more and more rusty, slower and slower and making more and more tactical mistakes despite knowing perfectly where everything was. Another reason to never use cheats, you only get worse as a player.
It doesn't quite fit the definition of a crutch per-say, but in his case it definitely became one. He was far too dependant on having stuff taken care of that once it was taken away he struggled to match his opponents.
Yeah, as a Civ 6 player I read some of the cheating manifesto Karl had on the screen. What I saw of his grand strategy seemed like standard stuff you’d pick up almost immediately, like going for tribal villages and city-states first. I typically turn off tribal villages and limit the number of city-states at the beginning of the game because they’re overpowered and can quickly make games lopsided and feel like cheating even when earned. But that’s partly because I only play against the computer and it doesn’t know how to optimize that stuff. Unearned success is like empty calories that only make you hungrier because you never feel satisfied.
@@kempolar9768 That's the interesting thing. He still had his cheats, but lost to a better player anyway. He was also naturally playing against inferior players, likely because he was worried the more-experienced players might watch back the game and see his unusual scouting choices, especially with how much of a bad sport he tended to be.
I'm sure this is a thing, honestly. If you're good at the game, even moderately good, grinding the game win or lose will result in you getting better. If all of your games are no-skill cheat-a-thons because you're so pathetic that you can't risk losing a game ever, and if you never play someone on your level … you don't get better. In fact if you ever had any talent, it'll go unused and those synapses just become weaker connections. Cheaters DO make themselves worse at the game by constantly cheating.
@@kempolar9768 I think any kind of cheat used long enough will function as a crutch. Impossible to prove objectively because we'd have to clone someone and let them go through multiple timelines 😂😂😂however I suspect that Player A that played legit the whole time vs. Player B that cheats consistently say for a year or so and then is forced to play legit would be at a significantly lower skill than the normal non-cheating version. The human brain adapts to circumstances and if you always have an unfair advantage, you're definitely going to lose some of your ability.
Naah, nah, nah. Don't give him this much credit. In that big doc there's less than 20 pages of actual text. The rest is all pictures. I very much doubt he'd be able to write this much without cheating with chat gpt.
Absolute comedy that he tried to make an argument that he used a predictive model for settlements based on what the map looks like... but forgot that you only can use that model anyways if you already know what the map looks like. But yeah, this once again shows why misinformation spreads so quickly - it takes 30 seconds to tell 10 lies, but it often takes hours to debunk them, because the human brain for some reason never asks for actual proof or evidence for the first claim.
It’s a primitive thing. Ignoring or doubting a crucial info gets you killed in a natural-state-environment easily, while getting lied to is merely an inconvenience for the most part. The shackles of biology…
Weak Aura: "I-I'm not cheating. Here, I've got a 100 plus google doc that proves I'm not cheating!!" Strong Aura: "You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt,"
6:33 If anyone's wondering why this complaint caused such a thorough analysis, it's because competitive Civ6 is played using a couple of community balance mods, one of which alters the order map generation is done in order to give all players the best starting location possible so everyone's on even footing. If someone did get generated into a terrible position there's a few factors could need to be tweaked in said mod to stop it happening again, which warrants a closer look.
@@Beljeth This is an excellent broad-stokes overview of the situation but looking at this video alone considering Andrew's reputation as a poor sport his complaint could have been seen as an excuse for a witch hunt. Just figured it was worth sharing that his choice of complaint absolutely invited the kind of analysis that got him exposed.
@@KPX01 There's no need, Civ6's netcode is notoriously unstable. If you're using any mod different from everyone else in the lobby, even something passive like a map revealer, it'll inevitably cause desyncs. In a wild bit of serendipity the game's multiplayer instability makes it impossible to cheat using unapproved mods because trying will break the game ten times out of ten.
@@Dramenknight152 Especially with how long the cheating was going on, how boisterous Andrew was, etc. When you make a spectacle of yourself, people make an example of you.
Herson is a fantastic channel for anyone interested in Civ 6, especially with a predisposition to multiplayer. I'm just a casual single player pleb but his videos explaining Commercial hubs and internal trade routes were a game changer for me when I was first learning.
The moment someone issues a DMCA takedown on a video that criticizes them, regardless of whether the criticism is valid or not, they lose all the respect they could have. That’s not what the system is for. Not only is potential defamation not a copyright issue, but any time someone has used the DMCA to silence someone, they’ve been shown to be exactly what they were accused of being.
Right. I’ve never seen someone issue a false DMCA claim who happened to be telling the truth and was just tying to protect themselves. 100 times out of 100, it’s always liars trying to silence the truth.
While I have seen non-liars use false DMCA take-downs to try to silence criticism, it almost always stems from ignorance of how copyright works or a personality that will "embrace any tactic in order to win". If you're going to try to defend yourself against cheating alegations, doing so in a way that shows ignance of or disregard for actual laws is the worst kind of bad look.
@@Grizabeeblescan't hate them. If the system wasn't so hilariously broken, they wouldn't be able to abuse it. Copyright as a concept only exists at this point to keep Mickey Mouse out of the public domain lol.
Nintendo recently started doing that to get rid of videos where they play on emulator, claiming that they own the emulator. Which cannot be owned due to the public license.
@@chee.rah.monurB Never heard of any D&D thing related to Quill18. I used to watch him for EU4 videos A LOT back in the day, so yeah I know him from gaming for sure.
@@voeniix I'm sure he's great,but my first time seeing him is from Tales From My D&D Campaign.I'm sure he's decent at what he does,like Yogscast or CohhCarnage,but I haven't had the time to watch him yet. I highly reccomend TDDC though,it gets so much better when the party return to the country of Verandi.
Just a funny fact for people, at 13:40 it shows an image where the pink line is representing scout movement (I would guess based upon how many tiles he claims he moved) However, when he hits the desert tiles, he discovers The Eye of Sahara World Wonder. (For added context the first level to get a unit upgrade takes 15Xp to get, discovering a world wonder gives you 12 and getting a tribal village gives you 6). The third pink dot from the end is where he ended his scouts movement, after that he moves across 2 flat tiles which costs 2 movement points, then onto a hill which costs 2 movement points. Scouts base game have 3 movement points, so he wouldn't have been able to get on the hill, HOWEVER, scouts can get an upgrade at the first level that gives them half movement on hills. This means the only way he could've gotten on that hill is by getting a tribal village earlier on (as he would've gotten 6xp from, plus the 12 from Eye of Sahara) meaning he intentionally removed a tribal village from his map.
@@lukaszzylik4437 summary: a tribal village that Andrew removed was necessary for the scout to move like it did, so the image itself proves it's doctored all on its own. don't let me stop you from punching something though
@@lukaszzylik4437 tldr. is, Andrew edited the image at 13:40, because the movement he's scout is making at the end is IMPOSSIBLE unless there was a tribal village (or goody hut as the community calls them) beeing along the scouts path. Also, sir, pls. stop smashing the furniture, this is a Wendy's, not a Waffle House
"This cheater did so many things, and even tried to sue the channel who exposed him... now let's look at the history of this cheater" Karl being a legend and risking another unwarranted law suit
Seems like the most humiliating thing that could happen to a cheater with a big ego: cheating, playing very badly in spite of cheating, then getting caught for complaining about playing badly
Thanks for mentioning Herson's video so thoroughly and providing links. It is a good indicator of your character to not try to hog the spotlight, and instead participate with other creators to support each other.
