Anomander Rake: A Defence? (Spoilers for Gardens of the Moon)
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- This is a short discussion of why I like Anomander Rake, and is a partial response to Ruthan Badd's Video 'Anomander Rake is Overrated'.
This is only looking at Rake in Gardens of the Moon NOT the rest of the Malazan Book of the Fallen, or the Kharkanas books, so there are spoilers for Gardens of the Moon only.
Ruthan Badd's Video: • Anomander Rake is over...
(You should watch this, it is a great analysis)
You are so right about the way that we understand what we read! Specifically related to Gardens of the Moon, four years ago, in the period between Christmas and New Year, I brought my books with me to the office to read during the dead moment when a colleague from a different are of the office went by and recognized it. I think I might have been reading Memories of Ice by then. He told me that he only read Gardens of the Moon and past of Deadhouse Gates, but he alwasy wanted to complete the series. Then he told be about a scene in Gardens of the Moon that he found hilarious. Namely when Kalam and Quick Ben attempt to make contact with teh Assassins Guild in Darujhistan and they end up being attacked by the Tiste Andii and Rake is among them. Quick summons an Imperial demon, Pearl, and the demon asks Quick Ben if he feels sorry for the fate awaiting him, and Quick responds yes. That scene broke my heart, yet this man found it funny.
I suppose what he meant was that it emphasized Anomander's power and suddenly Rake seemed so cool, so larger than life, and it was awesome to witness a character so powerful. But that scene and that dialogue... I guess we really do see the world in different colours. And I would add that this scene is one of the countless emotional scenes that people don't stop to talk about because they are overpowered by larger events that happen to characters we know and care about more. My heart broke the first time I read it.
"Do you pity me, Ben Adaephon Delat?"
=(
Dragnipur awaits...
I have watched both videos and, in the past, my own take on Rake has been fairly similar to Ruthan’s. However, watching AP’s video reminded me of my impressions of Rake on my first reading of the series. You are dead on, AP, and it made me realize that any negative feelings I have toward Rake have nothing to do with the way he is written and everything to do with my very first forays online in search of other Malazan fans (back in 2013). Conversation seemed to focus primarily on ‘cool’ characters like Rake and the online version of Rake was unrecognizable to me. I found myself instinctively pushing back at this characterization and, over time, that response colored the way I thought about him. Thanks for bringing me back to all the reasons Rake truly is a great character. It’s almost time for another re-read and I look forward to enjoying a renewed appreciation for this character.
I love returning to characters to re-evaluate them. Something that we love can suddenly become the darling of the masses and we feel a bit of loss because we no longer have that exclusivity. But when we re-evaluate it, then sometimes we find that love again.
Oh, and characters like Anomander make the most sense if you ask me, precisely because they reinforce the presumption that this world has existed long before the plot and the heroes who drive the story, and that there are bound to be characters who have taken the hero's journey and grown up to be powerful a long time ago.
Thanks Claudia, and it is one of those things that makes the world seem that much more believable and real. So many characters are at different stages in their journeys, so it gives us a great variety of power, approach, points of view, and creates a sense of complexity in the world.
150 pages into memories of ice. Rake and Icarium are so far my favorite from the ascendants.
Harry starts as someone who knows nothing about magic and by the end he knows and can use one spell which is expelliarmus
Excellent apology for a beloved character! In addition to your compelling arguments, I’d like to add one small point. Rake is not a god, but many treat him as one. He insists, however, that he’s not a god and expresses that he does not wish to be worshipped. Most ancient beings with that much power would, I suppose, just take the adoration and manipulate their followers. Very enjoyable video!
It is one of the reasons that I love the contrast that Erikson sets up between Rake and Raest. They are opposite sides of the same coin. Both massively powerful, magically and physically. Both singular leaders, but one is a servant of his people, the other a tyrant to the people. Both have faced off against armies and neither 'won'. But neither of them are heads of democratic institutions :)
@@ACriticalDragon As you say, a study in contrasts - another great point!
Erikson mentioned in an interview (on Books with Brittany), that while writing the series he noticed that Anomander Rake had such a large following in the fanbase, and as a result he gave him more spotlight and involvement in the series. He would still have had a role, but not necessarily to the same extent. I certainly am grateful for every drop of detail we were given about him because he's simply epic. I would love a Rake backstory series - but I also know his impact in no small part arises from the mysteriousness of his character. I loved this video - thank you!
