Summary. 1) Joe Burns (guy speaking), Bonnie Dillard, Jennifer Adamson, Cali Dewitt, Dylan Carlson, Lee Rufor? , and other people were there. 2) Joe, Bonnie, Cali, and Jennifer were there for multiple days. Joe was doing tattoos on Cali. 3) Kurt showed up and told Joe that he was trying to avoid Courtney and people she hired to find him.....and that he just left his treatment center. Kurt said he was trying to negotiate a new music contract for music he was making on his own. (Not with nirvana) Kurt got food and water. He ate fruit and a turkey or chicken marie callendar tv dinner with mashed potatoes and stuffing. 4) Joe went to Cali's room. Kurt went to a different are of the house. (Someone had a girl in the room, I need to watch video again, I heard this the first time and thought it was about Kurt, now I believe it was about someone else?) 5) Kurt came down to the kitchen and talked to Joe and Cali about a tape he recorded. He gave Cali a copy of this tape. He wanted to release this tape under his new music label. (Solo music project with kurt playing all instruments.) 6) Dylan showed up with someone else. 2 people showed up on their own, they were likely dropped off. 7) There may have been private eyes watching the house/in the house at this time, hired by Courtney. 8) Kurt was hiding out somewhere trying not to be found by anyone. Basically sneaking around the house. Dylan and the other guy went upstairs with Kurt. 9) Cali was telling everyone to leave the house. 10) Dylan and the other guy were carrying/pushing Kurt to the greenhouse, as kurt couldn't walk on his own. Cali continues to tell Joe to leave. Joe didn't want to leave. 11) The whole night Dylan and his friend are trying to get kurt to do more dope when he clearly did not need anymore. 12) Bonnie and Cali show up with someone else. Joe wants to stay, Bonnie, who is Joe's girlfriend, wants to leave. Cali walks away for a second, Joe and Bonnie are standing by the garage when they hear a muffled gunshot. 13) Joe, Jen, Cali, and Bonnie all leave and go to Jens house. Cali- 14) Cali wanted all witnesses out of the house and as far away as possible. Dylan- 15) Dylan and Joe grew up together? Joe says Dylan is smart, but you shouldn't trust Dylan with someone who is overdosing. Dylan can do something horrific and wouldn't be bothered at all. Dylan has a morbid curiosity. The Note- 16) Someone read Joe the note before his body was discovered. Edit* The question mark❓next to something means I'm not sure if I heard him correctly, and I could be wrong.
@@wirrwarr808Nobody asked him or anyone at the house, he just figures why not help himself if he says the story they throw him away write a book become the hero. All he's saying
@@frankdeal7260 "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you" ,,,,,,,,,,are lines to the lyrics of "Territorial Pissings". a song by Kurt Cobain,,,,,,, but you knew that. "MAN YOU A BRIGHT ONE UH???"
As an ex-addict I recognise the place he’s in giving the interview. Don’t blame the guy, I’d be a mess too if I was left knowing I was there when Kurt was murdered and had to live with that for the rest of my life. ✌🏼 RIP Kurt gone but never to be forgotten.
@@philup6274Of course man. That's what someone who is nodding on opiates looks like. He's moderately to highly "in his zone". I know. I started at 15 and stopped at 36. Looks as if he's also done some long term prison bids. You usually wouldn't get that tattoo on your head unless you're representing a "White Power" movement. He's also missing an arm. I know multiple severe IV addicts who have gotten bad infections which led to different conditions in which they lost an arm or limb. I'm not saying that's what happened but it's highly possible. Living that lifestyle though, so are a lot of other things that could have caused it.
Impossible for anyone that high on H to make everything he just said up. And him telling the story with his eyes closed is a tell tale sign of someone retelling the events as he is remembering them happen 30 years ago and high on H. This man just told the world what really happened to Kurt Cobain. I 💯% believe he was there and it happened like he told it. (Close enough anyway and for a lifer drug addict trying to recall the events of 30 years ago i think he told it exactly the way his weakened state allowed him to. OPEN THIS CASE BACK UP PLEASE!!!
Hilarious LOL. Go smoke another bowl. His eyes are closed, that means he is remembering lol. #1. Thats no different than saying he had his eyes closed to make up a story. #1a - his eyes are closed for most of the talking and not all of his talk is a recount, or something to remember. Be better, man, Jesus. Kurt blew his head off. It didnt work in Italy so he took the sure way out. He left a suicide note. Yes... it was written in his hand writing and nobody made him write it. I mean no disrespect towards Kurt. I was there as a fan since Bleach. I remember the spot on the road that I was driving on when I heard about his death on the radio. I was 21 when he died. As for your friend here.... unfortunately for him, he has zero credibility.
The world missed out new Kurt Cobain material, Kurt’s daughter missed out on having a father. Never felt right with the narrative Kurt committed suicide, too many red flags. I believe this man Joe and he needs protecting, sounds awful what Kurt went through at the end. Dylan the rat along with Courtney and others involved need to be sentenced, case need reopening asap
If anyone killed Kurt, it was the record label wanting to invoke the Death Clause in his contract. Dylan definitely wasn't involved in any way, besides giving him dope. Neither was El Duce. Courtney benefited, and she's totally a psychopath, but she didn't hire anybody to kill him. Either he just did it himself, or it was the record label.
@@vishkavishovski300 I’m certainly not one who believes any bs or follows any narrative, mainly i follow my own intuition. Whats it to you anyway? Not a bot are ya?
@@vishkavishovski300 i said i believe this man. Because i said ppl need to be sentenced doesn’t mean i’m accusing any individual of the actual murder, try not to wet the bed
@vishkavishovski300 fucking right. Blaming a widow. These ghouls can't help themselves. What fucking loser blames the ones left behind? It's sick and just wrong. Most of these losers were not even around when this happened. Like she was some junkie mastermind and tricked the police and the extreme media attention. Oh and she had a 1yr old. It's terrible.
Finally, does everyone understand how significant all this is. I've grown old waiting for the testimony that makes everything gel and I can finally say 100 percent. All those red flags, suspicious details. This pieces all of them together and within the timelines. Calis only access to money and dope is Kurt's CCard that is just recently cancelled. Kurt fired Cali just prior. Calis 400 dollar a day habit gets cut off suddenly and Courtney "sends him to rehab" with 30k in cash? Or she gave 30k and his his ass for a while. And Dylan, think a best friend whose habit and rent are covered by Courtney wouldn't turn on his buddy? She told those two that Kurt was bailing and getting clean and they'd be left with the agony of withdrawal with no income and no where to go. And Tom Grant's little details on Dylan all the sudden taking calls and orders from Courtney, and he interviewed him afterwards at the house with Courtney and Dylan is totally blitzed, which he hadn't seen Dylan that way until afterwards. This is what I needed after all these years, I just needed a witness narrative of the actual moment that just so happens to fit all those weird details and red flags. His story doesn't conflict with any of it, in fact it makes it all come together as this was an evolving situation that Courtney had to make adjustments to in real time and this story fits all the complexities. Calis note to Kurt, God it all fits. And he's struggling to speak, not struggling with the order of things. Without this testimony, it's all circumstantial, but after this significant telling, it all turns into solid real world motive and opportunity. Courtney told them two, Kurt's bailing the marriage and you guys, OR we do this together and the prenup is void, I get it all, and you two guys stay provided and on the payroll since I'll have all the funds to myself
Yup, and there is another person out there that can ad to this story. Someone who was also loosely involved. El Duche, the lead singer of The Mentors. Courtney went to him first and offered him 50g and he refused. The guy who pulled the trigger is a friend of his named Mike.
@@chriscameron723bro that whole thing is not true that was some performance artist who made that up it's absolutely not true look into it a little harder
How can anyone be that callous. And arrogant. To think you can just erase someone to get what you want. And concoct such a plan, manipulating the weaknesses of others. I just don’t understand what the daily mental landscape of that kind of person would be. What a sick, twisted hell. What a pathetic waste of a human being. I just don’t have the words or comprehension.
I didn't believe a word of this at first but the more i watch the more I'm starting to believe this guy. He's got no reason to lie after all these years & my gut tells me he knows his time is limited so he's clearing his conscience before he meets his maker.
There's a Reddit thread from a year ago talking about how Dylan Carlson and Mark Lanegan feel indebted to Courtney for supporting them "morally and financially" in the years subsequent to Kurt's death. While not a smoking gun to support this story outright, it does incontrovertibly point to the possibility leaving only the question as to Josef's motivations for telling this story: Because it is (a) True, or, (B) He has an axe to grind for not getting a cut of the support. The case for the former outweighs the latter when one considers the papertrail of years of evidence, corpses, and negligent initial investigation.
@@jonmichael02302 no reason to lie huh? Money and fame are often sought after by people. Ever heard of it? More like, there was no reason to not tell this story YEARS ago.
17:42 same. It always has hurt my head and heart wondering why the police didn’t do a proper investigation. His recollection is the most accurate based on evidence found at the scene. He’s filling in the pieces we knew were there but ignored. Thank you for releasing this interview ❤❤
I had an email exchange with Cali DeWitt back in 2009. I had my suspicions about his role in Kurt's death so I after a few emails I outright told him I was sure he was involved and he told me to "keep fighting the good fight". He's an arrogant condescending prick who feels bulletproof. If I were to ever wind up with absolutely nothing to lose (God forbid) I'd love to pay those guys a visit.
People are still not getting this... Courtney, like Cali are protected!!!!! Courtney suggested getting Kurt whacked to Geffen, as he realised that Cobain was going to be a problem to him financially if he remained alive!!! All his band mates are assholes who are covering their own asses because of the money and probable threats to their lives.
@@aberdeenlizards Not seeing your comments, I know that youtube will randomly delete them so you may want to repost if its significant info. Ostensibly it looks like a suicide but the totality of evidence (largely the tapes) seems to suggest the possibility that it was in fact staged in my view. What's the difference between a crime scene and the scene of a self inflicted overdose? How difficult is it to add in a gun to fit with all the pre existing photo shoots or lyrics involving guns? A whole lot of money would have been at stake if he was planning on leaving her, for several people not just one person.
@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station Geffen has motive too, don't forget. Google Kurt's angry letter to him. Cornell ended up dead with 9 broken ribs, blood spatters all over the bathroom and somehow 'offed himself' off a doorknob from a kneeling position shortly after signing to Geffen, the richest man in Hollywood and business partner to Jeffrey Epstein in The Mega Group.
I would absolutely hate coming home to a bunch of junkies living in my house 24/7. Yea, a party now and then is cool, but Rando’s coming and going all the time…HELL NO
@@mandyjuelz it's important to keep in mind that Kurt was used to that lifestyle. We have to keep in mind that Kurt was a seasoned addict no matter how hard it is for us to accept that fact.
I mean this well, but friend, do you realize what a leftist statement that is? And this is how it always is though: the whole utopian principle when practiced equates to you, the one who provides, being completely overrun w/ junkies and dopamine freaks of various stripes such that you become a stranger in your own home.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgeverybody in Seattle was used to that lifestyle back then. Trying to integrate myself into normal life later on was hard because my language and lifestyle was so abrasive for normal people it took years to tone it down so I could just live a normal life. There's a point when you're too old to be the craziest guy in the room!
@sitindogmas kurt just got out of rehab with several days clean. You know nothing! With his tolerance low the amount of drugs in his system would have rendered him unconscious. Gouging out as we call it. I'm talking from experience. 24 years clean. And it was a retired coroner who said that the amount was substantially a OD.
@@straightreject2947I was clean for 2 years and my tolerance barely went down so I doubt a heavy user such as himself would have lost a tolerance after a few days.
It's just my observation but it seems like Kurt figured out what they were doing and repeatedly tried to come back downstairs but he was so messed up he couldn't fight them any longer and was forced back to the greenhouse. I can't imagine what was going through his mind.
@gutekzpoligonu Right. Perhaps he was so messed up he couldn't even think at that point. It's hard to say how coherent he was but was enough to try to escape from these guys. And just couldn't any longer. I hope Dylan and Cali are arrested. Please for the love of God someone arrest these murderers
They gave him the First dose (he had some by himself of course, then he got a "huge" one from Dylan or the people with him, not the deadly One, still It was enough to make him incapacitated) Then they literally grabbed him into the greenhouse
@@alessiomatzuzzi846 In the autopy his uncle revealed he had a copy of in recent months it refers to damage to his penis and an open wound on his leg. That would be more consistent with him being dragged up the stairs to the greenhouse? We learned years ago the greenhouse was also locked from the outside. No fingerprints anywhere, not even on the needle he shot 3x a lethal dose of and put the cap back on before neatly returning it to his stash box. Zero fingerprints on the note, then pen he supposedly wrote it with or the shotgun longer than his torso. Zombie Kurt sure was busy.
Kurt came to my house in Fremont by the blinking Fire Signal light a few times. Once with Grohl, Arm, and Cornell. Kurt was cool. I told him about my older brother, named Kurt, and Cobain dug that. He knew my neighbor, Scott, who played in a Seattle acoustic band. RIP Kurt and Chris.
Chris Cornell is another who didn't take his own life I hope we justice for Kurt and Chris Cornell I've never believed either on of them took their own life.
@@ozman6602 as much as I believe Kurt was murdered - Chris was not. He wasn't about to uncover pedos with Chester and Bourdain. He was savagely depressed. You could see it in his eyes and it just got worse in the last 12 months of his life - every photo his eyes get.sadder and sadder. He never got over the death of his best friend Andy Wood.
@ozman6602 I don't believe Chris strangled himself as he was overdosing either. The video in the hall of the hotel was missing. He had been talking to Vicki and was falling asleep. He told Vicky he thought he took an extra pill. He was out of it. Its so messed up
He's on point about the sound profile of a shotgun being quieter than rifle or pistol. That's wild, this man is probably telling the truth about this situation or got a lot of experience shooting guns. Most people, even regular shooters, never notice the difference between sound in shotguns vs rifles or pistols. Shotgun is a lower pressure round than common rifle and pistol calibers, 20ga like what was used is going to require less gunpowder and have a slightly less pressure/sound at the muzzle . If it was a low recoil load it would be even quieter because most are subsonic and do not make a supersonic crack that is unrelated to the sound of the initial muzzle blast. Putting the barrel in someone's mouth when fired would make it even quieter. I specialized in custom shotgun work for 9 years. There is a lot behind that sound comment. That's not a detail someone would think to add to a lie, in my opinion.
I’ve been saying this for years. I 100% believe that Cobain was murdered. I continue to sit back and wait patiently for this to come to light. It’s not a matter of if. It’s a matter of when. I’ll wait.