I had such a strong feeling of deja vu that I thought this was a reupload. Only realised it was a Herson's video that I watched before when he mentioned it. It was a good one since I could remember most of this stuff.
Sorry to tell you but, Karl is going to lose. Not because he is in the wrong, but his lawyer that was the most expensive in history, "because he is good" might be a fraud and probably ruined the whole thing.
Usually I'd be annoyed by this sort of cheating, but all I felt was pity. Throwing his weight around in such a small community, getting caught cheating, speding god knows how long creating pages and pages of nonsense defence, throwing copyright strikes, threatening the community with lawsuits. It's just such a sad existence, what a waste of a life.
Even sadder is his failure and humiliation getting bigger than what his gains due to cheating could ever have been, since now it’s not the small civ6 community but the entire speedrunning community, heck, just people interested in gaming and speedrunning that mock and laugh at him! Absolutely pitiful.
It is common occurrence. Someone plays the game for several years, are confident in their skills, so they think they are entitled to victory and that juicy #1 spot, so they cheat in order to get something they think is rightfully theirs.
Cheaters like this disgust me. Bragging about yourself whilst knowing that you're only winning because you have an unfair advantage, where is the satisfaction in that? Being at the top of the leaderboard means nothing if you're not playing the game by the same rules. And even when he's found out he lies, deflects, and threatens legal action??? Disgusting, spineless behavior. Glad he got caught!
seriously, isn't it weird to brag while cheating and intentionally picking weaker lobbies?!? It's like taking on middle schoolers in basketball and taking performance enhancing drugs and then act like you won the olympics.
People like him dont care about the "way to the top", they only care for the result and as long as they see themself on the top of a ranking ingame or on the leaderboard, they are satisfied. They truly don't care about using any immoral advantage to place themselves above others, hence he cheats in his games and intentionally preferes lobbies with weaker players.
"What sort of person would cheat at the Civilisation games?" **hides a box of Yorkshire Gold** yes... who exactly would show this game as perfectly balanced with no exploits what so ever? That being said, at least SpiffingBrit is open and honest about his shenanigans
yea lol its one thing to cheat while messing around with friends and make a video out of it, its an entirely other thing to go onto competitive leader boards and do the same thing while bragging about how "good" you are at the game lmao.
I got the Herson video recommended to me about a week or so ago, so when I saw the title of the video I knew exactly what it was gonna be about, great job summarizing everything
I love how the number 1 in any ranking is either: The most respected person in the group due to their skill and tenacity. Or The most hated person because they are a massive crybaby regarding anything not going their way.
There's an irony that's not lost on me that Andrew caused his own downfall. I bet you if he wasn't so prideful he could've gotten away with cheating for a lot longer but ending up exposing his own ruse. He turned one loss into a complete loss. Honestly poetic.
Criminal who gets away with it for too long gets complacent and arrogant. Liar lies so much they begin to believe their own lies. He's not the first, won't be the last
This is why every community needs to bring in ex-cheaters to sniff out the current ones. Herson's long history of cheating makes him the perfect person to find other cheaters.
@@chee.rah.monurB If you play civ, check out his guides as they have both humor and great explanations. The dissecting of Andrew cheater episode is also fantastic. If you are looking for civ games, the Rooster cup tournament series games are the sweatiest to watch which are my personal favorites. Otherwise, pick a civ you like and he has a vid of it
It was so obviously cheated in the games he did, that it's painfully cringe he's going this route. In that taken down video it showed clearly that he took long to start playing the matches because he's loading up the program that shows all the resources, and heads directly towards the resources taking the most efficient routes and not in a strategic kind of way.
I got really scared the video taken down was Herson's (sorry if I got that wrong!) 😅 I added it to my sleep Playlist because his voice was so soothing 😂😂😂
This is the only cheater on this channel I've ever felt bad for. The state of mind to work hard on over 100 pages of nonsense, all in the interest of keeping a #1 spot on a leaderboard. It's next level insecurity and I don't mean that as an insult, it's probably exhausting for him. Mentally and physically
@@_WeDontKnow_ he probably gaslit himself into thinking "I don't need these cheats to win, it's just more convenient" the human brain is very interesting.
@@dannyway1111 nah, i rather think he is so obsessed with the game, or rather his ranking (which is shown by him faking technical problems when the round isn't going in his favour), that he would literally go to any lentgh defending his cheating. A pathetic but sad human being that only values himself by his ranking in civ6 multiplayer
To no surprise, there are, too many. MS Solitaire has had since a few years, daily tournaments and there are times for clearing dozens of challenges that stay below the single minute - total time for all dozens - which is likely obtained by preparing a macro in advance of all mouse inputs (no table is random). And nobody at MS cares obviously, despite these subjects are very easy to detect because there is a global top 100 of fastest times per tournament. Some of them even share a similar name/pfp format, with no shame I guess.
The effort he put into the Google documents is nuts considering all of the massive red flags. Especially his explanation that would only work if you know the shape of the map at the start of the game which just isn't possible without cheating
"Objection! Your honor, I didn't cheat to get the locations of the huts, I only cheated to get the shape of the map and then deduced the locations of the huts from that."
Been watching your videos of cheating scandals in some random obscure games for a while now. It's really cool that I finally play one of these random games that you cover. Thanks Karl. Hope your case with Bill Mitchell is going well.
@@faceurhell It's fascinating as he seems to have started with the goal of describing a method of how to derived an unfair (knowledge of resource locations) without having stolen/decrypted that _hyper-specific_ set of information through an external-utility -- -- by describing a method that _requires_ having stolen/decrypted the wider underlying terrain map/data set. Evidently having taken for granted having this information that is typically unavailable without cheating. This would seem to imply that they're so accustomed to seeing this information in the native CIV6 interface that they've forgotten this is not true for most other players; (such as would be the case with a fog-of-war penetrating mod that back-filled the terrain-seen map/array used by the screen renderer in earlier CIV titles?) And may mean that some portion of those de-syncs were legitimate (caused by this extra modification) and not intentionally cheating by interrupting their connection. The hyper-optimal route(s) to resources would also suggest that these routes are actually calculated by the game engine when the units are given orders to go to these locations "in the dark" -- In a previous CIV title, (I forget if/what mods) one scouting strategy was to send move-orders into the dark, and see what invisible terrain changes they planned on moving around. It was an effective (but very time consuming) way to figure out if another player has done some terraforming. But also tends to prefer shorter routes (by tiles moved) over those that scouted wider areas. ((This has resulted in a few people persistently accusing me of cheating in this way at LAN parties because I tend to use shorter routes to try and evade detection.)) So I would be curious if the raw move-orders were saved and could be added to the playback as annotations.
As a longtime Warcraft player, I find it hilarious it took this long to find this dude. Maphackers were a plague for a very long time to the point where everyone had been accused at some point
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@@matuko313 I know some youtubers that only do sponsored videos of products that they like and can get behind, aparently. Or it could all be a big hoax.
@@y0mir Even if the product is good, it doesn't mean it's not overpriced. But at least it's just cereal, it's edible, allegedly doesn't taste bad, and both the amounts and prices are known upfront, so I guess it's okay.
