Reminds me a bit of a dynamic EQ... I don't see the big innovation there? There are already multiband spectral compressors (like the DSM-3 by Paul Frindle).
I quite enjoy what the Denise plug-ins do, but still can't get over how much CPU some of them like to eat up which really prohibits me from using them too often (which kinda sucks). How does this one compare if anyone knows to say.. the usage of Perfect Plate XL or God Mode?
This is one of the most useful plugins I have tried for 2 years. Simply put: You design your own compressor character and dynamic EQ. It's all about character. It's an EQ, compressor, saturator in once. I am sure you can recreate all the compressor styles that are on the market. But more extreme, if you want. I think I will stop buying vintage emulations now. It's obsolete.
Yeah...good, im used to use the Kotelknikov GE, and messing around with the FDR, a kind of sidechain which works so good and so so natural....gonna try this one...
Are you gonna dig into the plugin? It looks like a toolbox to make a tool (a compressor in this case), veeeeeeery interesting! I might give it a try. Thank you for this video! UPDATE : I bought it and it is really really really great, very subtle and accurate, it is really easy to shape the dynamics without making the track sound sound weird or non-musical. I am just starting to learn but it already offers some very nice solutions.
Looks to me like (before i finished watching the vid...) a compressor, the ratio is key. So the compressor ratio is doing all the EQ / mod / etc. changes in ratio above the threshold, but instead of amplitude in a normal compressor, you are allowing certain EQ balances to move through at certain levels, with the combined pull / attack release settings - allowing super fine tweaking of where and when saturation mods are applied. I may be wrong, but I definitely want to give it a play :-) So, set your amplitude threshold, then ratio, then the EQ changes are limited / compressed above / below that level... I think... SO you can maintain volume, but have increased saturation at certain points / bands above certain levels you determine...
You can implement most of the ideas from Dragon Fire by using an emphasis EQ and any compressor (see the great video on emphasis EQ by Dan Worrall), in Reaper you can link EQs before and after the compressor, and even play with the dry/wet knobs to apply EQ after compression
@@theopbmusic I suggest to visit the webpage, we made a lot of nice videos to explain how it works. This is a nice review at first sight without going deep, but actually as default the compressor is a multiband compressor, and when you push the frequencies, you are not actually equalizing, you are pushing them more into compression. Then when you pass to "single" mode, it really behaves as eq + comp + eq, but that's a secondary use
Maybe I got a little too excited with the NEW "thing". Watched full, watched other videos, been on the website... I just can't understand where this TONAL COMPRESSION should in any way be different from a multiband... FabFilter Pro-MB can do the same push pull thing... it's just a make up gain knob... ...actually you can even be more precise. COOL VIDEO THOU, keep giving us moooore juiiiicy plugs
Small hint, eq -> comp > eq is how "single band" works, when it's in multi mode, you're actually pushing those frequencies into a multiband compressor ;)
This is probably the second or third video I've watched that I want to watch in-depth. I don't know if it is the song, or the plugin.. or perhaps the review of the plugin also. But good work!
I got this a week ago and it's very good. If you watch the short tutorial on their site it explains each of the controls. For instance the curve changes it from a vca to opto
I am trying this right now - don't understand why Denise would put the RAND(om) button in the most prominent spot? I feel like it should be up by the SOLO in the menu bar (like the FLIP is in their PLATE) The feature I'm missing is the ability to ISOLATE frequencies from the PULL so I could cut things going into the compressor but not have them add back in. Like what if I want to cut some LMF and HF to make the compressor react differently but I only want to add the highs back in post-compression? Maybe the opposite too like the ability to set an EQ band only POST Compression? Not sure I like it enough to learn it fully and, TBH name is cringe/embarrassing but still checking it out.
