There is a story that Van Amersfoort (the team owner F3) spoke to a journalist about Max saying he was a once in a generation kind of talent. A year later he spoke to the same journalist, I know what I told you last year, but I have another one, this time talking about Charles of course.
@@TommoMcCluskey But wait, there’s more!.. When Van Amersfoort was looking for a replacement for Max, Max himself recommended.. Charles! Edit: This was said some time ago by Tom Coronel during a dutch F1 broadcast on Ziggo. I can’t cite an exact source unfortunately.
@@aydankhaliq2967 No, according to his wiki page Senna competed for Van Diemen, Rushen Green and West Surrey Racing in his junior race car career during 1981, 1982 and 1983 respectively. Winning all of them.
the fact that they are 16 days aparte and faced each other on 33 ocasiones from 2010 to 2013 is insane considering their F1 numbers are #16 and #33, what kind of predestined (CL) rivalry is this!?!?!?!?
Max didn't actually have that much money backing. His advantage comes from being taught all the tricks by both parents at an early age. Jos had trouble paying for Max before F3 already I believe.
@@letsBrn For what series? I know a story of Max ruining a front wing (before F3 I believe) and they had to pay 75k and Jos had to take out a loan or something.
Lol you think an f1 driver wouldn't have enough money to get his son into karting or junior formula Well maybe he exhausted all his money paying for the lawsuit against him...when he punched people in karting or when he beat his ex gf
@@TommoMcCluskey Oh absolutely. But my point was more about where the real advantage came from. Obviously they had the money to get Max the good karting parts and stuff.
This battle is what I was waiting for since Charles entered F1. I have always been sure that these two, being the same age, would have battled for at least 10 Yeats in this category, and having these two generational talento comepting against each other is our best luck as fans :)
Charles definitely has more emotional and special journey than Max. This man went through 3 death throughout his career. Won F2 Baku by big margin 3 days after his father died. His first win after Hubert died and his godfather Jules Bianchi death. Overcoming these death at such young age definitely changed his ability as a driver
I'd say they both have very sentimental journey's. Both come with motivations to make their fathers proud, but while Charles's story is one of love and grief, Max's is one of though discipline.
Max and Charles share a lot elements what Schumi and Häkkinen had. The long history from karting to this day is clearly seen as mutual respect with no BS type of communication.
This rivalry has probably even more potential than the Max vs Lewis one. And I actually really enjoyed the epic gloves-off, battle-of-the-generations, class-of-their-own title fight between Max and Lewis in 2021.
@@TommoMcCluskey Ya, it's true, but I meant that by saying the battle for the championships in the last decade, not their rivalry in the races..... At least this Charles vs Max duo will have hopes of producing something like Senna vs Prost......
Personally still got Max to win the WDC mostly due to his previous experience in such a close title fight. I think he'll be more consistent over the season... assuming the reliability gets sorted.
It will likely come down to who's car is better. If the cars end up being really close for the rest of the season, I would give the advantage to Max, but if Ferrari can maintain a car advantage (on most tracks), then I think Leclerc will win.
@@syncmonism dont see it Leclerc isnt that consistent and will make a mistake over the season and we will see classic ferrari not upgrading and being shit for the second half
@@syncmonism I am hoping that they stay relatively close throughout the year. But of course if one team improves better than the other they'll probably take the win.
@@ehrlichgesagt863 I agree. Charles is still like pre 2020 Max, amazing driver but a mistake is expected here and there. Max has finally cleaned up his driving and makes almost no mistakes, but we did see him begin to crack towards the end of 2021. I think we'll see something similar out of Charles if the championship stays close.
@@myka4337 he didn’t crack for a second towards the end. It was the new engine merc being 15 mph faster in a strait line. Brazil wasn’t even cracking, he was just doing everything possible to stay ahead without crashing either of them out. If he went with a classic Hamilton silverstone move, it would’ve been a more comfortable championship win coasting to second every race
I think Leclerc is on 2019's Verstappen level. Capable of winning a championship but not as dominant in terms of as a driver. Really looking forward to this season and beyond.
Max didn't have a moment like Leclerc's Imola spin for the entirety of 2019, 2020 and most of 2021. The closest thing to a spin is either his Monza crash or pushing Lewis off in Interlagos. Charles still hasn't shown he can go through a season without making a couple of costly mistakes.
@@suckieduckie The major one for max is 2020 turkey spin. Other than that no mistakes as such. (pushes are intentional so not counting them as a mistake)
@@suckieduckie Yeah, the jeddah 21.. Forgot about it. Its more major than the turkey 20. 1 per season is okayish I guess. lets see if max does one this season and charles doesnt do any other.. But what a battle again it is gonna be this season.
@@divyateja8909 I think Turkey was bigger to be honest. Jeddah didn't cost him much as he still started from P2 if I recall correctly. I can honestly see Max not making a major mistake all season, but even then If Charles doesn't make any mistakes anymore himself he could very well still beat Max.
I prefer Charles way of racing, almost always proper wheel to wheel racing with him. Max is a monster of a racer tho and might get the better of him this year, if redbull fixes the reliabilty issues... I just hope the two of them will have the greatest of rivalries in the history of the sport!