I hope you always make videos forever!!! You're currently the only creator that I always look forward to watching, every time I see a new upload. Thank you for your thorough research and engaging videos! PS Also love the nostalgic feeling that I get every time I hear the Perfect Dark instrumental :)
Cheating really ruins the fun of civilization. What’s the point of playing a five or six hour game if you know the outcome in advance. Half the fun of CIV is the adrenaline rush of not knowing if you’re gonna win or not. It takes all the strategy and thought out of it and turns it into a button pressing simulator.
Well, there are games that do use cheat mods for all players, which can be fun sometimes, cause it inevitably leads to massive world spanning conflicts, but I doubt that would fly in the competitive scene.
Someone please tell me Andrew is a little kid. That's at least ...somewhat understandable, and there's still hope. But any adult acting like this is on a rough road. A very rough road.
The psychology of it is so interesting. His status and reputation in Civ 6 was so important to him that he was willing to do all of this. It’s a sad testament to what he probably has going on in his life.
Imagine how low you have to be to threaten to sue someone because you provided cheating evidence. What's next, claim damages of hundred of dollars, go to court and then lie more about it? I can't imagine anyone like that
Civ players when they're caught cheating: Releases 100 page document explaining how they're actually Neo and can see the code of the game. Doom players when they're caught cheating: YOU HUMOR ME GREATLY WITH YOUR ARROGANCE AND CONTEMPT!
The original video got suggested to me by TH-cam so watched it the other day so nice to see it getting more publicity and putting some more recent context to it :)
The court proceedings concluded a couple weeks ago and the judge apparently will look it over and at some point announce a verdict without much warning. It could be a couple months before that happens for all we know. Jobst has stated he won’t comment on anything until the verdict. I can’t say for sure what the verdict will be because the judge provides the “human element” here. The facts favor Jobst greatly, as Mitchell has shown to be an untrustworthy witness and there’s so many self inflicted wounds that Mitchell has given himself that has led to a loss of reputation and business opportunities. Mitchell’s buddies were bragging for months about how he squeezed Apollo out of so much money then when Jobst says the same thing suddenly it’s so traumatic Mitchell is sick? Give me a break! Unfortunately due to various errors they made the defense couldn’t point this out, or that people were connecting Apollo’s suicide and the settlement with Mitchell for five months prior to the Jobst video. I get where Jobst’s fans are concerned about the outcome… but if I were a Mitchell fan I’d be a lot more concerned for him. There were quite a few embarrassing contradictions on him and moment he had, his own witnesses contradicted his case unwittingly, and his case basically boils down to “Trust my words”.
You mean Perfect Pac Man? Closing arguments aren't the end of things, so let's not blow things put of proportion. Judge's opinions vary on case load. Some can pump them out in 3 weeks, some can do 2 months, 3 months. Some can do well, a lot longer.
I randomly watched the Herson video when it came out. The algorithm is learning about what I like to watch too much and now I’m scared there’s a Karl video reaction now
Player: Hey! I lost due to something unfair! Moderator: I'll check it out! Player by himself: Hehe, i'm sure they'll agree with me, cuz people like me! Moderator: Something was indeed wrong! Player: Yeah, i told you! (Wait, really?!) Moderator: Yup, you cheated! Karl and others in the speedrunner community: And this is gonna be a video!
When you brought up the map shape with hut distribution my immediate thought was "that's only useful if you know the map... which means you still have to be able to cheat to take advantage of it in the early game"
Why wouldn't it be? No way this guy actually eats it Bro just eat regular cereal and remove the bread off the next thing you eat. People kill me with gross designer protein bars too. Just eat half a snickers and have a protein shake with water.
So there’s a competitive community which is collectively that naive they all know and use a software that’s able to show the entire map since turn 1, and believe that the 3 poor excuses of security measures in place are magically going to prevent major cheating? Good one. You can be 100% sure that a major part of those "top players" are cheaters as well. You know it. They know it too, but they pretend it’s not happening.
I was going to comment some self depreciating joke making fun of Karl calling Civ a "thinking man's game" then I realized I spent 5 minutes on the sentence... (Great work as always Karl!)
When I was 8 years old, I remember cheating sometimes when playing Magic: the Gathering because I was a very bad loser and was obsessed on being the "best player" within my friend group. I grew past that very quick, but I still remember the general feeling of having such a toxic ego. It just felt good being on top, regardless of if I deserved it or not. This Andrew strikes me as the same kind of guy. He is the type of person who'd feel offended if anyone ever dared to take his spotlight, since he believes he was "earned" the right to be at the top. Anyway, it really is a shame. I mean, I don't know how much difference does the scouting make in the general skill level within the top of Civ players, if the difference is either huge or paper thin, just enough to break the balance. But if he managed to beat them all so consistently with just a single extra tool, that would mean that he still is a hell of a player capable of getting a good position within the ranking even without those cheats, am I wrong? Basically, another Riollu, who was one of the greats in Trackmania even when he wasn't cheating, but ended his whole career due to his cheating scandals. Again, such a shame.
Looking how the cheating was found from a replay, ai in cheat moderation may be the future. using it to flag potentially cheated games, where a moderator could view that game manually. Would save in a lot of manpower and catch cases like these earlier.
Imagine threatening to sue someone because they accused you of cheating...
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no one would ever do that ever!
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You missed a really important part of this cheating scandal. The Civ 6 community uses mods that slightly change the map RNG and resource spawns for a more balanced game. When one of the balance mods updated, it became incompatible with civ replay for a while. Andrew’s activity in competitive play severely decreased during this time, he basically took a break waiting for Civ replay to return, and when it did he returned to the community. Then after he was caught cheating, he used games that he played whilst civ Replay was down in an attempt to clear his name, using them as examples of him playing suboptimally.
In his attempt to claim that he didn’t use Cheating software, he used games that he played whist it was impossible for him to cheat.
"your honor, my client can't be the serial killer - he didn't stab anyone the week his knife was missing"
Smart point
do you say "whilst" instead of "while" in person too? 😂
@@youmukonpaku3168 good job copying a comment from the original video.
@douggieharrison6913 these types of people definitely exist, I'm one of them. I feel it's the same type of person that says "one can do" instead of "you can do", for example. It's honestly the more correct/polite way of conversing. "You" can be seen as confrontational in many situations
Threating to sue over cheating accusations in a video game??? Who would do such a thing???
I know, right?
Only an absolute _scumbag_ would even threaten to sue over video game cheating accusations.
Imagine how much of a total POS one would have to be to actually _do it_ ...
Billy Mitchel
I miss the old days when we had American heros like Billy "The King of Kong" Mitchell who was so dominant and honest at the same time
@@SludgeBob_ Right? Someone as honest and virtues as Billy would NEVER stoop to cheating to win.
Guilty people
As someone on the original video said, the guy’s ban appeal was literally “your honor, my client couldnt have been the serial killer! No one was killed on the week he lost his lucky knife!”
For context (since Karl didn't mention it) Andrew played almost no games during a particular month when civ replay was incompatible with the current patch.
When the tool we suspect he uses of cheating became unusable, he didn't play.
