53 brave men lost their lives on that raid. It was war, it was at the time seen as a way of slowing down German weapons production. It took a lot of lives but as I said, it was war. To use the word infamous is defamatory to the the memory of those courageous men.
"The dams raid killed up to 1,400 people- more civilian deaths than had been generated by any previous RAF attack on Germany. At least half were not Hitler’s people, instead his foreign slaves, almost all women, drowned in the Biblical flood- the Mohnekatastrophe, as Germans call it- unleashed by the bouncing bombs. It is fascinating that Guy Gibson afterwards reflected uneasily about this, as his senior officers never did, writing in 1944: ‘The fact that people… might drown had not occurred to us…No one likes mass slaughter and we did not like being the authors of it’. "
We lost fifty three RAF aircrew on that raid, all young men who lost their only life on behalf of our freedom. I salute them all, and we remember those who didn’t return. Always !
Lancaster's filled with young brave men with average ages of 21, trying to make a difference and shorten a war that we did not start, have some bloody respect.
Sure but the more you read about the actual raid, the more you may start to think the choice of words may not have been so incorrect: "The dams raid killed up to 1,400 people- more civilian deaths than had been generated by any previous RAF attack on Germany. At least half were not Hitler’s people, instead his foreign slaves, almost all women, drowned in the Biblical flood- the Mohnekatastrophe, as Germans call it- unleashed by the bouncing bombs. It is fascinating that Guy Gibson afterwards reflected uneasily about this, as his senior officers never did, writing in 1944: ‘The fact that people… might drown had not occurred to us…No one likes mass slaughter and we did not like being the authors of it’. "
If the BBC made a remake of the film 25% would be female and a further 25% would be of ethnic origin. At least 20% would be gay and at least one would be disabled. Or maybe that’s just me.
@steelwolf5070 You must live in a perfect world. The RAF were defending this country in a time of war. Yes, there were casualties, but that doesn't take away the bravery of the people fighting the war. In other words tough.
@@HOSPlTALLERYou 'holier than though', ignorant critics of the way the war was handled make me very angry. You have no knowledge of war, no experience of war, and yet you presume to denigrate those who had to make appallingly difficult decisions in the face of the actual reality. It was total war, and in war bad things happen. Funny how people like you always pick on what the British did but never castigate the Germans for say, the horrors of the Blitz, to which I can attest, having lived through the Blitz, and the later bombings, and then the two V weapons. Hindsight is a great attribute, but be realistic for goodness sake.
Every time you step into a Lancaster during WW2 you had no idea if you were ever coming back home again. I did hear the average life expectancy of a Bomber crew was six weeks those were VERY brave men and it's an insult to call it Infamous..
Yes, if this were an isolated incident it might pass off as a genuine error, but the BBC has a long list of previous anti- British comments and attitudes.
Absolutely, it's not an "accidental" word typed into the autocue, and it's not even a word that's taken on a "colloquial" meaning. On the other hand - "Naziwashing" of war documentaries now is jarring. My uncles fought in WW2 and I never remember them talikng about fighting "The Nazis", it was always "The Germans" ... PC speak insists they pretend Germany had no part in WW2.
I'm 61 years of age and when I was young the BBC was required viewing, it was good. Now in 2023, you couldn't pay me enough money to sit through 30 seconds of the woke crap they shove on the public....
same age, but here in the US. i've watched our news go from who, what, where, and now are nothing more than opinion pieces where facts are checked later if at all.
Damn near every friggen 'news' program is guilty of that these friggen days. I'm in Canada, can't get unbiased news here. It's pathetic. And so are these 'reporters', pathetic.
I’m an American Air Force veteran, Security Police on a B-52 base. This was a “famous” bomber mission. 53 men lost their lives, 3 ended up POW’s, and 8 birds were lost. God bless the RAF. 🇬🇧🇺🇸
@damionkeeling3103 I disagree. The water released from the two dams breached damaged or destroyed huge swathes of infrastructure. Fixing that, plus rebuilding the dams pulled large numbers of workers and masses of resources away from the front-line war effort. Furthermore, German defences had to be stretched even more to cover dams and similar structures. Dissipating their effectiveness. Also, the success of the dams raid led to giving Barnes Wallis the credibility to get his "earthquake bombs" into use. They were used many times, to great effect. Most notably, on Tirpitz and the Bielfeld viaduct. War is evil. People die. That's just fact. Don't forget the Germans invented the V1, V2 and V3 specifically random terror weapons. They were also engaged in practices no sane human could contemplate. I would rather none of the people had to die, axis or allied.
@@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars I concur with every comment you make. The direct hit on the Tirpitz from that height was incredible. So too the very near misses which were also sufficient to put this mighty ship out of action.
I've actually been in a television news room many years ago and the script is proof read by at least 3 people before going onto the autocue to avoid this sort of mistake. This was deliberate.
Many years ago, there were proofreaders. They, and other forms of quality control are now considered by the non-journalists who own most media outlets to be an unnecessary expense.
@greenmachine478 I'm not just talking about newspapers. Read the Chiron captions on just about any local newscast and not a few national ones. Of course, they look scholarly next to the great majority of online efforts. EDIT: Though I see you've since added a reference to the Beeb.
a journalist is basically a person who records events etc , in writing , so english and understanding it is paramount , so the excuse that Nugent didn't know the meaning is utter rubbish
I suggest the bbc send a reporter to the IWM Duxford to look at a Lancaster Bomber, listen to the talks about it and then stand in awe of the men who flew the tin can of a plane aged 18 and over … it’s amazing that they managed to do what they did.
Indeed and its even more amazing to hear that the women delivered them solo no weapons no co-pilot no navigator as much i salute the men that flew i also salute those brave women that delivered all of the aircraft solo to their base of operation.
@greenmachine478 no obviously; the bbc of the 1940s was a very different organisation…it was the national broadcaster, the only broadcaster of its day. Referring to the Dam Busters raids as infamous was just wrong.
I suggest she makes a trip to one of the Northern France military cemetarys full of 18 to 45 yearolds who died so that she was free to spout such rubbish and next time think before she speaks.