Well put. I see Max as the more "complete" driver but his style has become much smoother and less aggressive and oversteer-oriented in recent years, while Charles is the new Seb - blinding one-lap pace and untouchable if the car is set up right for him. But actually I believe the two have become more similar in driving styles in recent years
@@daftlad526 Yes! As of now Max is a more consistent racer. He also has double the experience. I feel like Leclerc is a bit underestimated tho and has just as much potential in the long run. Only time will tell. :)
@@braineater65 What a load of bs, "almost always proper wheel to wheel racing with him." lol. It's not any different with Max and Max is better at wheel to wheel racing. Also Max doesn't have "double the experience"
@@hoya1178 Wow! You're a salty boy aren't you. I guess we see it differently then. And yes he does since he has been 3-4 years longer in formula 1, and much longer in a competetive car. Just because I dont think your favorit driver is the best thing since sliced bread. You're going to call everything not promoting him bullshit? Grow up dude haha.
personally I am quite certain that this rivalry between the two will never go too far, certainly not at the 2021 level with Lewis. certainly during the season there will be contacts, accidents, controversies if you fight for the title, but from the outside you can see a big difference in the relationship between the two compared to their relationship with Lewis. despite as explained (once again) very well by Tommo, they clashed practically for half of their life, still today they have a splendid relationship, and despite two strong characters, we often see them chatting and laughing together. I think the difference is given by the fact that they grew up together sportingly, and growing together despite the "rivalry", you know your opponent well, you respect him enormously. last year here in Italy there was an interview with Charles where he says he would have been happy to see Max world champion, and that he values him very much as a rider and as a person. the same thing can be said of Max with Charles (like the post-race compliments in Bahrain for example). in fact if you think about it, many peers or similar in f1 are very friends with each other, Max and Charles but also Alex, Lando, George, Pierre. and as normal that it is mostly off the track they have different ratios than a Lewis or Sebastian for example.
True. I think the younger drivers know to keep their work and personal life separate, which I greatly admire. And yes, we did have the Ocon v Verstappen drama, but that seemed to have fizzled down too. Despite immense media pressure, I believe they should stay friends. And honestly, only Hamilton seems to be the isolated driver at times. The rest of the grid get along real well.
@@fazzzykahn6516 I never said Hamilton is the problem. He seems to like being isolated from the rest of them (possibly cause he probably treats F1 as strictly work or for some other reason). That's his choice. I just made an observation.
tbh hamilton vs verstappen was overexaggerated by the media, it really turned into a christian horner vs toto wolff rivalry towards the end of the season, with both drivers having mutual respect for one another.
Experience wise Max already fight and beat someone for the championship, and it was none other than Sir Lewis Hamilton, arguably one of the greatest of all times. This is a huge mental boost for the Dutch
I hope to see them fight again and bring that rivalry, even Max said that 2022 was way fun while him and Charles fought that he did with Lewis because of the history they've shared, they respect each other so looking forward to that
great stuff Tommo, compliments! For me they’re both on top. I am so happy for Charles that after 2 miserable years he finally got the car from Ferrari with which he can show what we have been waiting for for years. We have a great season ahead of us and I'm just loving it! Although I'm Dutch and a big fan of Max, I also really enjoy Charles, I don't care (well maybe a little) who becomes champion, they both deserve it, but let them fight hard for it….so we can all enjoy it!
I love Charles' journey into F1. Didn't make a significant impression at the start, but got better and better in each category he entered. It's the journey to the top that's more exciting for me. Max was obviously a very impressive youngster, but I would've loved to have seen him dominate the junior formulas before getting into F1.
I honestly can't decide. I'm a fan of both of them, which is funny, because they couldn't be more different personality-wise, but they're both ruthless and ridiculously fast on track. That battle in Silverstone '19 was epic as hell, and that's what I want to see from them for the whole season.
Lewis and Max first years in F1 as rookies was insane, Max impressing instantly and well Lewis just 1 point behind to win a Championship. Superb stuff.
@@davidmendrei6228 sounds like you are new to F1, literally. 2007 standings, Hamilton 2nd, Alonso 3rd. Like I mentioned, this just proves your unhealthy bias.
I’m really enjoying this season, great duels between Max and Charles but gotta say it man, Max is a beast, since last season the only time he finished a race and wasn’t a least P2 was in Hungary when he finished P9 due a heavily damaged car. That’s nuts. Say what you want about dirty driving or about Abu Dhabi final laps but you gotta respect that. Even Lewis with a car arguably “as good as” Red Bull didn’t have that consistency
Funny, informative, intelligent and timely commentary! Keep this kind of content coming Tommo! Might be nice to use up to 2022 as us then update 2022 segment as the year evolves. This could the best all time rivalry of F1 evolving right before our eyes, and I’ve been watching since 1973.
If you want my thoughts on what could decide the title? It'll be Red Bull's reliability vs. Charles cracking under pressure. Imola showed Charles trying too hard and cracking. Australia and Bahrain showed Red Bull being unreliable. But, holy shit are we looking at an even better title fight than last year!
Just thinking about how Max entered as youngest F1 driver, where Charles completed F3, F2 wins to get here ... But their rivalry was inevitable....etc. etc Suddenly this video was posted
i like how Max Verstappen, Carlos Sainz, Pierre Gasly, Alex Albon, Lando Norris, and Charles Leclerc are friendly. Not so much for Estaben ocon, Lance Strull, and Nick Latitfi.
It makes sense for Stroll and Latifi, Latifi competed in mainly Canada and North America during karting, and didn’t really compete in the same events during single seaters, and he gets on well with Alex Albon too, With Lance it’s the same situation, he came over from Canada and North America to compete so that transition is harder, and he gets on with Esteban too, also Esteban gets on with really well with Mick
Verstappen is a gifted racer, a genius, probably the best on the grid if I had to choose one, he hit his prime last season, but Leclerc and Hamilton are probably the only ones who could stop him at the moment. They've both proven they can battle him.
@@hoya1178 There's no need to lmao at people's legitimate opinions. If that is not his prime what is then? Since you seem to know so well. You expect him to be lapping the entire field twice every race in a year or two?
@@MimMdance There is nothing "legimate" about your opinion, you say that Verstappen hit his prime last season but you present no evidence for it and the fact that Verstappen has gotten better and better each season tells us otherwise.
In most sports, if you keep working, you'll keep improving skill wise for the rest of your career, and your decline begins when your physical losses are larger than your mental gains. If max follows this pattern, we have years, maybe even a decade to go until he his his peak. There are many variables that will decide it.
Absolutely one of your best Tommo! A great format. Would love you to take us through that generation of drivers career in the same fashion. Pierre, Ocon, Alex, George, Carlos (older), Lando (younger) and other names we know but not in F1. Keep up the great content!