I’ve been using dragon fire for the few weeks or whatever since its release and I love it! If nothing else, it’s a pretty fun and intuitive way to create unique flavors of compression ... always nice when something does exactly what it’s designed to do 😅
I would say it´s a nice plugin, but the marketing text makes more out of it than it is (how surprising). It looks and sounds more like a normal eq->comp->eq->clip chain combination. Melda has nice alternatives with the spectral/dynamics plugs (if you like spectral crossovers or adjustable threshold curves), ProAudioDSP DSM is a compressor with adjustable threshold curves (was using this a decade ago) and also the melda turbo comp allows you to design your own compressor (if you want to do that). ( i dont like meldas interfaces but they have nice ideas and sound quality). Then the "push and pull" graph sounds more like a fancy worded "transient shaper" to me. You can probably rebuild this whole plugin in any daw just by inserting eqs, comp, clipper and transient shaper in the right order :D
Seems to me like they reparametrized a dynamic EQ to make it seems different, then buried the whole thing under tons of marketing. Looks like it worked too !
i don't like that their plugins have such small windows. especially when a plugin has a fabfilter style eq i'd like to finely drag the points around. even pro-q i often use in fullscreen mode with the range turned all the way down to 3db on the y-achsis. so why would i want this plugin to be so small, right? also when it comes to the normal sliders, but there it's not so important because sensitive mode exists. apart from that this plugin looks super cool and i'm actually hyped even though i thought i don't need another compressor
Ok, I like this plugin, basically a MB comp but you boost (or makeup) rather than cut the frequencies you're trying to compress. also they've cut out all the excess features, like seeing the specific gain reduction of each cut or boost, and having specific attack/release settings for each. Also at first I thought it weird that you have no idea of how much your compressing the bands relative to the whole mix, but I actually see that as yet another unnecessary inclusion, because ultimately your trying to only do around 1-5 db of GR anyway. I just wonder if the amount of GR is proportional to the amount boosted or cut? so that it works out to be a perfect gain makeup. Also, would've been great if they'd opted to include various classic compressor profiles, as in FET, VCA and OPTO instead of opting for a drive knob. Personally I pick my compressor on it's sound rather than utility, and one of the reasons I rarely ever use MB comps is because they typically have a fairly clean or indeed one-track sound.
denise plugs are great i have them all there rooms are my go to now for rev b4 i move to another one , then i go back to turning it on lol , but you need to spend some time with them to figure them out .They have great deals on now and then , Thanks for the vid , good to know i am not the only one that needed to spend time with this plug in the get it to do what I was thinking it was doing , haha funny vid :) mayb Warren can put a vid up that makes more sense :)
LOL :o)! I made the same experience with that and didn't understand anything! But it sounds kind of... Like the "EQ" in ToneBoosters REEL 4, where you decide with the EQ, how much is going through the tape algorithm.
I'm a big fan of Denise's plug ins, even if Reaper gives me every possible spelling of their developer name in the FX-list window! It's gonna take me a few sessions to get my head around Dragon Fire. Their sub generator works wonders on things, just saying ;)
Attention span of a Gnat is a simile my father used. I have the Denise Perfect Plate rev The interface is quite similar, i find the controls uncooperative but the sound pretty good. This one you just demo'd Dragon Fire looks like a bit of a stretch. As i understand from your video I could (and do) put something like that together chaining a few plugs I already have. I/d be curious to try the push pull element maybe emulate that with a dynamic comp/eq or two in the chain. I wouldn't dive into Dragon Fire but i got me thinking. Thanks Whytse.
I find their interfaces fiddly. Turning such a small bar up or down means finding a sweet spot is agonisingly small movement on a mouse or track pad. To damn small.
@Cristo Fuentes😏 In general, you know: You can't please everyone. You don't have to and you can't either. No matter in which area. There were and there always will be people who don't like something. That's how it is. Therefore: Sponge over it 😅
TDR Nova and Compassion have tackled some of these ideas before. Compassion is really simply a blank slate from which the user builds compression schemas.
I wish you would RTFM before doing a review. Otherwise we are relying on your infinite and omniscient knowledge of audio-software. It only takes away from your very lovely and charismatic presentation.
Ik gebruik voor mijn externe 2,5" en 3,5 hd'tjes (die in een dock zitten) een pakje zakdoekjes, erg efficiënt, ik zat hier ook te sukkelen met die terugkoppeling. In het Engels, very annoying hehe. Who needs this, when you already have the LALA plugin lol.
