Absolutely no foundation to pray to a mortal regardless of how righteous they may be. So much is taught about the mother of Christ and it is not found in scripture The scriptures declare she was the most blessed woman in history and she was the mother of Jesus and everything you have been taught about Mary is from outside the scriptures.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 in the fullness of time when God enacted His plan for the salvation of man, who did He go through? Luke 1:26-28 At that time, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary. And when the angel come to her, he said, Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women. That is (K. kecharitome e; full of grace) indicates that God has already "graced" Mary previous to this point, making her a vessel who has been" and "is now" filled with divine life. Luke 1:41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the child leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 Luke 1:48 ...For behold, henceforth all generation wil all me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. This is what we pray. It is indeed scriptural. Do you Call her blessed as the scriptures tell you to do, "henceforth all generation wil all me blessed"?
I was raised Lutheran and recently decided to convert to Catholicism. While I'm not officially a Catholic I've begun praying the Rosary daily. I find it brings me such a sence of peace
The Wedding at Cana is a great example of “The Chain of Command” in use. Mary is made aware of the shortage of wine. She then conveys to Our Lord this need. He performs the miracle.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 You think that the Bereans after instruction on what the scripture means agreeing with scripture means that you don't need someone to teach?
@@BensWorkshop The noble "Bereans" - Lets' consider them as examples. They were absolutely absorbed in scripture. 24/7/365 they studied it, disputed over it, pondered it, read it and memorized it. In all of this, they missed one small detail: JESUS CHRIST. Even when Paul preached Christ to them, they still doubted and ran back to the same scriptures (which had NOT lead them to Christ). And again, EVEN after that, not all of them converted. What a bunch of blockheads.
@@BensWorkshop No , the point is not to blindly accept what you are taught without questioning it. Acts 8:25-36 Yes we need teachers and that is one of the gifts God has given to build up the church /body of Christ.
Catholics pray to God! And we also Pray to Ever Virgin Mary that Virgin Mary, may intercede for us as Virgin Mary interceded for the wedding couple in Cana! If Mary did not intercede to Her Son Jesus, the wedding couple would have no wine, to celebrate their wedding. However, it goes deeper than the wine, Virgin Mary was telling Jesus Christ. It is time to begin his ministry on earth.
Mary poses a statement they have run out of wine . Jesus responds what has that got to do with me? Then Mary tells who to do what ? Mary does not tell Jesus to do anything . Catholics pray to God! And we also Pray to Ever Virgin Mary that Virgin Mary, may intercede for us believers pray to God in the name of Jesus . In 73 books of the bible ( Romans 15:4 points towards the bible as our example ) you do not find anyone praying to anyone except God . 73 books of the bible ,no mention of lets pray to someone other than God , let that sink in a bit. Why would you pray to a mortal when God is the only one who can answer?
Mary was only a Virgin when she birthed Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Immaculate Conception, AFTERWARDS, she had children after she knew Joseph as recorded in the scriptures, which the Catholic Church denies to this day because it will crumble their religion, "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus" (Matthew 1:24-25 KJV). Mary also had other children as noted in this scripture when the pharisees talked about Jesus being the son of a carpenter and having brothers and sisters, which were there as well, " Is not this the carpenter's son? is not HIS MOTHER called MARY? and HIS BRETHREN, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And HIS SISTERS, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" (Matthew 13:55-56 KJV). There are many, many, errors within the Catholic Church that keep MISLEADING their congregations. "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world" (John 16:33 KJV). Amen! Amen!!!
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 do you ask anyone else to pray for you? -> Hebrews 13:18 - St paul asks to "pray for them (for the leaders)" -> James 5:14 - St James says to 'pray over them' (for sick people) -> 3 John 1:2 - St John prays for Gaius (for someone beloved) -> 1 Timothy 2:1-4 - We are instructed to pray for others. Why did Paul ask for other's prayers? Wasn't he able to pray for himself? Why did James instruct the elders to pray for the sick people? Can't they do it themselves? Why did John pray for Gaius? Even though Gaius walk in truth, why should someone else pray for him? Why should we pray for someone else? They can pray for themselves. Right? If you have complimentary questions like - can saints hear us? can saints pray? why would saints pray for us? please ask
God loves to work THROUGH US Yes He does but Mary does not and whereas the scriptures tell you that Christ lives in you and the Holy Spirit resides within you and God is the one who guides us to all truth , you find that Mary has nothing to do with the believer . She brought Jesus into the world but she did not have any powers to do anything other than being a good mother as she was. Heb 12:2 tells us who we are to focus on and the entire bile shows us it is Christ who is our savior , so why does the roman Catholic church put so much emphasis on the Lord's mother?
