btw: check out how many other drivers (lauda, winkelhock, ickx) attested bellof's skills, it was just the right "material" missing. so, no matter which advantages the cossworth engine had in particular circumstances, and no matter if the car was lighter, the rich ass teams still had better material, engineers and aerodynamics, u can't deny that.
So to the sum total: 1. Bellof had a normally aspirated car in a circuit where turbo cars were at an disadvantage. 2. Normally aspirated cars are easier to drive in the rain on any circuit, any driver will tell you that. 3. The ´84 Tyrrell was underweight. Their cheating was so serious they got ALL their results and points excluded from the 1984 season. A punishment nobody has gotten before or since. They used lead bearings to reach minimum weight post race. Lead. You never knew this. A shock.
How did Keke Rosberg win in Monaco '83 with a Cosworth V8 against Piquet's way more powerful Brabham-BMW turbo (won him the title that year) and Alain Prost in the Renault turbo? Simple. Rosberg could utillize the smooth, progressive power delivery of the Cosworth V8 in the corners of Monaco. As a matter of fact his team mate Laffite was 2nd behind him for almost the entire race, but had to retire with gearbox problems. Driving in a dry Monaco with a turbo car was tough enough, let alone rain.
Bellof's Tyrrell was powered by a Normally Aspirated V8, which was way easier to drive in the corners and in the wet than the difficult turbo cars everybody else were using. Also later in the year it was revealed Tyrrell had been cheating and had filled the gas tanks of their cars with lead bearings when being weighed post race. So Bellof's car may have been some 100kilos lighter than the others too... Tyrrell lost all their points and places for the 1984 season.
So that makes Roland Ratzenberger, Riccardo Paletti, Tom Pryce, Jo Schlesser and Tony Brice "dead legends" too?? Ever heard of them? Aren't you the one that is the great expert and me just the one that got all my knowledge from youtube? Let me tell you something: I have read several books written by motorsport journalist legends and biographies. I also read Motorsport Magazine (which has been around since 1924 thank you very much) which is one of the heavy weights in the area of expertise.
Since you can't even spell to embarrassment (two R's and an A) it's ironic of you to call somebody else that. Btw, who told you you must drive the cars to know their basic characteristics?? Listen up, the early turbo cars were powerful but they only really had an advantage on circuits with long straights. On circuits such a Monaco their turbo lag made them slow in the corners. Nelson Piquet admitted he simply rolled the car through the corners and floored it on the straights.
Also I wasn't taking a "shot" at Bellof as much as at Tyrrell. I am certain you had no idea Tyrrell HAD cheated for the 1984 season so this came very much as a shock to you.Mind you Tyrrell got caught whereas others teams have gotten away with their cheating for other seasons.Thank to a certain Bernie Ecclestone (who only supports whoever makes "good business") seeing between the fingers certain other teams have gotten away with their questionably legal car Shame on your pettyminded behavior.
don't take shots at (dead) legends. you're an embaressment! good that u drove both the '84 tyrrell and the other turbo powered cars so that u can tell the exact difference.. ;) classical "expert" with knowledge based on wikipedia and youtube ;) btw: check out who still owns record on nurburgring... ;)
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btw: check out how many other drivers (lauda, winkelhock, ickx) attested bellof's skills, it was just the right "material" missing. so, no matter which advantages the cossworth engine had in particular circumstances, and no matter if the car was lighter, the rich ass teams still had better material, engineers and aerodynamics, u can't deny that.
Bellof is the Rain Master !
senna o numero 1
So to the sum total:
1. Bellof had a normally aspirated car in a circuit where turbo cars were at an disadvantage.
2. Normally aspirated cars are easier to drive in the rain on any circuit, any driver will tell you that.
3. The ´84 Tyrrell was underweight. Their cheating was so serious they got ALL their results and points excluded from the 1984 season. A punishment nobody has gotten before or since. They used lead bearings to reach minimum weight post race. Lead.
You never knew this. A shock.
@flitzo111 Ainsi qu'Ayrton bien sûr, les maîtres de la pluie ce jour-là à Monaco !
How did Keke Rosberg win in Monaco '83 with a Cosworth V8 against Piquet's way more powerful Brabham-BMW turbo (won him the title that year) and Alain Prost in the Renault turbo?
Simple. Rosberg could utillize the smooth, progressive power delivery of the Cosworth V8 in the corners of Monaco. As a matter of fact his team mate Laffite was 2nd behind him for almost the entire race, but had to retire with gearbox problems.
Driving in a dry Monaco with a turbo car was tough enough, let alone rain.
Bellof's Tyrrell was powered by a Normally Aspirated V8, which was way easier to drive in the corners and in the wet than the difficult turbo cars everybody else were using. Also later in the year it was revealed Tyrrell had been cheating and had filled the gas tanks of their cars with lead bearings when being weighed post race. So Bellof's car may have been some 100kilos lighter than the others too... Tyrrell lost all their points and places for the 1984 season.
Bellof a mes yeux etait aussi bon que Ayrton Senna. mais helas ces 2 la , nous ont quitter trop vite !! merci !!
So that makes Roland Ratzenberger, Riccardo Paletti, Tom Pryce, Jo Schlesser and Tony Brice "dead legends" too?? Ever heard of them? Aren't you the one that is the great expert and me just the one that got all my knowledge from youtube?
Let me tell you something: I have read several books written by motorsport journalist legends and biographies. I also read Motorsport Magazine (which has been around since 1924 thank you very much) which is one of the heavy weights in the area of expertise.
Since you can't even spell to embarrassment (two R's and an A) it's ironic of you to call somebody else that.
Btw, who told you you must drive the cars to know their basic characteristics?? Listen up, the early turbo cars were powerful but they only really had an advantage on circuits with long straights. On circuits such a Monaco their turbo lag made them slow in the corners. Nelson Piquet admitted he simply rolled the car through the corners and floored it on the straights.
i didn't call them legends, and you didn't take shots at them. read, think, then reply... i tohught you are into reading man? :)
Also I wasn't taking a "shot" at Bellof as much as at Tyrrell. I am certain you had no idea Tyrrell HAD cheated for the 1984 season so this came very much as a shock to you.Mind you Tyrrell got caught whereas others teams have gotten away with their cheating for other seasons.Thank to a certain Bernie Ecclestone (who only supports whoever makes "good business") seeing between the fingers certain other teams have gotten away with their questionably legal car
Shame on your pettyminded behavior.
The rear wings look ugly, especially those little baby wings on either side of the big wing.
don't take shots at (dead) legends. you're an embaressment! good that u drove both the '84 tyrrell and the other turbo powered cars so that u can tell the exact difference.. ;) classical "expert" with knowledge based on wikipedia and youtube ;) btw: check out who still owns record on nurburgring... ;)