The complete guide to climbing Taiwan's highest peak - (Jade Mountain, 3952m) 爬台灣第一高峰 -玉山

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  • @洪瑞真瑞真
    @洪瑞真瑞真 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    真的很少TH-camr會像你一樣,將所有相關資訊呈現出來,幫助所有想要分享的人~
    佩服你的胸襟也謝謝你對台灣的觀光發展的貢獻❤👍💪

  • @alexmorgan3435
    @alexmorgan3435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Cool. The path looks straight forward, but altitude sickness will still get you. I climbed Kota Kinabalu 4101m in 1992 when it was hardly known and it was HARD. I went back in 2000 and a path much the same as on Mt Jade had been constructed making it a lot easier but the altitude sickness still kicked in for me around 3700m. The 2nd attempt was even worse than the 1st. A German guy saved me he was a qualified mountain guide and eventually got me to the summit. When you are standing on the peak of a highest peak with nothing around higher it is an awesome feeling just like Mt Jade probably is. When I visited Taiwan in 2018 I wanted to climb it but just didn't have the knowledge of how to go about getting permits etc so your video is really helpful. Would love to re-visit Taiwan at some point and climb it. Many thanks for making. ATB.

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good luck!

    • @mattschm5486
      @mattschm5486 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 days is straightforward the air gets a bit thin though and we had really strong wind and snowy rain at the top

    • @sunburnsam
      @sunburnsam ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Alex .... can I check ...how did the german guide help you overcome the Attitude sickness?
      Hopefully, 1 year later you are still checking in on comments:)

  • @AmbientWalking
    @AmbientWalking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Incredible way of experiencing the world. I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying this! Really soothing!

  • @dieseltree567
    @dieseltree567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Watching your video is a great way to spend Saturday afternoon. Peaceful and soothing.

  • @888public
    @888public 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You are not alone this time. Thank you for sharing the important information.

  • @Lance58
    @Lance58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    看很多人爬玉山的影片,您算是講解得最清楚,感謝!
    風景很美,你的女兒也很美。

  • @Bagellatte
    @Bagellatte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    my husband climbed yushan in under a day. He started at 3am, reached the summit and descend before night falls. I hope 1 day when borders reopen, I can have a chance to go there!

    • @張宏甫
      @張宏甫 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      快速登山易高山症,有危險!

  • @franklu1505
    @franklu1505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow, this is a great film with high quality and description-the best one of all time. Thank you for sharing.

  • @korkor279
    @korkor279 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Richard, nice to see you back after the xmas season. Nice hike !!! Good journey to bond with your daughter.

  • @leeedward4399
    @leeedward4399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh wow, I love the sunset view with the sea of cloud floating below. Very good one, Richard. 👍

  • @art0507
    @art0507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's fascinating to hike through woods and greens and be greeted by white snow. Can't wait for your next video on hike packing.

  • @bradlin9104
    @bradlin9104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    非常棒的分享,登玉山是很特殊的回憶,
    我們當初的行程是前一晚住在塔塔加的東埔山莊睡通舖,
    隔天登山口走到排雲山莊一路上一直下雨很不方便,
    幸好登頂時好天氣,下山沿途的風景真的很迷人

  • @steveb5366
    @steveb5366 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As usual, an informative and enjoyable video. This hike is now on my list. I just have to persuade my wife to accompany me on it when we are back in Taiwan.

  • @ginochen2936
    @ginochen2936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the sunset view is one of the million ❤

  • @4672-m9f
    @4672-m9f 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you,great video

  • @aimtiya
    @aimtiya ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for such an informative videos !

  • @misotam
    @misotam ปีที่แล้ว

    that is very informative and detailed. Thanks alot for sharing!