@mikecreery7666 The dude misspoke. He obviously was there. We know he was there. Everyone else who was at that house has mentioned him being there. This guy is verifiably part of that circle of people who visited that house and all hung out getting high together. I'm not sure what you think your "gotcha" is here; Dylan mentioned him being there in interviews, we know for a fact he was hanging at the house around the time kurt died. You've spammed this comment section with that reply when it's *one* misspoken detail about a place where there's *no* debate as to whether or not he was present. He was there, whether or not his story is accurate. His one misspoken faded mistake about the lake doesn't invalidate the rest of his story lol
Anyone that truly knows Kurt Cobain has been saying this 1000% Kurt was Murdered - That man Did Not Kill Himself!!!!! If what he says is true about him hiding out trying to renegotiate a new deal for himself, "without Chris & Dave for Nirvana" that means the suspect list got bigger than just Courtney Love... 🤨🤨🤨🤔😡
This is genuinely surreal, heartbreaking, and infuriating to hear the details. Pretty much what the theories suggested but to actually hear what happened that night after 30 years, this is heavy
I feel the same. It’s very hard to hear; it’s hard to take knowing that happened to Kurt and he didn’t deserve any of that… I mean no one does, but damn, him?!!?? Why!?? I still have so many questions
How can you understand what the hell he's saying? All I hear is uh, and Kurt, and upstairs, and uh and uh those guys and uh Courtney and Cali. I don't mean to sound mean
agreed.... it finally hit me. i watched 3 videos and was just like.... fuck.... this guy- heroin addict then (and now) and nodding or not- is telling the truth. I dunno. I can judge character pretty well. I can read addicts as well... and I was a junkie for about15 years that I consider blackout years now.... I can tell when people are being honest most of the time, I'd like to think. hard to figure someone through a screen, but Joe seems pretty sincere, and he has nothing to really gain and everything to possibly lose by divulging this info. one thing i am wondfering now.... how many of these people are even still alive? I highly doubt seattle pd does shit with this... tom grant is a worm.... and i dunno how many of these people could be called to testify or even questioned if they're dead. I tried to look them up but just got obituaries for other people w/ the same name....
I WAS EXTREMELY YOUNG WHEN KURT DIED AND I REMEMBER IMMEDIATELY GOING TO MY MOM VERY UPSET AFTER FINDING OUT...I TOLD HER THERE WAS NO WAY HE KILLED HIMSELF AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR 3 DECADES. I'M GLAD YOU FINALLY CAME FORWARD JOSEF...THANK YOU.
@mikecreery7666 I TOOK HIS WORDS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, BUT AT LEAST HOPEFULLY THIS WILL OPEN UP SOME DOORS AND HELP FIND OUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THESE FACTS, I APPRECIATE IT. IT JUST BREAKS MY HEART THAT HE WAS AND STILL IS LABELED AS A SUICIDE WHEN I STILL BELIEVE THAT IS BS.
@@mikecreery7666Right. He shouldn’t have said Greenlake. But I think that was just misspeaking. He’s clearly nervous. However, that being said, these details should be taken with a grain of salt but some important details might still be very much true…
@@BeefSupreme-vk9sz I always thought Dave have something to do with it! Especially his first album seems like stolen from Kurt. this song "i ll steak around" definitely Kurt wrote about Courtney...Kurt wanted divorce...And even now the way Grohl speaking about Kurt, is so fake. Its easy to see he didn't really like Kurt and probably was envious coz he wanted to be a front man. Who knows maybe Dave and Courtney were lovers?
Thank you so much Joe For finally getting the truth out there and telling a lot of us who never believed Kurt killed himself what we had always suspected. Now please stay safe. xxx
This was sick and I could feel the evil from his story…Hes obviously deeply affected knowing he could not intervene at the thought of being killed maybe just being a silent coward, either way all the people there knew what was going down, besides this guy. Imagine Kurt chilling thinking about his future only to have your best friend trick you into your death.
@@MrBleworchid Men like Dylan aren't evil, just totally 1000 percent both dependent on drugs and also absolute cowards, bare minimum he's a terrible friend. But an active participant in the murder only to the extent he would be guaranteed not to lose drug connects/quantities going forward. As for the rest of them yeah for sure. But even in that "best case" scenario he's still complicit and a guilty scumbag period.
Dylan and Courtney will be remembered in history for having organized and killed one of the most gifted musicians of the 20th century. Remembered as the biggest scumbags of the previous century
@@jamie.777 I think you mean junkie not junky so maybe pay attention in school because I know “junkies” that are far more intelligent than you. Also every one rips off someone’s riffs rather they know it or not but Kurt were come closer to ripping off punk riffs than Tony immoi. So your comment just shows your ignorance. I also don’t think Kurt is some amazing musician or song writer. Good band but not at all what people make it all out to be and if Kurt wouldn’t have been killed (or whatever) I really don’t think nirvana would have the mainstream success they have.
His story got more and more credible as he continued. Very similar to the depiction of events in Last Days. I'm glad Joe Burns finally got this off his chest and on the record. I don't know his life history but it seems like a miracle he is still alive. I'm sure CL wasn't expecting that. Hopefully someone can find a way to get Dylan and Cali subpoenaed and forced to sit for an interview/deposition but I am very doubtful of that ever happening.
@@Momo4060i sure that would be nice but I mean obviously they were scared and for good reason.. Kurt killed, El duce probably killed.. and also they might've been paid off.. or benefiting in different ways .. so and you know the police didn't investigate so they probably felt helpless... Probably felt like Courtney could control everyone and that they shouldn't talk .. she's not as scary these days ... And more people know about what really happened
Something one of the detectives said, Kurt could not have shot himself for a couple of reasons. He's got too much dope in his system to be able. Also he didn't have 3 foot long arms to reach the trigger
While he was way too high to have offed himself, it has been proven tons of times that you can use that specific shotgun to self forever sleep yourself. You don't need 3 foot long arms, you don't need some super strange positioning. You just need determination. I think whoever first said it wasn't possible was hinting that it was a murder without coming out and saying it all the way. Kurt was clearly killed by someone. But it's entirely possible if he was sober to have done it or have someone else basically manipulate his body to "do it to himself"
I am going to write this as short and clearly as possible: I DON'T know what happened, I do not know who to believe but what i do know is that in any case, this case needs to be reopened and looked at so people can get peace (either way).
@@copperwopper6429 You are right and i should have clarified that the case needs to be opened from a separate district. Having Seattle to investigate Seattle has been the problem from day one. Makes as much sense as Microsoft investigating Bill Gates for whatever.
I believe the theory was, that he was in an un-aliving mood but couldn't carry it out, so hired someone to un-alive him. He did leave an un-aliving note behind.
@@VenturiLife I have never heard that theory but i guess you could be right also. People in that mental state can do irrational things so it can be possible.
@@mikecreery7666 you could be absolutely right or you could be crazy. I have trouble remembering 5 years ago let alone 30. it could be a lie and i absolutely agree that this seems suspect but the overarching argument still remains. Who knows what really happened. All we want is an objective answer.
Wow. Geeze. Im just sick now. Kurt even mentioned he was starting a solo career. Obviously wasnt thinking of doing anything to himself. I truely hope something is done this time. Poor Joe. Hes definitely a hero for doing this. I see it was rough for him but finally someone told the truth. We now know. These people need to be arrested. Like now.
@lillaurap He would've done great solo. Perhaps Kurt Cobain unplugged. Some solo albums and more than likely a nirvana reunion at some point kinda like alot of bands do or like they did awhile ago with the female singers only with Kurt. We were greatly robbed.
@@lillaurapand how good of a father he would have been.. he woulda done just fine solo.. he wanted to be like Bob Dylan; write songs for other people to sing cuz he was tired of the popularity…. 😢
This is heartbreaking, This event affected me so much as a kid... I hope they arrest Courtney, DeWitt, and Carlson.. they used and betrayed Cobain. :'(
I knew this was gonna be hard but what a punch in the gut. It effected alot of us especially my brother who was a bigger Nirvana fan than I at the time.
This man is the only one with courage to come out and speak about this when it’s plain to see all the others were there at the house. They are all too underhanded, parasitic and cowardly to do the right thing and speak out about the inconsistencies that occurred around the time of Kurt’s death.
This guy is still heavily into smack or opiates, just like Kurt was back then. However that does not mean he's lying. I was a heavy user and there are periods that I don't really have a clear memory of but there are other things that occurred that I have a crystal clear memory of. Those things that I do have a clear memory of are all violent and intense situations. Any trauma tends to sear itself into your mind forever.
Now that I have a minute. I come from Johannesburg in South Africa. The heroin here is mixed with something that eats flesh. I almost lost both arms and hands. I was told by my best friend at the time who is now in treatment, ( Jude you using this all wrong) till he got desperate and bought from the same guy. I have been a user on and off for 22 years and one of three to survive a group of around thirty. As much as we loved eachother and as much as it took us a minute that one of us was gone next day we move on. You get so sick without it it's almost a parasite that lives in you that is so powerful it grips every facet of one's life and others around you. It's horrific. Now it was for the most part all a blur but I slept on the street so had to be vigilant and I saw everything. Guys from organ harvesting on the homeless to a man carrying a cross on his back for Christmas. I found out there really truely was a man who did this in our country for some or other cause but let me tell you one thing. As much as I tried to get onto oblivion everynight adrenaline and I guess after all I saw ai made a point to stay awake and only sleep in the day. I remember everything. Every traumatic or near death or someone's death close or far to me I remember it and can go back there with ballpoint accuracy when I'm sober to the point it'll shock you. I believe him. Sober him up he already lost an arm he isn't a play house user. And you will get your coherent version of what happened to Curt. Or it can be that this man is a sensationalist and wants media attention. I think as far away as attention can find me that's where I want to be.he is genuine.
@@YaBoySkelly If you ever done heroin methadone xanax all of that shit mixed together and the Thorazine shuffle he is SO high dude it probably took 2 days to make that video cause he nodded off and passed out so many times, If you honestly don't know that this man is junked out then good for you stay away from that kind of stuff and people like that it obviously speaks volumes about you In a positive way, I never was that bad But I have a friend that I haven't spoke to in years as probably dead as we speak and I'm not lying about that I had to just stop hanging out with him even though I just like to visiting every now and then but the last time he died twice and they brought him back to life And hit him 3 times with the narcan and he went right back home and just did more, So yeah this dude is high! so so high, It's sad to say that I've never met anyone personally that has ever been that bad that has ever bounced back from that
This is off topic but it’s worth noting that Aspirin Feast is/was a killer punk/metal band- I have zines from the 90’s with articles on them (alongside Mortician, Abhorrence, Derketa, Funeral Nation etc). Joe is the real deal and not some kind of poser or hanger-on, he was there when the underground was actually underground and not online. It sounds strange but I feel that this fact only lends credibility to him in my mind.
No that makes a lot of sense, thanks man. Also sheds some light on Kurt's persistent fascination w/ more extreme music. Always seemed a bit touristy to me, but he clearly knew some serious people.
I was good friends with Jennifer Adamson. Shortly after Kurt's passing, she moved back to Montana, where I live. At that time, I received a phone call from someone claiming to be her friend in Seattle. The person pleaded with me to keep an eye on her and not let her find any dope. I have no idea how they knew who I was, let alone have my number. I did my best, and for a short while, she seemed to be fine. One night, we had plans to get together. She ghosted me and was found alone in her mom's place. I was devastated. A week later, her mom was killed in an " accident"!!! I found the whole thing extremely strange. She talked about Kurt, but never about his death. I lost a friend, and it all seemed so bizarre. I always suspected there were things happening she refused to talk about.
Kurt was having moments of clarity when he was off the heroin long enough. He knew Courtney was acting strangely toward him. But he didn't think anyone would believe him when he said he thought his wife was trying to kill him. If you gather up all the interviews from all of the drug connections like Joe & the girls, the P.I., the local law enforcement, and most importantly, Courtney, you'll develop a bigger picture of what transpired in those days before Kurt's death. Cali was Courtney's ex - why was he Frances' "nanny"? Courtney has had more than one male companion die... she's had 4 or 5 close male friends die. She had a habit of returning to LA to strip after each traumatic event.
@pucknhusker9426 YES! Kurt was planning on leaving Courtney for her & work with her. She is said to be a "REAL" musician unlike Courtney who everyone else basically carried. She's a terrible singer, mediocre musician (being generous, here) & she got very angry at Kurt when he wouldn't give her a guitar riff he came up with "No, go make your own." She couldn't because she sux.
Tom Grant really helped push this forward, thank you for this. The trajectory of the shell, the forged handwriting from c*ney, map of the house, el duche, everything, always knew was a murder.
My heart goes out to this man for his loss and trauma and also much respect to him for breaking his silence! This is no disrespect or judgement because I'm an ex addict myself. BUT, it was almost hard to get thru the video because the H had him nodding and stuttering most of the time. Or whatever it was that had him faded
If you look at his fingers and his hand he has severe heart disease and fluid retention. I think this is a confession of the nights events because he knows he doesn’t have long to live
I noticed this, too 😢. Sad. He's already lost at least 1 arm, possibly a leg, too since it looks like he's in a wheelchair & has a wristband on. Is it a medical wristband?
There's a book called Love and Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain and it details everything leading up to his death in great detail, including how Courtney tried to hire people to kill him. The book is based on recordings from the p.i. and hired. I highly recommend it.
I was very skeptical about this, but there are so many small details that this guy is talking about that just cannot be made up. It is so sad to listen to this story. Kurt Cobain was a legend.
Until I read Hank Harrison’s book about 6 months ago, I never questioned Dylan’s place in the official narrative of Kurt’s murder. He was Kurt’s “best friend”. Kurt had even played w Dylan’s band,Earth- even giving it a shout out on a 1990 single, Dive. He can’t possibly have betrayed Kurt or bought the gun without Kurt and said he was there to eliminate his culpability and promote the suicide narrative, can he? Oh fuck yeah he can! If the Dylan piece comes out of the hideous Jenga stack of The Cobain Conspiracy, the entire tower falls. It took a while, ok a long ass time to see that but it’s the critical piece that lets everything come into focus and make sense. I’d love to see true justice prevail and for Dan and Dylan to get jail time but the truly important thing to me is for the bs suicide story to once and for all DIE -to make a pun. Kurt was murdered- plain and simple. All the copycat kids who self deleted using his death as a reason deserve better. Let’s make that happ3n now!
I couldn't agree more bud. Dylan bought the mother fucker, his name on it. It all comes together when you see Dylan as suspect. As well as the deterring T.Grant from the greenhouse or not mentioning it rather. Alot of compromising and improvising in this case sadly. Everyone from addicts, to coroners probably even the PD.
My brother's murderer claimed to be his best friend. Guess what? His real best friend never lied, disappeared, nor was investigated and charged with murdering him. His real best friend watches over me, his sister, to this day.
You can contact Seattle PD via their website and submit a General Information Request and inquire what they plan to do in light of this information. You can also contact the Seattle District Attorney's office and inquire. Couldn't hurt.
@@elizabethstevenson9881 we have presented an extensive case challenge to the SPD. Their headquarters are currently closed to the public and they're extremely understaffed. Unfortunately, this will be very low on their priority list.
This was published on the full moon in Pisces..too right. Thank you for your courage, coming out, dear Sir.💜🖤I’m sure Kurt appreciates you telling the Truth & is smiling down on you.