Once upon a time the BBC was something we in the UK could be proud of. I for one resent having to pay for these people's wages through the TV tax that is the license fee.
Perhaps we should all refuse to pay. I for one do not watch BBC at all unless doctor who is on but I might be giving that a miss from now on. 😅 The reporters and presenters are biased and abysmal. Cannot trust them at all.
@@elainewhite7815 Present some proof then. Actual, genuine, evidence which has been examined by rigorous and objective tests for bias, not the defective, BIASED, fact-free, frothing nonsense of swivel-eyed loonies like you.
The last veteran of the dams raid is already dead. Blowing up dams is now considered to be a war crime, so I think you should cut the presenters a bit of slack.
@@jeremypnet Finally some sense. Was everyone out celebrating when the Russians blew the Nova Kakhovka dam? I don't think so, it's now considered a criminal act, a crime of war. People need to realise that.
"Lest we forget" clearly the BBC has, does it have the credibility and backing of the British public to remain as an enforced publicly funded organization ?
The BBC got rid of Simon Mayo, Steve Wright and Ken Bruce - I refuse to listen to BBC 2 now. The Dambusters comment was so typical of todays BBC. They are detestable.
Good, the BBC should apologise for this and many other things. My grandfather was a bomb aimer with bomber command and was a fantastic man to know. Every time I’m in London I make a point to see the memorial in Green Park, it brings a tear to my eye for my grandfather and the boys of Bomber Command ….I
I still get angry about them paying Lineker 1.2 million pounds a year just to talk about football.I' d guarantee that they could find hundreds of knowledgeable experts, for ONE TENTH of that, to discuss football ! This is licence fee payers' money that he receives,and is a total waste of our money.
I made a comment on this a few weeks ago, so I'm glad it's been brought up. The reporter should be ashamed of saying it and the wokist who wrote her script should be sacked forthwith. How dare they try to shame our young men who died for this country. Absolutely disgusting.
I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Naga Munchetty. The BBC got rid of Ken Bruce and brought in Vernon Kay, another motor mouth like Zoe Ball, both of them love to hear their own voices.
4:24: Not only did the presenter probably not know what "infamous" usually means (that is, "notoriously evil" or "disgraceful"), I'm sure she didn't even know what the Dambusters Raid was all about in the first place (it's not woke, after all, and thus is "bad" -- those "evil" military people destroying a damn!). I, an American, know what that raid was all about and the heroic British airman did to try to push the war effort forward. As a retired U.S. Navy chief petty officer, I salute those heroes of WWII.
I don't think the presenter understood what 'infamous' means, but that is me being charitable. The script writer almost certainly did, however, and that is disgraceful.
It reminds me of an article on the BBC website around the centenary of the end of the First World War, where the BBC asked a number of historians who they thought was responsible for that war. All but one said Germany. The other said Austro-Hungary. All the historians gave explanations for their answers. The next paragraph started with "Some historians blame Britain" - none of the ones they'd actually asked though. The BBC offered no explanation or justification for that statement, let alone any evidence. The reality is, they just hate this country and will do any amount of intellectual gymnastics in order to find fault with it, even to the point of completely rewriting history. I am so glad that I no longer give those treacherous swine my money.
To be fair to the BBC, when I challenged one of their senior newsroom staff about their choice of words, they fully justified what had happened - they explained that the WWII British fight against the Germans and the Italians was a dreadful example of Brexit-induced xenophobia.
Britain alone? In 1943? Seems you’re as ignorant as that BBC cretin. Now we’re disgusted at your lack of knowledge. Your turn to apologise. Keep quiet in future if you’re this clueless about a topic.
Britain was alone? Say that to the face of a veteran from the many countries that sent hundreds of thousands of their young men and women to fight in Europe and in support of Britain.
I don't believe this the first time the BEEB has addressed the Dambusters raid in this way. Difference is they've been forced to apologise this time. Someone needs suspending for this & to go face a veterans group in order to offer an explanation!
To be fair, the Few were shooting down foreigners who were coming over to this country illegally and uninvited. You can't expect the BBC to support that sort of thing.
@@dlarge6502 go walking, listen to music, get a hobby, go to a group, yoga, line dancing, knitting, crocheting, needlepoint, painting, photography, visit relatives, read a book, get a qualification, visit friends if you have any? Make friends! Gardening, etc so many things in this world to take an interest in. But no you’d rather sit your arse down for hours, stuffing your face, sedentary, then wonder why you get arthritis or god forbid, cancer because you where sedentary! Getting programmed by the BBC and all the other shite on how you should react, behave and most importantly, how you should think! Or paint those fecking walls! 🤣😀
The BBC lacks a backbone when it comes to allowing (mis-managing) "political" statements made by those (presenters/editors/script writers) who have that opportunity to do so.
I am Brazilian... Member of my family die fighting on side of British and Italians against the Nazis and they call our British Heros " INFAMOUS" ??? its the great great offense that I ever listen agains true heroes of freedom.
In the 1980s, me and Mom visited a Lancaster displayed in the local aircraft museum (Perth). At that time former WWII pilots used to volunteer their time in the museum. Mom was chatting with them, and one of them apologized for one gent not saying a word. I did not think twice about the silent man, but anyways, we were told that he was a former Lancaster crew member who was so traumatized that he would walk around the museum all day in silence. It is because of the courage of men like this that we have freedom today. War is vile and brutal, but liberty cannot be sold to aggressors whose only intent is to enslave the world.
The P.R. expert is what is wrong with the BBC and PR in general, if the people in the BBC don't know what a word means they should not be in the role they have. Defending such stupidity is also not what the PR guy should be doing, he should be telling the Moronic bosses of the BBC why they are wrong, and why they should issue an apology and a retraction of their statements
@alanpickstock5568 And if you are not capable of capitalising words correctly then you should not be taking on the role of criticising other people's ignorance.
I dare not say what I'd like to !! But suffice to say that the dambusters were HEROES, and will forever remain so. There feat of courage bravery and skill will never be surpassed.
It's a shame that the presenter didn't have the gumption to correct it as she was reading it. Although she probably didn't know the difference between infamous and famous. One would have thought that having a basic vocabulary would be a necessary qualification for a news reader.