@ How did God choose to bring Jesus to the earth? Through Mary. My point is that God uses all of us for his glory. God chose to use Mary for the most important job of all. Do you think that after she passed He deemed her importance finished? She just sits up in Heaven at his feet doing nothing? Some of us believe He is still using Mary to help all of us. We are all part of the Body of Christ whether we are on earth or beyond it. If you are looking for the Bible to tell you everything word for word, you will miss so much. The Bible is wonderful, but it isn’t all there is. God works in people’s lives all the time. None of that is recorded in the Bible.
@@mschmidt1645 God chose to use Mary for the most important job of all. Do you think that after she passed He deemed her importance finished? So that can be said for each apostle . Still 73 books of the bible by example shows you that no one prays to anyone other than God for anything till 385 AD when the roman Catholic church decided it was a good thing to do!
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Everyone was in hell until Jesus rose from the dead to free them. You wouldn’t pray to anyone in hell. Also, in Revelations the elders carry prayers in golden bowls. Where did those prayers come from?
How does that verse support your point? I don't see it at all. Are you claiming that because they carried the man who couldn't walk and had absolutely no way to get to Jesus himself, that is somehow analogous to praying to Mary?
@@120PythonsThe friends had faith, which they used to intercede on behalf of the paralyzed man. Intercession by faith, prayer, deed --however it is done --is powerful. When we pray for our family or friends, we are interceding; we are praying to God on behalf of them. Similarly, when you ask your family and friends to pray for you, you are asking for their intercessory prayers. In the same way, we ask Mary through our prayers to her to intercede on our behalf and go to Jesus who will not refuse his mother. When our prayers are answered we know it is Jesus who answered our prayers. One more thing, when we pray to Mary, it is in addition to praying directly to Jesus. Don't we believe that prayers from family and friends in addition to our own is more efficacious than our one little prayer? 🙏
Hail Jesus our savior who died for all of our sins and has prayed for us. Romans 8:34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
This is only my opinion so forgive me if I am wrong, I'm not really one of the smartest people around, but I feel that God is pleased with those who respect heiarchy. I mean if you think about how his creations work, the Angels have heiarchy with there being 9 Choirs and all, Animals have heiarchies, even the way we function as society have heiarchies with government, or the family structure, even the whole principal teacher student thing. Even if you design with colors, they have heiarchies there too depending on the function of your design. If you buy groceries, there are items you prioritize, etc. It just makes sense to me. And it's not like we're taking away love or respect from Jesus and distributing it to someone else, it's just an act of humbling ourselves to our Lord. Idk, sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm not good at making my thoughts into words or something like that. 😅
@@Kittybeans0909 This is one of the things I have recently realized too. The exorcists say this about demons as well. The higher up demons are harder to get rid of. There is definitely a heirchy there and in everything in our lives as you pointed out.
Scott Hahn would be proud of you, if he’s not already. He says so profoundly & truly, that the Catholic Church is the fulfillment of biblical religion. Keep up the excellent work!
@@EBeautiful-f9d That is not in Scripture. Do we need The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? That is not Christ Alone, we need the Trinity. It is not the Glory of God alone because God shares His glory with us (2 Cor 3:18, Romans 8:17) it is not faith alone we also need repentance and baptism (Acts 2:38, Romans 6:3, Galatians 3:27). Grace does not save us apart from our free will. God respects our freedom (Romans 10:13, Revelation 3:20).
Mary can intercede for us at time of judgement. Who wouldn't want that? Her prayer acknowledges who she is and ask her to pray for us now and at the hour of our death. She is the real queen!
I clicked on this just to support the message especially on this Holy solemnity of the Immaculate Conception but I ended up learning!! This is awesome and clear cut.