Come on Michael "Cali" Dewitt, Dylan Carlson, Jessica hopper, Bonnie Dillard someone else needs to start talking i mean this was supposed to be your friend and you have not let this man rest yet because they wanna keep thr fuckey and lies going. Just tell the truth and let him rest let his legacy be set right finally!!!
Listening to it a few times….. why did Dylan forget about the greenhouse and not take Tom grant there…. Well because he damn well knew Kurt was dead up there because he was part of it! It’s hard to listen to but this guys story does fill in some blanks!!
Lanegan was with them as well, and yes, he made sure in his bio to emphasize the importance of the greenhouse and he told himself “he can’t be up there”
Carson didn't necessarily "forget". It was a large estate and wasn't his. He was a junky just like this dude.Grant was the PI and didn't check the greenhouse.
These people are responsible for every teenager that committed suicide because of Kurt's death, every copycat, or teen who thought that if even Kurt couldn't cope, what's the point? That is on Love, DeWitt, Carlson and crew.
That’s the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard. I’m the hugest cobain fan since a child. I have major depression. No one except myself could make me wanna take my life. Sorry but if someone does that your just goofy like the people that do it over lyrics in metal albums or commit crimes due to video games.
@@marsoblivi0n945I think they meant more because the Widow Cobain played the best part of her acting life perpetuating the myth he was depressed and likely to self delete.
No, no, no, no!! Those people who ended their own life chose their path all on their own. This is what is known as freewill, the freedom to choose life and good, death and evil. Blaming others for their choices in life is irresponsible and immature.
Danny Goldberg has done a recent interview this week. He always appears when the truth comes out, same with his book and soaked in bleach. He says his company was based on taking commissions from artists and let’s face it. Kurt was done with them all. He then pushes how depressed he was and Rolling Stone push the usual narrative. They know these videos are out and this is a paltry attempt at damage control.
You know what's so sick about this? It's all for money. Fucking money!! Who do you think whispered into kurt's ear to retroactively take a bigger cut of song rights? Guess who.
@@rnrpeg1 Google Kurt's angry letter to Geffen. Cornell ended up dead with 9 broken ribs, blood spatters all over the bathroom and somehow 'offed himself' off a doorknob from a kneeling position shortly after signing to Geffen, the richest man in Hollywood and business partner to Jeffrey Epstein in The Mega Group.
Kurt wanted a divorce and Courtney Love knew that she wasn't getting money after divorce and Hole wasn't making hard-core money as Nirvana and she beyond flipped and of course we all know what happened, Aftermath.
One Private eye (The closer to danger, the further from guilt. What a masterstroke it must be to ensure that there is only one narrative that makes you head the juicy juicy game of putting the pieces of the puzzle together). Three guys break into the house and get heavy with him who by then was already on a high and had little energy to fight for his life. Between the three of them they force him into the greenhouse and right from the car at that moment, the girlfriend of one of those who had to run out of there, ... hears a shot. Then they had to recompose the scene and put a shotgun on him and clean everything up. They would hold him between two and the third filled him with liquid death and then... Without rigor mortis and with the body rotting... And still no one is capable of having what it takes to call everyone to testify, including the master puppeteer?
@@evertking1 I don't think so and it would be hard for me because I followed his job since he started and I admire his determination and powerful. But Joe said he (Tom) was there...
@@MrSeventhkernel Where did you hear that Tom Grant was there? Really hard to believe that a former police officer and PI would do something like that, with witnesses present at the scene. (not because of his job, but because he knew the consequences)
Courtney didn't want Donald to find the body. It seems Courtney had some affection for Kurt's parents. No one wanted to find the body and then have to explain where they had been and what they had been doing. Courtney encouraged Donald to have the alarm installed so the electrician would find the body. It should be obvious enough that it would not have taken 3 days to find Kurts body in the most obvious place. They were always in the greenhouse hanging out. It would be the first place to look for Kurt. They said he had been dead 3 days when the body was discovered. People knew Courtney had admitted practiced Kurts handwriting. There was also a note in Kurt's pocket about Courtney being after Kurt's money for drugging and whoring. Courtney lied and pretended that she wrote it herself as a joke. She pretended it was a joke to spare herself embarrassment and incrimination. It was no joke. Courtney did not write it. Courtney did not spell her own name wrong, Cortney is what is written on the note. Kurt had a previous overdose they said was in Paris. It was in the US, where and when the narcan was illegal to possess. There was a group of people, Courtney and band, discussing Kurt had the lionshare of the money outside the greenhouse. Inside the greenhouse, others discussed stories they could sell about his death. I was a 19 year old female that had been a stolen sex trafficked child and drugged and had severe cptsd was also on the scene. The group discussed killing both of us and calling it a double suicide, that we would have made a suicide pact. I hid in the greenhouse from these people terrified. Courtney stood over me and demanded that I add to the note as Kurt lay on the floor asleep or unconscious. The body of the text had already been written. I was terrified. I wrote on this note. I wrote the part: Go on Courtney for Francis for her life I love you I love you. I was terrified for my life and for Kurt. I wrote that as she was standing over me to try to awaken the soul inside of her. Courtney was angry that she saw Kurt on top of another woman while she was pregnant. Courtney tried to have me killed then. I was a teenager that woke up with a man on top of me. Then I was attacked for it and severely hurt. It was awful. The reason they revived Kurt from that overdose was I told Courtney that if she let him die, she wouldn't get any money. They weren't married at that time. That was why Courtney "married" Kurt. Kurt called me the night he was shot and said he was in a hotel and that they had their ducks in a line. He said they were going to kill him. I asked if it was Courtney or the band. Kurt just said yes. The call ended. I called the Freeport police who thought it was a prank. I didn't know what hotel he was at. We did have less technology then. The freeport police said they wouldn't be able to trace the call. The guy with the tattoos said he saw them carrying Kurt into the greenhouse. Kurt was probably dead already. The shot was to make it seem as though Kurt had just killed himself inside. Reasonably someone so incapacitated would be unlikely to find his gun and shoot himself when he was so disabled that he couldn't walk. River & Kurt were killed within 6 months of each other. On time taken to speak, I will reinterate. There was no TH-cam or cellphones when they were killed. When you are surrounded by people who kill people, when you are drugged, and when you are mentally disabled from repeated profound abuse, it is not always possible to go to the cops. Then the cops fbi don't even always believe you, protect you, or report what they know. Why don't we ask why the FBI took 30 years to release the flowery stationary SUZIE TENNENT sent to the FBI wrote asking on our behalf this be investigated as a murder! Conveniently, Suzie got dementia and a Facebook page for friends of Suzie. People love Suzie especially when she cannot credibly testify against them. Don't forget that media is paid for and notice who has the money. I didn't have parents I didn't have a safe family. I had trauma and was disabled and unable to get help. Over and over when crimes occured. I would be callled crazy drugged or threatened. I questioned my own sanity. I was disabled from abuse. This evidence has been suppressed for decades. No one would believe me.
When I called the Freeport police, they thought it was a prank. We did ask the FBI for an investigation. In 2019, I was questioned by police for the first time about many events. I am not an emotionally disturbed 19 year old with no one to vouch for me anymore. I am 50 years old. I have a master's degree. Many people see me regularly and know I'm not delusional. I got away from those who entrapped me in these situations years ago I hadn't been able to process the trauma because I could never discuss it without sounding crazy even to myself. When this information was brought up by police in 2019, it wasn't me trying to prove I was there. They knew. They wanted me to talk about it. However, unless this information is declassified or we go to court, they may never admit it. They don't have to. It was profound for me to realize where I was from. There really was proof that I was near and around celebrities. My grandfather had a home in Palm Beach a town of 8000 people for the last one hundred years. 134 Australian Avenue was next to where the Cuomos vacationed . It was minutes from Mar A Lago and Brillo Way, the home Epstein bought. It was also blocks from the Kennedy Estate Howard Sterns neice Pam actually got me to go Lollapalooza that summer. Kurt was supposed to play in it but they had called him in sick and then he was dead. Pam and I had known each other since we were about 12 and went to camp together. The thing is that even when it's a crime involving someone no one knows, people say oh that person is lying or crazy. People don't want to believe crime occured because makes them feel bad. And when they know it happened they don't want to be in trouble obviously It really wouldn't have been that hard to believe that celebrities were around me given where I was. But because of the abuse and that I couldn't discuss my experiences, it was quiet for a long time. It took a toll on me the hidden war, what I was subjected to and the extraordinarily traumatic events. I was mentally ill for years and years late teens I to my 20s. But when I had kids, I want going to let them be alone the way I was. I got my shit together and just stayed focused in the present If you want me to email or call you then tell me how to contact you further
@WhoKilledKurtOrg Organized crime killed River Phoenix as well. The media specializes in the art of deception as much as influencing public opinion. The art of deception is also part of war. They didn't go after Cuomo and Epstein to save the ladies and children. They went for money. Sean Combs Weinstein Epstein Maxwell Trump R Kelly got the hammer like piggy banks about to be smashed. ALL paying to none other than the Southern district of New York. Gotta pay for those lights. It was legal with a parents permission in all 50 states to marry kids and there was a statute that said there was no such thing as raping your wife. Pedophile and Rape culture was norm in all 50 states and those spousal exceptions for rape didn't come off the books until 1993. Pedo Rape culture was real and they profited off leading men into abusing kids like I was and eventually disabled young adults as I was. They could gather evidence and then hold that over the head of the man who was fooling around with a kid. They used photolayers and video editing tools and stage names and make up and drugs and lies to cover up who were and hide evidence of our identities. The government is still suppressing evidence. Look at who Epstein bought his NM ranch from NM position. I'm one of the little girls in the Miss Tomato Painting that Epstein had. That contest was run by congressman liptons wife for 60 years and they dont want to make their Tomato festival look complicit Kurt is trying to tell people here very clearly about the type of shit that's gone on x.com/ramonfonsecamor/status/1690375638215974912?t=logvWXm8YAsT8CkbrP7Wqg&s=19
Yea your right forget Kurt who cares YOUR THE REAL FOCUS HERE! DANG! your amazing I'm glad someone passed away (what's his name again?, agh who cares) NOW everyone can focus on you the real hero brother CONGRATULATIONS! Your only person who thought that he was killed LMFAO. See how your comment REALLY looks now?
@@JoshuaFante jesus dude. Are you tweaking? Get some help. You sound absolutely insane. Your comment is actually embarrassing to read. Id feel really dumb if i were you.
@@jasujokelainen5073 "There are several reasons why Tom Grant thinks Kurt Cobain was murdered. But at the core of his reasoning lies the belief that Cobain couldn’t have injected himself with such a large amount of heroin - three times a lethal dose - and then been able to shoot himself. Grant believes that even a heroin addict would’ve been incapacitated and unable to pick up a gun."
After seeing Dylan being interviewed by that british guy for that Kurt and Courtney documentary.. I knew that he knew about what happened to Kurt. His body language was so guilty.. legit looked like he was in an interrogation room.
I remember watching that movie 13 years ago and thinking he was a scumbag then. My gut for people is almost never wrong. I'm also a recovering heroin addict and he still gave me the creeps in that documentary
Yes he is a dope head. Doesn’t make him less than a person. People have their struggles and his problem can be easily manipulated to make him seem not so credible “oh he’s high af don’t listen to him”
Ppl don't understand, even saying dope heads very offensive AF, real bad choice, because he had drug problems or say drug issues c'mon. ALOT of ppl have drug problems, most ppl you don't even know have them but it's away to hide pain and struggles most the time and it's by accident, not many ppl choose it and some are the best hearted ppl and tender hearted and sensitive that's why their hurt. I can go on about it but your "dope heads" offensive, I struggle and that makes me sick, don't use needles etc but still I find it sick to say that about dead man that dudes saying they murdered too.
@@JoshuaFante I’m not exactly coining him the name, I kept seeing comments calling him one so I made my comment in response. Not meaning to offend but in a way trying to convert just because he is “negative term” doesn’t mean it’s what it’s made out to be
@@pipn9090again with the politics? You can't use nowadays wokeness shit in order to state that Kurt couldnt be a friend with someone with such a tattoo. Also do you know if Joe had already that tattoo back in the days?
This was hard for me to listen to, me being a big fan of both Earth (Dylan Carlson) and Nirvana. This man is not lying. I never believed he took his own life from the moment I heard of his death at school that morning 30 years ago.
@@christopherpoucher483Tell that to Tupac’s killer or any of the innumerable amount of people that have gone to prison based on a witness coming forward.
I’m glad people are still talking about this. I knew he was sad, as a teenager, but the circumstances surrounding it all didn’t make sense. Really conflicted, as I loved Hole as well. This year, I visited Seattle for the first time. I went to the memorial bench (emotions are bubbling up as I’m typing the words) and it was a lot for me. Seeing peoples gifts, art, tag.. whew. I had driven from the East Coast with a moonstone. As I set it next to a picture that someone placed of him, I said, ‘look at all this love. You’re missed, but not forgotten.’ I hope Francis Bean feels vindicated at the end of the truth.
Watch out for all the troll’s that are gonna end up trying to discredit this guy. Totally true story!! Too much $$ involved. Kurt was leaving Nirvana!!
I agree completely with you! I was actually looking for your comment this morning to let you know that it would be up tonight but I couldn't find it. I hate to say it but every single person that was present that night is complicit and they helped conceal a murder for 3o years. That's just my personal opinion -Lisa
@@niallhussey8023 Worked for CL as some sort of an assistant. Qualified pilot too! He danced around wearing a dress during a housesale - one of Courtney's - and told the couple buying it that he had killed Kurt!
High or not you can feel the sincerity in his words. Dylan on the other hand has always been so shady in every interview. This puts all the puzzles in place for me. Justice for Kurt
Maybe but there's no way they're going to put anyone in jail over this guys word!! Unless there's more evidence this testimony is garbage in court!! I hope they catch the basted tho!!
I feel the same way. So many of us have known for years that these people were involved, but to actually hear this man describe the details of what happened is heartbreaking. Makes me sick to my stomach 😞
@samt8164 This story has been well corroborated over the years. If Tupac can find justice from a similar era why not Kurt? There are far more witnesses and far more corroborating evidence. It's actually far more difficult to claim he 'offed himself' after even a cursory glance at the evidence.
@@kixxthemanz437 Geffen, the richest man in Hollywood who lives on two super yachts in international waters, was 'business partners' with Jeffrey Epstein through The Mega Group. Courtney is in Epstein's black book. Cornell somehow hung himself from a door knob in a kneeling position with 7 broken ribs and blood all over the bathroom shortly after signing to Geffen. Google Kurt's angry letter to Geffen months prior to his untimely demise. Who would have the money and power to bribe SPD hierarchy to instantly deem the scene a suicide? Very powerful forces at play in the shadows here and it would be very apparent to those in the midst. That Joe has spoken out at all is to be commended greatly.
@kixxthemanz437 Absolutely. If they were so worried about their friend, they should've done something. Assuming the reason was being afraid of being busted for drugs= find a payphone call the police. To just take off like that. No. There is nothing heroic about this. If he's telling the truth, he's finally talking responsibility for something he should've done years ago.
