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He sounds genuinely upset at himself for making such a stupid error. Not the cheating at the game, but the sucking at video editing part that got him caught. Really sounds like he's realizing he is an idiot as he claims he couldn't be that stupid as his defense.
I mean, the splits doesn't even move. He could have easily edited in a static object over that part of the video to keep his "sum of best" looking the same. Dude just was not nearly as smart as he thought he was.
@@Taolan8472 Yeah, if you're good enough at video editing to splice the run you can easily fix that split display. You just have to actually think to do it.
I love how immediately after he's called out, instead of denying it, he says "well lets just say I did cheat, do you really think I'd be stupid enough to make a mistake like this?" Uhh... yeah mate, I do
you could hear the self reflection in that. he was basically admitting to himself he fucked up and made the dumbest mistake, but tried to hide it from the people in the call.
I love answering questions like that with "yes". Both to be funny, but also because that's exactly the thing someone would forget while they're hiding bigger stuff.
Every single one of these cheaters that get caught initially responds the exact same way. "Seriously? I wouldn't be that stupid if I did cheat" it's a classic at this point
@@Speeeedy yeah like if someone showed me my WR run suddenly changes 4 seconds Id be like "WHOA WAIT WHAT? DO THAT AGAIN? WHAT THE FUCK??? HOW THE HELL??"
That was particularly amusing. The idiot was like, "don't you think I would notice that?" The guy mentioning it should have said, "yes, I would have expected you to notice it, but you clearly didn't".
Heck, I'm pretty sure I've used the word "gobble" a fraction of times that Karl said it in this video. This is my first time typing "gobblegum", which is a word that I've never said or typed before.
idk..... that whole mechanic should have been called "Gobble Cum"............. . EX "i like to Gobble activision micro-transaction cum.... to get a pay-to-win advantage...because im a little cum goblin"
At least it’s Karl talking about it, he always manages to do a game’s community justice while talking abt the worst shit you can possibly do in a video game
Check out Cruppz for some quality commentary about speedrun/high rounds on the various zombies maps from World at War to Black Ops 3. He's really insightful into the limitations and advantages speedrunners have in getting the most of every game, especially when it comes to the inevitable game crash.
Highlighting a bad, but we also get to learn about good each time. I didn't know anything about the community much and now I'm gonna watch a few channels while winding down for the evening. 👍 👍
"Had I cheated wouldn't I have done a better job of it?" I teach in a college and this is a much more common excuse from caught cheaters than you'd think
was that attempt supposed to be legit? I think Badabum were well aware they were gonna be caught and yet did it for the lulz, not because they really wanted their names on the top scoreboard
@@TheDoomer666Badabun's higher ups were ego tripping at that moment, they genuinely thought they would get away with it, the same way they thought they would get away with the mistreatment of their actors.
@@TheDoomer666 Look how well it went for them 😂 The company is now making 1/4 of what they used to, César Morales, the original CEO, got fired after multiple complaints of sexual harassment and deplorable work environment.
Really glad to help shine light on this whole thing, appreciate you taking the time to learn and understand fully about our speedrun and helping expose terrible people
Mate terrible is a strong word, the guy just sounds like a nerd who wanted some form of attention. Glad he's gone but its not like he's apart of ISIS or something lmao. Anyway good runs mate. (Excited for your only fans!)
@@Kryptixit isn't too strong word at all. Terrible isn't as black and white as you make it out. There are variations of terrible, some better and worse than others. It is terrible to get to know and interact with a community under false pretenses. It is terrible to lie about a world record.
Why doesn't the community use mods that make the wave spawns and first gum fixed as a standard? It feels to me like leaving it random and therefore having to reset 90% of runs adds nothing to the actual skill of speedrunning. But I could also just completely not understand it, as I am not a speedrunner and dislike games with RNG based gameplay.
One small thing When you load into a zombie game solo, you play as one of 4 characters. Rarely does this matter in speed runs but in shadows of evil you must get a certain character, Nero, because he can let you perform a certain step (upgraded swords) much faster then every other character. Which means runs must get Nero and reign drops in order to get past round 1, and it’s why soe takes a lot of luck.
The other maps are popular too but this one is a more consistent one. Keep in mind this is a variation of SOE speed run, this is meant to be done with 4 players in normal gameplay.
At this point why not just do what the bioshock infinite runners did and just tweak the settings so you always get Nero and perfect order gobblegums? Doesn't feel like much of a skill competition when you're only allowed to compete 1/100 times. Imagine if we had a sprint but you can only accept times if the guy successfully calls 10 coin flips in a row or something. At that point is it really a speed competition or just who averages out to be luckier because that means by default they get more practice and attempts?
I think the moderator interviewing him actually used some pretty neat interrogation techniques, like leaving a long pause after a question is answered, letting the "suspect" dig their own grave by elaborating on their answer too much, trying to convince the other person and get them to say something.
@sourhour3403 Good catch! this is a really late reply but I’m a former detective so I had to comment. I’m happy you noticed that, and it’s actually a real interrogation technique that the FBI teaches. It’s called a “pregnant pause” and it serves the purpose you assumed it did. At the moment of confrontation they basically have a natural tendency to fill the awkward silence, often with information that explains the evidence before you finish confronting them about it. But due to the adrenaline dump and lack of prep time, they almost always give an inconsistency, a lie, or accidental confession (excited utterance) by mistake, leaving the interviewer with more evidence than before. (I started typing to explain the technique but started explaining the nuances and eventually ended up writing something that resembled a published scholarly article, so if you’re interested you can find out more online lol)
@@juderocks5 I didn't know it by name but I did know about it, I watch a lot of JCS and other channels that cover interrogations. Glad to hear my knowledge-by-osmosis didn't end up being nonsense!
funniest part about his statement is that it's not even true because there was no innovation to his cheating, like bruh splicing and cheat mods are speedrun cheating 101 everyone is already looking for it because they already know they happen
"If i cheated, I wouldn't have made that mistake" is such a bad defense omg. "You can't say i cheated because I'm so good at cheating you wouldn't be able to notice"
Indeed, but in spite of that I use it all the time, when people accuse me of dumb shit. It sounds much better in your head, when you are the one using it...
Long-con cheating has got to be the most pathetic type of cheating there is. It's not a spur of the moment thing you do out of frustration. This guy came into the community wanting to cheat from the start.
it makes me feel kinda bad for him, just because, what kind of headspace does someone have to be in to dedicate that much time and effort to cheating in a video game?
@@Chaotic_evil_duck he was very good at the game he just set the odds to his favor. Speedruning when rng is such a heavy factor is the worst type. I kinda understand this guy. I wish such mods were legal for Speedruns
y'know whats kind of crazy, we only hear the stories of the people who were caught, it makes you think, especially in cases like these where they would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for one mistake, makes you think how many people who are hailed as legends in their respective game cheated and just sit at the top with the most squeak clean cheated runs of all time, like all the perfect heist in crime movies
There was that Mario 64 speedrunner who had a cheated WR for like a decade and only got caught because he was gloating about it on a random TH-cam comment and someone decided to look into it. One of the best cases of schadenfreude I've seen
@@spode2917 the first time I heard the story was in a video by charliebrown64. if you search super Mario 64 speedrun cheater it should be one of the first results. The first story in the mini documentary is the one you’re looking for
@@spode2917 There's no specific video (any video talking about spliced SM64 runs will mention him), but on one of the older 16 star WRs, a guy named 'holeymoley' commented that he held the 16 star record for years. So someone went back and looked at his old runs and figured out they were spliced thanks to modern editing software. If holeymoley didn't gloat, *no one would've known*. It's honestly a small blip in the overall SM64 WR continuity, but its still funny.
How many years did Silly Bitchell get to claim himself the King of Kong (or whatever)? So long that the lie became his entire personality...meaning he had to protect it no matter what that meant doing. When somebody is that intent on obscuring the truth, it can take a while for people to catch on and figure it out...but they almost always do. To be fair to the "fact checkers" and sleuths, not everyone can start their search in 2nd gear 😂
The desperate gaslighting attempt is so funny. "You don't think I would've noticed that? You don't think I wouldn't really gone through that and looked at my time?" Exactly the same strat I used to implement with my parents aged 10
Okay, we've seen cheaters writing eloquent passive-aggressive rebuttals, we've seen cheaters suing everyone who accuses them of cheating, but cheaters acting like they're doing community a favor is something new. White hat hackers are supposed to come clean immediately, not after they are caught.