Infamous? When the men of bomber command climbed into bombers night after night they knew they had a 46% chance of not surviving, many of those that did were seriously injured or spent the war in terrible prison camps.
As a truck driver of many years I used to listen to radio one, two, four (comedy) and 5 live depending on my mood. But as the BBC started to get rid of the older DJ's and replace them with dross I moved to independent stations, I used to love the comedy on radio 4, but that turned into a an echo chamber for the left wing, especially on the panel shows. It must be coming up to 15 years since I stopped watching tv and 10 years for listening to BBC radio, don't miss it one bit. Keep sending those letters tv licencing, they go straight in the bin unopened.
@johnlawrence7386 > I used to love the comedy on radio 4, but that turned into a an echo > chamber for the left wing, especially on the panel shows. You are laughably defective. An echo chamber for the left wing? Whilst I'm sure you're an expert on echo chambers, you're rather hard-of-thinking when it comes to political balance. I bet you think the Mail and the Express are left-wing biased too.
> Keep sending those letters tv licencing, they go straight in the bin unopened Fair enough, if you don't have a TV.
@@ChoppingtonOtter > I used to like the Punt and Dennis stuff but it just became a pro Labour rant. Please present proof that Punt and Dennis spoke or shouted at length in an angry, impassioned way in support of the Labour Party. Actual, genuine, EVIDENCE, I mean, which has been examined by rigorous and objective tests for bias.
Because she meant every derogatory word putting down our armed forces who lost their lives so she could spout anti-British hatred live on TV - what an awful excuse for a human being she is!
I really really really resent having to pay a license fee. I believe it is criminal to take this fee from people, especially when the BBC has so many commercial interests International
@angela-qd5mq I don't know what this tax form is so I might be missing something, but I don't think you are legally required to do anything. You're not required to get a licence for something you don't do so if you don't watch LIVE TV just don't get a licence (or let your licence expire if you currently have one). I continued to pay for my TV licence for seven years (that's £700+) before I looked into it and realised I hadn't watched LIVE TV at all during that time and I didn't expect to be doing so again as other habits and avenues for media have surpassed only watching what someone else decides to broadcast right now.
News outlets need to report the news and not their opinions . Opinions , like advertising , can be bought and paid for ! I don't want your opinion , I have a brain that had worked for 70 yrs. years without your bleeping opinions ! Do your job and only your job , report the news ! The public does not want your opinion !
What about the BBC reporting fake news and being biased politically. I rarely watch the BBC because of this and it is a shame Borkowski wasn’t asked about their inability to be neutral.
@trevorlangridge > What about the BBC reporting fake news and being biased politically. > I rarely watch the BBC because of this No, the reason you don't watch it is because you are so stupid and/or deranged that you think they report fake news and are politically biased. You are allergic to truth, and facts.
Sadly, so true. However, they do love bludgers, whingers, alcoholics, child abusers, lefties, shoplifters, granny bashers, car thieves, burglars and welfare cheats. Especially those of the conveniently Canadian term, first nations, persons.
Concentrate on educating pupils in English Language Grammar and Vocabulary, that way there won't be very basic mistakes made by those that have 'passed' through the system.
The character who used this word is, presumably, a graduate, and therefore one assumes- perhaps naively- she is educated to a reasonable standard. Therefore, for such a person to claim ignorance of the word's meaning is totally unconvincing.
I suspect the 'infamous' blunder is the result of today's poor education system. The person who wrote the script did not realise that 'infamous' is usually taken to mean 'famous for doing something bad'. Hitler was certainly famous, but not in a good way, so he could be described as 'infamous'. It's down to ignorance ('lack of knowledge') on the part of whoever wrote the original script (or, if this was a spontaneous remark, on the part of the presenter) and also on the part of the co-presenter who could have corrected the mistake there and then. (The BBC have fallen a long way since they were a company which could field the likes of 'Pride and Prejudice'. If they made that adaptation, now, Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth would have to be black, at the very least, if not 'trans', and no-one would watch it!)
Incredible innovation, incredible bravery, incredibly sad loss of life. The BBC are so out of touch with even their own history let alone the history of the past 300 years. The film had the infamous “N’ word for the black Labrador. Back then, educated people knew Latin. It was as innocent as that. But no, we must self flagellate which I believe is another Latin trait.
What's the link between the BBC and Michael Anderson's film? Did you know, BTW, that ITV, Channel 4, and Film4 have broadcast censored versions, but the BBC hasn't?
I gave up on BBC television years ago, but I did listen to Radio 2 from 6am to 6 pm Monday to Friday, now I only listen to Radio 2 on a Saturday most of the day and Sunday morning. I still listen to Radio 4 extra but some of the programs I listened to were part payed for by my great grandparents! The BBC like our politicians are out of touch with the general public, hopefully they will realise their errors and apologise to us all and start putting things right before it's too late, perhaps they might realise that their " infamous " Radio broadcasts helped this once great country and its allies win the last World War with its coded messages
I like the today program but I have noticed the BBC quality has gone down and the presenters personal viewpoint has started coming through in many ways.
The job of a presenter/newsreader/reporter is to use language at a professional level. It is therefore, not unreasonable to expect them to be professionally competent in their chosen language.
Mark Borkowski showed his true colors by stating that BOTH presenters from the BBC were unfamiliar with the meaning of the word "infamous" - repeated twice. Him shifting around, uncomfortably, in his seat as he was discussing the matter showed he was simply trying to cover for the BBC.
Anyone with the slightest hint of an education knows what "infamous" means. What a pathetic excuse. They're taking their paid audience for idiots. They have no shame.
@@anonnona8099 that’s your opinion which you are entitled to hold and express, it’s not for the bbc to provide opinion it’s to report the news in an unbiased way.
@@lovevwltd7114 The problem is that there are people out there so twisted and biased, so utterly unable to accept anything other than their RWL fantasies being replayed to them that they will ALWAYS attack the BBC if they don't use the words that they, the swivel-eyed, want used. Just look at the insanity of some of the dribblers here, calling for the BBC to be shut down because of ONE WORD which they didn't like.