Thank you for making this channel. 😊 I love KC , when i read Tom Grant's initial investigation on the early internet in 1997, i KNEW he was murdered. Tom Grant has integrity. He risked everything to accuse CL of murder. She could've sued Tom Grant........the fact that she did not sue him tells me everything 😮😢
First off, this scared the crap out of me! Secondly, ironically I had a relationship with Cali who was my A&R at Capital. I was sending him demos and he was really digging it, then he disappeared completely right when the Kurt & Courtney film was released. Capital lied and said there was no record of him ever working there! How would I even know this man's name then? I was based in NY at the time. Anyway, here is a link to a song I wrote for Kurt called "Everything You Read", it's written as if from his perspective in the afterlife as a tribute. I hope you enjoy it and thank you so much for posting this video. Kurt needs justice! th-cam.com/video/MWvnnoSxEI8/w-d-xo.html
Junkie hanging out with Kurt at his house, heroin stuff, tv dinners, saw Kurt really upset and distressed after some guy talked to him in private, and then he's outside in the driveway, and heard a suppressed shotgun sound, got scared and got out of there. That's what I gathered. He was there when the murder plot wouldve been taking place.
Right , this dude is doped the fuck up right here , no, I’m not discrediting this guy because of his opiate blood infusion habit 😂 but I know for a fact that lowers your inhibitions and attention to detail drastically, so something of the sort could’ve taken place but I’m sure details are either altered or left to completely out if I was a producer video I’d at least tell this guy to tighten up and drink some coffee before we rolled tape 🤦♂️🤷♂️
@@SHUT-UP_MEG There's no way she would have been present. That's why people hire hitmen, so it looks like it wasn't a murder but a suicide. If it was a murder it was very well thought out.
This guy is so right. In the heroin scene there are people who will just stand by n watch someone die, n not do anything, they just continue on like nothings happening when someones oding.
But Chris Todd said Kurt was forced with more H at the basement and also hit with something so he must have been like pretty unconscious already when taken to the greenhouse. I think it would probably be a good idea to have Joe speak to a therapist or somebody like that so he can better explain what happened, he's having such a bad time man... It would also be good for him to get it properly out of his system after all these years. I don't know, I think that might help make everything clearer. Keep going and massive thank you
@@SaumBodhi Both, sure he was high when it happened and he's having trouble expressing himself as he recalls through the haze as you very well said. But also cognitive deterioration, and then trauma and fear. See how he avoids naming Kurt and speaking his mind about Dylan. That's tough, it must be painful.
The stuff about Kurt being attacked in the basement is completely unverified. Joe watched Kurt walk from the kitchen to the greenhouse so those claims completely contradict Joe's own words. Those claims allegedly come from Bonnie but when Bonnie was contacted by Chris she denied everything.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I just get lost. It'd be great to have a recap. So Kurt was at the greenhouse because he feared what and who told him? Was it Dylan that told him to stay there for protection after having plotted the plan with Courtney? And then Dylan brought 2 guys with him to do the job? But while being upstairs Kurt thought it was better if everybody left that's why he went to the basement? Is that how it happened?
I watched it again, and again, with spanish subtitles to help too, I even took some notes and I get what he says now. I was getting mixed up with Chris Todd's explanation. Thank you. Are there any more videos coming? More than 43k views in just a day...
My theory on the note in the greenhouse it was written by Kurt on the back of an ihop placemat (check out the paper with the pen through it in the soil, the edges have a round design) while he was there with Courtney before going to rehab telling his fans he was branching out from Nirvana. The bottom of the note isn’t even his writing (duh). If he didn’t stick with rehab this time and make her more money, she wanted him dead before he could leave her. Thank goodness Tom Grant spoke out when he saw this mess unfold. His trip to the house with Dylan looking for Kurt on Thursday, the night prior to the discovery, Dylan was avoiding the greenhouse even after Courtney told him to look there with Tom. She wanted his body found and Dylan didn’t want to discover this because he put Kurt there. Tom didn’t know there was a room above the garage known as the greenhouse that night. It’s about time an actual witness to the crime stepped out of the shadows. Although, we saw what happened with el Duce…he caught a late night train. So it makes sense that witnesses have been reluctant to speak all these years. #ReopenKurtsCase #JusticeForKurt
I lived next to some of his family near Ellensburg Washington and they said he was murdered. Edit.. one thing they told me was it had something to do with Kurt making a deal involving music and a night club and crooked underworld figures who wanted money.
I have only just saw this , Thank you for uploading this. I hope Joe, gets some relief from telling this. Hope things get easier for him, I've been clean for over 13 years, but this man carried all this stuff with him, I dunno if i couldda lived with that n my addiction. RIP Kurt . Luv n Prayers from Liverpool UK 🇬🇧 to Joe & all the ppl who matter. Total overhaul of the case needs to be done. ASAP 🙏
HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH. THIS IS REAL. BAM! LET’S MAKE SURE IT FINISHES THIS. Handwriting sheet and this is more than enough. Thanks to the makers, Joe, and let’s protect this man all the way out. Reach out to get on the list for Kurt tribute from LA called WeLoveYouKurt, a show with rare facts the songs we love. Let’s have a positive attitude and imagine Justice Gets Served. Come on Nirvana world!
Are you going to do fundraising? I’d like to promote a tribute show and donate whatever I can get. Maybe I need to read your textual content, to find… lemme see… @whokilledkurt
All this was known and exposed years ago and now its only coming out again, lets hope that this time it gets acted upon and its not just a distraction for all that's happening with the Diddy arrest. Rip kurt.❤
The most telling part of this story is the very beginning when he says Kurt was negotiating a new record deal. If he was planning to leave Geffen and divorce Courtney, that’s hundreds of millions of dollars they would both lose. I’ve always thought Geffen was involved. He’s got a very checkered past…Maybe the other guy with Dylan was Allen Wrench, who was ex-military and would have experience staging a murder scene. Although the name that’s out there is Danny Rich. This will probably never be investigated but it’s crazy to know what happened.
I have wondered if his management was behind it. Ifthey received funding from Geffen to cover up holes, pay people off (including thr police chief) etc.
Absolutely. I think the same. Geffen involved from all the lost money. They were going to icon Kurt and they did. The money still keeps coming for them. Courtney knew and agreed to it. She was the fall girl if it went wrong. What did she gain? Lots of money. Opportunity. Money.
@rickchyczewski576 agreed, although I wonder if it was courtney that went to them with the idea. I wouldn't be shocked if we found out Danny Goldberg was the middle man. All speculation but having been an absolutely obsessed fan of Hole, Courtney grunge and true crime for the past 30 years...Final pieces of the puzzle fall into place when you consider the operation went beyond Courtney. I didn't know he was negotiating a new record contract.
Just a tip guys, play this at 1.5 speed
Lol Protip
genius
Best comment!
Omg...thank you
Holy smokes
It has been said that 2024 is the year of truth. All that is in darkness will come to light. Justice for Kurt Cobain.
@@YxYzYx Obviously you don't want any justice and you'd rather have truth well covered up..
And for Kristen!
Okay, weirdo.
@@dreadtrain2846 You can call me weirdo too
It is the year of Karma, not truth.
Summary.
1) Joe Burns (guy speaking), Bonnie Dillard, Jennifer Adamson, Cali Dewitt, Dylan Carlson, Lee Rufor? , and other people were there.
2) Joe, Bonnie, Cali, and Jennifer were there for multiple days. Joe was doing tattoos on Cali.
3) Kurt showed up and told Joe that he was trying to avoid Courtney and people she hired to find him.....and that he just left his treatment center. Kurt said he was trying to negotiate a new music contract for music he was making on his own. (Not with nirvana) Kurt got food and water. He ate fruit and a turkey or chicken marie callendar tv dinner with mashed potatoes and stuffing.
4) Joe went to Cali's room. Kurt went to a different are of the house. (Someone had a girl in the room, I need to watch video again, I heard this the first time and thought it was about Kurt, now I believe it was about someone else?)
5) Kurt came down to the kitchen and talked to Joe and Cali about a tape he recorded. He gave Cali a copy of this tape. He wanted to release this tape under his new music label. (Solo music project with kurt playing all instruments.)
6) Dylan showed up with someone else.
2 people showed up on their own, they were likely dropped off.
7) There may have been private eyes watching the house/in the house at this time, hired by Courtney.
8) Kurt was hiding out somewhere trying not to be found by anyone. Basically sneaking around the house. Dylan and the other guy went upstairs with Kurt.
9) Cali was telling everyone to leave the house.
10) Dylan and the other guy were carrying/pushing Kurt to the greenhouse, as kurt couldn't walk on his own. Cali continues to tell Joe to leave. Joe didn't want to leave.
11) The whole night Dylan and his friend are trying to get kurt to do more dope when he clearly did not need anymore.
12) Bonnie and Cali show up with someone else. Joe wants to stay, Bonnie, who is Joe's girlfriend, wants to leave. Cali walks away for a second, Joe and Bonnie are standing by the garage when they hear a muffled gunshot.
13) Joe, Jen, Cali, and Bonnie all leave and go to Jens house.
Cali-
14) Cali wanted all witnesses out of the house and as far away as possible.
Dylan-
15) Dylan and Joe grew up together? Joe says Dylan is smart, but you shouldn't trust Dylan with someone who is overdosing. Dylan can do something horrific and wouldn't be bothered at all. Dylan has a morbid curiosity.
The Note-
16) Someone read Joe the note before his body was discovered.
Edit* The question mark❓next to something means I'm not sure if I heard him correctly, and I could be wrong.
Thank you!
That's exactly what I got from it. Thank you. I hope Kurt gets justice one day.
Thanks mate!
Thank you
Thank you. I mean fuckin' thank you!!
Just cause he's an addict doesn't make him a liar.
It makes him a lowlife. Kurt was no doubt killed by a bunch of jealous addicts. He was probably one of them, but I'd look to Cali & Dylan.
The fact that he's close to overdose in the interview makes him unreliable to any agency
People get paid to talk that BS. Look how many Klicks that video generates.
He's sober just had a hard life
@@wirrwarr808Nobody asked him or anyone at the house, he just figures why not help himself if he says the story they throw him away write a book become the hero. All he's saying
just because you're paranoid, dont mean they're not after you...
All time classic line.
I think that’s exactly what it means! lol that’s why it called being paranoid!!! Man you a bright one uh???
Who are they? And usually it does mean no one is after you, that's how paranoia works.
@@frankdeal7260 "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you" ,,,,,,,,,,are lines to the lyrics of "Territorial Pissings". a song by Kurt Cobain,,,,,,, but you knew that. "MAN YOU A BRIGHT ONE UH???"
@@davidhunt1350 well no shit lol
I have always believed Kurt was murdered
Me too
Yes, he was.
He wasn't
Yuppers
First concert I ever saw was nirvana in Vancouver
As an ex-addict I recognise the place he’s in giving the interview. Don’t blame the guy, I’d be a mess too if I was left knowing I was there when Kurt was murdered and had to live with that for the rest of my life. ✌🏼 RIP Kurt gone but never to be forgotten.
If he was there why didn’t he get murdered also?
Is the guy speaking high?
@@philup6274 He is absolutely high. And he has obviously been on dope for many years. Many longtime junkies speak as Joe (the guy) does.
@@philup6274more telling if he is- he couldn’t fabricate this story!!
@@philup6274Of course man. That's what someone who is nodding on opiates looks like. He's moderately to highly "in his zone". I know. I started at 15 and stopped at 36. Looks as if he's also done some long term prison bids. You usually wouldn't get that tattoo on your head unless you're representing a "White Power" movement. He's also missing an arm. I know multiple severe IV addicts who have gotten bad infections which led to different conditions in which they lost an arm or limb. I'm not saying that's what happened but it's highly possible. Living that lifestyle though, so are a lot of other things that could have caused it.
Holy fuck I just realized this was just posted hours ago! This is next fucking level!!!
Impossible for anyone that high on H to make everything he just said up. And him telling the story with his eyes closed is a tell tale sign of someone retelling the events as he is remembering them happen 30 years ago and high on H. This man just told the world what really happened to Kurt Cobain. I 💯% believe he was there and it happened like he told it. (Close enough anyway and for a lifer drug addict trying to recall the events of 30 years ago i think he told it exactly the way his weakened state allowed him to. OPEN THIS CASE BACK UP PLEASE!!!
As an recovered addict I absolutely agree with you. No way I could ever make up a story like this while high but could surely retell an actual event
@@nathanielball365 my thoughts exactly
Go away. You’re hilarious.
He's a fake
Hilarious LOL. Go smoke another bowl. His eyes are closed, that means he is remembering lol. #1. Thats no different than saying he had his eyes closed to make up a story. #1a - his eyes are closed for most of the talking and not all of his talk is a recount, or something to remember. Be better, man, Jesus.
Kurt blew his head off. It didnt work in Italy so he took the sure way out.
He left a suicide note. Yes... it was written in his hand writing and nobody made him write it.
I mean no disrespect towards Kurt. I was there as a fan since Bleach. I remember the spot on the road that I was driving on when I heard about his death on the radio. I was 21 when he died.
As for your friend here.... unfortunately for him, he has zero credibility.
The world missed out new Kurt Cobain material, Kurt’s daughter missed out on having a father. Never felt right with the narrative Kurt committed suicide, too many red flags. I believe this man Joe and he needs protecting, sounds awful what Kurt went through at the end. Dylan the rat along with Courtney and others involved need to be sentenced, case need reopening asap
If anyone killed Kurt, it was the record label wanting to invoke the Death Clause in his contract. Dylan definitely wasn't involved in any way, besides giving him dope. Neither was El Duce. Courtney benefited, and she's totally a psychopath, but she didn't hire anybody to kill him. Either he just did it himself, or it was the record label.
@@vishkavishovski300 I’m certainly not one who believes any bs or follows any narrative, mainly i follow my own intuition. Whats it to you anyway? Not a bot are ya?
@@vishkavishovski300 i said i believe this man. Because i said ppl need to be sentenced doesn’t mean i’m accusing any individual of the actual murder, try not to wet the bed
@vishkavishovski300 fucking right. Blaming a widow. These ghouls can't help themselves. What fucking loser blames the ones left behind? It's sick and just wrong. Most of these losers were not even around when this happened. Like she was some junkie mastermind and tricked the police and the extreme media attention. Oh and she had a 1yr old. It's terrible.
@@vishkavishovski300 Everyone knows Cortney Love was involved in some way in Kurt's murder.