Its surprisingly...Not actually the first time. The first time was the guy with the biggest Minecraft speedrun on TH-cam's run being fake, and he acted like he only did it to grow Minecraft's speedrunning community
These videos hit different when you’re familiar with the game being discussed. I’m getting way too happy about getting to hear Karl talk about zombie spawns and Gobblegums, lol.
@@jerry3790 I mean, I guess only when griding for a speedrun? I only did the ea like 3 times. no restarts or anything just fun twice at the gatehouse trap. second time we should have reset tbh. We had to kill hundreds of zombies to start next round for next step because someone went overboard. but we found it hilarious in a way I guess.
@@Detective_LSolo zombies is still super fun, I wouldn’t recommend online coop bc you can’t really communicate properly. Coop with friends is easily one of if not the most fun thing to do where you can just chill and piss around. If you get it for cheap, I’d highly recommend, esp if you can fork up a little for der riese, DE, and other dlc
"You don't think I wouldn't notice that?" Months of preparation. Months of building up a reputation, of making himself look legit. All for this moment. And he didn't notice it. I can't even imagine.
Has *anyone* Karl covered in one of these videos been caught cheating and then gone "Well damn, you got me"? It's so funny how none of them admit it at first no matter how concrete the evidence is. Most of the time they don't even fully cave later, it's always "Nah only that run was cheated", and then *eventually* "Nevermind, all of them were cheated."
There actually was kinda one, dream playing Minecraft did eventually fully admit all his runs was not legit, but it was based on accidentally not removing mods on his game he had for fan streaming. So he admitted but i think it was a legit "oops" and he wasn't trying to cheat and it seems Karl came to that conclusion
@@ItsDangerousGoAlonehe literally hired an astrophysicist to put out a paper showing how his run could statistically be possible. and even then, he didn’t fully admit to cheating
@@ItsDangerousGoAlone Dream is the worst example you could've given. He had lied about not cheating for a long time only to finally be like "whoops, it seems that I _accidentally_ forgot to turn off this very specific mod that gives you better RNG during my runs".
Yeah, it's just time consuming as hell, but it's an endurance marathon more than a skilled sprint. Which makes it weirder since this dude still went and invested months of his time into this con. If he had played legit he might have actually made it to the top 10 with how much he dedicated to the run
@@joaogomes9405 Yeah it's very interesting to me that if he was only manipulating his rng, that means he does potentially have the skillset needed to actually perform the run legitimately. You see other cheaters who do this, but the fact this guy also dedicated 6 months to planning out/slowly improving his time to make it seem "legitimate" is so odd. You're right, if he played those 6 months legitimately he might not have gotten a WR but he definitely had a chance to become very respected in the category. Normally I feel like you'd manipulate rng because you didn't want to grind out resets but this guy seems to have been grinding pretty hard anyway. Shame.
@@intendedtendenciesGiven that you need perfect RNG to do a world record, I kind of feel that the moderators should just allow everyone to mod in perfect RNG, because then it just comes down to the skill of the player and they don't waste so much time. It would provide a better competition if the luck were removed.
@@David-ud9ju yeah thats always the weird thing with speedrunning, like I know og RE3 runs have rng mods but some communities just refuse. More then likely just for accessibility purposes so console atleast has somewhat of a chance
i really do appreciate the "we all know that red cars go faster" joke. i love me some warhammer references and i got a chuckle out of it because i have a red mustang and i have stated several times that same joke that "i only bought it because its red and red means its faster". as always though thank you karl jobst for reporting on these cheaters and for helping to try and keep communities honest. your videos have become the highlight of my day and im always excited to see a video pop up into the feed.
Speaking of speed runs. Thanks to you, Karl, and your channel, I got curious and started playing Doom. I love it. I'm not too bad, but I'll never be a speed runner (or deluded enough to fake a speed run).
I was pretty good friends with this guy, it made me really sad when i learned he cheated, he'd send me all of his "pb's" and i would be so proud when he would progress, really makes me sad to see the lengths that people would go for clout
I think they can be if you've known them long enough. I'm friends with a couple of people I've known online for over 20 years now and we still talk.@@ppeez
The funny thing is if they all agreeded it would be interesting if they are did runs with the mod that allows the correct bug spawn and gum order. Would save huge amounts of time for everyone but runs would still need skill.
This is the one point I gotta agree on with the cheater. A lot of speedrun communities specifically mod out RNG like that because there's literally no skill in it and it's just a waste of time having to reset runs because of it. Imo his mod should be integrated into the infinite gobblegum mod and that's that. Splicing is bad tho, none of that.
yea, i was wondering about that. like if everyone had the same 'luck' mod then it would just put everyone on equal footing and then only skill determined the runs, right? i mean, i dunno but it was just on my mind the whole time. also side note but even if that wouldnt be allowed, it would be hilarious if there was a speedrunning equivalent of like, drugged up olympics where mods and cheats ARE allowed for this specific category and the cheaters all compete against each other for the fastest possible (or impossible) time
So cool that Karl does this, but also has a community that generally doesn’t go out of their way to harass the cheaters. It’s important people know that stuff like this happens and how to identify it
At the end of the day this is just our hobby. No one deserves to get lynched for cheating in a video game. The exception to that rule is when they cheat for prize money or bounties. That's not tolerable.
For clarity for those that don’t know the gobblegums shown in the match start screen are: Reign drop-spawns every type of power-up in the game, nuclear winter-spawns a nuke power-up which kills all spawned enemies on the map and heavily damages boss enemies (no effect during boss fights), wall power-which turns the gun you buy after getting it into its pack-a-punched version (its upgraded basically), perkaholic-every zombies player favourite gobblegum, this rare jewel grants the player all perks on the map, and finally anywhere but here, this is a common gobblegum, meaning every player has access to it after playing a while, it randomly teleports you to a random spot on the map after activating it, have I believe 2 activations.
Important side note, Anywhere But Here is one of the two-or-maybe-three viable Gobblegums you get in the base game (i.e. the "free" gums). All the other useful gums - Perkaholic, Reign Drops, etc. - are earned through the loot drop system, which requires either a TON of grinding, dropping potentially HUNDREDS of dollars in microtransactions, or just flat-out modding the game.
So... 20% of runs make it past the first gobblegum, then, 50% of those make it past wave 5. That alone means that 10% of runs only make it through based on luck alone, not even counting all the optimal movements you need to make to get through the level. Thats kinda crazy imo.
It's worth acknowledging that this is only one category, and there are category splits for Mega Gobblegum (which is this category), Classic Gobblegum Only (which uses a selection of gumballs not locked behind microtransactions) and No Gobblegum (which avoids the machine entirely). So this is just one category and if you tire of it you can always just... Play a different category :P
Prawly sounds young in that voice clip. He probably thought he was being cool by getting the world record but isn’t mature enough to understand how impactful cheating is.
most speedrunners are young (A) because young reflexes help a ton and (B) not needing to work to pay rent and put food on the table helps a ton. Other than of course Billy Mitchell who is the GOAT no matter how old he gets
@@ssl3546 We've got Lewis Hamilton plowing past Monte Carlo walls by thirds of inches and Roger Federer owning young pups regularly, and people still spew this nonsense. Met a 26 yo gamer recently who said he couldnt keep up due to his age. Botz will be botz XD
@@Flotter-FloI mean, that’s a really bad argument. Just because the best in the world has a long career doesn’t mean it’s not true. In fact, that’s why they are legends. If age wasn’t a factor, we would see a lot more older people in sports.
it truly makes me wonder what people get out of cheating like this. speedrunning is such a hobby of passion and personal accomplishment. it's like cheating at knitting by buying a sweater
I've been watching ||steve|| for a very long time. Sad to see this happen in his community. Props to him for noticing the inconsistency and letting the rest of the moderators know
3:13 "Personally, I like to make my car red because everyone knows that red cars go faster." Oh lord, Karl is tapping into the WAAAGH! Everyone in that game in done for.