I have TH-cam premium for documentaries and Netflix for films, not watched a 'BBC' program for over 2 years but I am STILL paying for services I do not use or have no intention of using, this has to change. The TV Licence was fine when we only had 3 TV channels and 2 of them were BBC, but not anymore.
If you don't watch live tv or record live tv or watch BBC I player, you don't need a license. But even if you do, well it's up to you, but they will never know anyway, unless you tell them.......
I am proud of that raid and proud of the brave men who gave there lives in the name of freedom, we we’re fighting a evil country who were murdering millions of people around the world and at the end of the day we we’re fighting for our lives
53 brave men lost their lives on that raid. It was war, it was at the time seen as a way of slowing down German weapons production. It took a lot of lives but as I said, it was war. To use the word infamous is defamatory to the the memory of those courageous men.
I agree, and a better word would of legendary , as were the the Stavenger crews under SQL Embry
The BBC is always right - if you disagree you are a bigot.
the gobshites at the bbc would,nt be fit to tie those airmens boots.
"The dams raid killed up to 1,400 people- more civilian deaths than had been generated by any previous RAF attack on Germany.
At least half were not Hitler’s people, instead his foreign slaves, almost all women, drowned in the Biblical flood- the Mohnekatastrophe, as Germans call it- unleashed by the bouncing bombs. It is fascinating that Guy Gibson afterwards reflected uneasily about this, as his senior officers never did, writing in 1944: ‘The fact that people… might drown had not occurred to us…No one likes mass slaughter and we did not like being the authors of it’. "
@@HOSPlTALLER I'd rather drown than be a slave any day.
We lost fifty three RAF aircrew on that raid, all young men who lost their only life on behalf of our freedom.
I salute them all, and we remember those who didn’t return. Always !
Well said mate.
Be: Your freedom? YOUR FREEDOM??? You brain is obviously shrivelled.
Lancaster's filled with young brave men with average ages of 21, trying to make a difference and shorten a war that we did not start, have some bloody respect.
Sure but the more you read about the actual raid, the more you may start to think the choice of words may not have been so incorrect:
"The dams raid killed up to 1,400 people- more civilian deaths than had been generated by any previous RAF attack on Germany.
At least half were not Hitler’s people, instead his foreign slaves, almost all women, drowned in the Biblical flood- the Mohnekatastrophe, as Germans call it- unleashed by the bouncing bombs. It is fascinating that Guy Gibson afterwards reflected uneasily about this, as his senior officers never did, writing in 1944: ‘The fact that people… might drown had not occurred to us…No one likes mass slaughter and we did not like being the authors of it’. "
If the BBC made a remake of the film 25% would be female and a further 25% would be of ethnic origin. At least 20% would be gay and at least one would be disabled. Or maybe that’s just me.
@steelwolf5070 You must live in a perfect world. The RAF were defending this country in a time of war. Yes, there were casualties, but that doesn't take away the bravery of the people fighting the war. In other words tough.
All of them volunteers.
@@HOSPlTALLERYou 'holier than though', ignorant critics of the way the war was handled make me very angry. You have no knowledge of war, no experience of war, and yet you presume to denigrate those who had to make appallingly difficult decisions in the face of the actual reality. It was total war, and in war bad things happen. Funny how people like you always pick on what the British did but never castigate the Germans for say, the horrors of the Blitz, to which I can attest, having lived through the Blitz, and the later bombings, and then the two V weapons. Hindsight is a great attribute, but be realistic for goodness sake.
Every time you step into a Lancaster during WW2 you had no idea if you were ever coming back home again. I did hear the average life expectancy of a Bomber crew was six weeks those were VERY brave men and it's an insult to call it Infamous..
Totally agree.
Absolutely
"Never have so many owed so much to so few."
This was not a mistake by the BBC.
Someone definitely meant it!
agreed
Just like every insult its carefully crafted
Yes, if this were an isolated incident it might pass off as a genuine error, but the BBC has a long list of previous anti- British comments and attitudes.
One of the Pinko Guardian reading backroom staff.
Absolutely, it's not an "accidental" word typed into the autocue, and it's not even a word that's taken on a "colloquial" meaning.
On the other hand - "Naziwashing" of war documentaries now is jarring. My uncles fought in WW2 and I never remember them talikng about fighting "The Nazis", it was always "The Germans" ... PC speak insists they pretend Germany had no part in WW2.
I'm 61 years of age and when I was young the BBC was required viewing, it was good. Now in 2023, you couldn't pay me enough money to sit through 30 seconds of the woke crap they shove on the public....
I am the same age as you and feel the same way, what the hell happened, from excellence to crap!
same ,
same age, but here in the US. i've watched our news go from who, what, where, and now are nothing more than opinion pieces where facts are checked later if at all.
@@jamesmontgomery9464 Why am I not surprised?
About time normalnpeople stand up and kick these woke degenerates.
Imagine if the BBC just reported news and didn't feel the need to interject personal opinions into everything.
Spot on.
you mean like gb news
As well as Costa just concentrating on selling coffee.
BBC is the British version of America's CNN-Fake News.
Damn near every friggen 'news' program is guilty of that these friggen days. I'm in Canada, can't get unbiased news here. It's pathetic. And so are these 'reporters', pathetic.
I’m an American Air Force veteran, Security Police on a B-52 base. This was a “famous” bomber mission. 53 men lost their lives, 3 ended up POW’s, and 8 birds were lost. God bless the RAF. 🇬🇧🇺🇸
When you are forced to make an apology it means exactly ZERO
True not worth keep asking apologies we should just switch
There should be no need for apologises if you did your job correctly an got thing right,and the money they get paid is immoral.
What sort of people openly desecrate the memories of brave men.
What a shameful thing to do.
Wokies. The PC brigade.
Don't forget the ongoing project they are involved in to rewrite history!
@damionkeeling3103 I disagree. The water released from the two dams breached damaged or destroyed huge swathes of infrastructure. Fixing that, plus rebuilding the dams pulled large numbers of workers and masses of resources away from the front-line war effort. Furthermore, German defences had to be stretched even more to cover dams and similar structures. Dissipating their effectiveness.
