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  • @gryfandjane
    @gryfandjane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1155

    My only trip to the UK was back in 2000, and I stayed with a family in Blackpool. One day while out exploring, we noticed a then-new TVR Tuscan at a filling station, and immediately turned in for a closer look. Speaking with the driver, we learned that he was a tester for TVR. One thing led to another, and a couple of days later he led us on a factory tour. I’ll never forget it. We saw the entire manufacturing process and meet some of the staff… then they gave us each a nice pack of memorabilia to take home. That was one of the great highlights of the trip.

    • @oliverbyrne3209
      @oliverbyrne3209 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I lived next to the factory on Bristol avenue in bispham. It's just a couple of miles outside Blackpool.

    • @danbuckley6584
      @danbuckley6584 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      That's awesome my only experience with these was Gran Turismo... always thought they were amazing.

    • @goodfes
      @goodfes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      What a great memory. Sadly the original factory is long gone, went a few years ago in my TVR and it was a pile of bricks unfortunately which at the time was a bit of a shock. UK Top Gear with Clarkson, Hammond and May managed to get to it before it was torn down, in one of their episodes as well as the original Jensen Factory near Coventry, UK.

    • @gryfandjane
      @gryfandjane 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Just had a look on Google Maps, and you're right. Alas. On a related note, we also visited the former MG works, both being Midget owners. Same story... long gone, and replaced by a police HQ.

    • @Assasinnationtv
      @Assasinnationtv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That definitely sounds like an incredible day 💯💪

  • @trevorjlewis
    @trevorjlewis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +157

    I came to TVR in the early 90's before the Cerbera had finished being designed. I went straight into the development department and assisted with some of the body styling. Most of the front end was my work. Although the styling was borrowed largely from the Chimera front end, I designed the scoop that also incorporates the numberplate fixings, which also directed airflow up to the filter and top of the radiator. I blended in the indicator mountings to be part of the bodyshell layup rather than being a separate fixture as in the Chimera. I also designed the air intake system from the filter tray and filter cover mounted right on the front of the car and the scoop panel covering the steering rack and hiding the screen wash bottle. Was good days but a lot of stress. Peter Wheeler would constantly change things. Once the moulds were being made I became body shop foreman for the Cerbera fibre glass production line and set up and trained all new staff to produce all the GRP parts of the car. I was Foreman on that production line for 5 years. I left to start my own composites production company in 1999.

    • @murkeywaters
      @murkeywaters 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Great to read a bit of the back story and development, I remember being behind a Cerbera on the way to a race meeting, really beautiful car hooning through English country roads, I was in a Golf GTi and we were both moving pretty quick down twisty B roads, once a good straight opened up you could say he easily gapped me!!

    • @jasonmedcalf2707
      @jasonmedcalf2707 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      You did beautiful work.

    • @Whatisthisstupidfinghandle
      @Whatisthisstupidfinghandle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Very cool ! Hope you’ve had a successful business

    • @gkhobbs
      @gkhobbs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well, because of you, this is still my favourite car to this day. Thank you.

    • @maximan4363
      @maximan4363 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@murkeywaters The 205 1.9GTI was perfect for those twisty B roads - far better than the Golf GTI! OMG still one of the most fun cars I've every owned!!! Take the back seats out, they are useless anyway and put a rollbar in instead, but it was incredibly stable! The way you can throw the 205 round corners was mental, so quick but you had to learn the clutch or it was very easy to wheelspin. Not terrible in the wet, being fwd but it would understeer - so unforgiving but it got banned in France due to the number of fatal crashes!
      TVR's always make me smile! Driven the TVR Tuscan quite a few times and it was a blast! The Cerbera is a beautiful looking car!!
      I love how Jay totally know's what he's talking about - the Guy is incredible! The more I watch, the more he astounds me!
      The 1930 Duesenberg LeBaron Barrelside made me cry!!!

  • @UncleManuel
    @UncleManuel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +156

    "Can we open the boot?"
    Jay knows his stuff and adapts his terminology in front on an English car. Nice! 😁🤟

    • @5CGQ
      @5CGQ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah, but he did refer to the bonnet as the hood.

    • @x.x..x.x
      @x.x..x.x 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I do the same thing depending on the origin of the vehicle. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

    • @user-oe1mb9hu9i
      @user-oe1mb9hu9i 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think he just knows how to speak the English language correctly. It's called education.

  • @micahjared8082
    @micahjared8082 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    52yrs old , This was one of my top 5 faves in the first Grand Turismo. Would regonize this car 3 football fields away.

    • @leftmono1016
      @leftmono1016 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I’m only 51, but same.
      Went round my nephews house and saw them playing GT. Went directly to HMV and bought the PS and game.

    • @micahjared8082
      @micahjared8082 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@leftmono1016 nice. I got the first PS only to play GT. Saw someone else playing it ... Amazing to me today that the graphics are not great. But at the time they were lol. I still have my PS and booted it up a year back... nostalgia gotta love it. Point is the physics were and still ARE insane. Once I got over the graphics shock, I couldn't get over how realistic the driving simulation still is.

    • @rlfpotatoking9253
      @rlfpotatoking9253 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      i'm in my 20's and still play Gran Turismo 2 on PS1, the driving physics and simulation is still better than most racing games today excluding the latest Gran Turismo for obvious reasons.