They're younger than my youngest child... God I feel old! I don't want the press and everyone else to try to stir up trouble between these guys. They have a lot of respect for each other and it would be lovely to see it continue.
probably your best video to date! The research and effort was top notch. it is going to be an epic season and decade with these two fighting at the front. also Alex is back and driving the hell out of that williams. You couldnt be more happy i bet!
Can people please stop acting like Max had a crap load of money from his dad for karting? Jos was a BACKMARKER for the vast majority of his career. He didn't earn a lot of money. And can we also please remember that Charles's family IS wealthy and he had connections through the Bianchi's (who were good friends with the Todt's)?
Jos spent nearly 10 years in F1 and was close friend to Schumacher. Max used to spend a lot of time in holidays with Michael's family. They had not just the money but the connections as the Verstappen name was big in the Netherlands.
Jos Verstappen didn't have money: he couldn't find sponsors to race in F1. But in the '80s, he was a dominant karter with loads of experience. THAT is what helped Max in his career, NOT money.
In Imola Charles use PU1 with conservative mode to avoid the same issue like Carlos had in Melbourne. Carlos use PU2 and his speed is the same like Max: 295.4 km/hour. If Ferrari gave Charles PU2 in Imola, he win the race. Anyway, Perez speed in that car is FASTEST than Verstappen. Perez speed in Imola is 296.7 km/hour while Verstappen speed is 295.4 km/hour like Carlos Sainz with Power Unit 2. With the same car and WITHOUT NEWEY added aerodynamic in his car, Charles will edge Max out. You skip Bahrain fight this year, fanboy! Leclerc win that duel with battery UNDER 50% because had issues.
@@darkraig7378 That one is basic skill to attack if the driver behind the leader of race. If Max Verstappen start the race in POLE, his duty is just MANAGE tires. Thing that i dislike from his fight style is the way he defend his position. He drag rival out track, clipping rival front wing, zigzag move to blocking rival pass him, or just cut the line to stay ahead. That's why this year his restart moves BANNED because illegal moves. But he win in Abu Dhabi last lap in that way. Thanks to Michael Masi who legalize all his dirty fight style. Only him fan of it. But i saw Max change a lot this year. Horner think he fight Charles in different way. I agree. But my main problem is NOT Max Verstappen. HIS FANATIC fans who insult and under estimate other skill. For me, that one is NOT great style to cheering others hard work.
@@hithesh7665 Bottas was also 2-2 with Hamilton in qualifying in 2017. How stupid would you have looked if you predicted that Bottas is at Hamilton's level. 23 races is a far better measure of comparison than just 4.
@@hithesh7665 bit early to tell yet, but you'd be a fool underestimating Hamilton. I think Hamilton's issues are more mentally atm the blow from last years Championship and the way that car runs. George is mr Saturday for a reason, typically his sundays Arent too great and over a season i think Hamilton will still beat him.
@@Minifliek I would definitely not say Russell is better than Hamilton (that was a joke😂), but I would definitely say Max and Charles are at a higher level than Hamilton.
it is hard to compare in 2023, Max is in a ride that equally distributes tire wear, whereas Ferrari just eats their tires but gets spikes in their performance giving easy poles in some races. They both are in drastically different dynamic atmospheres. Ferrari is a very high stress atmosphere to constantly perform and Red Bull is similar but seems to cater to their champion very well. I would love to see an exhibition race with Max and LeClerc in the same car today. That would be a sight!
Amazing video, absolutely what we needed. I always think of the what if Toto Wolff signed Max before RB did, imagining Max in a Merc against Lewis in 2017.
Great thought, to imagen about,what the results would be till now.How many races and titles would Max than already had won,maybe Hamilton should have won 4/5 titles,already stopped as F1 driver? Just daydreaming and realising,luckely Max isn't driving for Toto Wolf in a Mercedes,that drifts away to be the fastest car of the gritt.
@@Dutchy1979Sleep more. Max would be crushing left and right and would be worse than Bottas. Max started being consistent after he got a car that could win but he could not have pushed an experienced Hammilton in the first years he would get on the fastest car of the grid. Arguably on 2021 he did not best Lewis as well and he got carried by FIA like he got carried up the ranks by his dad’s influence.
If I could offer some constructive criticism- it would just be when referencing these different moments (i.e. silver stone 2019 battle) just to edit in some of these things because it makes me feel like I lack context to the video, and it would be more engaging as well.
Max is like 24 years old with 63 podiums in F1 which is top-10 in podiums of all times & the guy seems that he's only just getting started some serious dominance over the next few years with Red Bull. The numbers at the end of his career will be mind-blowing to say the least.
His stats will undoubtedly be most race starts,most poles, most wins, most podiums, most laps led, most points and probably most WDC. he is going down as the greatest and there's nothing anyone can do about it!
I don't think this championship / rivalry will go the distance... i think Max is going to run away with it. It might be less interesting for the fans, but the way he drives now.... 2022 might be the season where the "most wins in a season"-record gets absolutely shattered. The level of consistency in Max's drive and the way he seems to have eliminated all mistakes from his driving is just unreal. DNF or victory. he might just keep that up all season long.
I always hate how people sometimes say things like 'It didn't come quite as easily to him'. Because I'm sure it didn't come 'easy' to Verstappen either. Winning does not mean 'easy win' in karts.
Thank You Tommo, for another Top Notch video with excellent content, research and narration! Topics such as this, are especially interesting due to the current WDC points standings, and that these two drivers have been rivals of one degree or another, for nearly 2/3rd's of their lives! Very interesting subject mate, would love to see more like it!!!