You are very welcome, thanks for watching and the lovely comment.
There's so much about Rake I absolutely love, and I do think he's one of the best characters in GotM and even all of the Malazan books.
He has very unique and multi-layered role within the narrative of Gardens. He's neither the antagonist or the protagonist, yet gets introduced as close to the first and ends close to the second. He is a power, a plot element, that causes in large part the circumstances the Malazans find themselves in at the beginning - and he is the power that _allows_ the Malazans to choose their actions at the end. He has songs and legends told about him, seems larger than life - yet incredibly down to earth in person.
He _is_ the unbelievable badass - swordmaster (and master of a legendary Sword in its own right), über-mage, dragon shapeshifter, divine, Lord of a whole race.
And he _is_ a tragic and poignant character who has ideals, flaws, hope and hopelessness.
All of it is true, and yet none of it _defines_ him as a character. Wherever you scratch, ever more comes to the surface.
Hi Rob, I completely agree. He is a fascinating character, and plays an enormous role in the book and in the series.
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Forgot to mention, I completely agree that his restraint is one of his most appealing and interesting traits.
I do believe however that it is more than simple respect for life that guides Rake there.
He is very far from pacifist, after all. He is a warrior, a warlord type leader, and his draconic nature (probably even his Tiste nature) makes him a predator at heart.
Most if not all of his decisions are well thought out, tactical even.
One factor here is that he does respect life's potential, and the lust for life as exhibited by other species. This is part of what he strives to find for his own people after all.
He can not snuff that out willy nilly and ever expect to reach that goal.
Respect for life? Yes, but with that little asterisk denoting his alien mindset, like you said.
The second factor is the notion that power attracts power. This is a very real thing in the Malazan world, and a strategic fact that Rake is very well aware of and experienced with.
Whenever Rake unveils his full power, more trouble will soon arrive. For him, for his people and for whatever environs he currently is.
Part of his restraint is thus imposed upon him, and has been for millennia.
To me this translates directly to taking on a mantle of humility in social settings - he could have approached Baruk from a position of power, but this would only result in a reaction based on power. Just as his aura is so strong it has direct consequences for his surroundings, so has his attitude and his mood.
Listening to the respect at the beginning. Couldn't help but imagine Duiker and Heboric corresponding in not so diplomatic terms but with the same amount of respect
Also we really need a close up of those bookshelves at some point. Really curious
Thanks for the comparison, although I am not sure which of the two you think that I could be.
I hope that you are enjoying the videos.
I loved how while we were down in the trenches with normal characters, Anomander came in with such a sense of awe. The terrible power of the sword, the mind boggling age and history of his species, the incredible flying city, turning into a dragon, his mere presence, all blew me away.
A random thought concerning the typical "Chosen One" archetype that you mentioned i.e. Rand al Thor, or some Luke Skywalker type. That is, a John Doe evolving into the BadAss. Curiously this does not happen to Frodo. I love fantasy and Steven Erickson is a bloody genius, yet Tolkien is just something more, something more transcendent. I think this is reflected in Frodo's character arc. Frodo does not have dormant talents nor unique genetics; the hobbit does not ultimately gain super powers. In fact he almost fails his quest by his inability to relinquish the Ring. What is truly transcendent is that Frodo is able to maintain integrity throughout the whole ordeal. By just being himself.
Anyway, Rake is my current crush, Icarium a close second. Having a lifespan of 20 to 200 thousand years must carry a lot of psychological baggage 🧳. Must have to do with being 7 feet tall. :) Hmmmm, as I think on it, Tolkien's Elves are a snorefest in comparison. Balrogs are cool, though.
An explanation of this is that LotR prefigures the consolidation of the genre, but probably more convincingly is that Tolkien characterises Frodo as the young gentlemen going off to war with Sam his working class batman. In fact Frodo does fail his quest as he gives in at the last moment, and the quest itself only succeeds because of Gollum. So many people talk about the quest narrative as being Tolkienesque without acknowledging that Tolkien deliberately has the heroes 'fail'. It is one of the reasons why I argue that D&D has more to do with the modern quest structure than LotR.