  • @peterjong1
    @peterjong1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    謝謝Richard, 你的玉山申請指南,介紹非常清楚,希望更多國際友人來台灣爬山
    感謝美好的天候,玉山前鋒.主峰都出"大景",拍攝得非常美
    衷心謝謝

  • @boonwahtay2682
    @boonwahtay2682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks Richard for this great video! Bright sunshine, clear blue sky and beautiful scenery! Thanks so much for also providing guidance on the planning, preparation and administration required to scale Yu Shan. Looking forward to the packing video! Simply awesome and fantastic! Over and Out! 😀
    感謝李察精彩和有教育意義的影片!讓我們能看到美麗的風景,蔚藍的天空和攻頂的喜悅和興奮。而且你清楚仔細的說明了登上之前策劃,準備和登記事項,真的是超讚的!😀 期待你下個準備登山裝備的視屏。 感謝!😀

  • @張宏甫
    @張宏甫 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    感謝您!

  • @sdqsdq6274
    @sdqsdq6274 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this format is so much better ,included the booking procedure , never interview your daughter about a first hike experience

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She's shy and doesn't want to be on camera. It's not Tik Tok!

  • @frnk57
    @frnk57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    台灣真漂亮

  • @pj0607tw
    @pj0607tw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for sharing so much detail about hiking permit and the other detail about it. I would definitely pass it to my husband to check, so next time when we go hiking, I can ask him to apply permit instead of me being the one who apply all the time.

  • @MrGino714
    @MrGino714 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks! I decided to do it and am confirmed for october. There is a LOT of administrative stuff though, starting with permit, getting the lottery lodge, etc. Or even transportation from Taoyun Airport to indigo hotel, etc. I will put more info and happy if someone can share their tips on the logistics!

  • @CaryMercer
    @CaryMercer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this video. I am planning to do this hike in June. I really appreciate all of your work.

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hope you enjoy it!

    • @CaryMercer
      @CaryMercer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AsiaHikelopedia Thank you! I shall. And thanks again for all the information on the permit.

  • @linjeff9051
    @linjeff9051 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, I'm Taiwanese Jeff, like to watch your films. Welcome to Taiwan!

  • @Sleepyhappygrumpy
    @Sleepyhappygrumpy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative! Thanks.

  • @taiwanbeauty5667
    @taiwanbeauty5667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The view on mountain is super beautiful

  • @徐昕妤-l7i
    @徐昕妤-l7i 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    謝謝分享;福容量大,平安喜樂,順心如意!

  • @DmitrySherstoboev
    @DmitrySherstoboev หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for the great guide! What month would you recommend to do this hike? We're thinking of doing it in summer.

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dec to March is winter so can be v. cold and icy (dangerous), but on a sunny winter's day it's amazing. Oct-Nov and April-May are good too as usually dry. Summer is also great as you can escape the heat, but there's the typhoon risk. In summary, any time of year is ok, but there's always a chance of bad weather and the possibility that you may have to cancel.

  • @jamesc571
    @jamesc571 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    1:28 the booking system was a reminisces of the martial law days(when they afraid of anti government or communist group hide in the mountains), when they got rid of the martial law, they found registration actually helps manage and control the number of visitors, and indirectly helps ecological management as well as emergency rescue, so they kept the system in some of the National Parks and mountains.

    • @sdqsdq6274
      @sdqsdq6274 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think there are already natives in the mountain hunting , i remember watching forrest galante search for the leopard , there are natives with guns in the forest, which they used to live in the mountain ?

  • @pergriffiths3870
    @pergriffiths3870 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you. Very informative

  • @aminnudinbinismail7569
    @aminnudinbinismail7569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Speedy recovery and I hope you are fine and strong now... take care sir 😁

  • @percussimo
    @percussimo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    天氣好風景也很棒, 可惜這次沒出動空拍機
    (如果帶上空拍機, 9:00 就不只呼吸變急促而已, 誇張一點可能導致高山症)
    17:44 希望成功的喜悅能沖淡又冷又累的厭世表情
    兩年前計畫的百岳拼圖正一塊一塊地找來 真棒 XD

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      我有帶空拍機但忘了帶手機所以沒辦法控制它!