Karl is very well known and his audience touches a huge game base because of how accessible they are, if scandals come up they’re likely shared with him.
bug of cake is an amazing guy I’ve tried doing some runs myself but never got close to any noticable PB but he is always willing to talk and discuss strats and stuff, much love
get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head
This is crazy to see this featured here, it's sad what happened as he was trusted in the community and many were happy for him (after getting WR) but it turned out he cheated. Thanks for covering this Karl, great video!
It’s honestly rather impressive how well thought this scheme was. The forethought to actually “ struggle” with rng and “ improve” over time. Glad they got caught, otherwise this could have been a real crappy way for the next in line to lose WR
Hah... I don't know how to say this, but my first thought is "some people are easily impressed". Isn't this what you'd expect? I figure many of our world records in a lot of games were people who are cheating who haven't been caught yet, and maybe never can be caught, because they were as well-thought out as this, and better executed. This feels like a bare minimum for a WR cheat.
Honestly if I had to guess it was a mix of that and him just genuinely just getting better at the game. It's not like god RNG really makes the egg a gimme
Listening to you say gobblegum several times make me giggle for some reason lol amazing video as always. Also, i love the fact that you cover small niches as well as the big ones. A lot of these speedrunners are so talented but will never get much recognition because the game they play isn't popular.
imagine a world where everyone gets the same balls in the same order and people can fight over WRs with just skill and without resetting 2000 times a day
That’s what I don’t get. The mod for free gums is ok, but mod for perfect rng is not? Why not? Why make speedrunners waste time, because they were unlucky?
isnt it already a very big disadvantage to play on console cause of slower aiming? dont play cod so no idea but id imagine console speedruners arent really compareable to pc anyway @@gr33nriver77
do console players have access to this free gobblegums thing? idk, I think segregation is probably the move, speedrunners shouldn't be held back by alternate platforms @@gr33nriver77
The defense of "Do you think I'd have left this in if i cheated" feels so much like the Dunning Kruger effect. And him just trying to bluff his way through the situation.
This may be the only channel where I ALWAYS watch videos 100% till the very end, I'm a gamer but no real interest in speedruns, great content congrats!
Yeah, but still. These are kids most of the time and I think it's messed up to shame/ insult them as hard as some TH-camrs do. There's a Wirtual video of some cheater kid with his face slapped on the thumbnail with millions of views. That's really messed up. Good content, but messed up.
For those not familiar with bo3 speed running, Freckleston is the goat! Guy is incredibly talented at most of the maps, and pops up with new WRs left and right. Steve also fantastic, defo go check them out
I tried speedrunning bo3 origins a few years back and man the amount of skill and luck needed is insane, props to the runners like freckleston and the likes
Excellent analysis! Was a big deal when it happened, you really nailed the specifics of what he did wrong. Just wish we were better equipped to detect splicing in runs.
It's likely there would be detectable encoding artifacts. If the videos are losslessly stitched together, it would be obvious in the file. If the video got re-encoded, that should be detectable as well (as every re-encoding reduces the quality a bit). I'm not an expert, but it seems very likely someone could detect a splice from analyzing the pixels.
@@waarschijn the issue is the lack of resources online for learning. And even then it's warned that the results can't be conclusive. If you have any information or tips on how to get started I'd love to know!
Thank you for shining a spotlight on this. I had no idea COD had a zombie mode speedrun community. Learn new things every day. Alas there is a cheater in this vid, but still I learned about a cool thing.
as much as it is a bad thing to have happened, i do always love watching these "Cheater finally caught" vids, sorta satisfying despite me never playing half the games and definitely none of them competitively/in speedrunning lmao
So genuine question here: this guy was actually amazing at the game and the only thing he cheated was the RNG. If every runner resets until they get that RNG, is it so terrible? I mean, why isn't it more common practice to force RNG in these games where basically 90% of your tries are reset partway through at no fault of your own? It seems like a waste of time. Kinda like playing Jenga but someone kicks the table every turn. It's not a measure of skill. It's just a measure of endurance. I'm not saying we should take this particular run as valid. There are certain rules in place and he violated them. I'm talking about speedrunning in general.
Step 1: Pathetically attempt to act clueless Step 2: Make up some technical mumbo jumbo about frames and video conversions Step 3: Blame it on depression and vague mental health issues Step 4: Apologize and disappear Prawly skipped steps 2 and 3 which was a real disappointed to me
I’m going through a rough time in my life rn but your content manages to put a smile on my face when I see that notification, you never fail to impress on how you can make a good, simple and informative video interesting and full of your unique humor. Keep up the great work Karl ❤
These comments are so wierd to me. Every youtuber gets these "you got me through a rough time" comments. I first noticed them in Jordan Peterson comment sections, but they made sense since he's a bit of a "self-help" guru. But now I see them on random entertainment videos. No chance a random youtube game journalist gets you through a rough time. At most, he helped you forget about your troubles for 15 minutes every week or two.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718that’s a pretty silly take. Entertainment TH-camrs can collectively serve as an effective distraction from the sucky parts of life that someone may be experiencing in the moment. Even only 10-15 minutes from a few different TH-camrs every week or so can make a huge difference. It makes just as much sense that someone finds solace in entertainment as in a self help video
Aaaaaahhhhh listening to people try to weasel out of accountability is like my kryptonite, just by hearing it I _feel_ some of their shame - even when they don't seem to be feeling it themselves. I can't take it! I wish I could explain to these cheaters that it's never worth it, and rest easy knowing that they weren't out there messing everything up with their troubles.
this just makes me sad man, zombies is something I know well and have been playing for about a decade now. I’m not a speedrunner myself, as I’m not nearly dedicated or skilled enough to be one, but being in the community for so long I know how much work goes into legitimate runs, and it makes me sad seeing that work undermined by cheaters
@@pjsq a couple records on bo2, used to have a 1000 Shi no waw speedrun, Pb pb on asc bo1 is 110 crash, pb on Shi no waw is 2062 crash, Used to have a coop wr with the WR holder for Buried bo2 (Vhanno). What have you accomplished ?
@@melancholyentertainment I’m aware it’s heavily reliant on RNG, but the runners still have to put in an incredible amount of time and effort. Yes, a world record run is quite reliant on good RNG, but as an example I could get the best RNG possible on the map I’m most confident on, and still never even come close to world record. that’s all my point was
Man that defense, what an impenetrable wall. I woulda been like "Woah, thats wild" Edit: "You think I wouldn't catch that?" Impenetrable defense! The ultimate defensive ability
I'm not a speedrunner, but part of me thinks that RNG is a bullshit mechanic when it comes to speedrunning, it's luck of the draw. I think speedrunning should be a sheer display of skill and maybe it should be allowed for players to manipulate RNG so that everyone has a chance to be the most skillful, rather than wasting their lives trying to get lucky. I know a lot of people will disagree with that but that's just my two cents.
this really depends on the game, there are plenty of games that have basically 0 rng and are purely skill based and then there are runs like these with low chances, and everything in between, some games even have perfect rng manipulation that can be pulled off with human input, ultimately no game has the same level of rng so there can't really be a "universal" clause for it aside from allowing external software, which some speedrun communities allow, bioshock infinite for example has an equipment drop needed for optimal gameplay, so speedrunners use a mod that guarantees it
Especially when you consider they already allow mods for unlimited Gobblegum. Sounds like all the kid did was make it an actual test of skill and not luck.
Steve is crazy with how good he is I know he has a lot of rough sessions but when he gets a run man is it ever just magic and I am glad he hasn't had something like this come up on his own gameplay. Cheaters should know you can never fool the eyes of an entire player base for long eventually it all catches up to you. Hopefully Prawly learned from this and chooses another game he can put his all into if he wants to really grow passed it.
I literally sat down, thought to myself "Haven't heard much about "Zombies" in a while, Click over to YT, and here you are serving up 20-min-fresh zombie content. Fantastic!
also rewatching this video again, just noticed that he says "each gobble gum is random and not predictable" which isn't true; you can predict the outcome of each gobble gum. There's a formula to it. Similar to how drop cycles work, you can predict what gum you'll get next which can sometimes be important for going for max ammos gums in a classics run.
since he was confronted with evidence we skipped the condescending denial stage and went into the pleading denial stage that all cheaters go through. that's why some people feel he's more sincere, because he skipped a step. if they confronted him without showing him the evidence first he would have been very condescending and confrontational since that's the first step that literally all disgusting cheating filth go through when caught.