Finally, does everyone understand how significant all this is. I've grown old waiting for the testimony that makes everything gel and I can finally say 100 percent. All those red flags, suspicious details. This pieces all of them together and within the timelines. Calis only access to money and dope is Kurt's CCard that is just recently cancelled. Kurt fired Cali just prior. Calis 400 dollar a day habit gets cut off suddenly and Courtney "sends him to rehab" with 30k in cash? Or she gave 30k and his his ass for a while. And Dylan, think a best friend whose habit and rent are covered by Courtney wouldn't turn on his buddy? She told those two that Kurt was bailing and getting clean and they'd be left with the agony of withdrawal with no income and no where to go. And Tom Grant's little details on Dylan all the sudden taking calls and orders from Courtney, and he interviewed him afterwards at the house with Courtney and Dylan is totally blitzed, which he hadn't seen Dylan that way until afterwards.
This is what I needed after all these years, I just needed a witness narrative of the actual moment that just so happens to fit all those weird details and red flags. His story doesn't conflict with any of it, in fact it makes it all come together as this was an evolving situation that Courtney had to make adjustments to in real time and this story fits all the complexities. Calis note to Kurt, God it all fits. And he's struggling to speak, not struggling with the order of things. Without this testimony, it's all circumstantial, but after this significant telling, it all turns into solid real world motive and opportunity. Courtney told them two, Kurt's bailing the marriage and you guys, OR we do this together and the prenup is void, I get it all, and you two guys stay provided and on the payroll since I'll have all the funds to myself
Yup, and there is another person out there that can ad to this story. Someone who was also loosely involved. El Duche, the lead singer of The Mentors. Courtney went to him first and offered him 50g and he refused. The guy who pulled the trigger is a friend of his named Mike.
@@chriscameron723 El Duche was hit by a train after that.
@@chriscameron723bro that whole thing is not true that was some performance artist who made that up it's absolutely not true look into it a little harder
@@chriscameron723unless your ironically saying it and your irony didn't come through the internet very well
How can anyone be that callous. And arrogant. To think you can just erase someone to get what you want. And concoct such a plan, manipulating the weaknesses of others.
I just don’t understand what the daily mental landscape of that kind of person would be. What a sick, twisted hell. What a pathetic waste of a human being.
I just don’t have the words or comprehension.
I didn't believe a word of this at first but the more i watch the more I'm starting to believe this guy. He's got no reason to lie after all these years & my gut tells me he knows his time is limited so he's clearing his conscience before he meets his maker.
There's a Reddit thread from a year ago talking about how Dylan Carlson and Mark Lanegan feel indebted to Courtney for supporting them "morally and financially" in the years subsequent to Kurt's death. While not a smoking gun to support this story outright, it does incontrovertibly point to the possibility leaving only the question as to Josef's motivations for telling this story: Because it is (a) True, or, (B) He has an axe to grind for not getting a cut of the support. The case for the former outweighs the latter when one considers the papertrail of years of evidence, corpses, and negligent initial investigation.
He still not telling the whole truth
not saying he's 100% lying but there are a million possible reasons some dude you don't know could be making something up
@@jonmichael02302 no reason to lie huh? Money and fame are often sought after by people. Ever heard of it? More like, there was no reason to not tell this story YEARS ago.
@@AlienGirl24 perhaps to avoid incriminating himself.
17:42 same. It always has hurt my head and heart wondering why the police didn’t do a proper investigation. His recollection is the most accurate based on evidence found at the scene. He’s filling in the pieces we knew were there but ignored. Thank you for releasing this interview ❤❤
They where paid not too, cops are usless
Because they were paid not to. Courtney had connections apparently.
I had an email exchange with Cali DeWitt back in 2009. I had my suspicions about his role in Kurt's death so I after a few emails I outright told him I was sure he was involved and he told me to "keep fighting the good fight". He's an arrogant condescending prick who feels bulletproof. If I were to ever wind up with absolutely nothing to lose (God forbid) I'd love to pay those guys a visit.
What's his email address?
That's insane! I too knew him but this was back in 95 or 96, read my comments above.
People are still not getting this... Courtney, like Cali are protected!!!!! Courtney suggested getting Kurt whacked to Geffen, as he realised that Cobain was going to be a problem to him financially if he remained alive!!! All his band mates are assholes who are covering their own asses because of the money and probable threats to their lives.
@@aberdeenlizards Not seeing your comments, I know that youtube will randomly delete them so you may want to repost if its significant info. Ostensibly it looks like a suicide but the totality of evidence (largely the tapes) seems to suggest the possibility that it was in fact staged in my view. What's the difference between a crime scene and the scene of a self inflicted overdose? How difficult is it to add in a gun to fit with all the pre existing photo shoots or lyrics involving guns? A whole lot of money would have been at stake if he was planning on leaving her, for several people not just one person.
@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station Geffen has motive too, don't forget. Google Kurt's angry letter to him. Cornell ended up dead with 9 broken ribs, blood spatters all over the bathroom and somehow 'offed himself' off a doorknob from a kneeling position shortly after signing to Geffen, the richest man in Hollywood and business partner to Jeffrey Epstein in The Mega Group.
I would absolutely hate coming home to a bunch of junkies living in my house 24/7. Yea, a party now and then is cool, but Rando’s coming and going all the time…HELL NO
@@mandyjuelz it's important to keep in mind that Kurt was used to that lifestyle. We have to keep in mind that Kurt was a seasoned addict no matter how hard it is for us to accept that fact.
I mean this well, but friend, do you realize what a leftist statement that is?
And this is how it always is though: the whole utopian principle when practiced equates to you, the one who provides, being completely overrun w/ junkies and dopamine freaks of various stripes such that you become a stranger in your own home.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgeverybody in Seattle was used to that lifestyle back then. Trying to integrate myself into normal life later on was hard because my language and lifestyle was so abrasive for normal people it took years to tone it down so I could just live a normal life. There's a point when you're too old to be the craziest guy in the room!
tHE randos turn everything to sht.
I can relate.... It's a different world.
"There but for the grace of GOD go I"...
They have said the amount of drugs he took there was no way he'd be able to hold that gun to shoot himself.
“They” did not say that. Only Tom Grant said it. Medical records abound that disprove this notion.
some have done 3× that amount and drove to work. shouldn't speak to things you have no experience in ✌️
What isn’t it also stated that the gun was cleaned afterwards?
@sitindogmas kurt just got out of rehab with several days clean.
You know nothing!
With his tolerance low the amount of drugs in his system would have rendered him unconscious. Gouging out as we call it.
I'm talking from experience. 24 years clean.
And it was a retired coroner who said that the amount was substantially a OD.
@@straightreject2947I was clean for 2 years and my tolerance barely went down so I doubt a heavy user such as himself would have lost a tolerance after a few days.
It's just my observation but it seems like Kurt figured out what they were doing and repeatedly tried to come back downstairs but he was so messed up he couldn't fight them any longer and was forced back to the greenhouse. I can't imagine what was going through his mind.
He was super high acc. to Joe.
@gutekzpoligonu Right. Perhaps he was so messed up he couldn't even think at that point. It's hard to say how coherent he was but was enough to try to escape from these guys. And just couldn't any longer. I hope Dylan and Cali are arrested. Please for the love of God someone arrest these murderers
Yes so fucking sad…probably the guys were so surprised he even made it past that first dose
They gave him the First dose (he had some by himself of course, then he got a "huge" one from Dylan or the people with him, not the deadly One, still It was enough to make him incapacitated) Then they literally grabbed him into the greenhouse
@@alessiomatzuzzi846 In the autopy his uncle revealed he had a copy of in recent months it refers to damage to his penis and an open wound on his leg. That would be more consistent with him being dragged up the stairs to the greenhouse? We learned years ago the greenhouse was also locked from the outside. No fingerprints anywhere, not even on the needle he shot 3x a lethal dose of and put the cap back on before neatly returning it to his stash box. Zero fingerprints on the note, then pen he supposedly wrote it with or the shotgun longer than his torso. Zombie Kurt sure was busy.
Kurt came to my house in Fremont by the blinking Fire Signal light a few times. Once with Grohl, Arm, and Cornell. Kurt was cool. I told him about my older brother, named Kurt, and Cobain dug that. He knew my neighbor, Scott, who played in a Seattle acoustic band. RIP Kurt and Chris.
Chris Cornell is another who didn't take his own life I hope we justice for Kurt and Chris Cornell I've never believed either on of them took their own life.
@@ozman6602 as much as I believe Kurt was murdered - Chris was not. He wasn't about to uncover pedos with Chester and Bourdain. He was savagely depressed. You could see it in his eyes and it just got worse in the last 12 months of his life - every photo his eyes get.sadder and sadder. He never got over the death of his best friend Andy Wood.
That's seriously cool man.
My brother was there as a paramedic for Chris Cornell.
He didn't believe it was suicide either.@@ozman6602
@ozman6602 I don't believe Chris strangled himself as he was overdosing either. The video in the hall of the hotel was missing. He had been talking to Vicki and was falling asleep. He told Vicky he thought he took an extra pill. He was out of it. Its so messed up
last couple minutes are chilling by the sounds of his tone. this and so much more evidence needs to result in action! justice for kurt
He's on point about the sound profile of a shotgun being quieter than rifle or pistol. That's wild, this man is probably telling the truth about this situation or got a lot of experience shooting guns. Most people, even regular shooters, never notice the difference between sound in shotguns vs rifles or pistols. Shotgun is a lower pressure round than common rifle and pistol calibers, 20ga like what was used is going to require less gunpowder and have a slightly less pressure/sound at the muzzle . If it was a low recoil load it would be even quieter because most are subsonic and do not make a supersonic crack that is unrelated to the sound of the initial muzzle blast. Putting the barrel in someone's mouth when fired would make it even quieter. I specialized in custom shotgun work for 9 years. There is a lot behind that sound comment. That's not a detail someone would think to add to a lie, in my opinion.
It think it's also common knowledge it was a lighter Guage shotgun and his head was intact so it's not that's impressive he added this detail IMO
How is it Kurt's hand was grasping the barrel though. That part I don't understand. Cadaveric spasm I think it's called.
I’ve been saying this for years. I 100% believe that Cobain was murdered. I continue to sit back and wait patiently for this to come to light. It’s not a matter of if. It’s a matter of when. I’ll wait.
@mikecreery7666 The dude misspoke. He obviously was there. We know he was there. Everyone else who was at that house has mentioned him being there. This guy is verifiably part of that circle of people who visited that house and all hung out getting high together. I'm not sure what you think your "gotcha" is here; Dylan mentioned him being there in interviews, we know for a fact he was hanging at the house around the time kurt died. You've spammed this comment section with that reply when it's *one* misspoken detail about a place where there's *no* debate as to whether or not he was present. He was there, whether or not his story is accurate. His one misspoken faded mistake about the lake doesn't invalidate the rest of his story lol
Courtney 100% Had Kurt killed.
@@mikecreery7666 “experienced” is crazy way to describe being a former junkie.
il duce don't lie 😂
Anyone that truly knows Kurt Cobain has been saying this 1000% Kurt was Murdered - That man Did Not Kill Himself!!!!! If what he says is true about him hiding out trying to renegotiate a new deal for himself, "without Chris & Dave for Nirvana" that means the suspect list got bigger than just Courtney Love... 🤨🤨🤨🤔😡
This is genuinely surreal, heartbreaking, and infuriating to hear the details. Pretty much what the theories suggested but to actually hear what happened that night after 30 years, this is heavy
I feel the same. It’s very hard to hear; it’s hard to take knowing that happened to Kurt and he didn’t deserve any of that… I mean no one does, but damn, him?!!?? Why!?? I still have so many questions
How can you understand what the hell he's saying? All I hear is uh, and Kurt, and upstairs, and uh and uh those guys and uh Courtney and Cali. I don't mean to sound mean
@@nogrecords I mean, yeah, but eventually, he does say stuff
agreed.... it finally hit me. i watched 3 videos and was just like.... fuck.... this guy- heroin addict then (and now) and nodding or not- is telling the truth. I dunno. I can judge character pretty well. I can read addicts as well... and I was a junkie for about15 years that I consider blackout years now.... I can tell when people are being honest most of the time, I'd like to think. hard to figure someone through a screen, but Joe seems pretty sincere, and he has nothing to really gain and everything to possibly lose by divulging this info.
one thing i am wondfering now.... how many of these people are even still alive? I highly doubt seattle pd does shit with this... tom grant is a worm.... and i dunno how many of these people could be called to testify or even questioned if they're dead. I tried to look them up but just got obituaries for other people w/ the same name....
I WAS EXTREMELY YOUNG WHEN KURT DIED AND I REMEMBER IMMEDIATELY GOING TO MY MOM VERY UPSET AFTER FINDING OUT...I TOLD HER THERE WAS NO WAY HE KILLED HIMSELF AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR 3 DECADES. I'M GLAD YOU FINALLY CAME FORWARD JOSEF...THANK YOU.
Caps lock on or just angry?
@mikecreery7666 I TOOK HIS WORDS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, BUT AT LEAST HOPEFULLY THIS WILL OPEN UP SOME DOORS AND HELP FIND OUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THESE FACTS, I APPRECIATE IT. IT JUST BREAKS MY HEART THAT HE WAS AND STILL IS LABELED AS A SUICIDE WHEN I STILL BELIEVE THAT IS BS.
@@pyrettablaze0414 SORRY, NO ANGER HERE. I HAVE ALWAYS WRITTEN, TEXTED, AND TYPED IN ALL CAPS SINCE I WAS A KID. 😊
@@mikecreery7666Right. He shouldn’t have said Greenlake. But I think that was just misspeaking. He’s clearly nervous. However, that being said, these details should be taken with a grain of salt but some important details might still be very much true…
SAME!!!!! I FRIGGIN KNEW IT
Can we just all agree Courtney had it done and we LET HER WALK THIS EARTH????
Exactly
Dave grohl makes millions off two people who died mysteriously! Curt and Taylor
Let's not forget Dave
It sounds as though Kurt was going to go solo.Strange how the Foo Fighters got Mahoosive very,very quickly.Grohl is dodgy AF
@@BeefSupreme-vk9sz I always thought Dave have something to do with it! Especially his first album seems like stolen from Kurt. this song "i ll steak around" definitely Kurt wrote about Courtney...Kurt wanted divorce...And even now the way Grohl speaking about Kurt, is so fake. Its easy to see he didn't really like Kurt and probably was envious coz he wanted to be a front man. Who knows maybe Dave and Courtney were lovers?
Thank you so much Joe
For finally getting the truth out there and telling a lot of us who never believed Kurt killed himself what we had always suspected.
Now please stay safe.
xxx
Thank God for Joe Burns! And all the people who have been working on this!!!
This was sick and I could feel the evil from his story…Hes obviously deeply affected knowing he could not intervene at the thought of being killed maybe just being a silent coward, either way all the people there knew what was going down, besides this guy. Imagine Kurt chilling thinking about his future only to have your best friend trick you into your death.
Dylan either tricked him into doing H or he and the other dude forced into Kurt’s body. Maybe we’ll learn more if there’s ever a trial
@@MrBleworchid Men like Dylan aren't evil, just totally 1000 percent both dependent on drugs and also absolute cowards, bare minimum he's a terrible friend. But an active participant in the murder only to the extent he would be guaranteed not to lose drug connects/quantities going forward. As for the rest of them yeah for sure. But even in that "best case" scenario he's still complicit and a guilty scumbag period.