    • @Freemouse159
      @Freemouse159 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@rlfpotatoking9253good lad.

  • @ChuckArvidson-mb8bu
    @ChuckArvidson-mb8bu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +314

    I'm 34 and I love this as a kid playing Gran Turismo.

    • @matthewrammig
      @matthewrammig 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      I am 34 and I still play Gran Turismo on PlayStation and my favorite car is the TVR.

    • @BigJonkulous
      @BigJonkulous 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Same!

    • @yippeethreeeight
      @yippeethreeeight 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I used to struggle driving the Speed 12, but it was still my favorite car in GT.

    • @GrandHuevotes
      @GrandHuevotes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      A bit older. Same. I remember this car in GT games. I remember it was a bit of a beast. Powerful and tail happy

    • @cj-fool-youtube
      @cj-fool-youtube 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Came here for this comment!

  • @maverick214
    @maverick214 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

    I lived in the UK from the late 1990s to the mid 2000s. While living there, a buddy took me for a drive in his TVR Cerbera 4.5. Holy sh#t - it was incredibly fast.

    • @realMaverickBuckley
      @realMaverickBuckley 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Same, 😂 I had a friend who was an engineer in Peterborough, he bought a Cerbera and told me it was 'around 375hp' ... BS!! That thing was ABSURDLY fast.
      Then he told me about the speed 12 with a Naturally Aspirated V12 and 1000hp.
      Weighing 1 ton.😮

    • @Grover91
      @Grover91 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@realMaverickBuckley Peter Wheeler used to test all models to personally see what they were like. He took one of the speed 12 prototypes home one night and came in the next day and said it was TOO terrifying and difficult to drive on the road so they canned it. It also had no ABS for traction control. There is one roadworthy 12 that exists and it recently came up for sale.

    • @kingcurry6594
      @kingcurry6594 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@realMaverickBuckley The Speed 12 was in maxcarcare in York being detailed for sale last year and I went to see it. Incredible. It was almost evil looking and the noise...........!
      It sold for over £600,000.

    • @kingcurry6594
      @kingcurry6594 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Grover91 "He took one of the speed 12 prototypes home one night"
      That's actually a myth. Peter couldn't get in the car.

  • @rodikaya5692
    @rodikaya5692 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    How can jay not comment on the interior ? It’s a work of art !

    • @AxLWake
      @AxLWake 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yes. It's so unique. I love everything about that car. One of my all time favorite. I guess I'll never drive one but I love it anyways.

    • @MichaelVLang
      @MichaelVLang 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That was like looking at a work of art. Quite shocking.

    • @kylekleman
      @kylekleman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was going to say the same thing! Interior, flat plane crank and bespoke engine are very surprising!

    • @freddysquirenaranjo4859
      @freddysquirenaranjo4859 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very cool 😎😎@@MichaelVLang

    • @trevorjlewis
      @trevorjlewis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      the dash was a one piece moulding from both screen pillars to the rear seats apart from the clocks binnacle which was separate. I remember making the mould trying to work out all the splits. I think it was like a 6 piece mould.

  • @oil3616
    @oil3616 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    I'm on my sixth TVR, a 2006 TVR Tuscan Convertible with the 4 litre Speedsix engine.They made approx 83 in 2005 and 2006 before the factory closed in 2006. Its a great car which I've had the good fortune of driving around Europe in. Many holiday trips down to Spain and Portugal but also used as my daily while working in Germany.
    No ABS, Airbags, Traction control etc. just fun driving. 😁

    • @SmasherDobson8443
      @SmasherDobson8443 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sick motor proper beast of a thing..

    • @Dingzyy
      @Dingzyy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I own a T350 🙂

  • @mattgill2074
    @mattgill2074 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +247

    One of my all time favourite TVRs. God I miss the 90s

    • @bigduphusaj162
      @bigduphusaj162 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      yeah im in Scotland i had the griffith 500 with tuscan race series diff and back suspension. Cerbera had the 4.5 then TVR themselves done the RR tune while i spent a few days at Blackpool. What a time man, the worlds went sceptic since 2005

    • @Terraceview
      @Terraceview 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I know right? When there were still exciting unique cars being made. I miss TVR.

  • @fantaflesdopke
    @fantaflesdopke 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +154

    Will never forget the TVR Tuscan in Swordfish, in that amazing "Chameleon Blue" paint 🙂Notoriously dangerous cars in the hands of everyday drivers. Works of art!!

    • @RioBow
      @RioBow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yes 100%

    • @hambo76
      @hambo76 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It would kill if you if you didn't respect it - I owned a Tuscan S in Chameleon Blue (Portland interior) for 6,000 miles and it was the best car I've owned in my life. It took all my money but definitely worth it!

    • @crawfordjason
      @crawfordjason 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes, that one in Swordfish and driving the Cerbera Speed 12 in Gran Turismo.

    • @bannjaxx
      @bannjaxx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I remember Top Gear out running a speed camera in a Tucsan S - I don't mean it was so fast the camera couldn't get a decent shot of it, the Tuscan S was so fast, the camera never even SAW it to take a photo!!
      th-cam.com/video/0lPb3CuU62s/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Pexing

    • @calchedz
      @calchedz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A real handful in the wet lanes 😊

  • @rossmacintosh5652
    @rossmacintosh5652 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Regarding driving a right-hand drive, Jay says it's not an issue & you can pick it up in a few minutes. Then the camera from the leading vehicle shows Jay driving out of his lane! Love it!