I cannot believe I reeded all your 195 comments for nothing at least! I think I won't try dragon fire. hm.. even if it sound perfect exciting to have something like a dynamic EQ in a MB-Comp to tame disgusting frequencies but exite/saturate the resulting cleaned audio signal! A channelstrip with microfinetuning obtions consuming less CPU.. sounds like a swiss wondertool! 🤙🏽🤪 I use GodMode. it's precise effective and sounds great! Use Ozone9 MB-Exiter but it consumes a bit to much CPU. Has anyone experience with Sugar ? I mean the plugin of course ;-b
Might be cool, but what graphical frequency based plugin doesn't provide a frequency grid? Label your axes kids! And I get that there are so many controls here, you don't want to busy it up with labels. But if you're going to give us novel controls like Curve, RMS & Knee, shouldn't the UI give us a hint to what it means to turn it up? The website suggests that Curve turned down is fast release, up is slow. If you're not going to show that Time is the units or that up==slow, I somewhat doubt users will use it correctly. Labels would be nice. If not that, then how 'bout tool tips? First rule of UX, don't make me think!
I just got ahold of it too! Excited to try it! Watching your video for tips! Great video Wytse!
Warren!!! What’s up?? Hope you’re marvelously well. When are you Two doing a video together???? that would be AMAZING 🤩
Your so amazing warren always learning and showing people you are!! Such an inspiration for the TH-cam community.
@THE NEWER PATRIOT thanks ever so much
@J Here thanks! Wytse rules!
@@Jon415. yes! I hope so soon!
I'm sure you can scale the window in the lower right corner... ;-)
Reminds me a bit of a dynamic EQ... I don't see the big innovation there?
There are already multiband spectral compressors (like the DSM-3 by Paul Frindle).
I quite enjoy what the Denise plug-ins do, but still can't get over how much CPU some of them like to eat up which really prohibits me from using them too often (which kinda sucks). How does this one compare if anyone knows to say.. the usage of Perfect Plate XL or God Mode?
This is one of the most useful plugins I have tried for 2 years. Simply put: You design your own compressor character and dynamic EQ. It's all about character. It's an EQ, compressor, saturator in once. I am sure you can recreate all the compressor styles that are on the market. But more extreme, if you want. I think I will stop buying vintage emulations now. It's obsolete.
You kill me - a natural comedic - highly entertaining and informative 👍
Please review TBPro DSEQ !
Yeah...good, im used to use the Kotelknikov GE, and messing around with the FDR, a kind of sidechain which works so good and so so natural....gonna try this one...
Are you gonna dig into the plugin? It looks like a toolbox to make a tool (a compressor in this case), veeeeeeery interesting! I might give it a try. Thank you for this video!
UPDATE : I bought it and it is really really really great, very subtle and accurate, it is really easy to shape the dynamics without making the track sound sound weird or non-musical. I am just starting to learn but it already offers some very nice solutions.
I saw you became a patron of Analog Obsession-- does that mean we'll be getting some more AO reviews? :D
Wytse + Tunga... what a combo for my insonia
Looks to me like (before i finished watching the vid...) a compressor, the ratio is key. So the compressor ratio is doing all the EQ / mod / etc. changes in ratio above the threshold, but instead of amplitude in a normal compressor, you are allowing certain EQ balances to move through at certain levels, with the combined pull / attack release settings - allowing super fine tweaking of where and when saturation mods are applied. I may be wrong, but I definitely want to give it a play :-) So, set your amplitude threshold, then ratio, then the EQ changes are limited / compressed above / below that level... I think... SO you can maintain volume, but have increased saturation at certain points / bands above certain levels you determine...
Great analitic explanation!🎯
honestly one of the biggest reasons i come back to these videos is the anime arch that is your video production quality
You can implement most of the ideas from Dragon Fire by using an emphasis EQ and any compressor (see the great video on emphasis EQ by Dan Worrall), in Reaper you can link EQs before and after the compressor, and even play with the dry/wet knobs to apply EQ after compression
Not really ;)
@@nrec in what way is this plugin different ^^ ?
@@theopbmusic I suggest to visit the webpage, we made a lot of nice videos to explain how it works. This is a nice review at first sight without going deep, but actually as default the compressor is a multiband compressor, and when you push the frequencies, you are not actually equalizing, you are pushing them more into compression. Then when you pass to "single" mode, it really behaves as eq + comp + eq, but that's a secondary use
@@nrec Ok thanks, I saw the videos and first thought the plugin was essentially eq + full-band compression + eq, it seems it's more subtle than that
Maybe I got a little too excited with the NEW "thing".