IT WOULD BE AMAZING TO SEE COURTNEY LOVE IN PRISON WHERE SHE BELONGS
Dylan and Courtney will be remembered in history for having organized and killed one of the most gifted musicians of the 20th century. Remembered as the biggest scumbags of the previous century
Calli and Renne as well
Will they? Most people still believe he committed suicide. If there's no evidence to proof Joe's claims everything will just stay the same.
@@jamie.777 why would you even say that?
BULL SHIT COURTNEY COULDNT ORGANIZE A DENTAL APPOINTMENT, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A H JUNKIE?
@@jamie.777 I think you mean junkie not junky so maybe pay attention in school because I know “junkies” that are far more intelligent than you. Also every one rips off someone’s riffs rather they know it or not but Kurt were come closer to ripping off punk riffs than Tony immoi. So your comment just shows your ignorance. I also don’t think Kurt is some amazing musician or song writer. Good band but not at all what people make it all out to be and if Kurt wouldn’t have been killed (or whatever) I really don’t think nirvana would have the mainstream success they have.
His story got more and more credible as he continued. Very similar to the depiction of events in Last Days. I'm glad Joe Burns finally got this off his chest and on the record. I don't know his life history but it seems like a miracle he is still alive. I'm sure CL wasn't expecting that. Hopefully someone can find a way to get Dylan and Cali subpoenaed and forced to sit for an interview/deposition but I am very doubtful of that ever happening.
they would plead the 5th all the way through.
Thank you, Joe Burns. You are such a hero, and it doesnt matters if 30 years have passed away, it takes guts.
And thanks Bonita even if you don't come forward to the public we appreciate what you told Erik & Todd etc all the investigators/TH-camrs
100% Thank you Joe Burns for coming forward. Such an incredibly hard thing to do, but we are so grateful you did.
It does matter lmfao. He should have told this story back in 94. It's not going to do much know.
@@Momo4060i sure that would be nice but I mean obviously they were scared and for good reason.. Kurt killed, El duce probably killed.. and also they might've been paid off.. or benefiting in different ways .. so and you know the police didn't investigate so they probably felt helpless... Probably felt like Courtney could control everyone and that they shouldn't talk .. she's not as scary these days ... And more people know about what really happened
Hero, really? Come on now let’s get real.
Something one of the detectives said, Kurt could not have shot himself for a couple of reasons. He's got too much dope in his system to be able. Also he didn't have 3 foot long arms to reach the trigger
Wasn’t there a documentary stating that either the gun or the drugs were cleaned up as well?
He could have used his toe
@@zacharymcneely6039and then put his converse shoes back on after he was dead?
While he was way too high to have offed himself, it has been proven tons of times that you can use that specific shotgun to self forever sleep yourself. You don't need 3 foot long arms, you don't need some super strange positioning. You just need determination. I think whoever first said it wasn't possible was hinting that it was a murder without coming out and saying it all the way. Kurt was clearly killed by someone. But it's entirely possible if he was sober to have done it or have someone else basically manipulate his body to "do it to himself"
6 foot tall people literally have 3 foot arms
I am going to write this as short and clearly as possible: I DON'T know what happened, I do not know who to believe but what i do know is that in any case, this case needs to be reopened and looked at so people can get peace (either way).
Didn't they reopen it a few years ago and determine the same outcome?
@@copperwopper6429 You are right and i should have clarified that the case needs to be opened from a separate district.
Having Seattle to investigate Seattle has been the problem from day one. Makes as much sense as Microsoft investigating Bill Gates for whatever.
I believe the theory was, that he was in an un-aliving mood but couldn't carry it out, so hired someone to un-alive him. He did leave an un-aliving note behind.
@@VenturiLife I have never heard that theory but i guess you could be right also. People in that mental state can do irrational things so it can be possible.
@@mikecreery7666 you could be absolutely right or you could be crazy. I have trouble remembering 5 years ago let alone 30. it could be a lie and i absolutely agree that this seems suspect but the overarching argument still remains. Who knows what really happened. All we want is an objective answer.
Wow. Geeze. Im just sick now. Kurt even mentioned he was starting a solo career. Obviously wasnt thinking of doing anything to himself. I truely hope something is done this time. Poor Joe. Hes definitely a hero for doing this. I see it was rough for him but finally someone told the truth. We now know. These people need to be arrested. Like now.
We got robbed of him. It would've been incredible to see what kind of career he could've had.
@lillaurap He would've done great solo. Perhaps Kurt Cobain unplugged. Some solo albums and more than likely a nirvana reunion at some point kinda like alot of bands do or like they did awhile ago with the female singers only with Kurt.
We were greatly robbed.
@@lillaurapand how good of a father he would have been.. he woulda done just fine solo.. he wanted to be like Bob Dylan; write songs for other people to sing cuz he was tired of the popularity…. 😢
@@lillaurapwe were robbed !!!
Could have been beautiful. And his daughter would have had a loving father!
This is heartbreaking, This event affected me so much as a kid... I hope they arrest Courtney, DeWitt, and Carlson.. they used and betrayed Cobain. :'(
I knew this was gonna be hard but what a punch in the gut. It effected alot of us especially my brother who was a bigger Nirvana fan than I at the time.
It’s opening old scars and they need to be taken accounted for. Kurt can’t do the justice himself
This man is the only one with courage to come out and speak about this when it’s plain to see all the others were there at the house. They are all too underhanded, parasitic and cowardly to do the right thing and speak out about the inconsistencies that occurred around the time of Kurt’s death.
@harrymonk6 When you have more than 1 witness it pretty much is That's how they solve crimes by eyewitness testimony. Next step is the authorities.
@@Leftcrowproductions we got em
This guy is still heavily into smack or opiates, just like Kurt was back then. However that does not mean he's lying. I was a heavy user and there are periods that I don't really have a clear memory of but there are other things that occurred that I have a crystal clear memory of. Those things that I do have a clear memory of are all violent and intense situations. Any trauma tends to sear itself into your mind forever.
I was also a heavy user, clean now but it gets dirty
Now that I have a minute. I come from Johannesburg in South Africa. The heroin here is mixed with something that eats flesh. I almost lost both arms and hands. I was told by my best friend at the time who is now in treatment, ( Jude you using this all wrong) till he got desperate and bought from the same guy. I have been a user on and off for 22 years and one of three to survive a group of around thirty. As much as we loved eachother and as much as it took us a minute that one of us was gone next day we move on. You get so sick without it it's almost a parasite that lives in you that is so powerful it grips every facet of one's life and others around you. It's horrific. Now it was for the most part all a blur but I slept on the street so had to be vigilant and I saw everything. Guys from organ harvesting on the homeless to a man carrying a cross on his back for Christmas. I found out there really truely was a man who did this in our country for some or other cause but let me tell you one thing. As much as I tried to get onto oblivion everynight adrenaline and I guess after all I saw ai made a point to stay awake and only sleep in the day. I remember everything. Every traumatic or near death or someone's death close or far to me I remember it and can go back there with ballpoint accuracy when I'm sober to the point it'll shock you. I believe him. Sober him up he already lost an arm he isn't a play house user. And you will get your coherent version of what happened to Curt. Or it can be that this man is a sensationalist and wants media attention. I think as far away as attention can find me that's where I want to be.he is genuine.
no chance at all he was there with all these people, he was alone.
Who’s gonna show Dave and Krist and what are THEY gonna say?!
Prayers for Frances.
Dave’s a fake ass nice guy. Who’s really just a narcissist. He don’t a give a fck.
@@marsoblivi0n945 Yeah I can see why Kurt was trying to get away from him
They know anyway
They are well aware that he was murdered
“I had no hand in your ever desperate plan, it returns and when it lands, words are due” - I’ll Stick Around
Dave was telling us from the start
honestly him being high IS what makes me believe him more. you cant fabricate a story with details like that while on the verge of nodding off.
Hiw do you know he’s high?
@@YaBoySkellyhis voice is a dead giveaway, tell tale signs of opioid use. Your vocal chords get dry.
@@YaBoySkelly If you ever done heroin methadone xanax all of that shit mixed together and the Thorazine shuffle he is SO high dude it probably took 2 days to make that video cause he nodded off and passed out so many times, If you honestly don't know that this man is junked out then good for you stay away from that kind of stuff and people like that it obviously speaks volumes about you In a positive way, I never was that bad But I have a friend that I haven't spoke to in years as probably dead as we speak and I'm not lying about that I had to just stop hanging out with him even though I just like to visiting every now and then but the last time he died twice and they brought him back to life And hit him 3 times with the narcan and he went right back home and just did more, So yeah this dude is high! so so high, It's sad to say that I've never met anyone personally that has ever been that bad that has ever bounced back from that
@@mikecreery7666he high a d dieing of medical issues pending death mabey he got it mixed up man
@@YaBoySkellybro
This is off topic but it’s worth noting that Aspirin Feast is/was a killer punk/metal band- I have zines from the 90’s with articles on them (alongside Mortician, Abhorrence, Derketa, Funeral Nation etc). Joe is the real deal and not some kind of poser or hanger-on, he was there when the underground was actually underground and not online.
It sounds strange but I feel that this fact only lends credibility to him in my mind.
@@HeidiCFranksWoah! Small world! The zine I’m referring to was called Peardrop. I’ll see if I can find it in the garage here.
Jesus said: aspirin feast only 5 bucks at the door. Seen em at the ok hotel on the Seattle waterfront.
No that makes a lot of sense, thanks man. Also sheds some light on Kurt's persistent fascination w/ more extreme music. Always seemed a bit touristy to me, but he clearly knew some serious people.
I was good friends with Jennifer Adamson. Shortly after Kurt's passing, she moved back to Montana, where I live. At that time, I received a phone call from someone claiming to be her friend in Seattle. The person pleaded with me to keep an eye on her and not let her find any dope. I have no idea how they knew who I was, let alone have my number. I did my best, and for a short while, she seemed to be fine. One night, we had plans to get together. She ghosted me and was found alone in her mom's place. I was devastated. A week later, her mom was killed in an " accident"!!! I found the whole thing extremely strange. She talked about Kurt, but never about his death. I lost a friend, and it all seemed so bizarre. I always suspected there were things happening she refused to talk about.
@@chrisalexander5134 can you email me? justice@whokilledkurt.org
You can’t make up a story like this or keep it straight being that high on smack. He is telling the truth
Yeah you can. Especially if they think telling the story will get them more dope.
@@AliceBowie nope. no motivation for more dope whilst currently on the dope.
t. knower, seer, and feeler
It wears off. Every junkie is always thinking about there nrxt fix no matter how high they sre@jabronilifestyle
sure you can
@@fungi42o0 not on dope you can't. It's not happening.
t. knower, seer, and feeler
Dear God. Poor Kurt. Surrounded by all that evil & duplicity
@@alexv1190 You are the one who is lying here.
he wanted what they had
Whats that? @@jjames05
Kurt was having moments of clarity when he was off the heroin long enough. He knew Courtney was acting strangely toward him. But he didn't think anyone would believe him when he said he thought his wife was trying to kill him. If you gather up all the interviews from all of the drug connections like Joe & the girls, the P.I., the local law enforcement, and most importantly, Courtney, you'll develop a bigger picture of what transpired in those days before Kurt's death. Cali was Courtney's ex - why was he Frances' "nanny"? Courtney has had more than one male companion die... she's had 4 or 5 close male friends die. She had a habit of returning to LA to strip after each traumatic event.
@@treehuggerdeluxe5598 there is definitely a long list of bodies surrounding her isn't there?
Anyone that has a brain and truly loved Kurt Cobain knows this guy is being honest about it.
Also her bass player lets not forget she killed her too
@pucknhusker9426 YES! Kurt was planning on leaving Courtney for her & work with her. She is said to be a "REAL" musician unlike Courtney who everyone else basically carried. She's a terrible singer, mediocre musician (being generous, here) & she got very angry at Kurt when he wouldn't give her a guitar riff he came up with "No, go make your own." She couldn't because she sux.
@@onesunnyday5699 I think your right in all your saying 👌
Tom Grant really helped push this forward, thank you for this.
The trajectory of the shell, the forged handwriting from c*ney, map of the house, el duche, everything, always knew was a murder.
And El Duche getting killed after telling about Courtney trying to hire him to kill Kurt.
I don't believe that was an accident.
@@truthseeker2321 No shit, Sherlock!
@leannecampbell4551 You know it, and I know it, but there's many people who believe it was just a "coincidence.""
The Case needs to be reinvestigated.
Courtney has probably paid so many people off… ugh
@@LaurenOliviArt 🥂
My heart goes out to this man for his loss and trauma and also much respect to him for breaking his silence! This is no disrespect or judgement because I'm an ex addict myself. BUT, it was almost hard to get thru the video because the H had him nodding and stuttering most of the time. Or whatever it was that had him faded
I think he's speeballing meth and fent. Hence all the movement too. (ex-addict myself)
If you look at his fingers and his hand he has severe heart disease and fluid retention.
I think this is a confession of the nights events because he knows he doesn’t have long to live
I noticed this, too 😢. Sad. He's already lost at least 1 arm, possibly a leg, too since it looks like he's in a wheelchair & has a wristband on. Is it a medical wristband?
I agree. He knows he doesn't have much time left and has nothing to lose anyways. So sad 😢
That's what happens to your circulatory system when you shoot up drugs for the majority of your life!🤔
I know a lot of junkies with swollen hands it’s because of IV use
It’s a bacteria infection most of the time. And damage from missing and poking.
There's a book called Love and Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain and it details everything leading up to his death in great detail, including how Courtney tried to hire people to kill him. The book is based on recordings from the p.i. and hired. I highly recommend it.
I was very skeptical about this, but there are so many small details that this guy is talking about that just cannot be made up. It is so sad to listen to this story. Kurt Cobain was a legend.
Until I read Hank Harrison’s book about 6 months ago, I never questioned Dylan’s place in the official narrative of Kurt’s murder. He was Kurt’s “best friend”. Kurt had even played w Dylan’s band,Earth- even giving it a shout out on a 1990 single, Dive. He can’t possibly have betrayed Kurt or bought the gun without Kurt and said he was there to eliminate his culpability and promote the suicide narrative, can he? Oh fuck yeah he can! If the Dylan piece comes out of the hideous Jenga stack of The Cobain Conspiracy, the entire tower falls. It took a while, ok a long ass time to see that but it’s the critical piece that lets everything come into focus and make sense. I’d love to see true justice prevail and for Dan and Dylan to get jail time but the truly important thing to me is for the bs suicide story to once and for all DIE -to make a pun. Kurt was murdered- plain and simple. All the copycat kids who self deleted using his death as a reason deserve better. Let’s make that happ3n now!
@@ghetto_yeti Well, what does Hank say about him? I think we had the same opinion about Dylan.
Who's Dan? Danny Goldberg?
I couldn't agree more bud. Dylan bought the mother fucker, his name on it. It all comes together when you see Dylan as suspect.