    • @redlion145
      @redlion145 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think he crosses center on purpose now, just because he can. It's almost an easter egg in his videos.

    • @CarsandCats
      @CarsandCats 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He always has blocker cars following him so no risk really. @@redlion145

    • @1970sthrowback
      @1970sthrowback 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@redlion145 i think its because his eyes are always almost closed

    • @answeris4217
      @answeris4217 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I saw that too. I remember when I first got a licence it was a hard thing to do just to stay close enough to the center line. When you live on the other side you need to adjust.
      For me it would be passing a car on a two lane highway.

    • @haroldmueler7399
      @haroldmueler7399 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      He does that all the time, even in the LHD cars.

  • @John_Conner222
    @John_Conner222 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    He is correct about the car in the playstation game Gran Tourismo. That's where I first learned about it in the 90s. It was the fastest car in the game IF you could control it which was next to impossible. So I spent a month, every day after school, fine tuning it (you could change gear ratios, transmission gears, and suspension, just like IRL). I finally got it to where I could manage it. It still spun the tires till 3rd gear and was still basically a difficult to control missile but it was finally doable. Took my saved game to every competition and blew them all out of the park. Loved the way it looked too. Surprised there isn't more info on the cars.

    • @AxLWake
      @AxLWake 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes. Since the Playstation days this is one of my all time favorite cars.

  • @deancrawford2577
    @deancrawford2577 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +160

    Reminds me of that old TopGear episode where the Tvr cerbera anhialated the 911 turbo, Lotus twin turbo, Dodge Viper, Aston Martin Vantage and the Caterham.
    We all had to look at each other and close our mouths
    😯😳 Astonishment was an understatement.

    • @waynester71
      @waynester71 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Clarkson- "Look at that TVR go!!"

    • @CX06
      @CX06 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      That particular Cerbera was fitted with a full Tuscan Challenge race engine!

    • @michaelharle722
      @michaelharle722 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Minor detail.

    • @throwback19841
      @throwback19841 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@michaelharle722 other manufacturers should have known better and cheated too lol
      I mean thats like rule number 4 of racing I think? Be lightest, be the most powerful, have the best driver, and also cheat.

    • @bigduphusaj162
      @bigduphusaj162 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      i bought mine off the back of that exact vid. It was a VHS of clarkson on Cars. I had a Griffith 500 too in yellow with the black rims. Still rapid by Todays standards. They would both waste my M3comp in a roll race.

  • @andrewnorris5415
    @andrewnorris5415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    Jay really is a nice bloke. I liked the guest today too, he listened a lot and answered very pertinently. He clearly has a love of these cars and we can see why.

  • @brandemanbrandt5579
    @brandemanbrandt5579 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Me, as a no car owning cyclist, can really appreciate this channel as well..loving the way it’s presented by Jay. It’s my favourite way to unwind after a busy day at work.😊

    • @oliverattwell8013
      @oliverattwell8013 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hope you’re not old enough to drive?..

  • @godchi1dvonsteuben770
    @godchi1dvonsteuben770 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    The TVR Cerbera was a maniac. I've seen one of those SMOKE an Aston Martin Vantage, which we all know was a freakin' animal itself. There's a Top Gear episode where they lined up the 8 fastest cars in the world, the Cerbera walked away from the entire pack...

    • @Stevesixty7
      @Stevesixty7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The Blackpool Rocket

    • @69bock69
      @69bock69 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea it had full race egine

    • @GillespieGaming
      @GillespieGaming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pretty sure that Cerbera on that line up wasn't stock, but still.

    • @freddysquirenaranjo4859
      @freddysquirenaranjo4859 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good PR at the time for TVR, not just that Clarkson and Wheeler were very good mates and both from Yorkshire @@GillespieGaming

    • @trevorjlewis
      @trevorjlewis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I personally laminated the bodyshell of that car. It was a carbonfibre/ glassfibre sandwich. It was about half the weight of the production shell. The floor pan was laid up as standard though. The engine was a full on 5 litre version of the AJP8 and was Tuscan race spec.

  • @nicholasevans4812
    @nicholasevans4812 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +168

    A TreVoR in the garage. One of Blackpool’s finest 👍

    • @bwofficial1776
      @bwofficial1776 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      You have to love TVR and its Britishness. Some bloke named Trevor went out to his shed and said "how hard can it be?"

    • @brianjames5685
      @brianjames5685 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Cup of tea, big old moustache, a day out with Trevor followed by a few pints of best. I live near where these were built, as we say up North them TVR's were proper wick

    • @kevinrose3602
      @kevinrose3602 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Absolutely beautiful car. Looks like a cross between a ford thunderbird (most recent gen) and a Porsche cayman 987

  • @glennturnbull8568
    @glennturnbull8568 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    I’ve been lucky enough to have owned two TVR’s. A Chimaera with a 4 litre (Rover/Buick based, but built by TVRPower, a TVR subsidiary) V8, and probably TVR’s best kept secret a last of the line 2005 Tamora with the 3.6 litre Speedsix engine. Fantastic handling car and very underrated even here in the UK, a genuine 350hp and only 1000kg.

  • @8iker
    @8iker 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    One of the most simply beautiful cars ever made. The way they sit on the road is gorgeous, the proportions are spot-on!