Watched full, watched other videos, been on the website... I just can't understand where this TONAL COMPRESSION should in any way be different from a multiband...
FabFilter Pro-MB can do the same push pull thing... it's just a make up gain knob...
...actually you can even be more precise.
COOL VIDEO THOU, keep giving us moooore juiiiicy plugs
Small hint, eq -> comp > eq is how "single band" works, when it's in multi mode, you're actually pushing those frequencies into a multiband compressor ;)
4:11
In your moment of frenzied excitement you produced the clearest wisdom...a lot of producers and engineers and even bedroom amateurs forget this.
This is probably the second or third video I've watched that I want to watch in-depth. I don't know if it is the song, or the plugin.. or perhaps the review of the plugin also. But good work!
This looks like a compressor with a pre-EQ built into it.
What am I missing?
A compensation eq after the compressor too!
VST3 is resizeable, no issue with window size ;)
How's the cup usage using a few on multiple tracks?
The animal with a short attention span is a gold fish
I got this a week ago and it's very good. If you watch the short tutorial on their site it explains each of the controls. For instance the curve changes it from a vca to opto
You can resize the plugin
The shortest attention span belongs to a peculiar creature actually found all over the world. It is affectionately known as a TH-cam Viewer. 😂
@This Guy Good point ;)
@This Guy and it all started in my youth with the MTV viewer.
I was going to say goldfish but I think this is a pretty suitable response.
I'd give it a try. Looks useful on drums!
Get TDR Nova, it's free, it's bold, it's beautiful.
Seconded.
I am trying this right now - don't understand why Denise would put the RAND(om) button in the most prominent spot? I feel like it should be up by the SOLO in the menu bar (like the FLIP is in their PLATE) The feature I'm missing is the ability to ISOLATE frequencies from the PULL so I could cut things going into the compressor but not have them add back in. Like what if I want to cut some LMF and HF to make the compressor react differently but I only want to add the highs back in post-compression? Maybe the opposite too like the ability to set an EQ band only POST Compression? Not sure I like it enough to learn it fully and, TBH name is cringe/embarrassing but still checking it out.
I never react to videos but it is, a good song, It got a controlled energy to it. The plug did add a nice touch to it. Good video.
I dont know if its the mic or what, but in headphones the voice bothers alot (Usually, it didn't)
It’s because there’s more low end than usual and a few slight mic bumps
Is Dragon Oil something that could be considered as Snake Fire?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🎊
holy shit I'm so glad i'm not the only crazy person who plays the microphone guessing game constantly
I’ve been using dragon fire for the few weeks or whatever since its release and I love it! If nothing else, it’s a pretty fun and intuitive way to create unique flavors of compression ... always nice when something does exactly what it’s designed to do 😅
I have it and it can ad some nice vintage texture to your track
I would say it´s a nice plugin, but the marketing text makes more out of it than it is (how surprising). It looks and sounds more like a normal eq->comp->eq->clip chain combination. Melda has nice alternatives with the spectral/dynamics plugs (if you like spectral crossovers or adjustable threshold curves), ProAudioDSP DSM is a compressor with adjustable threshold curves (was using this a decade ago) and also the melda turbo comp allows you to design your own compressor (if you want to do that). ( i dont like meldas interfaces but they have nice ideas and sound quality). Then the "push and pull" graph sounds more like a fancy worded "transient shaper" to me. You can probably rebuild this whole plugin in any daw just by inserting eqs, comp, clipper and transient shaper in the right order :D
Seems to me like they reparametrized a dynamic EQ to make it seems different, then buried the whole thing under tons of marketing. Looks like it worked too !
i don't like that their plugins have such small windows. especially when a plugin has a fabfilter style eq i'd like to finely drag the points around. even pro-q i often use in fullscreen mode with the range turned all the way down to 3db on the y-achsis. so why would i want this plugin to be so small, right? also when it comes to the normal sliders, but there it's not so important because sensitive mode exists. apart from that this plugin looks super cool and i'm actually hyped even though i thought i don't need another compressor
Despite what dude says in the video, this plugin can be resized.
@@Brendan-Black thanks for informing me about that. i was actually wondering if i was missing something
Gold fish have the shortest attention span but SADLY humans have the shortest attention span....CONGRATS if you finished reading this entire comment.