Also, the success of the dams raid led to giving Barnes Wallis the credibility to get his "earthquake bombs" into use. They were used many times, to great effect. Most notably, on Tirpitz and the Bielfeld viaduct.
War is evil. People die. That's just fact. Don't forget the Germans invented the V1, V2 and V3 specifically random terror weapons. They were also engaged in practices no sane human could contemplate.
I would rather none of the people had to die, axis or allied.
@@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars I concur with every comment you make.
The direct hit on the Tirpitz from that height was incredible. So too the very near misses which were also sufficient to put this mighty ship out of action.
'' WAR IS HELL, BUT THE MAIN THING IS, THAT YOU WIN, YOU BLOODYWELL WIN, THEN TO HELL WITH IT''. (sir Arther Harris )''.@@damionkeeling3103
BBC should simply apologise for everything and then close down
The BBC (Building Britain's Caliphate)🙄
Their words are meaningless, just close down quickly and quietly
@@annehunter624 in English....?
@@annehunter624 unfortunately not.
Comment of the week for me ! Going to be laughing all day.
I've actually been in a television news room many years ago and the script is proof read by at least 3 people before going onto the autocue to avoid this sort of mistake. This was deliberate.
And they STILL read sentences that make no sense.
The person responsible should be sacked .
Many years ago, there were proofreaders. They, and other forms of quality control are now considered by the non-journalists who own most media outlets to be an unnecessary expense.
@greenmachine478 I'm not just talking about newspapers. Read the Chiron captions on just about any local newscast and not a few national ones.
Of course, they look scholarly next to the great majority of online efforts.
EDIT: Though I see you've since added a reference to the Beeb.
a journalist is basically a person who records events etc , in writing , so english and understanding it is paramount , so the excuse that Nugent didn't know the meaning is utter rubbish
Sack her.
She should have checked with BBC Verify !
Reading from an autocue is a presenter not a journalist
Yes, Auntie BBC made Prince Andrew Sweat profusely. 😄 🤣
@@GawdonBennett But who wrote the script on the autocue?
I suggest the bbc send a reporter to the IWM Duxford to look at a Lancaster Bomber, listen to the talks about it and then stand in awe of the men who flew the tin can of a plane aged 18 and over … it’s amazing that they managed to do what they did.
Indeed and its even more amazing to hear that the women delivered them solo no weapons no co-pilot no navigator as much i salute the men that flew i also salute those brave women that delivered all of the aircraft solo to their base of operation.
@@apocalypticweasel9078 and no instrumentation! I am always pointing this fact out !
@greenmachine478 no obviously; the bbc of the 1940s was a very different organisation…it was the national broadcaster, the only broadcaster of its day. Referring to the Dam Busters raids as infamous was just wrong.
@greenmachine478they are talking about the modern bbc spazmoid
IWM are a jokeshop museum.
I suggest she makes a trip to one of the Northern France military cemetarys full of 18 to 45 yearolds who died so that she was free to spout such rubbish and next time think before she speaks.
Great comment.
Well stated. These creatures are pure evil. Truly despicable.
They died so she can speak English and not German.
@@keegan773 Very well stated, they died so she can express her "mistaken" opinion also.
these young fools just dont understand
She sits on a sofa, free to make such insulting comments, because of those very fine and brave men who gave their lives for our freedom.
Dear BBC, ignorance is no defence!
go woke go broke
And not ignorance deliberate anti British 😤 the should be made to change thier name 🙄
@@louloubrow2171why whats wrong with the british bullshiting creaps
Now known as the British Diversity Corporation 🏴.
They knew what they were saying, they blatantly hate the white British working class.
They only apologize because they’re caught lying, they’re hardly ever genuinely sorry!
Woke kids running the loony asylum that is now the media in the UK and the world.
They weren't caught lying, they were caught neo-naughty sympathising, and they're only sorry they got caught. It's a disgrace.
Once upon a time the BBC was something we in the UK could be proud of. I for one resent having to pay for these people's wages through the TV tax that is the license fee.
Leave the country then - I resent your presence here.
Perhaps we should all refuse to pay. I for one do not watch BBC at all unless doctor who is on but I might be giving that a miss from now on. 😅 The reporters and presenters are biased and abysmal. Cannot trust them at all.
@@elainewhite7815
> The reporters and presenters are biased
NO
THEY
ARE
NOT
@@anonnona8099 oh yes they are.
@@elainewhite7815 Present some proof then. Actual, genuine, evidence which has been examined by rigorous and objective tests for bias, not the defective, BIASED, fact-free, frothing nonsense of swivel-eyed loonies like you.
Calling the Dambusters "infamous" is scandalously ignorant. Where do they get these people from?
The divvy shop.
We are paying Lots of money for nothing. Close the over paid shower down .
It's like giving somebody money to insult you, and I'm fuming with the situation.
@@shaunfisher9292Lineker?
This bloke makes excuses for everyone,if you don't do your job right you get fired.
@@barneybear1971 Gary Lineker is absolutely right.
Then don't pay. I have chosen not to. I have been affected with nothing.
She knew exactly what she was saying!
The way she said it made it sound VERY deliberate! 🙂❤️🇦🇺
The two presenters should be forced to stand outside bomber command memorial in Lincoln and apologise to all the veterans
Yes! Why not invite them and let them know.
They's get lost trying to find it , then blame someone else !
The last veteran of the dams raid is already dead.
Blowing up dams is now considered to be a war crime, so I think you should cut the presenters a bit of slack.
@jeremypnet Start by telling the Americans that. They have blown up more dams than anyone, starting in Korea.
@@jeremypnet Finally some sense. Was everyone out celebrating when the Russians blew the Nova Kakhovka dam? I don't think so, it's now considered a criminal act, a crime of war. People need to realise that.
God bless them boys who flew that mission
British bashing corporation is a joke
"Lest we forget" clearly the BBC has, does it have the credibility and backing of the British public to remain as an enforced publicly funded organization ?