  • @roadwarrior144
    @roadwarrior144 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Fell in love with TVR since the film “Swordfish” with John Travolta! Badly need THAT Tuscan in my life!!!

    • @kingcurry6594
      @kingcurry6594 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That Swordfish Tuscan has been on my drive when its owner came to visit me. I went for a drive with it in my Chimaera and, even when it was 50m in front, I couldn't hear my own engine.

  • @stav2002
    @stav2002 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    I used to work for Al Melling, the guy that designed those engines. That V8 was his proudest creation.

    • @hambo76
      @hambo76 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      What an honour! I preferred the Speed 6 (I later owned a 4.5l Cerbera too), such a shame Wheeler screwed the reliability with cost cutting modifications but great that you can restore it to the original spec.

    • @mj897
      @mj897 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What happened with the tvr rival he had planned? Wildcat I think

    • @johnnyjohnson8928
      @johnnyjohnson8928 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@hambo76 cost cutting as in?

    • @hambo76
      @hambo76 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@johnnyjohnson8928 Peter Wheeler changed some of the Speed Six engine specs to cut costs and this affected its reliability significantly. They can be reverted back to the original Melling spec for a fee though.

    • @mathertom
      @mathertom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mj897 Melling was a snake oil salesman.

  • @danielhillier7417
    @danielhillier7417 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    31 year old Brit here. TVR has always been a favourite brand of mine, often known for shoddy build quality and questionable reliability. None of that has bothered me, the noise, the looks, the crazy speed and handling. That's why I love them. Sadly I haven't managed to afford to own and run one though.

    • @adrianshephard224
      @adrianshephard224 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      You either like it or not, you either get it or NOT. People that like them, love them till death. People that hate em, can't stand the look of them. It's a car for enthusiasts! If you aren't one, it's not a car for you! But I agree with you! Cerbera and Sagaris are my all time favorite!

    • @SethDaughters
      @SethDaughters 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      This one though, unless you live in a dry climate the whole chassis will rust out.

    • @daves4026
      @daves4026 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yep watch edd chinas wheeler dealer’s restoration the whole chassis needed changing. But. Beautiful looking car

    • @bigduphusaj162
      @bigduphusaj162 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@SethDaughtersit was easy to stop the rot. Theyd made the same mistake as Rover did on the SD1 and made whats like an inner fender that was supposed to let the wind get in and basically blow dry it. The fix was easy a few drill holes in the right places or you could fill the thing with marine expanding foam if you didnt care about the extra weight. Everyone at the time knew to fix the stuff TVR almost got right so practically any decent one you buy will have had all the usual mods done.

    • @limpet7r63
      @limpet7r63 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The main problem with the chassis is the really poor quality powder coating. Small bits of it flake off, then the exposed metal rusts. Then lifts the powder coating around it, which then rusts and so on.
      Much of the chassis is inaccessible (or invisible) with the body on, so the only way properly fix it is to lift the body, then carry out the appropriate repairs, and finish with modern, good quality powder coat.
      The first bits to go are usually the outriggers which are the tubes that run along behind, and support the sills of the bodyshell. These can be done by lifting the body slightly rather than completely removing it, but if you’re going that far, you might as well lift it and check / repair the whole thing.
      If it’s really far gone, you can actually buy complete replacement chassis, although they aren’t cheap.

  • @dog8nut
    @dog8nut 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    That is one NEAT car!! Hard to believe it is over 25 years old, looks like it is a 2024 model. And the color combination is perfect .

    • @TheGramophoneGirl
      @TheGramophoneGirl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They really did make some amazing colour combos. I used to live near one of their dealers in the 90s and regularly got to see the cars. The stuff of dreams.

    • @MoosicDude
      @MoosicDude 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you threw some modern alloys on it, it would absolutely look contemporary.

  • @magatsu82
    @magatsu82 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The design is just incredible, looks like a super villain car, love it

    • @Skumtomten1
      @Skumtomten1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It looks both elegant and mean, love the design. Reminds of the the secend gen vipers.

  • @K22MDL
    @K22MDL 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    Have to get a TVR Griffith into Jay's garage.

    • @troynov1965
      @troynov1965 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      YESSSSSSSS

    • @ChairmanMeow1
      @ChairmanMeow1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      reminds me of a hyundai tiburon body style

    • @chargeheadsuk
      @chargeheadsuk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I sold mine last year to fund my Tesla powered TVR Tasmin. Vlog on my channel

    • @troynov1965
      @troynov1965 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@chargeheadsuk NO thanks

    • @user-oo2tk6vc2u
      @user-oo2tk6vc2u 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@chargeheadsuk definitely gonna check that out!

  • @TinyMaths
    @TinyMaths 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I do remember seeing quite a few TVR's back in the early to mid 90's here in London; usually you heard them before you saw them. Loved that sound.

    • @GBURGE55
      @GBURGE55 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You still hear them before you see them!

  • @rideshareog
    @rideshareog 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My friend Eddie Tann had a blue TVR. We worked together at Highland Appliance in Dallas in the 80's. 230 roaches will fit in the TVR ashtray, he learned that from the Dallas Police.

  • @The_R-n-I_Guy
    @The_R-n-I_Guy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Wow, it looks and sounds amazing. And the fact that it doesn't have a bunch of unnecessary technology makes it that much better!