Ok, I like this plugin, basically a MB comp but you boost (or makeup) rather than cut the frequencies you're trying to compress. also they've cut out all the excess features, like seeing the specific gain reduction of each cut or boost, and having specific attack/release settings for each. Also at first I thought it weird that you have no idea of how much your compressing the bands relative to the whole mix, but I actually see that as yet another unnecessary inclusion, because ultimately your trying to only do around 1-5 db of GR anyway. I just wonder if the amount of GR is proportional to the amount boosted or cut? so that it works out to be a perfect gain makeup. Also, would've been great if they'd opted to include various classic compressor profiles, as in FET, VCA and OPTO instead of opting for a drive knob. Personally I pick my compressor on it's sound rather than utility, and one of the reasons I rarely ever use MB comps is because they typically have a fairly clean or indeed one-track sound.
This was a really good video! Made me visit their TH-cam just to ask if this music is somewhere else available than on their video...
Did you have the sc switched in all the time? I think that screwed up the demo no?
denise plugs are great i have them all there rooms are my go to now for rev b4 i move to another one , then i go back to turning it on lol , but you need to spend some time with them to figure them out .They have great deals on now and then , Thanks for the vid , good to know i am not the only one that needed to spend time with this plug in the get it to do what I was thinking it was doing , haha funny vid :) mayb Warren can put a vid up that makes more sense :)
LOL :o)! I made the same experience with that and didn't understand anything!
But it sounds kind of... Like the "EQ" in ToneBoosters REEL 4, where you decide with the EQ, how much is going through the tape algorithm.
Gonna give it a try, awesome video as aways. Thanks!
4:00 little did Wytse know he was repeating the drummer’s name over and over.
Which Lewitt is that?
U can do this with the fabfilter pro c2 sidechain eq as well , to some extent as it has a bell filter as well
I'm a big fan of Denise's plug ins, even if Reaper gives me every possible spelling of their developer name in the FX-list window!
It's gonna take me a few sessions to get my head around Dragon Fire. Their sub generator works wonders on things, just saying ;)
EXACTY! EQ, comp, compensation, priests are a must! Pass til v2! More visualization for learning this one! You f'in rock crazyman
Hi, if you didn't make video from klevgrand stuf, i suggest you to do it... Start with freeamp, its free and strangely good(in my opinion)
I know it is off topic, but I LOVE your audio now that you are using the Lewitt mic! I mean, it was totally ok before. It's just better now.
Plz normalize dry/wet volume if possible, because wet is also louder and thus largely perceived as better
R u talking about new Nivea body lotion ?
If i do a backup via external drive at night i put a beenie or some cloth under the harddrive or else the vibrating desk makes me go crazy
My first reaction to the demo was “sounds like the Rosanna shuffle from Toto”. They’ve used a slick drummer for that Demo, mr. Percaro would approve.
That groove couldn't sound less like the Purdie shuffle even if it was Lars Ulrich attempting it.
That new mic sounds great.
What is the new mic? Intense but tasty
Attention span of a Gnat is a simile my father used. I have the Denise Perfect Plate rev The interface is quite similar, i find the controls uncooperative but the sound pretty good. This one you just demo'd Dragon Fire looks like a bit of a stretch. As i understand from your video I could (and do) put something like that together chaining a few plugs I already have. I/d be curious to try the push pull element maybe emulate that with a dynamic comp/eq or two in the chain. I wouldn't dive into Dragon Fire but i got me thinking. Thanks Whytse.
night and day difference with the mic :)
Kind of reminds how fabfilter reverb works, the way you can effect frequency bands
Is there an UNDO? 😅
The new voice audio it’s amazing
Reminds me a but of Wavesfactory Spectre except that’s saturation enhancement with an EQ instead of compression coloring.
I find their interfaces fiddly. Turning such a small bar up or down means finding a sweet spot is agonisingly small movement on a mouse or track pad. To damn small.
It's fully resizeable.
@@chrishillery If you need to resize in order to dial in fine grained changes...it's a bad design
Your new vocal audio sounds great.
I wonder what one plug-in he is using to make it sound so great??