Excellent Cameron! Trust Protestants to personally interpret the Bible resulting in the wrong understanding, many “truths” resulting in the confusion, division & scandal of 000’s of sects which is not of Jesus who willed unity Jn 17:11-23
Blessed Christmas: YOU CAN NO LONGER FEAR ME! Pope Benedict XVI: “God’s sign is simplicity. God’s sign is the baby. God’s sign is that he makes himself small for us. This is how he reigns. He does not come with power and outward splendor. He comes as a baby - defenseless and in need of our help. He does not want to overwhelm us with his strength. He takes away our fear of his greatness. He asks for our love: so he makes himself a child. He wants nothing other from us than our love, through which we spontaneously learn to enter into his feelings, his thoughts and his will - we learn to live with him and to practice with him that humility of renunciation that belongs to the very essence of love. God made himself small so that we could understand him, welcome him, and love him. God, who has become a child, says to us: you can no longer fear me, you can only love me.”
Why did I ask my mom first growing up, when Dad made the money decisions? My Dad often said no or wait. When my mom said it was okay, my Dad always said yes. He would move mountains for Her. If She said no, I would never bother Dad to ask. She knew Dad’s mind best and how and when to ask.
In the first 30 seconds of the video, you said that you would use *only* the Bible as your guide. I was expecting some example in Scripture where someone prayed a prayer other than to God Himself. Scripture (including the Old Testament) records thousands of years of the history of God's work in redeeming mankind, and throughout the written history, there are many examples of prayers offered by various men and women through time. Yet I have not found one single example in Scripture (over thousands of years of Jewish and Christian history) where anyone prayed to anyone other than to God. Doesn't that tell you something? And why, in the New Testament, when someone came to Jesus to make a request of Him, did He not direct them to go ask His mother? And why did not the writers of the New Testament direct believers to seek out Mary in their prayers? Surely something as important as prayer would not have been omitted from Scripture. And finally, why did Jesus, when asked by the disciples how to pray, not mention prayer to Mary or to other saints? Or to anyone else other than the Father? The first recorded (written prayer to Mary of which I am aware is the Sub tuum praesidium which was written around the year 250 A.D. (more than 200 years after the resurrection). It reads like this: Beneath thy compassion, We take refuge, O Theotokos [God-bearer]: do not despise our petitions in time of trouble: but rescue us from dangers, only pure one, only blessed one The Sub tuum praesidium petitions Mary to "rescue us from dangers." Do Roman Catholics believe that Mary has the power to rescue you from dangers or do you believe that she petitions God to rescue us? The words of the prayer suggest that "she" will rescue you from dangers.
As per that logic, you cannot worship or pray to Holy Spirit or the Trinity. There is simple no example from Bible. Many things are inferred by studying Bible. And yes, we can ask any saints or angels to rescue us. Paul says he has saved many souls. If we can ask another human on earth to save us, we can ask saints too. Jesus teaches all of us have a guardian angel. For what purpose? For nothing?
@@tiju.j Praying to the Trinity IS praying to God. And as I stated, there is no example in Scripture (over thousands of years) of anyone praying to someone other than God. There are no prayers to humans or angels in Scripture. Can you cite one?
@@tiju.j Scripture is very clear that the Father is God, and that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Granted "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the full deity of Father / Son / Holy Spirit is there in the Bible.
@@atobpe Show me the verse. Show me at least one example of worshiping Holy Spirit. Truth is my friend, it was defined by catholic church much later. Without the church, you don't know what Trinity is.
I think it's not biblical. In the Bible there is no direct statements to pray to Mary. Once I was devotedly praying to Mary. Once, during prayer, I had revelation like voice from Mary "look at my son" then I started to pray to Jesus instead. We have restricted time during a day or lifetime so I prefer to spend it with Jesus than with Mary. Looking for Biblical arguments in favour of praing to Mary is just broad interpretation of Scripture. Better to stick to Bible then go with the flow and looking for justification of tradition
@@JusheisAwesome We can ask Mary or anyone else intercessory prayer. Paul says always do intercession. Use your commonsense. Do you pray to Holy Spirit or the Trinity? Can you show me one example anyone worshiping Holy Spirit in Bible?
The Blessed Virgin Mary is: - the “woman” of Genesis 3:15 & Rev. 12; - Jesus called Mary “woman” (John 2:4 & 19:26-27); - the “woman” in Revelation 12:1 because Jesus is the “man child” in Revelation 12:5; - the nemesis of Satan (Genesis 3:15) - the mother of God (Luke 1:35 & 43); - Elizabeth exclaimed, “And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord (God); - the spiritual mother of all (John 19:26-27); - the new “type” of Ark (Rev. 11:19-12:2); - Mary took the same path to and from Egypt the Ark took (Matt 2:13-23); - Mary being the new Ark, John the Baptist danced just as King David did with the arrival of the Ark (Luke 1:41 & 2 Samuel 6:14-22); - Mary being the new Ark, the 3 objects in the Ark (Hebrews 9:4) are the scriptural “type” of the mind, body, and soul of Jesus in the womb of Mary; - the Queen of Heaven and Earth (Rev. 12:1-2); - Mary is Queen because “on her head a crown 👑 of twelve stars ✨”(Rev. 12:1); - the stars ✨ represent the angels cast out of heaven “And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth (Rev. 12:4); - FULL OF GRACE (Luke 1:28) - whose soul magnifies the Lord (Luke 1:46). - the Almighty has done great things to me (Luke 1:49).