  • @ceceplombok9405
    @ceceplombok9405 ปีที่แล้ว

    Come to Lombok .Mt Rinjani 3726m more hard than this Mount. But the beautiful scenery and Best seven summit in Indonesia

  • @BarrytheSuperScot
    @BarrytheSuperScot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! This is something I have not done yet, but have been wanting to do for years now. Thanks for all the information!
    0:52 I don't think tourists frequent Hsinchu train station though, lol.

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful! And yes, you're right about 0:52 Haha!

  • @Potomacstud
    @Potomacstud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy New Year 2022 , Richard

  • @王崴-s1r
    @王崴-s1r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    很棒、很詳細的登山分享,謝謝您~歡迎體驗臺灣-山巒的美

  • @seokguekeng928
    @seokguekeng928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Accompanied by daughter climbing adventurous strenous mountain. Is there jade stone at the jade mountain. Tiring climb to such high mountain. So many mountain.

  • @mattschm5486
    @mattschm5486 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can actually do the whole hike in one day we skipped the side peaks though. Started hiking 3am or so

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My daughter couldn't handle that. Too much for her

  • @DhaulaSu
    @DhaulaSu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello Richard, thank you for the video! Unfortunately our Yushan application got rejected :( Any recommendations of hikes where we could see Yushan? Or any other must do hikes in Alishan?

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's a shame. You could try Yushan front peak on a day hike. The process is the same and you won't get rejected as you don't need accommodation. Or you could try Mt. Data: www.taiwanhikes.com/blog-posts/hiking-mt-data-in-alishan-range.html

    • @DhaulaSu
      @DhaulaSu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AsiaHikelopedia thank you so much! :)

  • @台灣姍姍
    @台灣姍姍 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    我預約報名過幾次,終於有一年好不容易被抽中卻遇到颱風😭😭😭

  • @iammm66
    @iammm66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    排雲的黃金雲海 是奇景 上下方的雲都透著黃金色 流光飛舞 爬四次才看到 要碰運氣了

  • @Abby4859
    @Abby4859 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What time do you have to arrive at the lodge by? We don’t know what time to leave in the morning from Alishan for our hike. Also, if we don’t reserve a meal, would we be able to cook on our own camping stove instead? Thank you!!!

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is no time limit on arrival at Paiyun, but it's a good idea to arrive before dark. Also, if you arrive too early there's not much to do there. I usually aim to arrive a couple of hours before sunset. Yes. It's possible to cook your own food there.

  • @maverickjoseph192
    @maverickjoseph192 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, I'm planning to stay at Alishan as recommended may I ask if there's a taxi or bus from alishan to Tataka Visitor center? what is the best time to arrive and start to trek at tataka visitor center? Thank you.

  • @wenhohuang2286
    @wenhohuang2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    登玉山可以單攻不用住排雲山莊當天往返,請看「馮韋元 - 法國台客 登玉山」

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      我有單攻過雪山。但我女兒沒辦法。是她第一次爬高山。

  • @Alan-lb8ef
    @Alan-lb8ef 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What months did you go up? I got a slot in the start of March which is apparently still winter and apparently I may need crampons for potential ice/snow but now I'm wondering whether I should try and go up in April or May instead

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This was filmed late December. Whether you need crampons on Yushan depends on if your climb date coincides with a cold front. We were lucky as we had good weather and the ice and snow from the previous cold front had just melted when we went.

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Late April and May you may meet rainy season and get really shit wet weather. I prefer to climb in winter personally.

    • @Alan-lb8ef
      @Alan-lb8ef 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for your prompt reply! Maybe I'll take my chances then... I appreciated your equipment video as well since I'm pretty unprepared equipment wise.
      Only have hiking shoes, a polyester t-shirt, a jumper and a casual fleece so from your video it seems like I need to try and get a cheap protective layer, I saw there are 3 in 1 jackets you can get from decathlon that seem like good value for money? I'm just trying to be cheap since I'm not sure if I'll be using it that much/can take it with me when I go back. I'll probably try and get a cheap hat, scarf and gloves too.