@ yup, and it took him a couple games to find that out, he uses those games as part of his appeal where he went “See, look at these! I dont cheat on all my games because i didnt cheat on these two!” and those two were the only games he played during the time period the replay tool didnt work with the mod
"I'm not Kira, Kira didn't kill anyone the week you hid a camera in my room!"
@@notme8232it’s been a while since I’ve watched Death Note but wasn’t that valid cause someone still died of a heart attack while Kira was under investigation? This case would be like if no body died during that time period, and then immediately after the investigation stopped someone’s heart blows up.
@@mzou89 I'm saying it's like if Light didn't manage to secretly kill anyone in that time frame (that's where the potato chip scene comes in)
"If you know the shape of the map you can play optimally."
"Okay, but how do you know the shape of the map before you start exploring?"
That's like saying "If you understand quantum mechanics you can learn classical physics really fast."
Tbh, one could reliably know the general shape of a map before playing on a chosen map. For instance four-leaf clover, generally makes a four-leaf clover pattern. Wow such insanity, yeah? But in a randomized map, yeah there's no way to tell before playing, without memorizing a map seed, and inserting it prior to map generation.
I love how "Dream levels of luck" both makes sense inside and outside the communities who follow speed running for _entirely_ different reasons 😂
Oh! I just got the reference 😂 clever!
I'm such a geek that I only got the Minecraft reference. Please elaborate lol
@@PostTraumaticChessDisorder the other way to interpret it is if you understand English and pretend that Dream isn't a proper noun.
@@bombans4872 That dream lad should take the dictionary to court for copyright infringement. /s
@@PostTraumaticChessDisorderDream is (still I guess?) a famous speedrunner that was proved with a lot of evidence and reviews that he cheated.
From what I remembered, he will go and modify Minecraft's data and RNG to favor him a lot due to having a vast knowledge of how it worked. And no, he wasn't exploiting the game engine, he literally grabbed and changed the values to always get the best of the best in his runs. That's where the "Dream Luck" thing comes from.
8:50 "We are reaching Dream levels of luck" I love that the phrase "Dream luck" is cemented in history now.
There is a mod for Terraria called "Dream Luck" that lets you set your Luck Value in the game to a static number, the higher the better luck.
Even out of context, the phrase kind of works.
@@skiks3562 Ya know, you are 100% correct with that.
A mathematician created a measurement he called the "10 billion-human-second-century" to demonstrate how lucky that really was. Basically, if you had 10 billion humans perform a task every second for 100 years without rest, they would have performed that task an absurdly high number of times. I think 3x10^19th times or something like that, and he defined that as the upper bound of how lucky something can be while still realistically happening (1 in 3x10^19th). Dream's luck was something like 1 in 2x10^21st, which means 2 extra digits, or 100x less likely.
Edit: Fixed the incorrect notation, as pointed out by Bronzescorpion.
dream luck was already a phrase before dream. It just so happens that now, instead of just meaning the luck you are hoping for, you may have luck to the Nth degree, that's so absurd it's basically impossible.
chess mentioned 1:15
It’s the chess account wtf
Didn’t expect to see you here!
what a strange game
the only winning move is not to play (black)
When you dropping chess 2?
I like chicken, I like liver, meow mix, meow mix, please deliver.
I had already seen Herson’s video before this one, and had no idea how unsportsmanlike and terrible Andrew is, because the video was very professional, respectable, and stuck to facts. For Andrew to claim the video and for those reasons he gave is ridiculous
Ditto! By the end of Herson's video I was really impressed by the investigation and was left shaking my head imagining Andrew doing the standard _"quickly & quietly wipe presence from internet"_ cheater exit. Now I'm picturing him hunched over his keyboard, furiously typing his responses & feeling outraged that he actually got caught... it's quite the contrast!
I genuinely thought Karl reuploaded this because I remember seeing this exact scandal before. Think the issue was that the recommendations from that video were Karl videos, and I started binge watching him, so the memory got muddied in my mind.
Omg same!
I didn't either. Though Herson did point out that Andrew not only wanted to come first. He basically had to come first because even a close second against the second ranked player lost him ranking score. So hearing it from Karl does cause him being such make sense.
I can't even find Andrew's channel
As a software dev myself, it's pretty trivial to change the creation date on files. In particular- You don't even need any special software or programs to do it. There's a 10-30 second window where, if you delete a file and rename a different file to the exact same name that you deleted, it'll have the same Created and Modified Date as the deleted file. It's a kludge in Windows to maintain a file's info when saving over it.
in Linux we use faketime to set create/modify/access timestamps. it's possible (though unlikely) that he used a network share and faketime to create a new save with the date in the past
touch can also do this, but only with modify and access times
I can't help but picture Andrew as the guy from that World of Warcraft South Park episode.
Cheating at Civ 6 is literally his life if he is that desperate.
You might be aware of this, but if you are not. The guy from South Park is pirate software father
That guy was actually good at the game though.
@@vibesmagma8451 Objection your honor, relevancy.
Keep Thor's dad our of this ^^
There's a lot of money in Twitich streaming and stuff.
Ironically, I think in his case, he became worse as a player because he used so many cheats. That's the problem, he was so used to having the initial advantage of scouting, and always trying to play against weaker players that he must have atrophied as a player. He was getting more and more rusty, slower and slower and making more and more tactical mistakes despite knowing perfectly where everything was. Another reason to never use cheats, you only get worse as a player.
It doesn't quite fit the definition of a crutch per-say, but in his case it definitely became one. He was far too dependant on having stuff taken care of that once it was taken away he struggled to match his opponents.
Yeah, as a Civ 6 player I read some of the cheating manifesto Karl had on the screen. What I saw of his grand strategy seemed like standard stuff you’d pick up almost immediately, like going for tribal villages and city-states first.
I typically turn off tribal villages and limit the number of city-states at the beginning of the game because they’re overpowered and can quickly make games lopsided and feel like cheating even when earned. But that’s partly because I only play against the computer and it doesn’t know how to optimize that stuff.
Unearned success is like empty calories that only make you hungrier because you never feel satisfied.
@@kempolar9768 That's the interesting thing. He still had his cheats, but lost to a better player anyway. He was also naturally playing against inferior players, likely because he was worried the more-experienced players might watch back the game and see his unusual scouting choices, especially with how much of a bad sport he tended to be.
I'm sure this is a thing, honestly. If you're good at the game, even moderately good, grinding the game win or lose will result in you getting better. If all of your games are no-skill cheat-a-thons because you're so pathetic that you can't risk losing a game ever, and if you never play someone on your level … you don't get better. In fact if you ever had any talent, it'll go unused and those synapses just become weaker connections. Cheaters DO make themselves worse at the game by constantly cheating.
@@kempolar9768 I think any kind of cheat used long enough will function as a crutch. Impossible to prove objectively because we'd have to clone someone and let them go through multiple timelines 😂😂😂however I suspect that Player A that played legit the whole time vs. Player B that cheats consistently say for a year or so and then is forced to play legit would be at a significantly lower skill than the normal non-cheating version. The human brain adapts to circumstances and if you always have an unfair advantage, you're definitely going to lose some of your ability.
He just started his settlers in 2nd gear and had a slice of pizza and some coke at the ready to build a granary with.