  • @kevins7093
    @kevins7093 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I've heard of TVR for decades now, I remember them from the old Top Gear (Clarkson/Hammond/May) era. Beautiful car and the sound is incredible, thanks for sharing!

  • @dcallan812
    @dcallan812 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    A guy has a TVR across the road from me it sounds beautiful when it starts, its has Reflex purple paint. Just a great car 2x👍

  • @jefffrancis8769
    @jefffrancis8769 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    At Jay Leno's Garage, you get the best of car talk. THANKS, will continue to watch up coming episodes.

  • @CarsandCats
    @CarsandCats 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yup, Gran Turismo is where I first heard this car and I thought, "This is the best sounding car in the world!" I've never seen one for real, but this video is a real treat!

  • @Dolby109
    @Dolby109 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    I've always loved TVR's since I was a kid! Glad some of the really radical ones are finally becoming legal to import to the US.

    • @bigduphusaj162
      @bigduphusaj162 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      they are all radical mate. Theres no such thing as slow or boring TVR. The brand is a pants on fire brand.

    • @Dolby109
      @Dolby109 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@bigduphusaj162 Well I mean styling wise the later ones are much more radical than the earlier ones I think.
      Also they are much faster.
      I have a friend with a Supercharged TVR TR6 I think... and it looks pretty good, and is quick but not anything crazy.

  • @kimkimkim8
    @kimkimkim8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    The TVR is my dream car. Ever since I saw one go pass our school coach on the motorway doing well over 100mph. That engine noise. ❤❤❤ 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

    • @RobsCars
      @RobsCars 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Get one before they're gone! 🇬🇧

  • @robertwright7937
    @robertwright7937 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My mate Lofty built the chassis for that car. He was the only one building them at the time. RIP Lofty mate, you were a hell of a welder.🙏

  • @Davey_bfg71
    @Davey_bfg71 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Watching from TVR’s home country here across the pond 😊🇬🇧 lived absolutely everything about this, beautiful looking machine, great sound and for me that paint job is stunning, car looked absolutely gorgeous in that colour 😊🇬🇧🇺🇸

  • @tvrduude
    @tvrduude 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Wonderful! I watched to make sure, but I have to correct Jay. (No blame as he sees hundreds if not thousands of cars.) But this TVR is the SECOND TVR he's driven, with my 1968 TVR Tuscan SE V8 being the first when I drove up to meet him around 2000 and he gave me a tour and I let him drive it. (A picture to prove it, but as the gent only mentioned "early TVRs like a Vixen, Jay is correct on that count, mine is not a Vixen)
    VERY HAPPY to see this and kudos.... I suspect I will try to add a later TVR to the stable to go with my current 6 of them I own now.

    • @tvrduude
      @tvrduude 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Actually surprised he got to drive a Cerbera before I did though!!

  • @waynester71
    @waynester71 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Ahhh TVR, I love my Trevor’s.. Owned 6 of them over the years.. 450 Chimeara, Wedge 350i, 2 x 400SE, a 420 SEAC, and a 450 SEAC… Both SEAC’s are rare cars.
    My 420 had a full Kevlar & some carbon fibre body.. It also had the 4.2L V8 rebuilt by TVR Power engine dept, built up to 5L, Cosworth pistons, carbon intake plenum.. Had around 300bhp. But it was the sound it made that got the hairs standing on end..
    Wish I still had either the 420 or 450 SEAC
    Great to see TVR on Jays channel

    • @yippeethreeeight
      @yippeethreeeight 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Wedges were very cool looking cars.

    • @waynester71
      @waynester71 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @yippeethreeeight They really are.. I just loved the 80s shape & pop up headlights 😁

  • @amberheathall2893
    @amberheathall2893 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I’m on my 2nd TVR cerbera 4.2. Stunning motor and thrill to drive. There’s not many good ones left about 350-400 cars only…. Good review 👍

  • @drew699
    @drew699 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Used to love seeing all the TVR boys dash down to Le Mans 24 hours. Crazy cars. I was/remain a Lotus owner who used to blast down to Le Mans too, but those Trevors were quick. I have driven a Chimera 4.0 & a Griffith 5.0, the latter was properly quick. Hope TVR make a come back.

  • @Ninja_Revenge
    @Ninja_Revenge 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    TVR did some sick cars 4 sure

    • @timgosling6189
      @timgosling6189 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Unfortunately one of the reasons they have gone bust was the cars having too many sick days.

    • @kofib3
      @kofib3 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Always had a soft spot for TVR especially as I had met the late Boss Peter Wheeler at the NEC motor show in 2004 who was a nice humble man on first impression . Sagaris still looks wild in my opinion and this Cerbera has aged well.

  • @tombrehony6277
    @tombrehony6277 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Jay is unbelievable. His interest and knowledge is unsurpassed. Thanks.

  • @clonmult
    @clonmult 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of my childhood highlights, being brought up in Blackpool was going past the Bristol Road factory on the way to school. Early to mid 80s, going past it every day, seeing the body shells of the wedges (350/390/420/450), and occasionally hearing them being given a blast down the lanes near where we lived. Good days, awesome cars. I'll always love them.

  • @TygonBC
    @TygonBC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Mark my words TVRs are going to become crazy valuable over time.