The BBC got rid of Simon Mayo, Steve Wright and Ken Bruce - I refuse to listen to BBC 2 now. The Dambusters comment was so typical of todays BBC. They are detestable.
Is Simon related to Chairman Mao?
The word you were looking for was infamous
Good, the BBC should apologise for this and many other things. My grandfather was a bomb aimer with bomber command and was a fantastic man to know. Every time I’m in London I make a point to see the memorial in Green Park, it brings a tear to my eye for my grandfather and the boys of Bomber Command ….I
I still get angry about them paying Lineker 1.2 million pounds a year just to talk about football.I' d guarantee that they could find hundreds of knowledgeable experts, for ONE TENTH of that, to discuss football ! This is licence fee payers' money that he receives,and is a total waste of our money.
I made a comment on this a few weeks ago, so I'm glad it's been brought up. The reporter should be ashamed of saying it and the wokist who wrote her script should be sacked forthwith. How dare they try to shame our young men who died for this country. Absolutely disgusting.
I got sick of Naga Munchetty on breakfast news and stopped watching everything on the BBC
ahhh the famous woke racist
2008..........I stopped watching because all they show is................C RAP!!
I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Naga Munchetty. The BBC got rid of Ken Bruce and brought in Vernon Kay, another motor mouth like Zoe Ball, both of them love to hear their own voices.
@@sandramarshall518Muncheti just struck me as an intolerant nasty cow.
4:24: Not only did the presenter probably not know what "infamous" usually means (that is, "notoriously evil" or "disgraceful"), I'm sure she didn't even know what the Dambusters Raid was all about in the first place (it's not woke, after all, and thus is "bad" -- those "evil" military people destroying a damn!). I, an American, know what that raid was all about and the heroic British airman did to try to push the war effort forward. As a retired U.S. Navy chief petty officer, I salute those heroes of WWII.
If you want to hear news don't look at the BBC for the news,
Indeed not, not when there's an echo-chamber you can use.
The BBC just tells lies, you cannot believe a word they say.
Mike, you, Kevin, and your station, speak for so many of us,
Ive been with you since brexit, please keep doing what you do so well.
I don't think the presenter understood what 'infamous' means, but that is me being charitable. The script writer almost certainly did, however, and that is disgraceful.
True and the scriptwriter should be exposed, probably lives in Hampstead somewhere.
@@bertiescunsbutch9323 I agree.
I hate the BBC and have done for some time but I’m still disgusted that they could say this my blood is boiling
They don’t like the Dambusters because of the name its leader gave to his dog.
Political correctness gone mad.
If I Ever get a black Labrador that's what I'm calling it 👍 BLM, black Labradors matter 😂
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doesn’t quite work that way round…
@@user-sg2nt7dq4w😂😂
@@user-sg2nt7dq4w
Of course it works written down - but not when you get it the wrong way round
It reminds me of an article on the BBC website around the centenary of the end of the First World War, where the BBC asked a number of historians who they thought was responsible for that war. All but one said Germany. The other said Austro-Hungary. All the historians gave explanations for their answers. The next paragraph started with "Some historians blame Britain" - none of the ones they'd actually asked though. The BBC offered no explanation or justification for that statement, let alone any evidence. The reality is, they just hate this country and will do any amount of intellectual gymnastics in order to find fault with it, even to the point of completely rewriting history. I am so glad that I no longer give those treacherous swine my money.
str: Read the book "The Pity of War" by Niall Ferguson.
Shameful broadcasting from the soon ex-public broadcaster.
Rightfully she should apologise.
To be fair to the BBC, when I challenged one of their senior newsroom staff about their choice of words, they fully justified what had happened - they explained that the WWII British fight against the Germans and the Italians was a dreadful example of Brexit-induced xenophobia.
Wouldn’t surprise me tbh 😂
Were they sorry you ´feel´ upset about the evil British defending Western values
😂😂😂😂
Ah yes - I see that now. Sorry Benito and Adolf.
???
Famous. Daring. Heroic. Just a few words.
Those guys sacrificed their lives when it was Britiain alone. They call it infamous. I am disgusted.
We were alone in 1943 were we?
Britain alone? In 1943? Seems you’re as ignorant as that BBC cretin. Now we’re disgusted at your lack of knowledge. Your turn to apologise. Keep quiet in future if you’re this clueless about a topic.
Britain was alone? Say that to the face of a veteran from the many countries that sent hundreds of thousands of their young men and women to fight in Europe and in support of Britain.
The fact your ignorant comment has got so many likes says a lot about this channel and its clientele.
Just Stop Paying The Licence Fee!
Never watch the crap BBC .I got more respect for my TV.
But no respect for your knowledge.
Now just go away and dribble in a corner somewhere.
I don't believe this the first time the BEEB has addressed the Dambusters raid in this way. Difference is they've been forced to apologise this time. Someone needs suspending for this & to go face a veterans group in order to offer an explanation!
Struggling for money? So why send 500 people to cover Glastonbury?
Here in Australia - It is, quite often, referred to as "The British Broadcorping Castration"
Blimey what next , the 'infamous' Battle of Britain.
The BBC describe anyone who isn't 'nice ' like Sophie Raynor or Fiona Bruce as 'controversial.'
Sophie Raworth only got her job because of family friend Greg Dyke, who also infamously said the BBC is hideously white.
Sophie Rawarth I think you mean.
@@nickhickson8738
Thankyou for spell check. Yes the lovely sensible, safe pair of hands, Sophie.
@@nickhickson8738 Raworth!
To be fair, the Few were shooting down foreigners who were coming over to this country illegally and uninvited. You can't expect the BBC to support that sort of thing.
Disgrace to the memory of those brave men including a relative who did not come back from the raid
I’m shocked that people still sit all night, sedentary in front of a TV screen, never mind the BBC drivel!
What else would I do? Watch the wall to see if it moves?
I suppose I could take up knitting... Could get a rocking chair.
@@dlarge6502 Start reading!