I know very little about spreed running I admire the dedication players have to achieve such times and it’s a subject I’ve learned about exclusively via Karl’s videos. Naturally the algorithm throws up other content creators now who deal with this subject and everyone of them I’ve watched or follow all have mad love for Karl which is really nice and it shows to me that the cheats are not the only thing of note about the community it’s the respect you all have for each other.
I have no intention of being a speedrunner (especially at my age and point in my life), but Karl's channel and content got interested in watching speedruns and appreciating the work and dedication needed to do them. Thanks to all speedrunners, even the cheaters, because without them I wouldn't have understood how cheating was possible
The thing with speedrunning is that you don't need to gear for world records, you can approach it casually and just aim for your own best times for the fun of it.
Wait hold on... bubblegum luck is a HUGE cause of resets. So they use a mod to get unlimited bubblegum tries. Why not just use a mod to get the bubblegum luck they want? Why would they as a community use a mod, but still decide to make each run depend on 5 coin flips?
Yeah, I get why people like running games with rng, especially when it's something like Minecraft where a lot of the skill comes from adapting to the rng, but I'd personally probably run a lot more games if I had the option to do rng-less runs. So far the only game I've seriously run is almost entirely rng empty, and I think I'd go insane if it weren't
I remember randomly clicking on frecklestons stream couple weeks ago when they were discussing it, didnt catch all of it so it didnt made much sense, its nice to hear the full story now
The cheating in professional fps games and streamers is 100x worse. People don’t even hide it as well as these speed runners do. It’s amazing what people will do for a tiny bit of fame.
Ah the trusty splice. It's the oldest trick in the book. 60% of the time it works every time.
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He sounds genuinely upset at himself for making such a stupid error. Not the cheating at the game, but the sucking at video editing part that got him caught. Really sounds like he's realizing he is an idiot as he claims he couldn't be that stupid as his defense.
Yeah he said “you don’t think I wouldn’t notice that?” as he gets caught lacking and had no idea what they were talking about at first. 😂
I mean, the splits doesn't even move. He could have easily edited in a static object over that part of the video to keep his "sum of best" looking the same. Dude just was not nearly as smart as he thought he was.
@@Taolan8472 Yeah, if you're good enough at video editing to splice the run you can easily fix that split display. You just have to actually think to do it.
Imagine how many cheaters aren't caught that didn't make mistakes like this
He sounds like he barely has 2 braincells to rub together. 3-year-olds can lie more convincingly.
I love how immediately after he's called out, instead of denying it, he says "well lets just say I did cheat, do you really think I'd be stupid enough to make a mistake like this?"
Uhh... yeah mate, I do
you could hear the self reflection in that. he was basically admitting to himself he fucked up and made the dumbest mistake, but tried to hide it from the people in the call.
@@I_Am_Wasabi_Man hahah yap
I love answering questions like that with "yes". Both to be funny, but also because that's exactly the thing someone would forget while they're hiding bigger stuff.
Every single one of these cheaters that get caught initially responds the exact same way. "Seriously? I wouldn't be that stupid if I did cheat" it's a classic at this point
@@Speeeedy yeah like if someone showed me my WR run suddenly changes 4 seconds Id be like "WHOA WAIT WHAT? DO THAT AGAIN? WHAT THE FUCK??? HOW THE HELL??"
I love how when he gets called out, he's like "I didn't cheat, but if I DID, I wouldn't make that mistake!"
That was particularly amusing. The idiot was like, "don't you think I would notice that?" The guy mentioning it should have said, "yes, I would have expected you to notice it, but you clearly didn't".
*OJ Simpson Book Titles Have Entered The Chat*
Gaslighting.
"Although, If I were to fight, I wouldn't lose to anyone" ass claim
Yoshikage Kira be like
Guarantee Karl never imagined he'd say the words Gobble Gum this many times in his lifetime let alone a day.
Heck, I'm pretty sure I've used the word "gobble" a fraction of times that Karl said it in this video. This is my first time typing "gobblegum", which is a word that I've never said or typed before.
idk..... that whole mechanic should have been called "Gobble Cum".............
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EX "i like to Gobble activision micro-transaction cum.... to get a pay-to-win advantage...because im a little cum goblin"
He always dreamed of saying it this often which is the only reason he made this vid
@@E-Box I've played a bit of zombies, and I think the majority of times I've ever said the word "gobble" was when I was saying gobblegum.
I'm glad someone else noticed lmao
love seeing zombies speedrunning being talked about, unfortunate that it was in a negative light today but its always fun to see
At least it’s Karl talking about it, he always manages to do a game’s community justice while talking abt the worst shit you can possibly do in a video game
True. As Antonya Chirguh stated in the film ‘Country for Old Men’, “Black Ops 3 Zombie speedrunning does not receive as much discourse as it should”.
Check out Cruppz for some quality commentary about speedrun/high rounds on the various zombies maps from World at War to Black Ops 3. He's really insightful into the limitations and advantages speedrunners have in getting the most of every game, especially when it comes to the inevitable game crash.
@@swandive46 i love cruppz
Highlighting a bad, but we also get to learn about good each time. I didn't know anything about the community much and now I'm gonna watch a few channels while winding down for the evening.
👍 👍
"Had I cheated wouldn't I have done a better job of it?"
I teach in a college and this is a much more common excuse from caught cheaters than you'd think
You don't get it me pulling out my phone and hiding it between my legs was to message my mom and not to chest it anything :))))
College cheaters are motivated by laziness normally
Teach at* clearly you arent teaching English. God i love when brain dead internet addicts think their pathetic job gives them credibility.
Karl, please never stop showing Badabun's video when talking about horribly obvious fake speedruns. It cracks me up
was that attempt supposed to be legit? I think Badabum were well aware they were gonna be caught and yet did it for the lulz, not because they really wanted their names on the top scoreboard
in the end it all worked well for them, getting that free advertising everywhere
@@TheDoomer666Badabun's higher ups were ego tripping at that moment, they genuinely thought they would get away with it, the same way they thought they would get away with the mistreatment of their actors.
@@JuanAntonioGarciaHeredia welp, that sucks, hard to believe they were/are that ignorant to think it would go on unnoticed
@@TheDoomer666 Look how well it went for them 😂 The company is now making 1/4 of what they used to, César Morales, the original CEO, got fired after multiple complaints of sexual harassment and deplorable work environment.
For some reason, every time Karl said "gobblegum" it progressively got funnier to me.
ok
Good gobblegum luck!
Its just a word
The word itself sounds like you’re chewing bubblegum *while* you actually say gobblegum
Same I giggled a couple times 😂
11:55 dude that silence hits so hard. You can feel his mind just being melted down in a desperate attempt to find a solution
Really glad to help shine light on this whole thing, appreciate you taking the time to learn and understand fully about our speedrun and helping expose terrible people
Mate terrible is a strong word, the guy just sounds like a nerd who wanted some form of attention. Glad he's gone but its not like he's apart of ISIS or something lmao. Anyway good runs mate. (Excited for your only fans!)
It's the guy from the video :O
@@Kryptixit isn't too strong word at all. Terrible isn't as black and white as you make it out. There are variations of terrible, some better and worse than others. It is terrible to get to know and interact with a community under false pretenses. It is terrible to lie about a world record.
@@UltimaMannah, "terrible people" is a phrase reserved for actions worse than cheating in a video game.
Why doesn't the community use mods that make the wave spawns and first gum fixed as a standard? It feels to me like leaving it random and therefore having to reset 90% of runs adds nothing to the actual skill of speedrunning. But I could also just completely not understand it, as I am not a speedrunner and dislike games with RNG based gameplay.
One small thing
When you load into a zombie game solo, you play as one of 4 characters. Rarely does this matter in speed runs but in shadows of evil you must get a certain character, Nero, because he can let you perform a certain step (upgraded swords) much faster then every other character. Which means runs must get Nero and reign drops in order to get past round 1, and it’s why soe takes a lot of luck.