  • @davidanderson1639
    @davidanderson1639 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    As someone from the North of England, TVR have always held a certain fascination for me.
    One of my fellow students when I was at art college studying film design was the son of one of the guys who worked for TVR.
    He’d helped build the car that appeared in Gone in 60 Seconds.
    He had so many stories about TVR & how if you looked closely at some of the cars, you’d see little imperfections in the build; all of which added to that whole hand built feel of them.
    Fun Fact: in 2010 I was visiting LA from London & I was at Universal Studios, Hollywood. During my day there, I saw Jay Leno….but couldn’t get near him to say hello!!

  • @drmoss_ca
    @drmoss_ca 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    When I was junior at a north London hospital my boss used to take me on his domiciliary visits in his TVR 350i convertible. Looked forward to that all week!

  • @davekennedy6315
    @davekennedy6315 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    As a Brit just about to turn 50 TVR is my favourite car maker and the Cerbera my favourite model of all (but ALL 80s/90s TVRs are awesome!)

    • @RobsCars
      @RobsCars 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly that, all Wheeler cars were the best. Absolutely brutal, I am blessed that my Dad was an MD of a TVR dealership in Redhill Surrey in the 90s, and I would go up every weekend. I loved them so much I bought one about 2.5-3 years ago. I went big and got the daddy though! I highly recommend it. 👍🏻

    • @davekennedy6315
      @davekennedy6315 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @RobsCars that must have been an INCREDIBLE time and I am hugely jealous of you and your father! The 90s were the absolute peak of TVR so that HAD to have been an incredibly exciting time. My dream job (especially back in the 90s!) would be selling TVRs, though I'd say they sell themselves pretty well too. Instead i had to make do with magazine road tests and that legendary appearence on the Clarkson VHS showing the Cerbera annihilate all opposition in that very long drag race down a runway. Luckily I did see and hear these stunning cars on the road and it was always a memory creating time as they truly are THAT special! Each meeting burnt into my memory and that TVR howl is awe-inspiring. To have been round them constantly like you and your dad must have been amazing.
      The Cerbera is one of my ultimate dream cars that sit in my make believe, lottery winning, air conditioned dream car garage in my head haha! In fact there would also be a Griffith, Sagaris, 450SE, T350, Tuscan S etc but also a Lotus Carlton and McLaren F1 (its a very BIG expensive garage haha!)

  • @darrenhitchcox6345
    @darrenhitchcox6345 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I adore the Cerbera. I was at the London Motor Show in 1996 when they unveiled the Speed 12, Cerbera on steroids. They bolted 2 6 cylinders together and broke the dyno at 880bhp !!!

    • @JohnnyZenith
      @JohnnyZenith 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was there too.

    • @SpitfireFortyFour
      @SpitfireFortyFour 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It didn't break the dyno making 880bhp. It was way more than that.
      The dyno in question was rated for 1000bhp, the engine running on all 12 cylinders broke the dyno. So to give a rating for it's power they disabled one bank of cylinders and ran it on 6. One bank (with the drag of the other 6 not firing) produced 440bhp so they doubled that number so there were "official" figures tied to the car.

    • @darrenhitchcox6345
      @darrenhitchcox6345 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SpitfireFortyFour Wow, that was serious horsepower for the mid ninetees. The McLaren F1 was only 650ish. I clearly remember it broke the Dyno, but did not realise it was that level

    • @tbrasc0
      @tbrasc0 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I remember that... Peter Wheeler was on the stand too, chatting to whoever came along. Good Times.

  • @zogzoogler
    @zogzoogler 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Used to pass these everyday in the 90s on the School bus Harrogate Horseless Carriages, TVR dealership❤

  • @andymcgeechan8318
    @andymcgeechan8318 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Continuing that Blackpool connection, Sir William Lyons started his Swallow Sidecars (SS) business in Blackpool.
    He realised that he could speed up production by moving closer to his suppliers, in Coventry.
    Very soon he called one of his models a Jaguar and the rest, as they say, is history !

  • @1954shadow
    @1954shadow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Back in the early 60s, my dad was dabbling in foreign cars, Jag, Porsche, Fiat Abarth, I was along with him at a foreign car dealer and lot. The salesman pointed out a odd new car on the lot, one that had a sloopie front end, but, the back end looked like it had been chopped straight down at a 90 degree angle. The salesman said it was a, TVR. That image sticks with me today.

  • @Dave-hq8xg
    @Dave-hq8xg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great car, great review! Seemed like Jay was about to get his checkbook out he loved it so much. Can’t wait for these newer era TVR’s start to start showing up stateside.

  • @Lov3toPlay
    @Lov3toPlay 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Hey guys 40yo from UK... I loved those cars in my teens. Studying at the time in central London (2002-2006), I saw a lot of those beauties in Kensington and Knightsbridge area. There was one amazing Cerbera, i used to often see on the way from college. It had a chameleon paint - red, orange, and gold depending on the light with awesome sounding exhaust note!! Do you guys remember TVR Cerbera SPEED 12? One was sold in 2023 with Iconic Auctioneers (Lot 846) for just over 600K :)

    • @Apartment10LDN
      @Apartment10LDN 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah HR Owen in Kensington was selling them around then

  • @garymcaleer6112
    @garymcaleer6112 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Soft, graceful lines. Exquisite craftsmanship and materials. And the most beautiful sports interiors I've ever seen. Jay was right: well ahead of its time.