I am a Ferrari fan so I’m a little bit biased but what Charles has done in the pretty short time for Ferrari and f1 is pretty incredible. It is crazy to think Charles and max are the same age but max has been in the sport for nearly 8 years and Charles on 5 years but in my opinion I really think Charles is the real deal as well. Sure he made the mistake in imola but other than that he’s been pretty faultless this year and previous years performances have been overlooked especially 2020, he out did what that car could do. Him and max are the two best drivers at the moment and they will be for at least a decade and a half
I’m confident in saying that if Max had had a championship winning car earlier than 2021, he would have more than one championship in his books. I’m not sure where Charles would land in that
Great video. So much interesting stuff. Who will win? The two drivers are very even, so it will be down to which car has the best development. And I have a feeling RB will win that race.
I feel like ferrari will nail the car by the end of the season. Coming from a max fan, i hope red bull can sort their reliabilities out, but charles becoming a drivers champion would be absolutely brilliant
Max easy in his junior years? They didn’t do it with a top team, they (Jos) did the engineering by himself and during training he sabotaged sometimes the cart just to make him aware what is needed for a good car. He was never in the top teams, even in his F3 he was in a mediocre car and due to some dnf’s he didn’t win the championship. Helmut Marko pulled him after the Norrisring almost out of the car and planned to do the F2 route. But only after a few weeks they decided to put him F1, and the rest is history.
Hey Tommo, if u ever come to the states, lets have a cold one and talk F1. I'm still a newbie with only 3 and a 1/2 years experience watching and loving the sport. I would love to hear from an old salty dog like you. Oh, Drive to survive doesn't have a damn thing to do with me watching F1.
Wheel to wheel battles this season leclerc has looked so damn good. He’s out smarted max multiple times. I say max has been better just because of that mistake from Charles at imola but if it wasn’t for that I’d say Charles
@@hoya1178 that was the narrative in Bahrain.... while Verstappen already said that he didnt have the traction to pass Leclerc into T4 even with DRS, so his only chance was getting him in T1 and praying Leclerc made a mistake behind him. But the narrative was that Dumb Dumb Verstappen fell for Big Brain Leclerc's tricks.
@@hoya1178 He is probably referring to Bahrain where Max locked up. But it wasn't really ''outsmarting'' as the traction of the Ferrari was insane there.
Crazy to think that Max and Charles are only separated by 16 days but Max has almost twice the amount of years in F1 than Charles.
I used to think Max was a lot older than Leclerc
Helmut Marko would like to introduce himself
Fine margins of opportunity eh.
Cause of the verstappen surname
And Charles driver number is 16. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT.
Lewis: That's some dangerous driving, man
Charles: Just an inchident on the race
"Leclerc and verstappen are going to have a great 2022 battle."
Ferrari strategy team:
There is a story that Van Amersfoort (the team owner F3) spoke to a journalist about Max saying he was a once in a generation kind of talent. A year later he spoke to the same journalist, I know what I told you last year, but I have another one, this time talking about Charles of course.
Journo knows wheel
They've got a real eye for talent, clearly. This year they're top dogs again.
@@TommoMcCluskey But wait, there’s more!..
When Van Amersfoort was looking for a replacement for Max, Max himself recommended.. Charles!
Edit: This was said some time ago by Tom Coronel during a dutch F1 broadcast on Ziggo. I can’t cite an exact source unfortunately.
Wasn't Van Amersfoort Ayrton Senna's F3 team?
@@aydankhaliq2967 No, according to his wiki page Senna competed for Van Diemen, Rushen Green and West Surrey Racing in his junior race car career during 1981, 1982 and 1983 respectively. Winning all of them.
the fact that they are 16 days aparte and faced each other on 33 ocasiones from 2010 to 2013 is insane considering their F1 numbers are #16 and #33, what kind of predestined (CL) rivalry is this!?!?!?!?
@charlesleclerc redbull, pro.racer´s @Lamborghini - #
Max didn't actually have that much money backing. His advantage comes from being taught all the tricks by both parents at an early age. Jos had trouble paying for Max before F3 already I believe.
His dad paid a million euro I believe.
@@letsBrn For what series? I know a story of Max ruining a front wing (before F3 I believe) and they had to pay 75k and Jos had to take out a loan or something.
Maybe not compared to a Stroll or Latifi, but he wasn't exactly hard up in karts relative to the general population 😅
Lol you think an f1 driver wouldn't have enough money to get his son into karting or junior formula
Well maybe he exhausted all his money paying for the lawsuit against him...when he punched people in karting or when he beat his ex gf
@@TommoMcCluskey Oh absolutely. But my point was more about where the real advantage came from. Obviously they had the money to get Max the good karting parts and stuff.
Everytime I think about the fact Max has 8 years of F1 experience my mind is blown
Definitely. Max at 24 has raced in F1 now for no less than 1/3 of his entire life!
He’s a fucking veteran at 25.
This battle is what I was waiting for since Charles entered F1.
I have always been sure that these two, being the same age, would have battled for at least 10 Yeats in this category, and having these two generational talento comepting against each other is our best luck as fans :)
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Charles definitely has more emotional and special journey than Max. This man went through 3 death throughout his career. Won F2 Baku by big margin 3 days after his father died. His first win after Hubert died and his godfather Jules Bianchi death. Overcoming these death at such young age definitely changed his ability as a driver
Hasn't stopped himself from crashing a lot lol
I'd say they both have very sentimental journey's. Both come with motivations to make their fathers proud, but while Charles's story is one of love and grief, Max's is one of though discipline.
Max and Charles share a lot elements what Schumi and Häkkinen had. The long history from karting to this day is clearly seen as mutual respect with no BS type of communication.
This rivalry has probably even more potential than the Max vs Lewis one. And I actually really enjoyed the epic gloves-off, battle-of-the-generations, class-of-their-own title fight between Max and Lewis in 2021.
Oh absolutely
It was Senna vs Prost, then it was Schumacher vs Everyone, then late it was Hamilton vs Vettel, now it is Leclerc vs Verstappen.....