Yep you have to hit a 1 in 4 and a 1 in 5 consecutively before you can even start, it’s certainly a nuisance.
so why is this the most popular speedrunning map if there's so much useless rng
@@HarrDarr because the Easter egg is cool, the map is the only free one, and most of the other maps have a lot of rng too, just later on.
The other maps are popular too but this one is a more consistent one. Keep in mind this is a variation of SOE speed run, this is meant to be done with 4 players in normal gameplay.
At this point why not just do what the bioshock infinite runners did and just tweak the settings so you always get Nero and perfect order gobblegums? Doesn't feel like much of a skill competition when you're only allowed to compete 1/100 times.
Imagine if we had a sprint but you can only accept times if the guy successfully calls 10 coin flips in a row or something. At that point is it really a speed competition or just who averages out to be luckier because that means by default they get more practice and attempts?
I love hearing Karl repeatedly saying gobble gum without cracking up.
What why
I think the moderator interviewing him actually used some pretty neat interrogation techniques, like leaving a long pause after a question is answered, letting the "suspect" dig their own grave by elaborating on their answer too much, trying to convince the other person and get them to say something.
So valuable talking to anyone, rather honest or not, just let them talk
He's a scumbag too just for different reasons
@sourhour3403 Good catch! this is a really late reply but I’m a former detective so I had to comment. I’m happy you noticed that, and it’s actually a real interrogation technique that the FBI teaches. It’s called a “pregnant pause” and it serves the purpose you assumed it did. At the moment of confrontation they basically have a natural tendency to fill the awkward silence, often with information that explains the evidence before you finish confronting them about it. But due to the adrenaline dump and lack of prep time, they almost always give an inconsistency, a lie, or accidental confession (excited utterance) by mistake, leaving the interviewer with more evidence than before.
(I started typing to explain the technique but started explaining the nuances and eventually ended up writing something that resembled a published scholarly article, so if you’re interested you can find out more online lol)
@@juderocks5 I didn't know it by name but I did know about it, I watch a lot of JCS and other channels that cover interrogations. Glad to hear my knowledge-by-osmosis didn't end up being nonsense!
@@nsf001-3i know this is 2 months ago, but could you explain? i'm not in the community so i don't really know either person tbh
He truly was a generous man.
Without his months of playtime, and poorly thought out lies, we could not have enjoyed this video.
Such a great guy to go through all that trouble just to help out the community, what a champ!
He's the true speed runner spoken of in the prophecy
He cheated for our sins@@dynomar11
What baffles me more is that people have time to play games 9 hours a day tbh (exept creators who live of that obv)
funniest part about his statement is that it's not even true because there was no innovation to his cheating, like bruh splicing and cheat mods are speedrun cheating 101 everyone is already looking for it because they already know they happen
We should all thank him for gracing the Earth with his presence. What a humble person.
"If i cheated, I wouldn't have made that mistake" is such a bad defense omg. "You can't say i cheated because I'm so good at cheating you wouldn't be able to notice"
"If I were the murderer, I wouldn't allow myself to get caught, would I?"
@@magicmuldertbf I wouldn’t allow myself to get caught either.. that’s what most murders do they try to cover it
"If the glove fits, you must aqcuit"
"I mean, like, bro, like, come on, bro, like, bro, I mean, like"
Indeed, but in spite of that I use it all the time, when people accuse me of dumb shit. It sounds much better in your head, when you are the one using it...
Hearing Karl say gobblegum so seriously was a treat for the ears.
I didn't know I needed it
Fr, I’m not familiar with this game but his delivery paired with that word was delightful
So cringe hahaha , why does a man saying a word give you such pleasure ? Weird. 😊
Personally, it felt like a barrage of cringemissles that I barely survived. lol
@@gargoylekitty 6:30 is where you're gonna want to restart the video then :)
Long-con cheating has got to be the most pathetic type of cheating there is. It's not a spur of the moment thing you do out of frustration. This guy came into the community wanting to cheat from the start.
The fact that he got away with it for as long as he did is impressive though. Obviously morally wrong though
@@legendarywiimaster Six months isn't that long when you think about it. A lot of the cheaters Karl features got away with it for years.
it makes me feel kinda bad for him, just because, what kind of headspace does someone have to be in to dedicate that much time and effort to cheating in a video game?
In my opinion if you're long con cheating you might as well just practice the game so you don't have to cheat
@@Chaotic_evil_duck he was very good at the game he just set the odds to his favor. Speedruning when rng is such a heavy factor is the worst type. I kinda understand this guy. I wish such mods were legal for Speedruns
y'know whats kind of crazy, we only hear the stories of the people who were caught, it makes you think, especially in cases like these where they would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for one mistake, makes you think how many people who are hailed as legends in their respective game cheated and just sit at the top with the most squeak clean cheated runs of all time, like all the perfect heist in crime movies
There was that Mario 64 speedrunner who had a cheated WR for like a decade and only got caught because he was gloating about it on a random TH-cam comment and someone decided to look into it. One of the best cases of schadenfreude I've seen
@@Awsome2464 I don't think I've heard of that one, but I do love me some schadenfreude, is there a video on it and, if so, do you know where it is?
@@spode2917 the first time I heard the story was in a video by charliebrown64. if you search super Mario 64 speedrun cheater it should be one of the first results. The first story in the mini documentary is the one you’re looking for
@@spode2917 There's no specific video (any video talking about spliced SM64 runs will mention him), but on one of the older 16 star WRs, a guy named 'holeymoley' commented that he held the 16 star record for years. So someone went back and looked at his old runs and figured out they were spliced thanks to modern editing software. If holeymoley didn't gloat, *no one would've known*. It's honestly a small blip in the overall SM64 WR continuity, but its still funny.
How many years did Silly Bitchell get to claim himself the King of Kong (or whatever)? So long that the lie became his entire personality...meaning he had to protect it no matter what that meant doing. When somebody is that intent on obscuring the truth, it can take a while for people to catch on and figure it out...but they almost always do.
To be fair to the "fact checkers" and sleuths, not everyone can start their search in 2nd gear 😂
The desperate gaslighting attempt is so funny. "You don't think I would've noticed that? You don't think I wouldn't really gone through that and looked at my time?"
Exactly the same strat I used to implement with my parents aged 10
Okay, we've seen cheaters writing eloquent passive-aggressive rebuttals, we've seen cheaters suing everyone who accuses them of cheating, but cheaters acting like they're doing community a favor is something new. White hat hackers are supposed to come clean immediately, not after they are caught.
We love cheaters trying to take the moral high ground
Its surprisingly...Not actually the first time. The first time was the guy with the biggest Minecraft speedrun on TH-cam's run being fake, and he acted like he only did it to grow Minecraft's speedrunning community
These videos hit different when you’re familiar with the game being discussed. I’m getting way too happy about getting to hear Karl talk about zombie spawns and Gobblegums, lol.
“If you don’t get your shopping free we ain’t resetting again” - I believe everyone said this at one point while grinding the DE Easter egg with mates
@@jerry3790 I mean, I guess only when griding for a speedrun? I only did the ea like 3 times. no restarts or anything just fun twice at the gatehouse trap. second time we should have reset tbh. We had to kill hundreds of zombies to start next round for next step because someone went overboard. but we found it hilarious in a way I guess.
I saw this game on sale and I’m hesitant to buy it since it’s older and I assume not many people are playing zombies
@@Detective_Lif you got xbox game pass, they gonna make em free some point
@@Detective_LSolo zombies is still super fun, I wouldn’t recommend online coop bc you can’t really communicate properly. Coop with friends is easily one of if not the most fun thing to do where you can just chill and piss around. If you get it for cheap, I’d highly recommend, esp if you can fork up a little for der riese, DE, and other dlc
"You don't think I wouldn't notice that?"
Months of preparation. Months of building up a reputation, of making himself look legit. All for this moment. And he didn't notice it.
I can't even imagine.
Has *anyone* Karl covered in one of these videos been caught cheating and then gone "Well damn, you got me"? It's so funny how none of them admit it at first no matter how concrete the evidence is. Most of the time they don't even fully cave later, it's always "Nah only that run was cheated", and then *eventually* "Nevermind, all of them were cheated."
I could be misremembering, but I think the guy who cheated during GDQ had a whole manifesto ready when he was confronted.