  • @Vincentofvega
    @Vincentofvega 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My brother in law bought a brand new 4.5 back in 1999, sadly he had lots of issues with it. However, to this day it remains one of my favourite cars, having been on a number of long drives in it , as a passenger. The looks are sublime, the interior too, is amazing but above all else; the noise, not much gets close. One of those cars where you grin when you see a tunnel approaching or yet another roundabout (we have lots in the UK) which gave you the chance to change down a few gears and floor it.
    Pulling out onto motorway slip roads and flying passed cars already travelling at considerable speed in the fast lane was wonderful.

  • @shidevil01
    @shidevil01 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Owned a Sagaris and own a T350T. Friends have owned Chimeras, Cerbs and Griffs. Cerbs are brutal with the 4.5. Love my T350T.

    • @RobsCars
      @RobsCars 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh yes they are! 👌🏻Mines been fettled by Joolz the Cerbera Guru, and well it's faster than factory with a full ACT Performance exhaust amongst other bits. Absolutely love it. Glad you're enjoying your T350T, a very underrated TVR. If anything with a few mods it's as quick as a Sag plus I think in the looks department it will outlast the Sag, even though they're wild beasts. 👍🏻

  • @V8AmericanMuscleCar
    @V8AmericanMuscleCar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    As a kid I really wanted one of these. I'm still that kid!

  • @bicyclist2
    @bicyclist2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I used to see TVR's in UK car magazines here in the US. I also love the Top Gear reviews of them. This one is very beautiful. Please have more TVR's on. Thank you.

  • @FYMASMD
    @FYMASMD 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the interior and the colors. Modern cars can have such boring colors. Quick and clean little ride.

  • @mrmoralman1
    @mrmoralman1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Heard a tvr years ago when i was a child.... Every time i see one on the road - i always lower my car window to hear it: amazing!

  • @MurderBong
    @MurderBong 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    19:22 I PAUSED RIGHT HERE TO GO DO SOMETHING, AND IT’S A BEAUTIFUL WHEEL AND GAUGE CLUSTER. 😮 WOW. 😊

  • @tonyj99999
    @tonyj99999 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I had two back in the day, including a very nice "Viper Blue" 4.5. I used to go to Le Mans every year with some mates. Loved that car....

  • @howardg186
    @howardg186 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jay says ‘boot’; english guy says ‘trunk space’. What a couple of gents 😀😀👍🏼👍🏼

  • @user-me6oy4er9r
    @user-me6oy4er9r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Almost ashamed to post this out of respect for the minds involved. I played Gran Tourismo 3 and my favorite car was this Cerbera. I could set it up to beat anything else! This is the car of my dreams! Thanks for doing a video on this Jay! You da man! The weight to horsepower ratio is over the top and ridonkulous!

  • @MattiusMaximus
    @MattiusMaximus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    TVR‘s in the UK are a bargain. They start at under $10k USD for projects, and $15k gets you a good one. I bought a Chimaera last year and it’s such an amazing amount of character for the money - cheap and easy to work on too

    • @Aidannnnnnnn
      @Aidannnnnnnn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Cerberas are fetching more than £30k for a good one now.

    • @limpet7r63
      @limpet7r63 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Chimaera prices have bottomed and are slowly creeping upwards as the supply of good cars becomes tighter, and the market realises that they have been undervalued for some time. you simply cannot buy noise or a driving experience like it for anything like the money elsewhere, and they are no more problematic or difficult to keep than any other 25+ year old car. They were produced in much greater numbers than any other TVR so it’s taken a bit longer. Griffiths and Cerberas and the later stuff such as the Sagaris and Tuscan are going up significantly year on year.

    • @johnnygeorgopoulos4072
      @johnnygeorgopoulos4072 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah that's the thing, you can pretty much pick any of the TVR's up for under 40k, these guys seem to be trying to jump on the JDM to US boom that hit, when Jay asked how much for one he said "70k"....no.... you can get that exact same 4.2 for 30k and just have to pay for shipping and duties, these guys know they're at the 25yr mark and are going to inflate the prices like crazy, just like nobody can buy a cheap Skyline, Silvia, Chaser, ECT anymore because the prices are skyrocketing (ok, the chasers are still under 40k, but they'd be 10k max in the States if not inflated)

    • @LCOF
      @LCOF 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just saw a few Sagaris' on Autotrader. I used to think they were the coolest looking car but seeing them now I can't help but think they look awful!

    • @niallrussell7184
      @niallrussell7184 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Surprised if there are that many left. I remember them being a bit of handful to even keep on the road.

  • @multicyon
    @multicyon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Love the Trevor for a long time, saw a Tuscan in Miami way back when, instantly wanted it

  • @GrandHuevotes
    @GrandHuevotes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That design is beautiful and iconic inside and out. And to think over 25 years ago. Way ahead of its time

  • @davidcoates9123
    @davidcoates9123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Another Brit here. Love a TVR and its hard to believe its 30 years old, you guys in the US missed out on a lot with these cars.

  • @gilliebrand
    @gilliebrand 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was lucky enough to drive one of these in the late 1990's and it was mental...messy pants fast. Nice to see one again...thanks for sharing 👍

  • @Armstrong0451
    @Armstrong0451 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I allways loved a yellow one.

    • @Pesmog
      @Pesmog 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They did a metallic yellow that looked great 👍

  • @CalvinHikes
    @CalvinHikes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Looks good sounds good. Sounds great!