It’s crazy to think that Schumacher raced against Prost ,Senna Haakinen raikonnen alonso Seb Lewis Rosberg and Jenson button
Schumacher vs Alonso
Ham vs Vet should have been a more exciting battle IMO
@@Nix42069 Such was his span in F1 and was his calibre
@@TommoMcCluskey Ya, it's true, but I meant that by saying the battle for the championships in the last decade, not their rivalry in the races..... At least this Charles vs Max duo will have hopes of producing something like Senna vs Prost......
Personally still got Max to win the WDC mostly due to his previous experience in such a close title fight. I think he'll be more consistent over the season... assuming the reliability gets sorted.
It will likely come down to who's car is better. If the cars end up being really close for the rest of the season, I would give the advantage to Max, but if Ferrari can maintain a car advantage (on most tracks), then I think Leclerc will win.
@@syncmonism dont see it Leclerc isnt that consistent and will make a mistake over the season and we will see classic ferrari not upgrading and being shit for the second half
@@syncmonism I am hoping that they stay relatively close throughout the year. But of course if one team improves better than the other they'll probably take the win.
@@ehrlichgesagt863 I agree. Charles is still like pre 2020 Max, amazing driver but a mistake is expected here and there. Max has finally cleaned up his driving and makes almost no mistakes, but we did see him begin to crack towards the end of 2021. I think we'll see something similar out of Charles if the championship stays close.
@@myka4337 he didn’t crack for a second towards the end. It was the new engine merc being 15 mph faster in a strait line. Brazil wasn’t even cracking, he was just doing everything possible to stay ahead without crashing either of them out. If he went with a classic Hamilton silverstone move, it would’ve been a more comfortable championship win coasting to second every race
I think Leclerc is on 2019's Verstappen level. Capable of winning a championship but not as dominant in terms of as a driver. Really looking forward to this season and beyond.
Max didn't have a moment like Leclerc's Imola spin for the entirety of 2019, 2020 and most of 2021. The closest thing to a spin is either his Monza crash or pushing Lewis off in Interlagos. Charles still hasn't shown he can go through a season without making a couple of costly mistakes.
@@suckieduckie The major one for max is 2020 turkey spin. Other than that no mistakes as such. (pushes are intentional so not counting them as a mistake)
@@divyateja8909 You're right I forgot about that one. You could also throw in the Jeddah quali crash, but that's about it.
@@suckieduckie Yeah, the jeddah 21.. Forgot about it. Its more major than the turkey 20. 1 per season is okayish I guess. lets see if max does one this season and charles doesnt do any other.. But what a battle again it is gonna be this season.
@@divyateja8909 I think Turkey was bigger to be honest. Jeddah didn't cost him much as he still started from P2 if I recall correctly. I can honestly see Max not making a major mistake all season, but even then If Charles doesn't make any mistakes anymore himself he could very well still beat Max.
I’ve watched F1 since 2001, and to tell you the truth, I’ve never seen anyone driving like Max does. Pure hard and consistency!
As a Max fan I’m probably a little biased but there’s no doubting Leclerc’s talent.
This will be a EPIC rivality
🙌🙌🙌
I prefer Charles way of racing, almost always proper wheel to wheel racing with him. Max is a monster of a racer tho and might get the better of him this year, if redbull fixes the reliabilty issues... I just hope the two of them will have the greatest of rivalries in the history of the sport!
Well put. I see Max as the more "complete" driver but his style has become much smoother and less aggressive and oversteer-oriented in recent years, while Charles is the new Seb - blinding one-lap pace and untouchable if the car is set up right for him. But actually I believe the two have become more similar in driving styles in recent years
@@daftlad526 Yes! As of now Max is a more consistent racer. He also has double the experience. I feel like Leclerc is a bit underestimated tho and has just as much potential in the long run. Only time will tell. :)
@@braineater65 What a load of bs, "almost always proper wheel to wheel racing with him." lol.
It's not any different with Max and Max is better at wheel to wheel racing. Also Max doesn't have "double the experience"
@@hoya1178 Wow! You're a salty boy aren't you. I guess we see it differently then. And yes he does since he has been 3-4 years longer in formula 1, and much longer in a competetive car.
Just because I dont think your favorit driver is the best thing since sliced bread. You're going to call everything not promoting him bullshit? Grow up dude haha.
i will put it this way, Max is a better driver, Charles is a better racer
personally I am quite certain that this rivalry between the two will never go too far, certainly not at the 2021 level with Lewis. certainly during the season there will be contacts, accidents, controversies if you fight for the title, but from the outside you can see a big difference in the relationship between the two compared to their relationship with Lewis. despite as explained (once again) very well by Tommo, they clashed practically for half of their life, still today they have a splendid relationship, and despite two strong characters, we often see them chatting and laughing together. I think the difference is given by the fact that they grew up together sportingly, and growing together despite the "rivalry", you know your opponent well, you respect him enormously. last year here in Italy there was an interview with Charles where he says he would have been happy to see Max world champion, and that he values him very much as a rider and as a person. the same thing can be said of Max with Charles (like the post-race compliments in Bahrain for example). in fact if you think about it, many peers or similar in f1 are very friends with each other, Max and Charles but also Alex, Lando, George, Pierre. and as normal that it is mostly off the track they have different ratios than a Lewis or Sebastian for example.
True. I think the younger drivers know to keep their work and personal life separate, which I greatly admire. And yes, we did have the Ocon v Verstappen drama, but that seemed to have fizzled down too. Despite immense media pressure, I believe they should stay friends.
And honestly, only Hamilton seems to be the isolated driver at times. The rest of the grid get along real well.
@@hithesh7665 yeah ofcourse now say that hamilton is the problem right?
@@fazzzykahn6516 he didnt say hamilton was the problem , people like you are the problem to F1
@@fazzzykahn6516 I never said Hamilton is the problem. He seems to like being isolated from the rest of them (possibly cause he probably treats F1 as strictly work or for some other reason). That's his choice. I just made an observation.
tbh hamilton vs verstappen was overexaggerated by the media, it really turned into a christian horner vs toto wolff rivalry towards the end of the season, with both drivers having mutual respect for one another.