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Decathlon stuff is pretty good for the price. I have lots of it

  • @paulcurr4815
    @paulcurr4815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another good hike mate, was that your missus with you. She did good😁😁😁

  • @Holytyphoon
    @Holytyphoon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Richard! Wonder if you may know if possible to get any certification for summiting the mountain, am actually on a quest to collect as much summit certification as possible across Asia 😆

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Dave. Check this link: www.ysnp.gov.tw/En/FAQ/E007000?ID=b573169b-745e-4c81-ab13-99fb1dd01eb4&PageIndex=1&PageType=1

  • @linjachu
    @linjachu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    哇,很強喔!!

  • @kw6050
    @kw6050 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi how would you compare the difficulty level of climbing Mt Jade vs Mt Kinabalu?

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's been 25 years since I climbed Kinabalu so I honestly don't remember too much but Yushan is pretty simple, so I'd say it's probably easier

  • @hirolovesme
    @hirolovesme 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos Thank you for introducing Taiwan 😄 as a Taiwanese there are a lot things I didn't know

  • @taiwandigitaldiplomacyasso5677
    @taiwandigitaldiplomacyasso5677 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do I book for staying overnight at Dongpu and food at Paiyun? What are the fees for food, sleeping bag and renting a bed?

  • @andrewmiles9652
    @andrewmiles9652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That looks amazing. I took my son and had rain and thick cloud all the way up. I will need to return. Did you do this in December/January?

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      First two times I went was the same. Third time lucky I guess!

  • @lucasdeo13
    @lucasdeo13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good video! I want to know how much was your budget

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends. The hut (you need to pay for Yushan hut) and food/sleeping bag rental cost around NT$1000 (US$35) per person. Food we took maybe US$10 per person per day. Then you need to add transport costs (for us maybe US$30 for gas) and pre-hike accommodation (there is a range). Hope that helps.

  • @TheSkskitey
    @TheSkskitey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great hike Richard but way out of my league . Good you took the wifey for company even though she looked pooped :-)

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's my daughter!

    • @scatto365
      @scatto365 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha

    • @TheSkskitey
      @TheSkskitey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AsiaHikelopedia My mistake but she was all covered up with a mask etc .

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSkskitey No problem!

  • @cernimesaescuer6647
    @cernimesaescuer6647 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool and helpful video. When did you hike it? How are the weather conditions, and snow around the end of March, beginning of April? Thank you

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Late December. Weather is very unpredictable. Could be sunny, foggy, rainy it changes so fast. But will be cold. Not much chance of snow in late March, early April. But never say never!

    • @cernimesaescuer6647
      @cernimesaescuer6647 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AsiaHikelopedia Alright! Thank you for your help!

  • @張宏甫
    @張宏甫 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    您來到原住民布農族的聖山,東谷沙飛!這是玉山的原名。

  • @林邦裕
    @林邦裕 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic

  • @pingmomo1
    @pingmomo1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    燃起我去爬玉山後五峯的動力!

  • @jcchalfin4700
    @jcchalfin4700 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I applied for permits to climb Jade midweek early (30 days before my hike) twice last fall and was rejected both times. I was on of the earliest applicants. I think the application system is based on a lottery, not on a first come first serve basis.

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. I should have clarified. It's only first come, first serve if the demand doesn't outstrip the available spaces.

  • @waynehu664
    @waynehu664 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought you are hiking with your wife at first. And latter I realized that your were hiking with your daughter. Ha! Ha!

  • @joykuo4406
    @joykuo4406 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    一個小小的問題,這個影片應該主要是給不是台灣人的外國人參考爬玉山的相關資料,如果影片名字加上玉山的英文名,會不會比較幫助搜尋呢? 除此之外,只能給這個影片一個讚了!