Thank you very much for the shoutout in such a fantastic video! I agree with most of the points you raised and thoroughly enjoyed the image of Schwarzenegger as Rake, slaughtering Malazan mages Commando style. I would love to know what your perspective is about the overarching point I made in my video - that in a series like Malazan, which excels in making the mortals look just as larger-than-life as the gods themselves, Deus Ex Rake should not be our template for what a great Malazan character is. He's excellently written, but is he really reflective of what makes Erikson's characterization so memorable?
Your frame of reference in the fantasy genre is far wider than mine, so I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this. Also, congratulations on 500 subscribers in such a short span of time! This channel is gonna get big.
I mean, in a way, Rake in GoTM is Erikson honing the blade to carve Tavore for the long run( you know, not giving him any PoV in that book, showing him via legend or hearsay or through someone else's eyes).
Same narrative strategy, dramatically different characters.
Hi Ruthan Badd. I loved your video, and I loved the way that there are so many different views of Rake, even within this comments section. Some see his humour, others see him as dour and serious. Some read him as tragic, some read him as a warrior badass. The reason I posted this was that your video made me realise that some people view Rake as the úber powerful warrior mage badass, and it didn't gel with my vision of him as this poignantly tragic figure.
I think there are two points here. One, Erikson's work has so many great but radically different and diverse characters than no one of them should be, nor could be, a template or example of a Malazan character. The characters run the gamut from the absurd like Iskaral Pust, all the way through mysterious and enigmatic, like Quick Ben, to characters that cut your heart out like Hetan and Beak.
Second point, in some respects Rake is a perfect example of a Malazan character... he is a mortal that beats the gods at their own game. Readers perceive him radically differently (I see him as tragic and poignant, others see him as a badass). He does the best he can, adhering to his principles, to best serve others and protect those he is responsible for/loves.
So, in a way, given that we project so much onto him and interpret him in so many different ways, that reflects much of what happens in the books and how readers respond to them.
Some of us love the humour, or the human characters or the military aspects, or the cool magic, or the awesome battles, or the great dialogues, or the detailed and rich language, or the authentic and real feeling worldbuilding. With a series so flexible, that appeals across multiple facets, we can see why Rake is both a perfect example of Malazan character, and one of the least persuasive Malazan characters... all depending on point of view and what we take from the books.
Niflrog, that is a great point about the technique that Erikson uses with a few characters to engender mystery and encourage speculation.
He allows space for the reader to create additional meaning and characterisation, but always gives us hints and information in the text to guide and suggest interpretation.
I really enjoyed both of your analyses and want to weigh in on Rake and his role in the series. He's the hero at the end of the hero's journey, as AP points out. Erikson sets him up as the character who is most capable of shaping the plot of Gardens of the Moon (he's the Lord of Moon's Spawn, the Mane of Chaos, the Son of Darkness, etc.), and then he undermines those expectations at the end of the novel. Another way to interpret Rake's character is as a criticism of the Great Man Theory put forth by Thomas Carlyle and some of his contemporaries. Erikson's treatment of Rake forces us to question the idea that history can largely be explained by the impact of great men, or heroes, who, due to their extraordinary qualities, have a decisive impact on the world around them, and it reinforces some of the other postmodern critiques throughout the series.
Andy Smith made a great video about this if anybody is interested: th-cam.com/video/EkliHO1olto/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for this video. As a Malazan newbie, I appreciate you containing the spoilers to Gardens. :) I enjoy Anomander as a character a lot. I look forward to seeing where he goes in the rest of the series. I've only read 2.5 books so far but I'm noticing (maybe) a class of characters that Erikson does well. I don't know what to call this category yet. It currently includes Anomander, Coltaine, and (probably) Caladan Brood. They're characters that give the world, as you said, a lot of flavor but they're not the main characters we focus on (at least not that I've seen so far). Would love to see this style of video about Coltaine and Brood if you find it interesting. Thanks!
I am very glad that you enjoyed the video.
I am on my first reread of the series in over a decade, so it is fairly easy to limit video content to the book in front of me because I only have the vaguest of memories of the rest of the series.
You also hit the nail on the head identifying a certain style for some characters. It is a great observation and once I have finished my reread I think that it might make a good video.
Thanks for watching.