@@dlarge6502 go walking, listen to music, get a hobby, go to a group, yoga, line dancing, knitting, crocheting, needlepoint, painting, photography, visit relatives, read a book, get a qualification, visit friends if you have any? Make friends! Gardening, etc so many things in this world to take an interest in. But no you’d rather sit your arse down for hours, stuffing your face, sedentary, then wonder why you get arthritis or god forbid, cancer because you where sedentary! Getting programmed by the BBC and all the other shite on how you should react, behave and most importantly, how you should think! Or paint those fecking walls! 🤣😀
Me too.
I don't think there's many these days. Just a few older people.
If that mission and other dangerous missions had failed that despicable woman wouldn't be here. She should be ashamed of herself.
She won't be ashamed of herself, but that's ok... most other people are ashamed of her anyway. 🤣😎🇨🇦
She reads that crap off an autocue, so she's just a robot reading whats printed..! It's those who write that crap that are to blame..!
The woke BBC reporters wouldn’t last a week with a real news group
The BBC lacks a backbone when it comes to allowing (mis-managing) "political" statements made by those (presenters/editors/script writers) who have that opportunity to do so.
No. They lack morals and ethics. It is, overall, an evil organisation.
I am Brazilian... Member of my family die fighting on side of British and Italians against the Nazis and they call our British Heros " INFAMOUS" ??? its the great great offense that I ever listen agains true heroes of freedom.
If all of the mistakes go in only one direction then they are not mistakes.
In the 1980s, me and Mom visited a Lancaster displayed in the local aircraft museum (Perth). At that time former WWII pilots used to volunteer their time in the museum. Mom was chatting with them, and one of them apologized for one gent not saying a word. I did not think twice about the silent man, but anyways, we were told that he was a former Lancaster crew member who was so traumatized that he would walk around the museum all day in silence.
It is because of the courage of men like this that we have freedom today. War is vile and brutal, but liberty cannot be sold to aggressors whose only intent is to enslave the world.
The P.R. expert is what is wrong with the BBC and PR in general, if the people in the BBC don't know what a word means they should not be in the role they have. Defending such stupidity is also not what the PR guy should be doing, he should be telling the Moronic bosses of the BBC why they are wrong, and why they should issue an apology and a retraction of their statements
@alanpickstock5568
And if you are not capable of capitalising words correctly then you should not be taking on the role of criticising other people's ignorance.
I dare not say what I'd like to !! But suffice to say that the dambusters were HEROES, and will forever remain so. There feat of courage bravery and skill will never be surpassed.
She said it in May this year as well.
It's a shame that the presenter didn't have the gumption to correct it as she was reading it. Although she probably didn't know the difference between infamous and famous. One would have thought that having a basic vocabulary would be a necessary qualification for a news reader.
Paid a fortune and apparently uneducated. Where will it end?
My parents were children in occuppied Europe during WW2. They cheered the Allied bombers flying overhead.
It formed part of the infamous victory of the Allies over the Axis powers.
@@shaunfisher9292To have happened.
Don't forget the 'infamous liberation' of the concentration camp victims.
Infamous?
When the men of bomber command climbed into bombers night after night they knew they had a 46% chance of not surviving, many of those that did were seriously injured or spent the war in terrible prison camps.
As a truck driver of many years I used to listen to radio one, two, four (comedy) and 5 live depending on my mood. But as the BBC started to get rid of the older DJ's and replace them with dross I moved to independent stations, I used to love the comedy on radio 4, but that turned into a an echo chamber for the left wing, especially on the panel shows. It must be coming up to 15 years since I stopped watching tv and 10 years for listening to BBC radio, don't miss it one bit. Keep sending those letters tv licencing, they go straight in the bin unopened.
@johnlawrence7386
> I used to love the comedy on radio 4, but that turned into a an echo
> chamber for the left wing, especially on the panel shows.
You are laughably defective. An echo chamber for the left wing? Whilst I'm sure you're an expert on echo chambers, you're rather hard-of-thinking when it comes to political balance. I bet you think the Mail and the Express are left-wing biased too.
> Keep sending those letters tv licencing, they go straight in the bin unopened
Fair enough, if you don't have a TV.
I used to like the Punt and Dennis stuff but it just became a pro Labour rant. I listened for entertainment, not a political lecture .
@@ChoppingtonOtter One reason I gave up on that, you are supposed to be doing a comedy show not a labour party political broadcast
@@ChoppingtonOtter
> I used to like the Punt and Dennis stuff but it just became a pro Labour rant.
Please present proof that Punt and Dennis spoke or shouted at length in an angry, impassioned way in support of the Labour Party.
Actual, genuine, EVIDENCE, I mean, which has been examined by rigorous and objective tests for bias.
@@anonnona8099Oh....not you again? You appear to be a pro-BBC leftie?
🤣😂😆 "...words can travel world 3 or 4 times before you make your cup of tea..." 😆👍👍👍
So it took her three months to apologise. Why was that?
Because she meant every derogatory word putting down our armed forces who lost their lives so she could spout anti-British hatred live on TV - what an awful excuse for a human being she is!
She didn't fully understand the meaning of the word "apologize"? 😎🇨🇦
I really really really resent having to pay a license fee. I believe it is criminal to take this fee from people, especially when the BBC has so many commercial interests International
@angela-qd5mq I don't know what this tax form is so I might be missing something, but I don't think you are legally required to do anything.
You're not required to get a licence for something you don't do so if you don't watch LIVE TV just don't get a licence (or let your licence expire if you currently have one).
I continued to pay for my TV licence for seven years (that's £700+) before I looked into it and realised I hadn't watched LIVE TV at all during that time and I didn't expect to be doing so again as other habits and avenues for media have surpassed only watching what someone else decides to broadcast right now.
The best thing anyone can do is get rid of the indoctrination box its an open sewer running through your living room.
It just defies belief how the BBC behaves! Where did nugent go to school and what will she be saying next?
Heroic is the word for the raid. God bless y'all sincerely from America.
The BBC know exactly what their doing, this constant drip drip……..it’s time to cancel the license fee
News outlets need to report the news and not their opinions . Opinions , like advertising , can be bought and paid for ! I don't want your opinion , I have a brain that had worked for 70 yrs. years without your bleeping opinions ! Do your job and only your job , report the news ! The public does not want your opinion !