  • @AquaticLogic
    @AquaticLogic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is giving me some mad Grand Turismo flashbacks! Love it.

  • @UPnDOWN
    @UPnDOWN 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I've got a Citroen SM and a TVR Cerbera next to me while I eat my lunch and watch this too. What are the odds?!
    Oh, there's a DS here too.

  • @redsmudgeYT
    @redsmudgeYT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I’ll get a Cerbera one day. Told myself that in 96 and I’m not letting go. One day.

    • @paulreilly3904
      @paulreilly3904 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good for you for hanging on to your dream.. I hope you get one.

  • @SgtSteel1
    @SgtSteel1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My favourite car of all time. The paintwork is special as well, it's different colour depending on what angle you look at it.

  • @ben_jam
    @ben_jam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TVR's are some of the most bonkers and beautiful cars ever made, and fast, very fast !! I think Jay liked this one

  • @MrChrisayre
    @MrChrisayre 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    love all the cars out of Blackpool, the upkeep would be a privilege

  • @LanceCorporal_Waffles
    @LanceCorporal_Waffles 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Dang. That car is a beauty!
    17:19 $70,000?! That’s a lot less than I thought. I wish I could because I TOTALLY would.

    • @Dingzyy
      @Dingzyy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Much cheaper here in the UK. I owned one in 2006, paid 15k for it.

    • @skillbopster
      @skillbopster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They go for about £35k for a good one here in the u.k.

    • @LanceCorporal_Waffles
      @LanceCorporal_Waffles 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@skillbopster I imagine the maintenance is not cheap. I still want one, though. Lol

  • @xtianeskay5166
    @xtianeskay5166 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love to learn about automobile history with Jay as a passionate car guy. I remember TVR Cerbera and Griffith from an older Gran Tourismo Game.

  • @stevenikitas8170
    @stevenikitas8170 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember the TVR from when I was a kid in the 1960s. In Summer 2023 I saw one of those originals parked in a small tourist town in Massachusetts. It was a great blast from the past because TVRs always were rare.

  • @rickdeloub983
    @rickdeloub983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I got to get to one at the Brisbane international motor show the speed 12 was there to dream car I was only a apprentice at the time .

  • @Gamefreak8112
    @Gamefreak8112 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A Jay's Garage day is always a good day

  • @jstdrv
    @jstdrv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I drove my friends 4.5 red rose some years ago. Mental quick! The engine has so low inertia that it picks up speed like a motorcycle engine.
    I have a TVR Griffith 5 liter (rover based v8) from the 90s. That's a 2250lb car. Same running gear as this basically. Brutal!

  • @SistersForever-es4hc
    @SistersForever-es4hc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Could always tell a TVR was around before you even saw it. The Griffith was my favourite.

  • @Dr.Kananga
    @Dr.Kananga 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Leno looks fit and healthy. Good for him.

  • @helfmeyerglenn491
    @helfmeyerglenn491 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love the look of the Sagaris... craaazy cool car !!!!

  • @chrisherbert7637
    @chrisherbert7637 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So glad to see my favourite car come to America. I took a tour of the TVR factory in 1997 and saw the Cerbera being built. All done by hand - chassis, engine, carpets and the final sanding of the body. I even saw Peter Wheeler stalking by at one point…amazing place to visit.

  • @maggs131
    @maggs131 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Only dealings i had with TVR was in the days of gran turismo 1&2. Was my favorite car to race

  • @Boatfisherz1
    @Boatfisherz1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The British Viper.

  • @kallekas8551
    @kallekas8551 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I loved that in Gran Turismo!!!

    • @constructionbootgazer
      @constructionbootgazer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The speed12 is crazy. But this one is the realistic version to own. Test Drive 4 back on windows95.

  • @metricdeep8856
    @metricdeep8856 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great gig Jay has going. Thanks for being awesome Jay.

  • @cw7422
    @cw7422 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TVRs are awesome. When I was 8n the Navy a friend of mine bought one in 1974 and was able to bring it back to the US.

  • @Tysto
    @Tysto 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good lord. What a gorgeous piece of machinery.

  • @AlisyaBurke
    @AlisyaBurke 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Genuine nature makes your channel a pleasure to follow. Well done.

  • @juliatruchsess1019
    @juliatruchsess1019 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the saddest days of my life was the day I sold my 1974 TVR 2500M. Loved that car, put a lot of time and money into it, and took it to the annual "Woodwork" TVR festival a time or two. Last April while vacationing in Tuscany, I ran across a beautiful late model TVR Tuscan!

  • @Mike-rk8px
    @Mike-rk8px 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A perfect sounding engine and exhaust! Absolutely brilliant!

  • @piotrnaliwajko9834
    @piotrnaliwajko9834 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    TVR is the best brand to come out of Britain! So happy to see this car on this channel!

    • @GBURGE55
      @GBURGE55 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lotus, McLaren & Aston Martin?

  • @meierb75
    @meierb75 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Awesome! I have been into TVRs for about 25 years. I was tempted to buy one last week. This is high on my bucket list. Thanks to this episode, it will be harder to reach. Thanks again Jay for making the little known and attainable to pricy and desired.

  • @howardg186
    @howardg186 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So good to see a TVR on here ❤❤❤

  • @xXxL3W15xXx
    @xXxL3W15xXx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic to see a TVR on the show! Owned a Cerbera and 3 other TVR's over the years.