While watching this video it comes to my mind one scene (SPOILER) where Anomander falls into his knees, weak, fragile, overwhelmed by Dragnipur. It just broke my heart to see him, from all characters, in such a position. The most human side of him coming out, not his awsome coolness as he keeps at bay an entire army, it makes you think about how many time he must have felt that way, about many things: his people, Dragnipur, Mother Dark. And that every time he pushed that feeling away, and kept going on. For the first time it felt like a truly realization that he was no god above human feelings. I couldn’t keep myself from crying
That is a great point, and one of the things that illustrates the empathy and compassion that run throughout the books. Challenging us as readers to see beyond the powerful exteriors and actions of characters to see their internal lives and 'humanity'.
Amazing review. He’s the tragic dark hero that knowingly makes choices to affect the pathway he thinks is right. Caladan is his check and balance.
The worst this the authors did was bring him back as that one armed idiot. 😢
I love these deep dives into one particular concept. 💎💎💎
I am glad that you enjoyed it. I will periodically be returning to certain characters as the series read with Philip Chase progresses to map character changes and development, so I will be returning to Rake down the line.
I think this idea of carrying burdens is completely key to Rake. I don't think its just about the sword though. I think its that its central to his character from birth that he is going to to be this tragic figure. He's born to be the son of darkness. He was born to power beyond his peers and responsibility for his race future in the story and for events as we find out what happened. Almost fated to be driven from his peers, his brothers. Born of a nature to take on all these responsibilities on himself, but aware enough to question the point of it all for his peoples future. I think his relationship with Brood and their similarities with the burdens they carry, highlights a lot about his certain aspects of his character. Also as I spoke to before his title; Son of Darkness. Titles carry a huge amount of relevance in the story, in what they fortell, what they provide and how they limit. As 'The Son' he's put into a weird position. In many ways its a title that coincides with the role he carries as you have spoken about of trying to find a future for his people. As much as he is some ancient being from some ancient species, they are in an important time of transition. They are trying to find purpose, a home, a future. I think with that image of the 'Son', well he's not the father, that next generation doesn't exist, but the potentiality of it in the future is there. Him and/or his people, whether individually of each other or reflectively of each other are at a point, where the future is not clear. As 'The Son' he's torn between carrying that legacy of his people forward or finding a new path for them forward. A challenge every generation has to face but compounded by the time between generations in their race and the escalating significance this has when having to deal with the growingly powerful younger races.
That is a great point, and I think that responsibility and the fact that leading is a burden to Rake is a huge part of his character and sets him as a great contrast to Raest in GotM. Once Erikson finishes the Kharkanas trilogy I hope to do a longer analysis of Rake tracing him through the whole series.
Anomander is a DMPC from a previous campaign.
I honestly agree with both of you - I think Rake is immaculately written, and also kinda over-rated. The disconnect comes from RB's arugment being more of a meta-fanbase argument, essentially that the sole focus on Rake is a bit odd given the rest of the characters in the series, many of which we get to know much better. But I don't think he claims that Rake is somehow badly done.
Hi Zan, Ruthan made great arguments in his analysis of Rake and he was at pains to point out that he was not badly written, and for those that think Rake as a badass is the best example of Malazan character and characterisation I would whole heartedly agree that a position like that overlooks some of the most compelling aspects of the series.
But one aspect that is rarely discussed is that Rake is among one of the most tragic figures and that was part of what I wanted to get across in the video.. poorly it seems.
I loved how you unpacked Anomander Rake's motivations and character! Anomander Rake was definitely not what I thought he'd be, and now I'm more curious about his backstory. We created a dialogue test for my friend, Allen, with the Rake quote: "Is an honorable cause worth anything these days? Does it matter that we've borrowed it? We fight as well as any man. We die alongside them. Mercenaries of the spirit. And even that is a coin we scarcely value. Why? It doesn't matter why. But we never betray our allies."
If you just have an emo character in mind (not that I have anything against emo characters), you might not suspect him to say something like that.
Hi Johanna, I am waiting for Erikson to finish the Kharkanas trilogy before doing a deep dive into characters like Rake. I think it is really interesting to be able to see some of the formative events that shaped him.
Another excellent video and there are some very good points in here. I also agree with some of Ruthan's points and have a few of my own, some of which I mentioned in my Gardens of the Moon read-through videos but I suppose at this point I need to make a whole video on Rake, maybe with some Elric comparisons. Also, he's not emo, he's goth if anything.