There actually was kinda one, dream playing Minecraft did eventually fully admit all his runs was not legit, but it was based on accidentally not removing mods on his game he had for fan streaming. So he admitted but i think it was a legit "oops" and he wasn't trying to cheat and it seems Karl came to that conclusion
@@ItsDangerousGoAlone Difference is that was after having already denied it for a long time.
@@ItsDangerousGoAlonehe literally hired an astrophysicist to put out a paper showing how his run could statistically be possible. and even then, he didn’t fully admit to cheating
@@ItsDangerousGoAlone Dream is the worst example you could've given. He had lied about not cheating for a long time only to finally be like "whoops, it seems that I _accidentally_ forgot to turn off this very specific mod that gives you better RNG during my runs".
Whats crazy is he cheated in the most accessible catagory. The shadows EE is super easy to learn and do.
Yeah, it's just time consuming as hell, but it's an endurance marathon more than a skilled sprint. Which makes it weirder since this dude still went and invested months of his time into this con. If he had played legit he might have actually made it to the top 10 with how much he dedicated to the run
Yep the only hard thing is the rng but that’s automatic
@@joaogomes9405 Yeah it's very interesting to me that if he was only manipulating his rng, that means he does potentially have the skillset needed to actually perform the run legitimately. You see other cheaters who do this, but the fact this guy also dedicated 6 months to planning out/slowly improving his time to make it seem "legitimate" is so odd. You're right, if he played those 6 months legitimately he might not have gotten a WR but he definitely had a chance to become very respected in the category. Normally I feel like you'd manipulate rng because you didn't want to grind out resets but this guy seems to have been grinding pretty hard anyway. Shame.
@@intendedtendenciesGiven that you need perfect RNG to do a world record, I kind of feel that the moderators should just allow everyone to mod in perfect RNG, because then it just comes down to the skill of the player and they don't waste so much time. It would provide a better competition if the luck were removed.
@@David-ud9ju yeah thats always the weird thing with speedrunning, like I know og RE3 runs have rng mods but some communities just refuse. More then likely just for accessibility purposes so console atleast has somewhat of a chance
i really do appreciate the "we all know that red cars go faster" joke. i love me some warhammer references and i got a chuckle out of it because i have a red mustang and i have stated several times that same joke that "i only bought it because its red and red means its faster". as always though thank you karl jobst for reporting on these cheaters and for helping to try and keep communities honest. your videos have become the highlight of my day and im always excited to see a video pop up into the feed.
Speaking of speed runs. Thanks to you, Karl, and your channel, I got curious and started playing Doom. I love it. I'm not too bad, but I'll never be a speed runner (or deluded enough to fake a speed run).
epic
Classic Karl
Love to hear this lol. Enjoy the classics.
the old doom games have aged rather well compared to other games from the time, so I hope you'll have a fun time with them.
!Doom mooD!
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I was pretty good friends with this guy, it made me really sad when i learned he cheated, he'd send me all of his "pb's" and i would be so proud when he would progress, really makes me sad to see the lengths that people would go for clout
How's your relationship with him now?
"Friends" people you know online are not friends lmao
@@ppeezthey certainly can be
I think they can be if you've known them long enough. I'm friends with a couple of people I've known online for over 20 years now and we still talk.@@ppeez
@ppeez You live in a sad world then. I have a ton of online friends, many of which I met in real life over the years.
The funny thing is if they all agreeded it would be interesting if they are did runs with the mod that allows the correct bug spawn and gum order. Would save huge amounts of time for everyone but runs would still need skill.
This is the one point I gotta agree on with the cheater. A lot of speedrun communities specifically mod out RNG like that because there's literally no skill in it and it's just a waste of time having to reset runs because of it. Imo his mod should be integrated into the infinite gobblegum mod and that's that.
Splicing is bad tho, none of that.
yea, i was wondering about that. like if everyone had the same 'luck' mod then it would just put everyone on equal footing and then only skill determined the runs, right? i mean, i dunno but it was just on my mind the whole time.
also side note but even if that wouldnt be allowed, it would be hilarious if there was a speedrunning equivalent of like, drugged up olympics where mods and cheats ARE allowed for this specific category and the cheaters all compete against each other for the fastest possible (or impossible) time
So cool that Karl does this, but also has a community that generally doesn’t go out of their way to harass the cheaters. It’s important people know that stuff like this happens and how to identify it
Kid needs some love at home
Because most of us don't care who these people are. It's just fun to watch people and their downfall like a serial killer documentary.
i harass them personally
@@ccvjd3909😐
At the end of the day this is just our hobby. No one deserves to get lynched for cheating in a video game.
The exception to that rule is when they cheat for prize money or bounties. That's not tolerable.
A Cod zombies video from Karl Jobst?!?! is this a dream?????
Right 😂
W
True krumpz
I was shocked
oh hey
For clarity for those that don’t know the gobblegums shown in the match start screen are: Reign drop-spawns every type of power-up in the game, nuclear winter-spawns a nuke power-up which kills all spawned enemies on the map and heavily damages boss enemies (no effect during boss fights), wall power-which turns the gun you buy after getting it into its pack-a-punched version (its upgraded basically), perkaholic-every zombies player favourite gobblegum, this rare jewel grants the player all perks on the map, and finally anywhere but here, this is a common gobblegum, meaning every player has access to it after playing a while, it randomly teleports you to a random spot on the map after activating it, have I believe 2 activations.
Important side note, Anywhere But Here is one of the two-or-maybe-three viable Gobblegums you get in the base game (i.e. the "free" gums).
All the other useful gums - Perkaholic, Reign Drops, etc. - are earned through the loot drop system, which requires either a TON of grinding, dropping potentially HUNDREDS of dollars in microtransactions, or just flat-out modding the game.
So... 20% of runs make it past the first gobblegum, then, 50% of those make it past wave 5. That alone means that 10% of runs only make it through based on luck alone, not even counting all the optimal movements you need to make to get through the level. Thats kinda crazy imo.
I don't know how people speedrun games with that level of RNG honestly. It would be soul crushing.
But the 20% is so early on that you can still get a lot of runs in without and not be demoralized
It's worth acknowledging that this is only one category, and there are category splits for Mega Gobblegum (which is this category), Classic Gobblegum Only (which uses a selection of gumballs not locked behind microtransactions) and No Gobblegum (which avoids the machine entirely). So this is just one category and if you tire of it you can always just... Play a different category :P
Its so soul crushing when you go for high rounds
10% is a good ratio for speed runners.
Prawly sounds young in that voice clip. He probably thought he was being cool by getting the world record but isn’t mature enough to understand how impactful cheating is.
most speedrunners are young (A) because young reflexes help a ton and (B) not needing to work to pay rent and put food on the table helps a ton. Other than of course Billy Mitchell who is the GOAT no matter how old he gets
should still know better tbh
@@ssl3546I wonder if this is sarcastic or not
@@ssl3546 We've got Lewis Hamilton plowing past Monte Carlo walls by thirds of inches and Roger Federer owning young pups regularly, and people still spew this nonsense. Met a 26 yo gamer recently who said he couldnt keep up due to his age. Botz will be botz XD
@@Flotter-FloI mean, that’s a really bad argument. Just because the best in the world has a long career doesn’t mean it’s not true. In fact, that’s why they are legends.
If age wasn’t a factor, we would see a lot more older people in sports.
"But Prawly had fucked up" caught me off guard 😂
12:50 Ahh, yes. The classic "If I cheated, don't you think I would have done a better job?" argument. Works every time.
Karl Jobst makes some of the best content on youtube and I'm not even into speed-running. His story telling gets me invested in it regardless.
He does do a good job of breaking it down and keeping it concise, so it's easy to follow and absorb the information.
Ah yes the AI voiceover is truly a treat.....
im pretty sure his voice is just that monotone
Karl is an absolute legend at storytelling
His voice's just lax.
it truly makes me wonder what people get out of cheating like this. speedrunning is such a hobby of passion and personal accomplishment. it's like cheating at knitting by buying a sweater
I wonder if they even enjoy it. I'd be so ashamed and paranoid that i wouldn't even like compliments about it, even if i was never caught.