As well as the deterring T.Grant from the greenhouse or not mentioning it rather.
Alot of compromising and improvising in this case sadly.
Everyone from addicts, to coroners probably even the PD.
My brother's murderer claimed to be his best friend. Guess what? His real best friend never lied, disappeared, nor was investigated and charged with murdering him. His real best friend watches over me, his sister, to this day.
I remember this dude. He was in Aspirin Feast. Damn, he lookin pretty rough. I think he's legit though.
You can contact Seattle PD via their website and submit a General Information Request and inquire what they plan to do in light of this information. You can also contact the Seattle District Attorney's office and inquire. Couldn't hurt.
SPD has SO much more to worry about RN than Kurt
@@elizabethstevenson9881 we have presented an extensive case challenge to the SPD. Their headquarters are currently closed to the public and they're extremely understaffed. Unfortunately, this will be very low on their priority list.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Take it to the DA.
@@elizabethstevenson9881 we've taken it to the SPD, mayor, King county prosecutor and the city attorney.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Nice.
This was published on the full moon in Pisces..too right. Thank you for your courage, coming out, dear Sir.💜🖤I’m sure Kurt appreciates you telling the Truth & is smiling down on you.
Come on Michael "Cali" Dewitt, Dylan Carlson, Jessica hopper, Bonnie Dillard someone else needs to start talking i mean this was supposed to be your friend and you have not let this man rest yet because they wanna keep thr fuckey and lies going. Just tell the truth and let him rest let his legacy be set right finally!!!
If p diddy got arrested why can't jay z, beyonce, Oprah and courtney love go down for all the crimes?
And GEFFEN, the man behind the curtain.
If they don't maybe we should
You know why
Trust me, they dont have enough room in jail for the celebrities involved with stuff like this
Probably not in the "club"
Listening to it a few times….. why did Dylan forget about the greenhouse and not take Tom grant there…. Well because he damn well knew Kurt was dead up there because he was part of it! It’s hard to listen to but this guys story does fill in some blanks!!
Lanegan was with them as well, and yes, he made sure in his bio to emphasize the importance of the greenhouse and he told himself “he can’t be up there”
not weird at all that Lanegan died at his home kinda mysteriously with no cause of death ever given!
Yes wasn't he with Kurt when they purchased the buck shotgun. And the one who placed the receipt back on his person.
Carson didn't necessarily "forget". It was a large estate and wasn't his. He was a junky just like this dude.Grant was the PI and didn't check the greenhouse.
@@ShipchasersWashed up Lanegan was murdered 30 years later to keep him quiet? You people are fried.
These people are responsible for every teenager that committed suicide because of Kurt's death, every copycat, or teen who thought that if even Kurt couldn't cope, what's the point? That is on Love, DeWitt, Carlson and crew.
That’s the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard. I’m the hugest cobain fan since a child. I have major depression. No one except myself could make me wanna take my life. Sorry but if someone does that your just goofy like the people that do it over lyrics in metal albums or commit crimes due to video games.
🙄 Ridiculously stupid comment. Charge the makers of gta for everyone that plays it and turned ghetto and starts doing crimes as well? 😂
@@marsoblivi0n945I think they meant more because the Widow Cobain played the best part of her acting life perpetuating the myth he was depressed and likely to self delete.
No, no, no, no!!
Those people who ended their own life chose their path all on their own.
This is what is known as freewill, the freedom to choose life and good, death and evil.
Blaming others for their choices in life is irresponsible and immature.
@@timothya.olmeda7299 no, those are children, Their brains aren't even developed
Won’t anyone comment that he was in negotiations with Geffen to breakup Nirvana? That creates another one with big motive there.
And possibly form another band with Michael Stipe and Kristen Pfaff? Not sure
Huge motive for Geffen. Them and CL would be out hundreds of millions of dollars
Danny Goldberg has done a recent interview this week. He always appears when the truth comes out, same with his book and soaked in bleach.
He says his company was based on taking commissions from artists and let’s face it. Kurt was done with them all. He then pushes how depressed he was and Rolling Stone push the usual narrative. They know these videos are out and this is a paltry attempt at damage control.
Dave Grohl is not a saint either, the entire corporate infrastructure was devoted to Hole's tours and especially to Foo's first album.
@@Luchoguaz77ya I don't trust Dave anymore
Weird how a lot of Joe's memories wound up as some scenes in Gus Van Sant's Cobain movie!
You know what's so sick about this?
It's all for money. Fucking money!!
Who do you think whispered into kurt's ear to retroactively take a bigger cut of song rights? Guess who.
CL
Yeah Kurt was worth more dead at the point he was wanting to quit the music business. Billions. That amount does a lot of talking, EVERYWHERE!
@@zietgiestnewspeak6143 and the fame. Don't forget the fucking fame.
@@rnrpeg1 Google Kurt's angry letter to Geffen. Cornell ended up dead with 9 broken ribs, blood spatters all over the bathroom and somehow 'offed himself' off a doorknob from a kneeling position shortly after signing to Geffen, the richest man in Hollywood and business partner to Jeffrey Epstein in The Mega Group.
Kurt wanted a divorce and Courtney Love knew that she wasn't getting money after divorce and Hole wasn't making hard-core money as Nirvana and she beyond flipped and of course we all know what happened, Aftermath.
Justice For Kurt 2024 Watch out CLove
Dave’s already fallen
@@stephenkane2464Dave didn’t fall, and Dave didn’t do shit lmao.
@@jacktilghman9797you know Dave? If Kurt was trying to go on his own who knows
Disney Dave.
Yup
One Private eye (The closer to danger, the further from guilt. What a masterstroke it must be to ensure that there is only one narrative that makes you head the juicy juicy game of putting the pieces of the puzzle together). Three guys break into the house and get heavy with him who by then was already on a high and had little energy to fight for his life. Between the three of them they force him into the greenhouse and right from the car at that moment, the girlfriend of one of those who had to run out of there, ... hears a shot. Then they had to recompose the scene and put a shotgun on him and clean everything up. They would hold him between two and the third filled him with liquid death and then... Without rigor mortis and with the body rotting... And still no one is capable of having what it takes to call everyone to testify, including the master puppeteer?
I’m your hero?🎸
You saying Grant was in on this??
@@evertking1 I don't think so and it would be hard for me because I followed his job since he started and I admire his determination and powerful. But Joe said he (Tom) was there...
@@MrSeventhkernel Where did you hear that Tom Grant was there? Really hard to believe that a former police officer and PI would do something like that, with witnesses present at the scene. (not because of his job, but because he knew the consequences)
@@Counter_Hour th-cam.com/users/shortseMJS2xKTDdI?si=R7VRjPhaQuETIRcy
Courtney didn't want Donald to find the body. It seems Courtney had some affection for Kurt's parents. No one wanted to find the body and then have to explain where they had been and what they had been doing. Courtney encouraged Donald to have the alarm installed so the electrician would find the body.
It should be obvious enough that it would not have taken 3 days to find Kurts body in the most obvious place. They were always in the greenhouse hanging out. It would be the first place to look for Kurt. They said he had been dead 3 days when the body was discovered.
People knew Courtney had admitted practiced Kurts handwriting.
There was also a note in Kurt's pocket about Courtney being after Kurt's money for drugging and whoring. Courtney lied and pretended that she wrote it herself as a joke. She pretended it was a joke to spare herself embarrassment and incrimination. It was no joke. Courtney did not write it. Courtney did not spell her own name wrong, Cortney is what is written on the note.
Kurt had a previous overdose they said was in Paris. It was in the US, where and when the narcan was illegal to possess.
There was a group of people, Courtney and band, discussing Kurt had the lionshare of the money outside the greenhouse. Inside the greenhouse, others discussed stories they could sell about his death.
I was a 19 year old female that had been a stolen sex trafficked child and drugged and had severe cptsd was also on the scene. The group discussed killing both of us and calling it a double suicide, that we would have made a suicide pact. I hid in the greenhouse from these people terrified.
Courtney stood over me and demanded that I add to the note as Kurt lay on the floor asleep or unconscious. The body of the text had already been written. I was terrified. I wrote on this note. I wrote the part: Go on Courtney for Francis for her life I love you I love you. I was terrified for my life and for Kurt. I wrote that as she was standing over me to try to awaken the soul inside of her.
Courtney was angry that she saw Kurt on top of another woman while she was pregnant. Courtney tried to have me killed then. I was a teenager that woke up with a man on top of me. Then I was attacked for it and severely hurt. It was awful.
The reason they revived Kurt from that overdose was I told Courtney that if she let him die, she wouldn't get any money. They weren't married at that time. That was why Courtney "married" Kurt.
Kurt called me the night he was shot and said he was in a hotel and that they had their ducks in a line. He said they were going to kill him. I asked if it was Courtney or the band. Kurt just said yes. The call ended. I called the Freeport police who thought it was a prank. I didn't know what hotel he was at. We did have less technology then. The freeport police said they wouldn't be able to trace the call.
The guy with the tattoos said he saw them carrying Kurt into the greenhouse. Kurt was probably dead already. The shot was to make it seem as though Kurt had just killed himself inside. Reasonably someone so incapacitated would be unlikely to find his gun and shoot himself when he was so disabled that he couldn't walk.
River & Kurt were killed within 6 months of each other. On time taken to speak, I will reinterate. There was no TH-cam or cellphones when they were killed. When you are surrounded by people who kill people, when you are drugged, and when you are mentally disabled from repeated profound abuse, it is not always possible to go to the cops. Then the cops fbi don't even always believe you, protect you, or report what they know.
Why don't we ask why the FBI took 30 years to release the flowery stationary SUZIE TENNENT sent to the FBI wrote asking on our behalf this be investigated as a murder! Conveniently, Suzie got dementia and a Facebook page for friends of Suzie. People love Suzie especially when she cannot credibly testify against them. Don't forget that media is paid for and notice who has the money.
I didn't have parents I didn't have a safe family. I had trauma and was disabled and unable to get help. Over and over when crimes occured. I would be callled crazy drugged or threatened. I questioned my own sanity. I was disabled from abuse. This evidence has been suppressed for decades. No one would believe me.
@@unleashedandindayou have you ever went to the police with these claims?
When I called the Freeport police, they thought it was a prank. We did ask the FBI for an investigation.
In 2019, I was questioned by police for the first time about many events. I am not an emotionally disturbed 19 year old with no one to vouch for me anymore. I am 50 years old. I have a master's degree. Many people see me regularly and know I'm not delusional. I got away from those who entrapped me in these situations years ago
I hadn't been able to process the trauma because I could never discuss it without sounding crazy even to myself. When this information was brought up by police in 2019, it wasn't me trying to prove I was there. They knew. They wanted me to talk about it.
However, unless this information is declassified or we go to court, they may never admit it. They don't have to.
It was profound for me to realize where I was from. There really was proof that I was near and around celebrities. My grandfather had a home in Palm Beach a town of 8000 people for the last one hundred years. 134 Australian Avenue was next to where the Cuomos vacationed . It was minutes from Mar A Lago and Brillo Way, the home Epstein bought. It was also blocks from the Kennedy Estate
Howard Sterns neice Pam actually got me to go Lollapalooza that summer. Kurt was supposed to play in it but they had called him in sick and then he was dead. Pam and I had known each other since we were about 12 and went to camp together.
The thing is that even when it's a crime involving someone no one knows, people say oh that person is lying or crazy. People don't want to believe crime occured because makes them feel bad. And when they know it happened they don't want to be in trouble obviously
It really wouldn't have been that hard to believe that celebrities were around me given where I was. But because of the abuse and that I couldn't discuss my experiences, it was quiet for a long time. It took a toll on me the hidden war, what I was subjected to and the extraordinarily traumatic events. I was mentally ill for years and years late teens I to my 20s. But when I had kids, I want going to let them be alone the way I was. I got my shit together and just stayed focused in the present
If you want me to email or call you then tell me how to contact you further
@@unleashedandindayou you can reach us at justice@whokilledkurt.org
We'd love to hear more of your story.
@WhoKilledKurtOrg Organized crime killed River Phoenix as well. The media specializes in the art of deception as much as influencing public opinion. The art of deception is also part of war. They didn't go after Cuomo and Epstein to save the ladies and children. They went for money. Sean Combs Weinstein Epstein Maxwell Trump R Kelly got the hammer like piggy banks about to be smashed. ALL paying to none other than the Southern district of New York. Gotta pay for those lights. It was legal with a parents permission in all 50 states to marry kids and there was a statute that said there was no such thing as raping your wife. Pedophile and Rape culture was norm in all 50 states and those spousal exceptions for rape didn't come off the books until 1993. Pedo Rape culture was real and they profited off leading men into abusing kids like I was and eventually disabled young adults as I was. They could gather evidence and then hold that over the head of the man who was fooling around with a kid. They used photolayers and video editing tools and stage names and make up and drugs and lies to cover up who were and hide evidence of our identities. The government is still suppressing evidence. Look at who Epstein bought his NM ranch from NM position. I'm one of the little girls in the Miss Tomato Painting that Epstein had. That contest was run by congressman liptons wife for 60 years and they dont want to make their Tomato festival look complicit Kurt is trying to tell people here very clearly about the type of shit that's gone on x.com/ramonfonsecamor/status/1690375638215974912?t=logvWXm8YAsT8CkbrP7Wqg&s=19
Holy shit is this real?
I hope Joe is trying to stay clean because there seems to be a pattern of hot shots around everyone they don't want around anymore
@@cornycobber you seem very Mormanly
Also your music sucks
@cornycobbler where did you go?
What happened to his arm?
He is obviously high as a fucking kite in this interview
All the people who told me I was wrong since 1994...I await you're apology
RIP KURT
Hopefully justice is served in the near future.
Yea your right forget Kurt who cares YOUR THE REAL FOCUS HERE! DANG! your amazing I'm glad someone passed away (what's his name again?, agh who cares) NOW everyone can focus on you the real hero brother CONGRATULATIONS! Your only person who thought that he was killed LMFAO. See how your comment REALLY looks now?
@@JoshuaFante jesus dude. Are you tweaking? Get some help. You sound absolutely insane. Your comment is actually embarrassing to read. Id feel really dumb if i were you.
@@JoshuaFante Calm down. You're tripping out and you sound like an asshole.
Justice for what? The man killed himself, there's plenty of evidence that shows that that's what happened.
It’s funny you both spelled your and you’re wrong, but differently. You should trade! 😂
I will never believe Kurt removed himself.
He already tried to kill himself one month before, everytime someone famous dies there is a conspiracy theory envolved
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Yeah, plenty of folks think it was technically impossible for him to do by himself.
Technically impossible?
Why? @@fargotua13
@@jasujokelainen5073 "There are several reasons why Tom Grant thinks Kurt Cobain was murdered. But at the core of his reasoning lies the belief that Cobain couldn’t have injected himself with such a large amount of heroin - three times a lethal dose - and then been able to shoot himself. Grant believes that even a heroin addict would’ve been incapacitated and unable to pick up a gun."
@@fargotua13 makes sense.