Experience wise Max already fight and beat someone for the championship, and it was none other than Sir Lewis Hamilton, arguably one of the greatest of all times. This is a huge mental boost for the Dutch
Max never really had F2 career and jumped from F3 to F1 is blowing my mind.
I hope to see them fight again and bring that rivalry, even Max said that 2022 was way fun while him and Charles fought that he did with Lewis because of the history they've shared, they respect each other so looking forward to that
No matter how big of a Charles fan I am, I still think max is just a bit more consistent and has an edge over Charles in terms of absorbing pressure
for now
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Question: Are they both the greatest drivers of their countries' F1 history?
Nahh robert doornbos ruins that for them both for sure
yes without a doubt
@@timori5290 lmao
EZ
Yeah ....
great stuff Tommo, compliments!
For me they’re both on top.
I am so happy for Charles that after 2 miserable years he finally got the car from Ferrari with which he can show what we have been waiting for for years. We have a great season ahead of us and I'm just loving it!
Although I'm Dutch and a big fan of Max, I also really enjoy Charles, I don't care (well maybe a little) who becomes champion, they both deserve it, but let them fight hard for it….so we can all enjoy it!
Dankejewel Sassie! 🙌
Somehow I cant stop watching when you talk up Max.. Its just feels warm and right.. Keep doing stuff about our boy Max. That's your golden egg.
Max is 10 times better then Lewis Hamilton
Crazy to think how badly this video aged
I love Charles' journey into F1. Didn't make a significant impression at the start, but got better and better in each category he entered. It's the journey to the top that's more exciting for me. Max was obviously a very impressive youngster, but I would've loved to have seen him dominate the junior formulas before getting into F1.
I am totally stoked because those 2 drivers are my absolute favorites on the grid. So either way this battle goes I am going to love it!!!!
Crazy that less than 3 year after that ‘nothing just an incident’ Max was racing in F1
I honestly can't decide. I'm a fan of both of them, which is funny, because they couldn't be more different personality-wise, but they're both ruthless and ridiculously fast on track. That battle in Silverstone '19 was epic as hell, and that's what I want to see from them for the whole season.
Lewis and Max first years in F1 as rookies was insane, Max impressing instantly and well Lewis just 1 point behind to win a Championship. Superb stuff.
Leclerc's too. His first year at Ferrari was quite impressive as well.
Lewis had the fastest car on the grid and McLaren had Ferrari car papers (spy gate) so pls dont talk about 2007.....
@@davidmendrei6228 stop being this biased. Lewis did amazing as a rookie, specially next to Alonso.
@@TheChazas still didnt beat him, so nothing special
@@davidmendrei6228 sounds like you are new to F1, literally. 2007 standings, Hamilton 2nd, Alonso 3rd. Like I mentioned, this just proves your unhealthy bias.
We talk about f1 drivers peaks, but for me this was peak tommo.
Miss this kind of unique content from Tommo so much
Great content. It's going to be great watching all this unfold.
Thank you bud!
I like them both, this is shaping up to be next big rivalry in F1 for years to come.
Hope they wont end up in Alpine and Aston Martin in 5 years time if they have a bad season 😄
This video is so good. I can only imagine how much research this video needed. Great job
Cheers bud, I try my best!
I’m really enjoying this season, great duels between Max and Charles but gotta say it man, Max is a beast, since last season the only time he finished a race and wasn’t a least P2 was in Hungary when he finished P9 due a heavily damaged car. That’s nuts. Say what you want about dirty driving or about Abu Dhabi final laps but you gotta respect that. Even Lewis with a car arguably “as good as” Red Bull didn’t have that consistency
Funny, informative, intelligent and timely commentary! Keep this kind of content coming Tommo! Might be nice to use up to 2022 as us then update 2022 segment as the year evolves. This could the best all time rivalry of F1 evolving right before our eyes, and I’ve been watching since 1973.
If you want my thoughts on what could decide the title? It'll be Red Bull's reliability vs. Charles cracking under pressure. Imola showed Charles trying too hard and cracking. Australia and Bahrain showed Red Bull being unreliable. But, holy shit are we looking at an even better title fight than last year!
Just thinking about how Max entered as youngest F1 driver, where Charles completed F3, F2 wins to get here ... But their rivalry was inevitable....etc. etc
Suddenly this video was posted
Thank you for your amazing videos all the time, Tommo!
Much appreciated Joshua!
Progress bar on the sponsored section is a great touch!
i like how Max Verstappen, Carlos Sainz, Pierre Gasly, Alex Albon, Lando Norris, and Charles Leclerc are friendly.
Not so much for Estaben ocon, Lance Strull, and Nick Latitfi.
It makes sense for Stroll and Latifi, Latifi competed in mainly Canada and North America during karting, and didn’t really compete in the same events during single seaters, and he gets on well with Alex Albon too, With Lance it’s the same situation, he came over from Canada and North America to compete so that transition is harder, and he gets on with Esteban too, also Esteban gets on with really well with Mick
Well... it didnt go the distance. Mostly thanks to Ferrari!
As a Leclerc fan, i think we should stop trying to compare them. Instead we need to acknowladge that they are both future legends
Yess, loved leclerc from when he was racing for Sauber and wanted him to get that Ferrari seat.
Stop giving Lewis that much credit
Verstappen is a gifted racer, a genius, probably the best on the grid if I had to choose one, he hit his prime last season, but Leclerc and Hamilton are probably the only ones who could stop him at the moment. They've both proven they can battle him.
Lmao, "he hit his prime last season," how do you know that? He is still only 24 and he has gotten better every season.
@@hoya1178 There's no need to lmao at people's legitimate opinions. If that is not his prime what is then? Since you seem to know so well. You expect him to be lapping the entire field twice every race in a year or two?
@@MimMdance There is nothing "legimate" about your opinion, you say that Verstappen hit his prime last season but you present no evidence for it and the fact that Verstappen has gotten better and better each season tells us otherwise.