  • @ElsaPingPing_qiaolinglog
    @ElsaPingPing_qiaolinglog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, I'm fully watching. Good job. Keep in touch & remember to return thx. 👍

  • @willofdvlog
    @willofdvlog ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it safe? I wanna go there, but I’m worried of snakes

  • @AD-mb6kx
    @AD-mb6kx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    讚👍

  • @lgoopio
    @lgoopio 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is it required to get a local guide?

  • @tzechean
    @tzechean ปีที่แล้ว

    hi! want to know the bed space/room where to do the booking or just done it on spot? much appreciated !

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The URL for booking is in the description. Impossible to just show up. You won't be allowed onto the trail

    • @tzechean
      @tzechean ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AsiaHikelopedia oh so the permit that we apply for the hiking comes with the accommodation?

  • @soulbronumberone
    @soulbronumberone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Almost 3 times the height of Ben Nevis 😯

  • @BoonBoon15558
    @BoonBoon15558 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello..i am From Malaysia …i am going Travel Taiwan in month June..i would like climb Mountain Jade as well ..can i ask more Questions from you before i climb Mountain Jade?

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes you can! May I ask have you reserved a spot at the cabin?

    • @jaybeer5164
      @jaybeer5164 ปีที่แล้ว

      @boon boon are you done climbing?

    • @BoonBoon15558
      @BoonBoon15558 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaybeer5164 not yet🥲

  • @葛忠明-i1l
    @葛忠明-i1l 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    你真的很👍👍👍!

  • @taiwanallen3544
    @taiwanallen3544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    我前陣子去南澳的朝陽步道,有一個路段被封閉,因為虎頭蜂,我想到可能是你的虎頭蜂被叮咬事件。

  • @viewflyhsu6776
    @viewflyhsu6776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    我比較好奇的是
    像排雲山莊 以及 沿路的步道樓梯的建材
    當初是怎麼運送上山的~!??
    太神奇

    • @audioengineer2250
      @audioengineer2250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      用直昇機運送到最近的定點,再由原住民英雄慢慢背上去的。

    • @bradlin9104
      @bradlin9104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      我2015年從玉山下山路上,看到好幾位壯漢負重背物資上山,
      除了排雲山莊的食材,還看到好幾個背H型鋼柱等建材上山,超猛的

  • @tzechean
    @tzechean ปีที่แล้ว

    i see theres a another permit needed to apply, could you clarified this ? Name ”Application for entering restricted mountain areas“

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  ปีที่แล้ว

      The (Police permit) can be done with the click of a button in the application website (instructions are provided online). Even if you forget you can do it in 5 minutes at the police station next to the trailhead permit office on the day of your hike.

  • @張添智-l2x
    @張添智-l2x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You aleady come back Taiwan?

  • @蔡炳哥-p1o
    @蔡炳哥-p1o 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👏👍🙏💪

  • @BoonBoon15558
    @BoonBoon15558 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do i need a Tour Guide to Climb Mountain Jade?

  • @JM-gz1ej
    @JM-gz1ej 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Level of difficulty for this hike ?

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not difficult at all. There are a few rocky sections near the summit but there are chains.

  • @1973linyuwei
    @1973linyuwei 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    回台灣居住了?

  • @尤俊閔
    @尤俊閔 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    這次是跟女兒一起登山?
    沒找兒子嗎?

  • @張宏甫
    @張宏甫 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    不好意思,請問您的夫人是臺灣人嗎?

    • @AsiaHikelopedia
      @AsiaHikelopedia  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      是,但是跟我爬的人是我女兒!

    • @張宏甫
      @張宏甫 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AsiaHikelopedia 我明白,謝謝你們。

  • @AmitKrSarkar
    @AmitKrSarkar ปีที่แล้ว

    His opinion about this hike went from Easy>Challenging>Tough.