Thank you.
Another dude said that Courtney offered him 20 grand to ff Kurt. Her own father believes she had it done....
And a week after saying that on film he was found decapitated on the train tracks
RIP El Duce
After seeing Dylan being interviewed by that british guy for that Kurt and Courtney documentary.. I knew that he knew about what happened to Kurt. His body language was so guilty.. legit looked like he was in an interrogation room.
Is that on TH-cam?
@@Smashingblouseth-cam.com/video/TPvneLb0Ihw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vc1hGyBToGZ37_Ya
I remember watching that movie 13 years ago and thinking he was a scumbag then. My gut for people is almost never wrong. I'm also a recovering heroin addict and he still gave me the creeps in that documentary
@@Smashingblouseth-cam.com/video/TPvneLb0Ihw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3TxXyr0exMZTAdKY
It’s in the movie Kurt and Courtney
Yes he is a dope head. Doesn’t make him less than a person. People have their struggles and his problem can be easily manipulated to make him seem not so credible “oh he’s high af don’t listen to him”
Exactly.
He is trying to cope with the pain still 30 years later.
Ppl don't understand, even saying dope heads very offensive AF, real bad choice, because he had drug problems or say drug issues c'mon. ALOT of ppl have drug problems, most ppl you don't even know have them but it's away to hide pain and struggles most the time and it's by accident, not many ppl choose it and some are the best hearted ppl and tender hearted and sensitive that's why their hurt. I can go on about it but your "dope heads" offensive, I struggle and that makes me sick, don't use needles etc but still I find it sick to say that about dead man that dudes saying they murdered too.
@@JoshuaFante I’m not exactly coining him the name, I kept seeing comments calling him one so I made my comment in response. Not meaning to offend but in a way trying to convert just because he is “negative term” doesn’t mean it’s what it’s made out to be
Don't disagree, but what has the guy actually SAID? He never finished a sentence. I have no idea what the guys even trying to explain.
Protect Joe at all costs. You know they are gonna go for him next
@samt8164 Exactly, the man has a white supremacist tattoo taking up a large chunk of his head lol.
No he is not incarcerated if that is what you are implying.
@samt8164 Pretty sure "they" were also junkies so...
@samt8164Troll. That's what you are
@@pipn9090again with the politics? You can't use nowadays wokeness shit in order to state that Kurt couldnt be a friend with someone with such a tattoo. Also do you know if Joe had already that tattoo back in the days?
This was hard for me to listen to, me being a big fan of both Earth (Dylan Carlson) and Nirvana. This man is not lying. I never believed he took his own life from the moment I heard of his death at school that morning 30 years ago.
This changes everything.
It literally changes nothing....
It just Shows what was obvious for anyone that actually gave a minute into the thing. Thank you guys!
@@christopherpoucher483Tell that to Tupac’s killer or any of the innumerable amount of people that have gone to prison based on a witness coming forward.
20 years to late. @@digitalrivers
@@digitalrivers 2 pacs killer died in the 90s
Whoa, it's here! I apologize for being annoying in asking (more like demanding) for this upload... Well, I'll shut up and watch it
Dont do drugs kids.
well, with moderation and not these kind of drugs... oh well
@@prinsreintje how about no drugs altogether.
@@idahotrucker7017alcohol included in that
I’m glad people are still talking about this. I knew he was sad, as a teenager, but the circumstances surrounding it all didn’t make sense. Really conflicted, as I loved Hole as well.
This year, I visited Seattle for the first time. I went to the memorial bench (emotions are bubbling up as I’m typing the words) and it was a lot for me. Seeing peoples gifts, art, tag.. whew. I had driven from the East Coast with a moonstone. As I set it next to a picture that someone placed of him, I said, ‘look at all this love. You’re missed, but not forgotten.’
I hope Francis Bean feels vindicated at the end of the truth.
Watch Dylan Carlson being interviewed in the doc Kurt & Courtney.
Watch out for all the troll’s that are gonna end up trying to discredit this guy. Totally true story!! Too much $$ involved. Kurt was leaving Nirvana!!
He was leaving COURTNEY. That's the gist.
Thank you for posting this a day earlier than you told me. This guy should’ve called the cops that night once he left instead of waiting THIRTY YEARS!
I agree completely with you! I was actually looking for your comment this morning to let you know that it would be up tonight but I couldn't find it. I hate to say it but every single person that was present that night is complicit and they helped conceal a murder for 3o years. That's just my personal opinion -Lisa
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgI totally agree with your opinion! You’re so darn busy and respond to a lot of comments, do you ever sleep 😂
Dylan Carlson and Danny Clint Rich will get theirs. Kurt has followers. They will do what needs to be done.
@@CalvinFreeman-vu2pj Who is Danny Clint Rich please? Up to date with most details of the case but this name escapes me.
@@niallhussey8023 Worked for CL as some sort of an assistant. Qualified pilot too! He danced around wearing a dress during a housesale - one of Courtney's - and told the couple buying it that he had killed Kurt!
High or not you can feel the sincerity in his words. Dylan on the other hand has always been so shady in every interview. This puts all the puzzles in place for me. Justice for Kurt
Same for me w/DM…always playing both sides against the middle, no?!
I believe this man...Always known Kurt wasn't alone in that house
The year of truth. Illusions and lies fall. ❤
Maybe but there's no way they're going to put anyone in jail over this guys word!! Unless there's more evidence this testimony is garbage in court!!
I hope they catch the basted tho!!
I feel sick inside. I believe every word Joe is saying.
I feel the same way. So many of us have known for years that these people were involved, but to actually hear this man describe the details of what happened is heartbreaking. Makes me sick to my stomach 😞
“I told Allen, I mean ah- my friend.
BLERHHGHAABAHAHA!
Ahhhh, I’ll let the FBI catch him” El Duce
Good ol' El
Joe Burns is a hero! I hope he stays safe and healthy 🙏
@samt8164 100%
@samt8164 This story has been well corroborated over the years. If Tupac can find justice from a similar era why not Kurt? There are far more witnesses and far more corroborating evidence. It's actually far more difficult to claim he 'offed himself' after even a cursory glance at the evidence.
This dude is just as much guilty as all that was there, he should have tried to stop it but just let it happen
@@kixxthemanz437 Geffen, the richest man in Hollywood who lives on two super yachts in international waters, was 'business partners' with Jeffrey Epstein through The Mega Group. Courtney is in Epstein's black book. Cornell somehow hung himself from a door knob in a kneeling position with 7 broken ribs and blood all over the bathroom shortly after signing to Geffen. Google Kurt's angry letter to Geffen months prior to his untimely demise. Who would have the money and power to bribe SPD hierarchy to instantly deem the scene a suicide?
Very powerful forces at play in the shadows here and it would be very apparent to those in the midst. That Joe has spoken out at all is to be commended greatly.
@kixxthemanz437 Absolutely. If they were so worried about their friend, they should've done something. Assuming the reason was being afraid of being busted for drugs= find a payphone call the police. To just take off like that. No. There is nothing heroic about this. If he's telling the truth, he's finally talking responsibility for something he should've done years ago.
Thank you for making this channel. 😊
I love KC , when i read Tom Grant's initial investigation on the early internet in 1997, i KNEW he was murdered.
Tom Grant has integrity. He risked everything to accuse CL of murder.
She could've sued Tom Grant........the fact that she did not sue him tells me everything 😮😢
Yall share this with everyone!!!
First off, this scared the crap out of me! Secondly, ironically I had a relationship with Cali who was my A&R at Capital. I was sending him demos and he was really digging it, then he disappeared completely right when the Kurt & Courtney film was released. Capital lied and said there was no record of him ever working there! How would I even know this man's name then? I was based in NY at the time. Anyway, here is a link to a song I wrote for Kurt called "Everything You Read", it's written as if from his perspective in the afterlife as a tribute. I hope you enjoy it and thank you so much for posting this video. Kurt needs justice!
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@@aberdeenlizards we would love to your story if you'd be willing!! Our email is justice@whokilledkurt.org
Junkie hanging out with Kurt at his house, heroin stuff, tv dinners, saw Kurt really upset and distressed after some guy talked to him in private, and then he's outside in the driveway, and heard a suppressed shotgun sound, got scared and got out of there. That's what I gathered. He was there when the murder plot wouldve been taking place.
Right , this dude is doped the fuck up right here , no, I’m not discrediting this guy because of his opiate blood infusion habit 😂 but I know for a fact that lowers your inhibitions and attention to detail drastically, so something of the sort could’ve taken place but I’m sure details are either altered or left to completely out if I was a producer video I’d at least tell this guy to tighten up and drink some coffee before we rolled tape 🤦♂️🤷♂️
I always thought it was Courtney, she administered the dope, gave him a good amount, then shot his motionless body
@@SHUT-UP_MEG There's no way she would have been present. That's why people hire hitmen, so it looks like it wasn't a murder but a suicide. If it was a murder it was very well thought out.
@@SHUT-UP_MEG She was in L.A.
@@scottcharney1091 really?
Dam, I thought she was right there when she did it
I'm trippin 😎❤️❤️ my bad
This guy is so right. In the heroin scene there are people who will just stand by n watch someone die, n not do anything, they just continue on like nothings happening when someones oding.
But Chris Todd said Kurt was forced with more H at the basement and also hit with something so he must have been like pretty unconscious already when taken to the greenhouse. I think it would probably be a good idea to have Joe speak to a therapist or somebody like that so he can better explain what happened, he's having such a bad time man... It would also be good for him to get it properly out of his system after all these years. I don't know, I think that might help make everything clearer. Keep going and massive thank you
Who the fuck is Chris Todd lol, just another clown spewing bullshit
@@SaumBodhi Both, sure he was high when it happened and he's having trouble expressing himself as he recalls through the haze as you very well said. But also cognitive deterioration, and then trauma and fear. See how he avoids naming Kurt and speaking his mind about Dylan. That's tough, it must be painful.
The stuff about Kurt being attacked in the basement is completely unverified. Joe watched Kurt walk from the kitchen to the greenhouse so those claims completely contradict Joe's own words. Those claims allegedly come from Bonnie but when Bonnie was contacted by Chris she denied everything.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I just get lost. It'd be great to have a recap. So Kurt was at the greenhouse because he feared what and who told him? Was it Dylan that told him to stay there for protection after having plotted the plan with Courtney? And then Dylan brought 2 guys with him to do the job? But while being upstairs Kurt thought it was better if everybody left that's why he went to the basement? Is that how it happened?
I watched it again, and again, with spanish subtitles to help too, I even took some notes and I get what he says now. I was getting mixed up with Chris Todd's explanation. Thank you. Are there any more videos coming? More than 43k views in just a day...
The thing is, he also isnt doing himself any favors by saying this. So i figure he is speaking the truth.
Ya but cmon , news this big ? Someone would have e said something by now
@@ticesine6589There we only a few people there, all scared to death to tell anyone anything. What is your point?
My theory on the note in the greenhouse it was written by Kurt on the back of an ihop placemat (check out the paper with the pen through it in the soil, the edges have a round design) while he was there with Courtney before going to rehab telling his fans he was branching out from Nirvana. The bottom of the note isn’t even his writing (duh). If he didn’t stick with rehab this time and make her more money, she wanted him dead before he could leave her. Thank goodness Tom Grant spoke out when he saw this mess unfold. His trip to the house with Dylan looking for Kurt on Thursday, the night prior to the discovery, Dylan was avoiding the greenhouse even after Courtney told him to look there with Tom. She wanted his body found and Dylan didn’t want to discover this because he put Kurt there. Tom didn’t know there was a room above the garage known as the greenhouse that night. It’s about time an actual witness to the crime stepped out of the shadows. Although, we saw what happened with el Duce…he caught a late night train. So it makes sense that witnesses have been reluctant to speak all these years. #ReopenKurtsCase #JusticeForKurt
I lived next to some of his family near Ellensburg Washington and they said he was murdered. Edit.. one thing they told me was it had something to do with Kurt making a deal involving music and a night club and crooked underworld figures who wanted money.
Bonnie, please do the right thing and come forward!
The Truth will prevail!
God Bless Joe Burns x
Justice for Kurt and Kristen x
Well spoken/said. Thank you for sharing bud..
Greets from Weirdby Isle, WA...
Joe can barely speak he is so high
Well spoken, lol ? He is struggling to string a coherent sentence together
He adored and loved his daughter so much so why did he take his own life!!! He would have wanted to see her grow up and bloom
I have only just saw this , Thank you for uploading this. I hope Joe, gets some relief from telling this. Hope things get easier for him, I've been clean for over 13 years, but this man carried all this stuff with him, I dunno if i couldda lived with that n my addiction. RIP Kurt . Luv n Prayers from Liverpool UK 🇬🇧 to Joe & all the ppl who matter. Total overhaul of the case needs to be done. ASAP 🙏
HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH. THIS IS REAL. BAM! LET’S MAKE SURE IT FINISHES THIS. Handwriting sheet and this is more than enough. Thanks to the makers, Joe, and let’s protect this man all the way out. Reach out to get on the list for Kurt tribute from LA called WeLoveYouKurt, a show with rare facts the songs we love. Let’s have a positive attitude and imagine Justice Gets Served. Come on Nirvana world!
We have an extensive handwriting analysis that is undeniable!!;
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg And it was In Her Backpack. You guys are doing GREAT!!
Are you going to do fundraising? I’d like to promote a tribute show and donate whatever I can get.
Maybe I need to read your textual content, to find… lemme see… @whokilledkurt
What is "weloveyouKurt"?is it a TH-cam channel?
All this was known and exposed years ago and now its only coming out again, lets hope that this time it gets acted upon and its not just a distraction for all that's happening with the Diddy arrest. Rip kurt.❤
The most telling part of this story is the very beginning when he says Kurt was negotiating a new record deal. If he was planning to leave Geffen and divorce Courtney, that’s hundreds of millions of dollars they would both lose. I’ve always thought Geffen was involved. He’s got a very checkered past…Maybe the other guy with Dylan was Allen Wrench, who was ex-military and would have experience staging a murder scene. Although the name that’s out there is Danny Rich. This will probably never be investigated but it’s crazy to know what happened.
I have wondered if his management was behind it. Ifthey received funding from Geffen to cover up holes, pay people off (including thr police chief) etc.
Absolutely. I think the same. Geffen involved from all the lost money. They were going to icon Kurt and they did. The money still keeps coming for them. Courtney knew and agreed to it. She was the fall girl if it went wrong. What did she gain? Lots of money. Opportunity. Money.
@rickchyczewski576 agreed, although I wonder if it was courtney that went to them with the idea. I wouldn't be shocked if we found out Danny Goldberg was the middle man. All speculation but having been an absolutely obsessed fan of Hole, Courtney grunge and true crime for the past 30 years...Final pieces of the puzzle fall into place when you consider the operation went beyond Courtney. I didn't know he was negotiating a new record contract.
@@Laura-kg9le could be. I like the way you think
Tom Grant is adamant that Allen Wrench wasn’t involved and just claims to be as a joke