9:40 that F bomb came out of nowhere lol
I've been watching ||steve|| for a very long time. Sad to see this happen in his community. Props to him for noticing the inconsistency and letting the rest of the moderators know
3:13
"Personally, I like to make my car red because everyone knows that red cars go faster."
Oh lord, Karl is tapping into the WAAAGH! Everyone in that game in done for.
Red wunz DO go fasta u git WAAAAGHH
@@vksasdgaming9472 Speakin' a' WAAAGH! better call da mek'noggin' wit moar bitz. Dem gribbliez been chewin' da wallz agin.
it blows me away how karl always finds these storyss and how well they are made
The care and effort are there; you're too right! ^_^
stories*
Karl is very well known and his audience touches a huge game base because of how accessible they are, if scandals come up they’re likely shared with him.
Probably when some cheater is found, some people from that community notify karl
bug of cake is an amazing guy I’ve tried doing some runs myself but never got close to any noticable PB but he is always willing to talk and discuss strats and stuff, much love
He’s also cracked at geo guesser
@12:55 my mans really pulled the "If I was cheating, do you think I'd miss THAT?"
yeah, I think you did
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Makes you wonder how many other cheaters are just hiding amongst us. Kind of eerie if you think about it.
>amongst us
=O
get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head
*there is 3 imposTers among us*
-suspicious
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Among us
I honestly never expected to see Karl covering CoD Zombies, great coverage
I cannot take this seriously when I keep hearing the word gobblegum so often
This is crazy to see this featured here, it's sad what happened as he was trusted in the community and many were happy for him (after getting WR) but it turned out he cheated. Thanks for covering this Karl, great video!
It’s honestly rather impressive how well thought this scheme was. The forethought to actually “ struggle” with rng and “ improve” over time. Glad they got caught, otherwise this could have been a real crappy way for the next in line to lose WR
Hah... I don't know how to say this, but my first thought is "some people are easily impressed". Isn't this what you'd expect? I figure many of our world records in a lot of games were people who are cheating who haven't been caught yet, and maybe never can be caught, because they were as well-thought out as this, and better executed.
This feels like a bare minimum for a WR cheat.
There's nothing impressive about cheating.
*he
Honestly if I had to guess it was a mix of that and him just genuinely just getting better at the game. It's not like god RNG really makes the egg a gimme
he was actually playing well, just got perfect rng every time which led to more runs and more continuous improvement as far as I understand
I am addicted to your content karl IT IS 4 IN THE MORNING ive been up all night watchin yo vids bruh
Listening to you say gobblegum several times make me giggle for some reason lol amazing video as always. Also, i love the fact that you cover small niches as well as the big ones. A lot of these speedrunners are so talented but will never get much recognition because the game they play isn't popular.
imagine a world where everyone gets the same balls in the same order and people can fight over WRs with just skill and without resetting 2000 times a day
and then someone comes in with (hard to detect) aimbot and ruins the entire thing
That’s what I don’t get. The mod for free gums is ok, but mod for perfect rng is not? Why not?
Why make speedrunners waste time, because they were unlucky?
@@hatifnat9130because Console Players exist, they don't want to be segregated from the PC leader boards
isnt it already a very big disadvantage to play on console cause of slower aiming? dont play cod so no idea but id imagine console speedruners arent really compareable to pc anyway @@gr33nriver77
do console players have access to this free gobblegums thing? idk, I think segregation is probably the move, speedrunners shouldn't be held back by alternate platforms @@gr33nriver77
it's funny hearing him instantly start to panic when he realized he got caught 😂
Been waiting YEARS for Karl to cover COD Zombies on this channel...HELL YEAH BOYS!!!
The defense of "Do you think I'd have left this in if i cheated" feels so much like the Dunning Kruger effect. And him just trying to bluff his way through the situation.
This may be the only channel where I ALWAYS watch videos 100% till the very end, I'm a gamer but no real interest in speedruns, great content congrats!
You don't skip past his shilling? I do. Fuck that shit. He actually pretends Raid: Shadow Legends is a game 😂
Hearing prawly try to explain himself, I wanted to crawl up my own arse with embarrassment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
fr😂
Secondhand embarrassment is something else
He did us all a favor by providing material for another Karl Jobst video.
Is Karl paying people to cheat for content? 😉
him and billy mitchell and todd toddster (I forgot his name seriously lol)
he's just trying to help beat Silly Bitchell, can't blame him for that.
Yeah, I think his name is Todd Lobster@@grimmsoul3096
Yeah, but still. These are kids most of the time and I think it's messed up to shame/ insult them as hard as some TH-camrs do.
There's a Wirtual video of some cheater kid with his face slapped on the thumbnail with millions of views. That's really messed up.
Good content, but messed up.
For those not familiar with bo3 speed running, Freckleston is the goat! Guy is incredibly talented at most of the maps, and pops up with new WRs left and right. Steve also fantastic, defo go check them out
I tried speedrunning bo3 origins a few years back and man the amount of skill and luck needed is insane, props to the runners like freckleston and the likes
You know its a good day when Karl posts!
Ughhhhh
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Hades went on sale shortly after his last video. I grabbed it and I'm loving it. His content is always diverse and awesome.
bro you mad? im not a bot ur just slow lol
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Good for us, bad for the cheaters!!
Wow...9 hours a day faking speed runs to impress people on the internet. Imagine what he COULD have done with that time.
Excellent analysis! Was a big deal when it happened, you really nailed the specifics of what he did wrong. Just wish we were better equipped to detect splicing in runs.
It's likely there would be detectable encoding artifacts. If the videos are losslessly stitched together, it would be obvious in the file. If the video got re-encoded, that should be detectable as well (as every re-encoding reduces the quality a bit). I'm not an expert, but it seems very likely someone could detect a splice from analyzing the pixels.
These new games also need demos. I mean, it was more than possible in 1993...
@@waarschijn the issue is the lack of resources online for learning. And even then it's warned that the results can't be conclusive. If you have any information or tips on how to get started I'd love to know!
@@zatozatoichi7920 what do you mean by demos?
Karl will never run out of TH-cam content, there are so many cheaters, so much stupidity he can talk about it forever
Thank you for shining a spotlight on this. I had no idea COD had a zombie mode speedrun community. Learn new things every day. Alas there is a cheater in this vid, but still I learned about a cool thing.
as much as it is a bad thing to have happened, i do always love watching these "Cheater finally caught" vids, sorta satisfying despite me never playing half the games and definitely none of them competitively/in speedrunning lmao
It's human drama. Magnetic.
So genuine question here: this guy was actually amazing at the game and the only thing he cheated was the RNG. If every runner resets until they get that RNG, is it so terrible? I mean, why isn't it more common practice to force RNG in these games where basically 90% of your tries are reset partway through at no fault of your own? It seems like a waste of time. Kinda like playing Jenga but someone kicks the table every turn. It's not a measure of skill. It's just a measure of endurance.
I'm not saying we should take this particular run as valid. There are certain rules in place and he violated them. I'm talking about speedrunning in general.
Step 1: Pathetically attempt to act clueless
Step 2: Make up some technical mumbo jumbo about frames and video conversions
Step 3: Blame it on depression and vague mental health issues
Step 4: Apologize and disappear
Prawly skipped steps 2 and 3 which was a real disappointed to me
"incredibly fun racer"
Karl is a hero
I’m going through a rough time in my life rn but your content manages to put a smile on my face when I see that notification, you never fail to impress on how you can make a good, simple and informative video interesting and full of your unique humor. Keep up the great work Karl ❤
Hopefully whatever is going on in your life gets better
Hope things get better for you
These comments are so wierd to me. Every youtuber gets these "you got me through a rough time" comments. I first noticed them in Jordan Peterson comment sections, but they made sense since he's a bit of a "self-help" guru. But now I see them on random entertainment videos. No chance a random youtube game journalist gets you through a rough time. At most, he helped you forget about your troubles for 15 minutes every week or two.
agreed@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718that’s a pretty silly take. Entertainment TH-camrs can collectively serve as an effective distraction from the sucky parts of life that someone may be experiencing in the moment. Even only 10-15 minutes from a few different TH-camrs every week or so can make a huge difference. It makes just as much sense that someone finds solace in entertainment as in a self help video
6:35-7:35 Karl gets the “saying the phrase “gobble-gum”” speedrun WR
Karl Jobst talking about Black Ops 3 zombies is my Christmas
Aaaaaahhhhh listening to people try to weasel out of accountability is like my kryptonite, just by hearing it I _feel_ some of their shame - even when they don't seem to be feeling it themselves. I can't take it! I wish I could explain to these cheaters that it's never worth it, and rest easy knowing that they weren't out there messing everything up with their troubles.