The network wanted Walter Cronkite to do an opinion segment.
He told them that if they ever brought the subject up again, he would quit on the spot.
What about the BBC reporting fake news and being biased politically. I rarely watch the BBC because of this and it is a shame Borkowski wasn’t asked about their inability to be neutral.
@trevorlangridge
> What about the BBC reporting fake news and being biased politically.
> I rarely watch the BBC because of this
No, the reason you don't watch it is because you are so stupid and/or deranged that you think they report fake news and are politically biased.
You are allergic to truth, and facts.
We here in Australia, have our very own BBC, that being the ABC, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. They hate Australians.
Sadly, so true. However, they do love bludgers, whingers, alcoholics, child abusers, lefties, shoplifters, granny bashers, car thieves, burglars and welfare cheats. Especially those of the conveniently Canadian term, first nations, persons.
the infamous bbc
And the infamous Sally Nugent!
🎼🎵 Imagine a world where the press actually reported the news in an unbiased fashion? Its easy if you can... 🎵
Concentrate on educating pupils in English Language Grammar and Vocabulary, that way there won't be very basic mistakes made by those that have 'passed' through the system.
They HAVE all passed the system. No one is allowed to fail in case it hurts their feelings.
The character who used this word is, presumably, a graduate, and therefore one assumes- perhaps naively- she is educated to a reasonable standard. Therefore, for such a person to claim ignorance of the word's meaning is totally unconvincing.
Nugent is a boring beige woman who could not hold the attention of a goldfish!
Shameful
I suspect the 'infamous' blunder is the result of today's poor education system.
The person who wrote the script did not realise that 'infamous' is usually taken to mean 'famous for doing something bad'. Hitler was certainly famous, but not in a good way, so he could be described as 'infamous'.
It's down to ignorance ('lack of knowledge') on the part of whoever wrote the original script (or, if this was a spontaneous remark, on the part of the presenter) and also on the part of the co-presenter who could have corrected the mistake there and then.
(The BBC have fallen a long way since they were a company which could field the likes of 'Pride and Prejudice'. If they made that adaptation, now, Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth would have to be black, at the very least, if not 'trans', and no-one would watch it!)
Incredible innovation, incredible bravery, incredibly sad loss of life. The BBC are so out of touch with even their own history let alone the history of the past 300 years. The film had the infamous “N’ word for the black Labrador. Back then, educated people knew Latin. It was as innocent as that. But no, we must self flagellate which I believe is another Latin trait.
What's the link between the BBC and Michael Anderson's film?
Did you know, BTW, that ITV, Channel 4, and Film4 have broadcast censored versions, but the BBC hasn't?
@greenmachine478 so the guy was trying to insult his dog?
I gave up on BBC television years ago, but I did listen to Radio 2 from 6am to 6 pm Monday to Friday, now I only listen to Radio 2 on a Saturday most of the day and Sunday morning. I still listen to Radio 4 extra but some of the programs I listened to were part payed for by my great grandparents! The BBC like our politicians are out of touch with the general public, hopefully they will realise their errors and apologise to us all and start putting things right before it's too late, perhaps they might realise that their " infamous " Radio broadcasts helped this once great country and its allies win the last World War with its coded messages
I like the today program but I have noticed the BBC quality has gone down and the presenters personal viewpoint has started coming through in many ways.
The job of a presenter/newsreader/reporter is to use language at a professional level. It is therefore, not unreasonable to expect them to be professionally competent in their chosen language.
GB News is pretty damn good!
I would have baulked at watching GBN a few years' ago, but I now watch it a lot. A complete turnaround for me.
you would think so called " journalists" would know the meaning of the words they are using, especially on live tv !!!!
So many badly educated people are writing and presenting!
Mark Borkowski showed his true colors by stating that BOTH presenters from the BBC were unfamiliar with the meaning of the word "infamous" - repeated twice. Him shifting around, uncomfortably, in his seat as he was discussing the matter showed he was simply trying to cover for the BBC.
Anyone with the slightest hint of an education knows what "infamous" means. What a pathetic excuse. They're taking their paid audience for idiots. They have no shame.
Nugent presumably 'went ter uni', where she probably read media studies, or some other challenging subject. Thanks, Tony Blair.
You have 'hit the nail on the head', just looked it up. Degree in...Communication Arts and French, University of...Huddersfield. God help us.
Oh and by the way, I think that means, the art of communication, not Communication and Art!
Meeja studees
@@laurentaylor4933 She is just a Dunderhead!
An apology means nothing, an admission of error means more...
I love Plank Of The Week. Brilliant stuff.
Mike Graham has just done an excellent report on Dan Wootton. No stone unturned.
Cambridge dictionary definition “famous for something considered bad”
Is it considered bad? If not, why not, if we are going to categorise Russia's damage to the Kakhovka Dam as bad?
@@anonnona8099 that’s your opinion which you are entitled to hold and express, it’s not for the bbc to provide opinion it’s to report the news in an unbiased way.
@@lovevwltd7114 The problem is that there are people out there so twisted and biased, so utterly unable to accept anything other than their RWL fantasies being replayed to them that they will ALWAYS attack the BBC if they don't use the words that they, the swivel-eyed, want used.
Just look at the insanity of some of the dribblers here, calling for the BBC to be shut down because of ONE WORD which they didn't like.
I used to listen to a lot of radio 4, over the pase few years I now listen almost none.
A company called the British Broadcasting Corporation that doesn’t really like Britain, British people or Britishness very much.
Liar.
The bbc is very good at employing and protecting a certain type of people.
I have TH-cam premium for documentaries and Netflix for films, not watched a 'BBC' program for over 2 years but I am STILL paying for services I do not use or have no intention of using, this has to change. The TV Licence was fine when we only had 3 TV channels and 2 of them were BBC, but not anymore.
If you don't watch live tv or record live tv or watch BBC I player, you don't need a license. But even if you do, well it's up to you, but they will never know anyway, unless you tell them.......
I am proud of that raid and proud of the brave men who gave there lives in the name of freedom, we we’re fighting a evil country who were murdering millions of people around the world and at the end of the day we we’re fighting for our lives