Discovery of Gunpowder in Turn 2. "I am playing the Chinese. They invented Gunpowder, you know?!"
But is Sid Meier crowning him Video Game Player of The Century?
Pizza and coke is some advanced cheating lore.
Burst out laughing at this.
Todd Todgers the son of a bitch did it again!
Don't forget about surf rock in the background!
9:53 he wrote 142 pages of lies after getting caught blatantly cheating, this guy truly has no value for his own time or anyone else's
Naah, nah, nah. Don't give him this much credit. In that big doc there's less than 20 pages of actual text. The rest is all pictures. I very much doubt he'd be able to write this much without cheating with chat gpt.
If he didn't hire somebody else, then he for sure has earned my respect...My respect for his autism 😂
the guys fcked up in the head
now you know what congress looks over before voting.
This man has built his entire ego on playing Civ, This is hilarious
Absolute comedy that he tried to make an argument that he used a predictive model for settlements based on what the map looks like... but forgot that you only can use that model anyways if you already know what the map looks like.
But yeah, this once again shows why misinformation spreads so quickly - it takes 30 seconds to tell 10 lies, but it often takes hours to debunk them, because the human brain for some reason never asks for actual proof or evidence for the first claim.
It’s a primitive thing. Ignoring or doubting a crucial info gets you killed in a natural-state-environment easily, while getting lied to is merely an inconvenience for the most part. The shackles of biology…
Weak Aura: "I-I'm not cheating. Here, I've got a 100 plus google doc that proves I'm not cheating!!"
Strong Aura: "You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt,"
Ah yes, the classic
no no you dont understand!!! he shows humility and respect, and the opponents argument hinges on jealousy, so he is innocent
6:33 If anyone's wondering why this complaint caused such a thorough analysis, it's because competitive Civ6 is played using a couple of community balance mods, one of which alters the order map generation is done in order to give all players the best starting location possible so everyone's on even footing. If someone did get generated into a terrible position there's a few factors could need to be tweaked in said mod to stop it happening again, which warrants a closer look.
Ooh, thank you, that is an interesting piece of information.
Lol, so complaining was even more of an idiot move by Andrew than I thought then
should have player check the version of mods they are using then or just have it shown on the hud or something
@@Beljeth This is an excellent broad-stokes overview of the situation but looking at this video alone considering Andrew's reputation as a poor sport his complaint could have been seen as an excuse for a witch hunt. Just figured it was worth sharing that his choice of complaint absolutely invited the kind of analysis that got him exposed.
@@KPX01 There's no need, Civ6's netcode is notoriously unstable. If you're using any mod different from everyone else in the lobby, even something passive like a map revealer, it'll inevitably cause desyncs. In a wild bit of serendipity the game's multiplayer instability makes it impossible to cheat using unapproved mods because trying will break the game ten times out of ten.
Damn, people really find a way to cheat in every gaming genre.
They really know and want to play _outside the rules._
I don’t understand people who cheat in Roblox experiences. Those people I specifically don’t understand why they cheat.
People find a way to cheat at absolutely everything in life
People even "cheated" in cookie clicker. Yeah there will always be a loser who thinks cheating makes them special.
@@unknownlegacy5290 they crave attention.
Haha, I didn't consider that Andrew would cause enough noise to get put on blast by you too, Karl. This truly has made my day better.
honestly when I saw Herson's video on my recommend and then watching it, I fully expected Karl to be on the case with his video
@@Dramenknight152I watched that one too a few days ago, not surprised at all when I saw Karl's video today.
@@Dramenknight152 Especially with how long the cheating was going on, how boisterous Andrew was, etc. When you make a spectacle of yourself, people make an example of you.
You playing civ, I assume?
Herson is a fantastic channel for anyone interested in Civ 6, especially with a predisposition to multiplayer. I'm just a casual single player pleb but his videos explaining Commercial hubs and internal trade routes were a game changer for me when I was first learning.
You know something is fishy with it when, unprompted, they send a 140 page document to say "I'm definitely not cheating."
The moment someone issues a DMCA takedown on a video that criticizes them, regardless of whether the criticism is valid or not, they lose all the respect they could have. That’s not what the system is for. Not only is potential defamation not a copyright issue, but any time someone has used the DMCA to silence someone, they’ve been shown to be exactly what they were accused of being.
CriticalNobody's come to see us!
Right. I’ve never seen someone issue a false DMCA claim who happened to be telling the truth and was just tying to protect themselves. 100 times out of 100, it’s always liars trying to silence the truth.
While I have seen non-liars use false DMCA take-downs to try to silence criticism, it almost always stems from ignorance of how copyright works or a personality that will "embrace any tactic in order to win".
If you're going to try to defend yourself against cheating alegations, doing so in a way that shows ignance of or disregard for actual laws is the worst kind of bad look.
@@Grizabeeblescan't hate them. If the system wasn't so hilariously broken, they wouldn't be able to abuse it. Copyright as a concept only exists at this point to keep Mickey Mouse out of the public domain lol.
Nintendo recently started doing that to get rid of videos where they play on emulator, claiming that they own the emulator. Which cannot be owned due to the public license.
Love how he only got exposed because he was having a tantrum about losing.
Uh,can I ask if anyone actually knows Quill18 0:05 from gaming,and NOT through _Tales from my D&D Campaign_ ?
@@chee.rah.monurB Never heard of any D&D thing related to Quill18. I used to watch him for EU4 videos A LOT back in the day, so yeah I know him from gaming for sure.
@@voeniix I'm sure he's great,but my first time seeing him is from Tales From My D&D Campaign.I'm sure he's decent at what he does,like Yogscast or CohhCarnage,but I haven't had the time to watch him yet.
I highly reccomend TDDC though,it gets so much better when the party return to the country of Verandi.
Just a funny fact for people, at 13:40 it shows an image where the pink line is representing scout movement (I would guess based upon how many tiles he claims he moved) However, when he hits the desert tiles, he discovers The Eye of Sahara World Wonder. (For added context the first level to get a unit upgrade takes 15Xp to get, discovering a world wonder gives you 12 and getting a tribal village gives you 6). The third pink dot from the end is where he ended his scouts movement, after that he moves across 2 flat tiles which costs 2 movement points, then onto a hill which costs 2 movement points. Scouts base game have 3 movement points, so he wouldn't have been able to get on the hill, HOWEVER, scouts can get an upgrade at the first level that gives them half movement on hills. This means the only way he could've gotten on that hill is by getting a tribal village earlier on (as he would've gotten 6xp from, plus the 12 from Eye of Sahara) meaning he intentionally removed a tribal village from his map.
I'm impressed
I'm literally too stupid to understand this, can I punch something?
@@lukaszzylik4437print out Andrew's pfp and punch it; that might help
@@lukaszzylik4437 summary: a tribal village that Andrew removed was necessary for the scout to move like it did, so the image itself proves it's doctored all on its own.
don't let me stop you from punching something though
@@lukaszzylik4437 tldr. is, Andrew edited the image at 13:40, because the movement he's scout is making at the end is IMPOSSIBLE unless there was a tribal village (or goody hut as the community calls them) beeing along the scouts path.