I hope you have a mature partner in life because that sounds like a personality quirk that can easily be taken advantage of.
@@Ortorin maybe so, but it is cringe to hear.
I think theres a term for this feeling, its a psychological quirk. I think its common among people with both high empathy and social anxiety.
@@ry_an. How so? Its a trait common among people with high empathy and social anxiety. I don't see what's cringe about that.
@@peppermintgal4302 what, trying to weasel yourself out of accountability like a rodent? Thats always cringe to hear
I used to speed run R50 solo and the EE with my friend on MOTD its a blast to the past to see Karl talking about zombies speedrunning.
this just makes me sad man, zombies is something I know well and have been playing for about a decade now. I’m not a speedrunner myself, as I’m not nearly dedicated or skilled enough to be one, but being in the community for so long I know how much work goes into legitimate runs, and it makes me sad seeing that work undermined by cheaters
It's just bo3, they're not part of the community, we don't count them. It's just the 12 year olds
@@TheTicassShowlol what have you accomplished?
@@pjsq a couple records on bo2, used to have a 1000 Shi no waw speedrun, Pb pb on asc bo1 is 110 crash, pb on Shi no waw is 2062 crash, Used to have a coop wr with the WR holder for Buried bo2 (Vhanno). What have you accomplished ?
Work undermined? More like luck undermined with how heavily reliant it is on RNG.
@@melancholyentertainment I’m aware it’s heavily reliant on RNG, but the runners still have to put in an incredible amount of time and effort. Yes, a world record run is quite reliant on good RNG, but as an example I could get the best RNG possible on the map I’m most confident on, and still never even come close to world record. that’s all my point was
Man that defense, what an impenetrable wall. I woulda been like "Woah, thats wild"
Edit: "You think I wouldn't catch that?" Impenetrable defense! The ultimate defensive ability
Man should be a lawyer with defense like that
Shoutout to the 'most replayed' section of the video being the end of the sponsorship, sponsor just donating to Karl at that point.
It's always so satisfying when cheaters are caught but the confessions always sound the same.
I'm not a speedrunner, but part of me thinks that RNG is a bullshit mechanic when it comes to speedrunning, it's luck of the draw. I think speedrunning should be a sheer display of skill and maybe it should be allowed for players to manipulate RNG so that everyone has a chance to be the most skillful, rather than wasting their lives trying to get lucky. I know a lot of people will disagree with that but that's just my two cents.
this really depends on the game, there are plenty of games that have basically 0 rng and are purely skill based and then there are runs like these with low chances, and everything in between, some games even have perfect rng manipulation that can be pulled off with human input, ultimately no game has the same level of rng so there can't really be a "universal" clause for it aside from allowing external software, which some speedrun communities allow, bioshock infinite for example has an equipment drop needed for optimal gameplay, so speedrunners use a mod that guarantees it
Especially when you consider they already allow mods for unlimited Gobblegum. Sounds like all the kid did was make it an actual test of skill and not luck.
Steve is crazy with how good he is I know he has a lot of rough sessions but when he gets a run man is it ever just magic and I am glad he hasn't had something like this come up on his own gameplay. Cheaters should know you can never fool the eyes of an entire player base for long eventually it all catches up to you. Hopefully Prawly learned from this and chooses another game he can put his all into if he wants to really grow passed it.
13:12 "I don't know. Maybe you missed it." - The coldest voice I'll hear I'll day. The voice of someone who knows they're talking to a liar.
I literally sat down, thought to myself "Haven't heard much about "Zombies" in a while, Click over to YT, and here you are serving up 20-min-fresh zombie content. Fantastic!
*14:04 with the ad break removed
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@@lilthreadd Don't hate me I'm just using Sponsorblock
also rewatching this video again, just noticed that he says "each gobble gum is random and not predictable" which isn't true; you can predict the outcome of each gobble gum. There's a formula to it. Similar to how drop cycles work, you can predict what gum you'll get next which can sometimes be important for going for max ammos gums in a classics run.
since he was confronted with evidence we skipped the condescending denial stage and went into the pleading denial stage that all cheaters go through. that's why some people feel he's more sincere, because he skipped a step. if they confronted him without showing him the evidence first he would have been very condescending and confrontational since that's the first step that literally all disgusting cheating filth go through when caught.
"I was lifting boulders with my wife's son how could I have cheated"
"disgusting cheating filth" loool it's a video game buddy
@cameronmason4452 Even sadder he's cheating at a solo video game "Buddy" 😂😂
Never in a million years did I think you would talk about black ops 3 zombies😂. Still gonna be an amazing video regardless
I know very little about spreed running I admire the dedication players have to achieve such times and it’s a subject I’ve learned about exclusively via Karl’s videos. Naturally the algorithm throws up other content creators now who deal with this subject and everyone of them I’ve watched or follow all have mad love for Karl which is really nice and it shows to me that the cheats are not the only thing of note about the community it’s the respect you all have for each other.
I have no intention of being a speedrunner (especially at my age and point in my life), but Karl's channel and content got interested in watching speedruns and appreciating the work and dedication needed to do them.
Thanks to all speedrunners, even the cheaters, because without them I wouldn't have understood how cheating was possible
If you're into that you could try Wirtual too. He does trackmania content and also doc style stuff for cheaters of TM as well.
Same with SummoningSalt
The thing with speedrunning is that you don't need to gear for world records, you can approach it casually and just aim for your own best times for the fun of it.
Poor kid imagine having a dad who spends his free time watching speedrun videos
@ezaf5989 way to assume I spend my free time watching speed run videos all the time. Did daddy walk out on you ?
Damn Steve is the zombies goat and a top tier detective. Absolute legend
Steve is not the zombies goat lol
The Steve praise is necessary 😂. Goat forsure.
@@pjsqSteve is pretty good hed be considered a goat imo
@@pjsqThen tell us whose the goat in your eyes? Let me guess Gregfps, Noahj456, Mrtlexify 😂
He is and he’s caught other cheaters too, actually a great detective
I don't get what the point of him cheating for months when he could of done the WR legit with all that time spent. Just why?
too hard for him
Ahhh, we love watching some Black Ops III zombies stuff. Takes me back when Lex, Pat, and the Vanoss Crew were my boys.
Can't help but think of Lui Calibre asking if they _really_ have to kill the gummy bears.
Wait hold on... bubblegum luck is a HUGE cause of resets. So they use a mod to get unlimited bubblegum tries.
Why not just use a mod to get the bubblegum luck they want? Why would they as a community use a mod, but still decide to make each run depend on 5 coin flips?
It’s even more ridiculous when you realize they already use mod for unlimited gums. Why is that ok, and RNG removal mod not?
"If I wanted to do that, I could've done it much better"
damn, it's insane how often liars use that defense
Imo, in categories that heavily rely on RNG, there should be a category that allows mods to removes that RNG for people who want to run it
Yeah, I get why people like running games with rng, especially when it's something like Minecraft where a lot of the skill comes from adapting to the rng, but I'd personally probably run a lot more games if I had the option to do rng-less runs. So far the only game I've seriously run is almost entirely rng empty, and I think I'd go insane if it weren't
I LOVE Karl Jobst speedrunning cheaters caught videos they're so good ❤
I remember randomly clicking on frecklestons stream couple weeks ago when they were discussing it, didnt catch all of it so it didnt made much sense, its nice to hear the full story now
Another good Story of a Speedrunning Community! I have very little Knowledge about Speedrunning but the way you present these Stories gets me hooked!
The cheating in professional fps games and streamers is 100x worse. People don’t even hide it as well as these speed runners do. It’s amazing what people will do for a tiny bit of fame.
Karl jobst really be an absolute legend for talking about all the games i love
Happy to see you cover bo3 zombies runs in general. The zombies community is quite the anomaly when it comes to speedrunning
I remember hearing about him in 2016, can't believe he finally got caught. Fly high mate