In most sports, if you keep working, you'll keep improving skill wise for the rest of your career, and your decline begins when your physical losses are larger than your mental gains. If max follows this pattern, we have years, maybe even a decade to go until he his his peak. There are many variables that will decide it.
That was just such a good video thanks Tommo!
Absolutely one of your best Tommo! A great format. Would love you to take us through that generation of drivers career in the same fashion. Pierre, Ocon, Alex, George, Carlos (older), Lando (younger) and other names we know but not in F1. Keep up the great content!
They're younger than my youngest child... God I feel old!
I don't want the press and everyone else to try to stir up trouble between these guys. They have a lot of respect for each other and it would be lovely to see it continue.
So both were very impressive but it seems that Max was more impressive to me
this aged well
This aged well with regards to the 2022 season lol.
That was a really good summary of their careers! Looking forward to a great battle this year. Will be just as exciting as last year.
probably your best video to date! The research and effort was top notch. it is going to be an epic season and decade with these two fighting at the front. also Alex is back and driving the hell out of that williams. You couldnt be more happy i bet!
Team Charles all the way! Whether he is actually on top, we'll have to wait and see, but I'm definitely pulling for him to be!
This vid was quite a good inchident. Simply lovely.
Can people please stop acting like Max had a crap load of money from his dad for karting? Jos was a BACKMARKER for the vast majority of his career. He didn't earn a lot of money. And can we also please remember that Charles's family IS wealthy and he had connections through the Bianchi's (who were good friends with the Todt's)?
Jos spent nearly 10 years in F1 and was close friend to Schumacher. Max used to spend a lot of time in holidays with Michael's family. They had not just the money but the connections as the Verstappen name was big in the Netherlands.
If Charles seems to about a year behind Max, it would imply he would be WDC this year
Well he got into F1 like 4 years later so could say he’s 4 years behind.
Charles 2025WDC
Touché
@@Traxxmaciek He got in 3 years later.
Jos Verstappen didn't have money: he couldn't find sponsors to race in F1. But in the '80s, he was a dominant karter with loads of experience. THAT is what helped Max in his career, NOT money.
FANTASTIC! Thanks fir putting this video together. 😊🧡
"What were you doing when you were 18?"
I was sitting in front of my Computer listening to some bloke talking about two F1 drivers.
Charles is super talented but I think if you give both of them the same car, max would just edge Charles out
In Imola Charles use PU1 with conservative mode to avoid the same issue like Carlos had in Melbourne. Carlos use PU2 and his speed is the same like Max: 295.4 km/hour. If Ferrari gave Charles PU2 in Imola, he win the race.
Anyway, Perez speed in that car is FASTEST than Verstappen. Perez speed in Imola is 296.7 km/hour while Verstappen speed is 295.4 km/hour like Carlos Sainz with Power Unit 2.
With the same car and WITHOUT NEWEY added aerodynamic in his car, Charles will edge Max out. You skip Bahrain fight this year, fanboy! Leclerc win that duel with battery UNDER 50% because had issues.
@@jarijaridewa are you high?
@@jarijaridewa nah the difference between them is Max would push the car to its limits just to compete
@@darkraig7378 That one is basic skill to attack if the driver behind the leader of race. If Max Verstappen start the race in POLE, his duty is just MANAGE tires. Thing that i dislike from his fight style is the way he defend his position. He drag rival out track, clipping rival front wing, zigzag move to blocking rival pass him, or just cut the line to stay ahead. That's why this year his restart moves BANNED because illegal moves. But he win in Abu Dhabi last lap in that way. Thanks to Michael Masi who legalize all his dirty fight style. Only him fan of it. But i saw Max change a lot this year. Horner think he fight Charles in different way. I agree. But my main problem is NOT Max Verstappen. HIS FANATIC fans who insult and under estimate other skill. For me, that one is NOT great style to cheering others hard work.
@@King0neEurope I just do this to someone who promoting FANATICISM when majority embrace LIBERALISM. Are you fit with that category?
Name a more iconic duo than Tommo and a Squarespace ad.
I found that very interesting .Perhaps would be good to do a similar comparison with George and Lando.
Let's get Tommo some of that Netflix money to make an epic WDC battle documentary on these two.
I'm more pumped up for this video then I was for the drive to survive release for previous season
Nice one mate, thanks.
I think if you talk about raw pace no one on the grid compares to Max, Charles is a lot calmer and his pace over 1 lap is better then Max i think.
I think max Charles and Lewis are on a similar level
@@EF.707 ahem so as George Russell is solidly beating Hamilton, I guess he's the fastest on the grid?
@@hithesh7665 Bottas was also 2-2 with Hamilton in qualifying in 2017. How stupid would you have looked if you predicted that Bottas is at Hamilton's level. 23 races is a far better measure of comparison than just 4.
@@hithesh7665 bit early to tell yet, but you'd be a fool underestimating Hamilton.
I think Hamilton's issues are more mentally atm the blow from last years Championship and the way that car runs.
George is mr Saturday for a reason, typically his sundays Arent too great and over a season i think Hamilton will still beat him.
@@Minifliek I would definitely not say Russell is better than Hamilton (that was a joke😂), but I would definitely say Max and Charles are at a higher level than Hamilton.
This is gonna be a epic video
it is hard to compare in 2023, Max is in a ride that equally distributes tire wear, whereas Ferrari just eats their tires but gets spikes in their performance giving easy poles in some races. They both are in drastically different dynamic atmospheres. Ferrari is a very high stress atmosphere to constantly perform and Red Bull is similar but seems to cater to their champion very well. I would love to see an exhibition race with Max and LeClerc in the same car today. That would be a sight!
FINALLY OMG LEGIT WAITING FOR THR UPLOAD TOMOOOOO THANK YOU GODBLESS
Amazing video, absolutely what we needed. I always think of the what if Toto Wolff signed Max before RB did, imagining Max in a Merc against Lewis in 2017.