Also, sir, pls. stop smashing the furniture, this is a Wendy's, not a Waffle House
This level of crash out over staying on top of the Civ 6 leaderboard is hilarious
"This cheater did so many things, and even tried to sue the channel who exposed him... now let's look at the history of this cheater"
Karl being a legend and risking another unwarranted law suit
> opens description
> two people mentioned
> Billy and Todd
lol
wheres todd in the desc
@@Sickolas7 Pictured below text-description (on mobile at least)
@@Sickolas7 He is in the "people mentioned" section
@@AnesuC WTF how old is this?
Silly Bitchell and Todd Togers
Seems like the most humiliating thing that could happen to a cheater with a big ego: cheating, playing very badly in spite of cheating, then getting caught for complaining about playing badly
Yeah, I think I have a healthy approach: I know I suck, so if I beat you, I'm going to let you know you should feel bad for having lost to me.
Thanks for mentioning Herson's video so thoroughly and providing links. It is a good indicator of your character to not try to hog the spotlight, and instead participate with other creators to support each other.
I had such a strong feeling of deja vu that I thought this was a reupload. Only realised it was a Herson's video that I watched before when he mentioned it. It was a good one since I could remember most of this stuff.
Cheating in CiV really does feel like blasphemy. Such cozy, special games and cheating in them just sounds so dirty
not in multiplayer that place is scary
10:42 shoutouts to "jack mehoff"
😂😂😂😂
Absolute legend exposing cheaters while simultaneously exposing Billy Mitchell in court
Sure, he's a legend while doing all this exposing. I do it once in a crowded McDonalds lobby and I'm a "pervert." Double standards everywhere!
Truth.... Society is so unfair to us gamers.
I'm rooting for Karl but I seen some videos of court transcripts and it's not looking good for Karl... I hope he makes an update video soon.
@@Rain3x But are you a cheater? If not you were just exposing a non-cheater, and clearly nobody wants to see that.
Sorry to tell you but, Karl is going to lose. Not because he is in the wrong, but his lawyer that was the most expensive in history, "because he is good" might be a fraud and probably ruined the whole thing.
Usually I'd be annoyed by this sort of cheating, but all I felt was pity. Throwing his weight around in such a small community, getting caught cheating, speding god knows how long creating pages and pages of nonsense defence, throwing copyright strikes, threatening the community with lawsuits.
It's just such a sad existence, what a waste of a life.
Even sadder is his failure and humiliation getting bigger than what his gains due to cheating could ever have been, since now it’s not the small civ6 community but the entire speedrunning community, heck, just people interested in gaming and speedrunning that mock and laugh at him! Absolutely pitiful.
9:30 this guy's cheating manifesto is longer than my PhD thesis😔
😂
was your thesis about USA's culture and history?
It was mostly screen grabs with some arrows painted into it, very little actual text.
Same lol. Dude is dedicated to his house of cards
-Brevity is the soul of wit.
Anyone here after watching Naritsa’s video?
Such a pity that he is still stealing the content and still didn’t respond to Karl’s video…
It is common occurrence.
Someone plays the game for several years, are confident in their skills, so they think they are entitled to victory and that juicy #1 spot, so they cheat in order to get something they think is rightfully theirs.
"You are cheating"
"No I am not, here is my proof"
"What is your source for that proof"
"The source is that I made it the fuck up"
💀
“Memes are in our dna” - senator Armstrong or sum
Nanomachines, son
that phrase will never be not funny lmao
Cheaters like this disgust me. Bragging about yourself whilst knowing that you're only winning because you have an unfair advantage, where is the satisfaction in that? Being at the top of the leaderboard means nothing if you're not playing the game by the same rules. And even when he's found out he lies, deflects, and threatens legal action??? Disgusting, spineless behavior. Glad he got caught!
seriously, isn't it weird to brag while cheating and intentionally picking weaker lobbies?!? It's like taking on middle schoolers in basketball and taking performance enhancing drugs and then act like you won the olympics.
He probably hates himself and this is the only way to cope with it.
People like him dont care about the "way to the top", they only care for the result and as long as they see themself on the top of a ranking ingame or on the leaderboard, they are satisfied.
They truly don't care about using any immoral advantage to place themselves above others, hence he cheats in his games and intentionally preferes lobbies with weaker players.
Being at the top in my experience does not mean anything. I know this from personal experience in other games.
@xGhostKidx9 on the contrary, narcissism means projecting superiority. Keeping that image is above everything else
"What sort of person would cheat at the Civilisation games?"
**hides a box of Yorkshire Gold** yes... who exactly would show this game as perfectly balanced with no exploits what so ever?
That being said, at least SpiffingBrit is open and honest about his shenanigans
Has Spiffing ever cheated in a multiplayer game? Like, when he played with friends? 😂
yea lol its one thing to cheat while messing around with friends and make a video out of it, its an entirely other thing to go onto competitive leader boards and do the same thing while bragging about how "good" you are at the game lmao.
Yeah I think I've seen a few videos like one exploiter vs 4 pros type of deal,
Haha yeah 😅 who would do that 🧐
@@thespiffingbrityou wouldn't that's for sure.
I got the Herson video recommended to me about a week or so ago, so when I saw the title of the video I knew exactly what it was gonna be about, great job summarizing everything
I love how the number 1 in any ranking is either:
The most respected person in the group due to their skill and tenacity.
Or
The most hated person because they are a massive crybaby regarding anything not going their way.
These exposing cheaters videos are so fun to watch!
There's an irony that's not lost on me that Andrew caused his own downfall. I bet you if he wasn't so prideful he could've gotten away with cheating for a lot longer but ending up exposing his own ruse. He turned one loss into a complete loss. Honestly poetic.
Reminds me of Holy moly who bragged about his faked SM64 Speedrun years after he had already been beaten
He reminds me of that fat guy from that South Park episode about World of Warctraft.
Criminal who gets away with it for too long gets complacent and arrogant.
Liar lies so much they begin to believe their own lies.
He's not the first, won't be the last
THANK YOU HERSON!
This is why every community needs to bring in ex-cheaters to sniff out the current ones. Herson's long history of cheating makes him the perfect person to find other cheaters.
(8:56)
"dream levels of luck"
pretty sure that is not the mark he wanted to leave on the internet ...
Guys remember, this video is not suicidal.
We all know what happened if it gets taken down
11:03 bonus points to the player who called a city 'Jack Mehoff'.
I caught that at 10:30. Hilarious. 😂
As an Andrew myself, for all Andrews around, we do not condone this behavior
Same!
This guys more of an Andross then I guess
You have my sympathy and support! You Andrews have a pretty bad rap.
@@Borgcowcan’t let you do that star fox
W Andrew
Herson is the GOAT of civ 6 multiplayer content and guides. Highly recommend to watch for any Civ 6 players, multiplayer or singleplayer
I hate Civ games, but Herson's content is really good and lets me enjoy the games vicariously.
Any specific vids?
Also,somewhat related: Quill18 does Civ?I knew he had a YT channel,but I still think of him as the artificer from TDDC.
@@chee.rah.monurB If you play civ, check out his guides as they have both humor and great explanations. The dissecting of Andrew cheater episode is also fantastic.
If you are looking for civ games, the Rooster cup tournament series games are the sweatiest to watch which are my personal favorites. Otherwise, pick a civ you like and he has a vid of it
7:20 love that mass effect music Karl!! ❤
I see Andrew is getting into speedrunning now. This any% run of the Streisand Effect is pretty impressive!