@Cristo Fuentes😏 In general, you know: You can't please everyone. You don't have to and you can't either. No matter in which area. There were and there always will be people who don't like something. That's how it is. Therefore: Sponge over it 😅
A lil idea/suggestion: You can do plugin of the week and plugin of the month! Then plugin of the year! great content cheers
Helped me a lot with this plugin. But you don' need to lean into you mic. It sounds just fine.
I have the attention span of a soup spoon, my short-term memory isn't great, and I have the attention span of a soup spoon. 😳
I think I would abuse the random button for creativity. I was so lost when he was experimenting lol.
Interesting but not sure I would ever use it on a regular basis. It seems way too "fiddly" and time-consuming. Just my opinion.
Your mic has a lot of low end and low mid range that you should eq out
TDR Nova and Compassion have tackled some of these ideas before. Compassion is really simply a blank slate from which the user builds compression schemas.
Nice, reminds me of the MOTU Dynamic EQ.
Where are the screw holes?! We have to have screws and screw holes!!!
Did you just watch the instructions?
Sup man, u should review Accusonus ERA 5 Bundle
I love the music!! 😀
thhhhhanks! :)
@THE NEWER PATRIOT thaaaaaynks! Gonna be releasing it soon ;)
@@nrec hey great track! (and great plugin) Has it been released finally?
The drummer's name being "Kay" after all of those "OKs"... Was this planned ahead of time!?
Another great vid!
Why make it bigger? So you can see the damn thing! Some of us are almost blind.
Small UI is a good thing
@@Whiteseastudio You can resize the plugin in the bottom right corner
That's some proximity effect, right there.
You have gravitas, whether deserved, or not 😂👍
You should do a snake oil on the Scope Labs Periscope microphone.
I wish you would RTFM before doing a review. Otherwise we are relying on your infinite and omniscient knowledge of audio-software. It only takes away from your very lovely and charismatic presentation.
One time you will test on Sandstorm from Darude, and everybody will go crazy.
Great vid!
It looks interesting... I have a suggestion for your next snake oil video: re4orm fx by 2getheraudio
Ik gebruik voor mijn externe 2,5" en 3,5 hd'tjes (die in een dock zitten) een pakje zakdoekjes, erg efficiënt, ik zat hier ook te sukkelen met die terugkoppeling. In het Engels, very annoying hehe. Who needs this, when you already have the LALA plugin lol.
tried it.. didnt excite me
I have the ''punisher'' i believe if it denise that makes that one
When you spend all night for searching new plugin: 10:04
Some one shine the big DW light into a cloud. Dan Worrell explaining this plug÷in would be ace.
The reverse slow clap 😂😂😂
I cannot believe I reeded all your 195 comments for nothing at least! I think I won't try dragon fire. hm.. even if it sound perfect exciting to have something like a dynamic EQ in a MB-Comp to tame disgusting frequencies but exite/saturate the resulting cleaned audio signal!
A channelstrip with microfinetuning obtions consuming less CPU.. sounds like a swiss wondertool! 🤙🏽🤪
I use GodMode. it's precise effective and sounds great!
Use Ozone9 MB-Exiter but it consumes a bit to much CPU.
Has anyone experience with Sugar ? I mean the plugin of course ;-b
Dan Worall made a video where he builds a effect like this using Pro-Q and Pro-C if I remember correctly.
Hey, you got RX right? Try out the mouth de-click plugin please. :D
About Time...We neen more snake oil...or not
Fabfilter PRO-MB can pretty much do same 🤷🏻♂️
Might be cool, but what graphical frequency based plugin doesn't provide a frequency grid? Label your axes kids! And I get that there are so many controls here, you don't want to busy it up with labels. But if you're going to give us novel controls like Curve, RMS & Knee, shouldn't the UI give us a hint to what it means to turn it up? The website suggests that Curve turned down is fast release, up is slow. If you're not going to show that Time is the units or that up==slow, I somewhat doubt users will use it correctly. Labels would be nice. If not that, then how 'bout tool tips? First rule of UX, don't make me think!
Am I the only one getting an ad every two minutes?
+1 like for going beyond emulating a classic compressor
I would love to See It more extended, so you have two curves one for odd one for even harmonics. To realy get crazy
OT: And THERE I got it... Wytse... White Sea..... Duh!.. :)
Hey I have a long attention sp.. oooo0oh I just heard the ice cream van go by. brb