Great thought, to imagen about,what the results would be till now.How many races and titles would Max than already had won,maybe Hamilton should have won 4/5 titles,already stopped as F1 driver?
Just daydreaming and realising,luckely Max isn't driving for Toto Wolf in a Mercedes,that drifts away to be the fastest car of the gritt.
If Lewis and Max are driving the same F1 car sinds 2017 then Lewis was never been 7 times worldchampion. Maybe 2 times worldchampion or less.
@@Dutchy1979Sleep more. Max would be crushing left and right and would be worse than Bottas. Max started being consistent after he got a car that could win but he could not have pushed an experienced Hammilton in the first years he would get on the fastest car of the grid. Arguably on 2021 he did not best Lewis as well and he got carried by FIA like he got carried up the ranks by his dad’s influence.
If I could offer some constructive criticism- it would just be when referencing these different moments (i.e. silver stone 2019 battle) just to edit in some of these things because it makes me feel like I lack context to the video, and it would be more engaging as well.
Great Video. Loved the insight mate. ❤️🤍
Love the video Tommo, I think it’s gonna be another amazing season!
Superb episode! Thank you!
Do u know What’s curious?? It’s always a pleasure listening to you’re videos, you’re glowed to the screen from start to end
By the end of this season, the max/charles youtube fanboyism is going to become unbearable
sorry
That's ok babe
I'm just here keeping up the Albon propaganda machine
nah max and Charles fans are chill
@@Polytopiagod not all of them...
Max is like 24 years old with 63 podiums in F1 which is top-10 in podiums of all times & the guy seems that he's only just getting started some serious dominance over the next few years with Red Bull. The numbers at the end of his career will be mind-blowing to say the least.
His stats will undoubtedly be most race starts,most poles, most wins, most podiums, most laps led, most points and probably most WDC. he is going down as the greatest and there's nothing anyone can do about it!
I don't think this championship / rivalry will go the distance... i think Max is going to run away with it. It might be less interesting for the fans, but the way he drives now.... 2022 might be the season where the "most wins in a season"-record gets absolutely shattered.
The level of consistency in Max's drive and the way he seems to have eliminated all mistakes from his driving is just unreal. DNF or victory. he might just keep that up all season long.
I always hate how people sometimes say things like 'It didn't come quite as easily to him'. Because I'm sure it didn't come 'easy' to Verstappen either. Winning does not mean 'easy win' in karts.
This is one of the best videos Tommo has put out
1:18 Max's mom looks like Checo😂😂😂
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so... that was the reason
I love how they now really respect eachother and are friends
Damn I didn't know they had this much history together. Glad I watched this video, puts things into perspective for Charles this season.
what a video🔥 thank you soo much for all of the informations and explaining everything❤
Thank You Tommo, for another Top Notch video with excellent content, research and narration! Topics such as this, are especially interesting due to the current WDC points standings, and that these two drivers have been rivals of one degree or another, for nearly 2/3rd's of their lives! Very interesting subject mate, would love to see more like it!!!
People forget that max had very little car experience in the start of his f1 career, its obvious he'll make more mistakes
Which probably gave incentive to the FIA to rewrite the super license points system to prevent someone getting into F1 so fast in the future
@@JoePCool14 yeahh it all makes a lot of sense, drivers should mature more before joining f1
Aged like milk
Career reviews like these for retired drivers might be interesting
Thank you for this video. You're a good guy.
I am a Ferrari fan so I’m a little bit biased but what Charles has done in the pretty short time for Ferrari and f1 is pretty incredible. It is crazy to think Charles and max are the same age but max has been in the sport for nearly 8 years and Charles on 5 years but in my opinion I really think Charles is the real deal as well. Sure he made the mistake in imola but other than that he’s been pretty faultless this year and previous years performances have been overlooked especially 2020, he out did what that car could do. Him and max are the two best drivers at the moment and they will be for at least a decade and a half
I’m confident in saying that if Max had had a championship winning car earlier than 2021, he would have more than one championship in his books. I’m not sure where Charles would land in that
“the dutch messiah” can’t stop laughing 😂
The video we all been waiting for
Great video. So much interesting stuff.
Who will win? The two drivers are very even, so it will be down to which car has the best development. And I have a feeling RB will win that race.
I feel like ferrari will nail the car by the end of the season. Coming from a max fan, i hope red bull can sort their reliabilities out, but charles becoming a drivers champion would be absolutely brilliant
Max easy in his junior years? They didn’t do it with a top team, they (Jos) did the engineering by himself and during training he sabotaged sometimes the cart just to make him aware what is needed for a good car.
He was never in the top teams, even in his F3 he was in a mediocre car and due to some dnf’s he didn’t win the championship. Helmut Marko pulled him after the Norrisring almost out of the car and planned to do the F2 route. But only after a few weeks they decided to put him F1, and the rest is history.
Hey Tommo, if u ever come to the states, lets have a cold one and talk F1. I'm still a newbie with only 3 and a 1/2 years experience watching and loving the sport. I would love to hear from an old salty dog like you.
Oh, Drive to survive doesn't have a damn thing to do with me watching F1.
Cracking video idea, lad. Beat all the ‘Uvvah Muppehts’ to the punch on this one.
Wheel to wheel battles this season leclerc has looked so damn good. He’s out smarted max multiple times. I say max has been better just because of that mistake from Charles at imola but if it wasn’t for that I’d say Charles
"He’s out smarted max multiple times. " When has he done that?
@@hoya1178 that was the narrative in Bahrain.... while Verstappen already said that he didnt have the traction to pass Leclerc into T4 even with DRS, so his only chance was getting him in T1 and praying Leclerc made a mistake behind him. But the narrative was that Dumb Dumb Verstappen fell for Big Brain Leclerc's tricks.
@@hoya1178 He is probably referring to Bahrain where Max locked up. But it wasn't really ''outsmarting'' as the traction of the Ferrari was insane there.
@@folkert2938 True, also the fact that Max had problems with the car the whole race.