@WhenIBlip did you reply to the wrong comment?
nuts, as a CPL member i would've never thought anyone at all besides Herson would make a video about this
Same
"Frankfurt, Mainz, Ulm, Itachi Uchiha"
Damn if that ain't peak Civ gaming right there.
Itachi Uchiha is my favourite city in Germany.
@@lonelystrategos That Genjutsou...
Kinda funny how he avoided losing by all means but still somehow managed to lose 51 matches, what an absolute legened!
As a civ player for over 15 years I thank you for covering this!
1:42 “Hello there, I’m the Spiffing Brit, and today I’m going to show you a fabulous Civ 6 exploit. Yesssss.”
I love the end of the month because I know Karl will upload
Lol
Herson's channel is great for quickly getting high level play concepts
It was so obviously cheated in the games he did, that it's painfully cringe he's going this route. In that taken down video it showed clearly that he took long to start playing the matches because he's loading up the program that shows all the resources, and heads directly towards the resources taking the most efficient routes and not in a strategic kind of way.
I got really scared the video taken down was Herson's (sorry if I got that wrong!) 😅 I added it to my sleep Playlist because his voice was so soothing 😂😂😂
This is the only cheater on this channel I've ever felt bad for. The state of mind to work hard on over 100 pages of nonsense, all in the interest of keeping a #1 spot on a leaderboard. It's next level insecurity and I don't mean that as an insult, it's probably exhausting for him. Mentally and physically
@@_WeDontKnow_ he probably gaslit himself into thinking "I don't need these cheats to win, it's just more convenient" the human brain is very interesting.
@@dannyway1111 The human brain is like the human ass, it is usually full of shit and only more shit comes out of it.
@@dannyway1111 nah, i rather think he is so obsessed with the game, or rather his ranking (which is shown by him faking technical problems when the round isn't going in his favour), that he would literally go to any lentgh defending his cheating. A pathetic but sad human being that only values himself by his ranking in civ6 multiplayer
I really appreciate that you indeed provided additional information on top of Herson's video and did not just blatantly recite it :)
Karl, just wanna to say thanks for letting me know that a competitive Civ league actuality exists 😅.
Big Fan of your content btw ❤.
next scandal will be like "SOLITAIRE WORLD RECORD CHEATER"
We’ll find out that it was really a solitaire TAS. 😅
Thread over.
3D Space Pinball scandal of the decade.
To no surprise, there are, too many. MS Solitaire has had since a few years, daily tournaments and there are times for clearing dozens of challenges that stay below the single minute - total time for all dozens - which is likely obtained by preparing a macro in advance of all mouse inputs (no table is random). And nobody at MS cares obviously, despite these subjects are very easy to detect because there is a global top 100 of fastest times per tournament. Some of them even share a similar name/pfp format, with no shame I guess.
dude, in 0:20 u got a clip with a town called literally "babylonian whores" xD
LMAO I noticed that too and had to do a double take
Herson's viewers can vote for city names during his streams, this is not even the worst name you could see 😂
it's probably not wrong
"Online interactions not rated by the ESRB." 🤣
KURWA!!!!! POLSKA GUROM!!!! POLACY PRZEJMUJEMY TEN KANAŁ 💪😎🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
The effort he put into the Google documents is nuts considering all of the massive red flags. Especially his explanation that would only work if you know the shape of the map at the start of the game which just isn't possible without cheating
if he put the same level of effort into actually improving at the game, maybe he could have legitimately been #1
@@Romanticoutlaw Could he be #1 fairly? Yeah. Would he? Nope, way too slow.
"Objection! Your honor, I didn't cheat to get the locations of the huts, I only cheated to get the shape of the map and then deduced the locations of the huts from that."
I don't speed run. I don't even play video games very often at all. But every time Karl posts a video I get totally excited and watch immediately.
Been watching your videos of cheating scandals in some random obscure games for a while now. It's really cool that I finally play one of these random games that you cover. Thanks Karl. Hope your case with Bill Mitchell is going well.
A 142 page written essay? Without using ChatGPT? In these times? At that point just call me a cheater.
Bro wrote a Doctorate thesis on why he did not cheat
And still was wrong.
If he didn't hire somebody else, then he for sure has earned my respect...My respect for his autism 😂
@@faceurhell It's fascinating as he seems to have started with the goal of describing a method of how to derived an unfair (knowledge of resource locations) without having stolen/decrypted that _hyper-specific_ set of information through an external-utility --
-- by describing a method that _requires_ having stolen/decrypted the wider underlying terrain map/data set.
Evidently having taken for granted having this information that is typically unavailable without cheating.
This would seem to imply that they're so accustomed to seeing this information in the native CIV6 interface that they've forgotten this is not true for most other players; (such as would be the case with a fog-of-war penetrating mod that back-filled the terrain-seen map/array used by the screen renderer in earlier CIV titles?) And may mean that some portion of those de-syncs were legitimate (caused by this extra modification) and not intentionally cheating by interrupting their connection.
The hyper-optimal route(s) to resources would also suggest that these routes are actually calculated by the game engine when the units are given orders to go to these locations "in the dark" -- In a previous CIV title, (I forget if/what mods) one scouting strategy was to send move-orders into the dark, and see what invisible terrain changes they planned on moving around. It was an effective (but very time consuming) way to figure out if another player has done some terraforming. But also tends to prefer shorter routes (by tiles moved) over those that scouted wider areas. ((This has resulted in a few people persistently accusing me of cheating in this way at LAN parties because I tend to use shorter routes to try and evade detection.))
So I would be curious if the raw move-orders were saved and could be added to the playback as annotations.
well we don't have evidence he didn't use ChatGPT, but most of it is made up of images.
most of the pages were pictures, screen grabs with arrows painted in. Actual written text was maybe 20 pages.
He started in 2nd gear obviously
And I thought Gandhi summoning nukes to my territory was my worst encounter ever.
💀😭
I was going to say Dr Disrespect is the modern day Billy Mitchell, but perhaps Doc is the modern day Andrew as well... think about it.
As a longtime Warcraft player, I find it hilarious it took this long to find this dude. Maphackers were a plague for a very long time to the point where everyone had been accused at some point
Magic spoon is like 8$ for a box of cereal that has less cereal than a main brand that comes with more cereal for like 3$
its macronutrients are great, if you want to have the experience of eating styrofoam packing peanuts in a bowl of milk. The flavor *is* a perfect replication of kiddy cereal, though, I gotta give 'em that.
Is there a TH-cam sponsor that doesn't suck, or isn't a scam? No one should trust any commercial.
@@matuko313 I know some youtubers that only do sponsored videos of products that they like and can get behind, aparently. Or it could all be a big hoax.
@@y0mir Even if the product is good, it doesn't mean it's not overpriced. But at least it's just cereal, it's edible, allegedly doesn't taste bad, and both the amounts and prices are known upfront, so I guess it's okay.
@@y0mir it's not "technically" lying if being given money is a metric of "likeability" for a brand
"We are reaching Dream levels of luck" I love that
Dude literally submitted full length essay's trying to explain how he didn't cheat 💀
bro majored in english smh
I hope you always make videos forever!!! You're currently the only creator that I always look forward to watching, every time I see a new upload. Thank you for your thorough research and engaging videos!