Hi Raf, Erikson has publicly said that he never read Moorcock when they were gaming... However, has anyone asked Ian C. Esslemont had he read Elric???? I think people sometimes overlook that Erikson is one of two people who created this world and its characters.
@@ACriticalDragon There's that and then there's the fact that Elric and Moorcock's writing were influences on D&D in general. Also, a lord of a "dying race" with a cursed sword is just very, very close, isn't it?
I have just subscribed to your channel. I am looking forward to watching the videos as soon as I get a chance.
I think Rakes cool factor sometimes overshadows the character. He is more than a walking plot hook.
He is almost the conscience of his people. He has all this power but is hesitant to use it. He could have broken the siege of Pale by himself but showed mercy in his restraint. He stopped using Dragnipuir, to some extent, because he knew what it did, even though he knew the cost. He realizes his mistakes which is not something you expect from a Dark Lord. And just to mix things up, and jumping ahead a little, Night is not evil but it is Light that is blinded by its zealotry.
He wanted to do the right thing and try to awaken a sense of purpose in his people but the inertia of history was against them.
But yes, a very tragic figure. Perhaps it is because we are reminded of it in nearly every scene and we want him to just cut lose but rarely does that gets old. Even victory doesn't seem to make him happy because even that is short lived.
To paraphrase Krull - power is fleeting but with the Andii grief is eternal.
And watching this have a series of questions on the Edur but that will have to wait...
You raise excellent points. I want to look at Rake again as Philip Chase and I go through the books this year, each time looking at how the Rake of Gardens of the Moon evolves and changes (or doesn't) as the series develops. And I might do a few more characters like that so that I can hopefully map out some changes and interesting developments.
What a fantastic analysis of Rake! Thoroughly enjoyed it. So.... who IS your favorite character?
Apto Canavalian, of course :) But I may be biased.
I know the video is rather old already, but something I want to add is, that I loved rakes short dialog with Kruppe, that was along the lines of:
Kruppe: "You must be really used to be able to look down on everyone else. Kruppe envies that."
Rake: "It is easy to fool oneself into thinking of those beneath one as small and insignificant. The risks of oversight, you might say."
When I read that, I was so amazed about the message coming from such a mighty character, I sent it to a friend, who thought, that the joke was quite funny.
I hadn't even noticed the joke at that point.
Rake's sense of humour is often overlooked.
I've seen you and many others say that we don't get Rake as a POV character in malazan. we do actually get it in a short scene in chapter 23 of the first book(I only realized it on this reread for the Legendarium Green Team review of the book) . we just don't get much of an introspective internal monologue. a lot of it is the third person narrator talking while attached to Rakes POV and in the scene Rake seems mainly concerned with the immediate situation at hand rather than multi-milennia big picture stuff.(he's about to fight the Galayn Lord and he chats with K'Rul about it and also with Silanah (spelling?)).
anyway. great video! I always love your perspective on this series and now that I found your channel (first saw you on another channel) I've subscribed and hit that bell.
Cheers.
Hi, you are absolutely right. It is one of those mistakes that most of us make because his perspective is so limited and the scene is focused on draconic flight and the hunt for the demon. But so little of his internal character is revealed that almost all we know of Rake comes from those external sections. I should have been much more careful about how I was discussing it, but you are absolutely right.
@@ACriticalDragon easy mistake to make. this is my 5th time through book 1. (only my first time through the whole series. I struggled the first few times and this last time when I didn't struggle I reread it again only a couple months later for the review)
After the 4th read when I first heard it said on another channel I accepted it without question lol. but yeah not much is revealed by him in that scene so I get why it's an easy thing to think. Can't wait to check out more of your channel
Please, please tell me you will provide an analysis of Rake that considers the Kharkanas books + all the Malazan books! :) I'd love to see that. Or maybe several more of them on the Rake subject. What I love most about him is the value and respect he places on life (human or not), and the fact that, like all the great people I know, he is such a humble and kind person, regardless of the power or name. He is more than any great human I know, of course. Another thing I love about him is that he's got nothing to prove to anyone. He doesn't try to win anyone's heart or love, he just does what's right and does it justly and with a strong moral compass. I love his righteousness. He is my favorite character in all literature so I very much enjoyed this video, thank you. (also, I've studied his facial expressions along the books, he smiles pretty often, he is funny, lifts eyebrows in humorous ways, he's just that cool!)
Hi Rox, I am trying to do videos for the first while to keep in sync with Philip Chase's channel. So as we finish each book I will start adding videos that look from that book backwards.. Eventually I will do whole series videos. It is a way to balance relatively spoiler free content and analysis.
@@ACriticalDragon Thank you for these details! That's very sweet and kind of you to stick to the schedule with Philip and not interfere with it in other videos. Looking forward to your next video, A.P. :)
I think it’s easy to see Rake as melancholic and brooding because we see him through the eyes of others, and that’s what other characters tend to project onto him. Later in the series we see him often through Tiste Andii eyes and many of THEM are brooding and melancholic so again prpject that onto Rake. In terms of his sense of humour, love that he shows up to the street party dressed as himself.
And that is part of the reason why we shouldn't just accept what people say about him. We see his humour, we see the depth of caring, and we see him be active in protecting and encouraging his people, all things that are the very antithesis of melancholic and brooding.
If you love Rake you could find 100s of Rakes in The Vampire Chronicles series by Anne Rice...
None of them can turn into a dragon.
Thanks for this enjoyable discussion with Ruthan Badd, though it painfully reminds me of why I was utterly dismayed in literature classes back in school. This discussion in particular reminds me of looking at an optical illusion like My Wife and My Mother-in-Law (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Wife_and_My_Mother-in-Law) and endlessly arguing for what you see.
I am glad that you enjoyed it. I hope the flashback wasn't too painful.
He was a heroic character
I really love Rake in Malazan, but I think that he is better presented in Kharkanas trilogy.
He certainly is featured more and investigated in Kharkanas than in the MBotF, I am not sure I would say that he is better presented.
Although I didn't see the video that this was in response to I found this analysis to follow along the lines of how I view Rake (albeit far more abstractly and less well spoken)
Thanks Hezky.
I think I might have called Rake a emo fantasy reader's wish persona, still sad about his mum leaving, or something to that extent, below Ruthan's video. But I do agree that he is a very well written character, his humour was a bit lost in memory thb, it has been a while. I just always favoured people like Picker, Blend, Pores, Kindly and others of that ilk, hence I always wonder about him being the choice for people's favourite. Shows our differences, I guess :). Anyway great video.
Thanks Lothar. Like a lot of the characters and storylines in the book, we pick and choose the ones that resonate or connect with us. One of the great strengths of the series is that it is flexible enough to cater to a broad range of emphasis and taste, while at the same time giving readers everything they need to construct their visions of the world and story.
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Maith an fear, A.P!!
Go raibh maith agat.
I view him very near as you described him not just an emo character but a very godlike been with his boots on the ground.
Thanks Raul. I think that comment about being connected with 'boots on the ground' is one of the best ways to describe much of the series. The stories of gods, empires, lands, and wars, but found and told through the mundane, the prosaic, and the everyday.
Surely Rake would have known that Barukanal was one of the ancient ruling Mage Cabal of Darujhistan and was one of the Jaghuts Tyrants chosen and demanded respect, hell they could have faced off Millennia ago and Baruk wouldn't remember.
I can't remember what I had for breakfast, let alone what happened last year, but sure, in a world in which people shapeshift, disguise themselves, and live for thousands of years, I am sure that they all have eidetic memories as well.
They might never have met before. There is no evidence in Gardens of the Moon that they have met before. In fact, I don't recall any evidence in the series that they met before. It is not as if Baruk had an instagram and TikTok and was posting all about his latest potions.
Plus, Baruk looks human and Rake is Tiste... we might all look the same to him. #TisteAndiiRacism
One of my new favorite youtube channels for malazan content👍🏻
Thank you very much. I hope I continue to provide videos worthy of that praise.
@@ACriticalDragon me too😁
So no pressure then? :)
@@ACriticalDragon you'll be fine👍🏻
Akoronis is the fire mage you forgot
Thank you. His name escaped me in the moment and I didn't want to stop recording and start again.
In my defence... he isn't exactly the most impactful character. :)
@@ACriticalDragon true. I’m not sure if I spelled it right
@@ReallyGoodandKind A'karonys I believe.