PS Also love the nostalgic feeling that I get every time I hear the Perfect Dark instrumental :)
Great video. Shed some light on a community I didn’t know existed. I enjoy watching competitive versions of any game. Great job Karl!
“Give me more speedrunners, noble leader. That may sheath their controllers and they beat the cheating of our enemies!”
a Civ2 reference.. nice..
Cheating really ruins the fun of civilization. What’s the point of playing a five or six hour game if you know the outcome in advance. Half the fun of CIV is the adrenaline rush of not knowing if you’re gonna win or not. It takes all the strategy and thought out of it and turns it into a button pressing simulator.
Some people get their adrenaline rush from bragging about wins/scores/being "the best" instead, I suppose.
Funny enough even the guy who was cheating had a 77% win rate so I guess he doesn't know the outcome in advanced if he was still losing
Well, there are games that do use cheat mods for all players, which can be fun sometimes, cause it inevitably leads to massive world spanning conflicts, but I doubt that would fly in the competitive scene.
0:18 interesting city naming
Hamburger Mcpepsi in the D
Totally agree
Someone please tell me Andrew is a little kid. That's at least ...somewhat understandable, and there's still hope. But any adult acting like this is on a rough road. A very rough road.
Hes as little kids just like Billy Mitchell
The psychology of it is so interesting. His status and reputation in Civ 6 was so important to him that he was willing to do all of this. It’s a sad testament to what he probably has going on in his life.
Saw the original before it got taken down. Even if you're not into CIV 6 or even CIV as a whole, it still is a fascinating watch.
Imagine how low you have to be to threaten to sue someone because you provided cheating evidence. What's next, claim damages of hundred of dollars, go to court and then lie more about it? I can't imagine anyone like that
Civ players when they're caught cheating: Releases 100 page document explaining how they're actually Neo and can see the code of the game.
Doom players when they're caught cheating: YOU HUMOR ME GREATLY WITH YOUR ARROGANCE AND CONTEMPT!
Morrowind players when they get caught cheating: "What a fool you are. I am a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand an intoxicating innocence."
There's some top level autism among Civ players that you won't find in Doom players except Carmack himself.
It's a good reminder that not all people are equal. Some are indeed below everyone else, and those are the creatures who cheat.
The original video got suggested to me by TH-cam so watched it the other day so nice to see it getting more publicity and putting some more recent context to it :)
What’s the latest on the court case? I’ve read criticism of Karl’s legal representation which could cost him the trial
It should have been a home run for Karl but there has been some missteps for sure
The court proceedings concluded a couple weeks ago and the judge apparently will look it over and at some point announce a verdict without much warning. It could be a couple months before that happens for all we know. Jobst has stated he won’t comment on anything until the verdict.
I can’t say for sure what the verdict will be because the judge provides the “human element” here. The facts favor Jobst greatly, as Mitchell has shown to be an untrustworthy witness and there’s so many self inflicted wounds that Mitchell has given himself that has led to a loss of reputation and business opportunities. Mitchell’s buddies were bragging for months about how he squeezed Apollo out of so much money then when Jobst says the same thing suddenly it’s so traumatic Mitchell is sick? Give me a break! Unfortunately due to various errors they made the defense couldn’t point this out, or that people were connecting Apollo’s suicide and the settlement with Mitchell for five months prior to the Jobst video.
I get where Jobst’s fans are concerned about the outcome… but if I were a Mitchell fan I’d be a lot more concerned for him. There were quite a few embarrassing contradictions on him and moment he had, his own witnesses contradicted his case unwittingly, and his case basically boils down to “Trust my words”.
You mean Perfect Pac Man?
Closing arguments aren't the end of things, so let's not blow things put of proportion.
Judge's opinions vary on case load. Some can pump them out in 3 weeks, some can do 2 months, 3 months.
Some can do well, a lot longer.
I randomly watched the Herson video when it came out. The algorithm is learning about what I like to watch too much and now I’m scared there’s a Karl video reaction now
Player: Hey! I lost due to something unfair!
Moderator: I'll check it out!
Player by himself: Hehe, i'm sure they'll agree with me, cuz people like me!
Moderator: Something was indeed wrong!
Player: Yeah, i told you! (Wait, really?!)
Moderator: Yup, you cheated!
Karl and others in the speedrunner community: And this is gonna be a video!
2:08 HAHA there's a player named Jack Mehoff? HHAAHA
That's a city name, so a player named a city Jack Mehoff lol
@RaptorLuck oh whoops. Hahaha still hilarious
When you brought up the map shape with hut distribution my immediate thought was "that's only useful if you know the map... which means you still have to be able to cheat to take advantage of it in the early game"
People really cheating on 4x games now 💀
There has been cheating there for decades.
4x games are super competitive, shouldn't be surprising
Great day when karl posts!
Magic spoon is one of the most vile tasting things I've ever had.
Jokes on you, you gave them money
Why wouldn't it be? No way this guy actually eats it
Bro just eat regular cereal and remove the bread off the next thing you eat. People kill me with gross designer protein bars too. Just eat half a snickers and have a protein shake with water.
@@armedjoy3045 I highly doubt he eats cereal at all, he is Australian, he has a vegemite sandwich for breakfast.
I thought that the fruit one was good and I'm not a breakfast guy.
Yeah but the cinnamon roll one was disgusting.
@@imnotyou4831for like $15 a box
So there’s a competitive community which is collectively that naive they all know and use a software that’s able to show the entire map since turn 1, and believe that the 3 poor excuses of security measures in place are magically going to prevent major cheating? Good one. You can be 100% sure that a major part of those "top players" are cheaters as well. You know it. They know it too, but they pretend it’s not happening.
karl, you can honestly be a narrator for a crime psychology channel
I was going to comment some self depreciating joke making fun of Karl calling Civ a "thinking man's game" then I realized I spent 5 minutes on the sentence... (Great work as always Karl!)
"Just one more word..."
Only early game libraries I ever have are the ones I STEAL
When I was 8 years old, I remember cheating sometimes when playing Magic: the Gathering because I was a very bad loser and was obsessed on being the "best player" within my friend group.
I grew past that very quick, but I still remember the general feeling of having such a toxic ego. It just felt good being on top, regardless of if I deserved it or not.
This Andrew strikes me as the same kind of guy. He is the type of person who'd feel offended if anyone ever dared to take his spotlight, since he believes he was "earned" the right to be at the top.
Anyway, it really is a shame. I mean, I don't know how much difference does the scouting make in the general skill level within the top of Civ players, if the difference is either huge or paper thin, just enough to break the balance. But if he managed to beat them all so consistently with just a single extra tool, that would mean that he still is a hell of a player capable of getting a good position within the ranking even without those cheats, am I wrong?
Basically, another Riollu, who was one of the greats in Trackmania even when he wasn't cheating, but ended his whole career due to his cheating scandals.
Again, such a shame.
He's finally come for us...
Looking how the cheating was found from a replay, ai in cheat moderation may be the future. using it to flag potentially cheated games, where a moderator could view that game manually. Would save in a lot of manpower and catch cases like these earlier.