I worship God through prayer so yes we pray to God, we also ask Mary to pray to God for us. Scripture tells us Saints offer our prayers to God in this scripture passage Smoke billowed up from the incense-laced prayers of the holy ones, rose before God from the hand of the Angel. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand. Revelations 8:4 We know she’s not God, she is obviously a Saint
Let me correct u my bro, Catholic believe in holy Trinity,GOD ,son Jesus n holy spirit,they are one n works together, Catholic hail Mary Mother of Jesus as Devine intervention to pray for us sinners,how can you honour Jesus yet forget Joseph n Mary as they are holy family
We get answered every time, not always in a way that we want, hope for and least of all expect, but we do get the answer we are asking (praying) for. Every time. All thanks and praise be to God. Tenete Traditiones God bless.
I'm still learning about catholic as a protestant. truthfully, i can't agree with praying to Mary and catholic prayer yet. But the strange thing is, the thought of praying to Mary give me so much peace! And I have to admit that involve Mary definitely deliver the message of respecting women, but protestantism definitely overlook female figure. wow, catholicism is so powerful.
Ironically, this video started with an ad for "The Real Jesus" and shows a Pastor saying, "NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME! That is the most exclusive statement you can make." lol. Anyway, good treatment of the subject. The Saints/Mary is my favorite thing about being Catholic (I am a convert from Protestantism).
Judgment came when I was 15 years old it’s already been said and done. It all came down to me, making a deal to protect and preserve the innocence whom still believe in Jesus and God and worship them and all boil down to the deal and if I break that deal, life will be no more and he’s not gonna start over. He’s that angry.
It's also worth noting that "praying" in catholicism is slightly diffirent than a protesntant would define it to be. In protestancism it's just talking to an deity or asking that deity. (which assumes it's a deity, that's why they call us Heretics according to their own definitions) While in Catholicism "praying" has 2 meanings. First if speaking with or asking God for something and Second is alligning your mind and soul with GOD'S WILL. What does that mean? If we ask Mary or Saint to pray for us, by DEFINITION it's praying not because we ask them and treat them as Gods but because It's praying because it's trying to allign with God's will. Also, in that kind of Definition if you are Muslim And then put Bible and Quran next to each other and say outloud "God, whatever book is the truth just let me know". but since in protentancism it's just talking to the right God (Trinitarian) and if you are muslim you assume God is one person then it's not praying While in Catholicism that scenario would could as praying SINCE it's trying to find the truth, aka alligning yourself with Gods will. The true God, not a false one. Edit: This is why i believe watching Jordan Peterson in modern times is so important. Satan has perverted definitions in our language for the most crucial words like love, pray, etc. Understanding how words change and how to decontrust the original meaning and showing off that we might use the same words but mean completly something else is crucial in todays age.
in the fullness of time when God enacted His plan for the salvation of man, who did He go through? Luke 1:26-28 At that time, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary. And when the angel come to her, he said, Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women. That is (K. kecharitome e; full of grace) indicates that God has already "graced" Mary previous to this point, making her a vessel who has been" and "is now" filled with divine life. Luke 1:41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the child leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 Luke 1:48 ...For behold, henceforth all generation wil all me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. This is what we pray. It is indeed scriptural. Do you Call her blessed as the scriptures tell you to do, "henceforth all generation wil all me blessed"? And If God goes though Mary, why shouldn't we? It is Biblical.
He is correct. God’s angel’s never exaggerate, notice the way Mary was greeted? ‘Hail’ and ‘Full of Grace’. Elizabeth’s husband was a Priest, yet he was spoken to very differently. Our beautiful Mother is the ‘woman’ in Genesis. Blessed are You Lord, Jesus Christ, King of the universe ✝️🙏🏻❤️
The "Hail Mary, full of grace" is a perversion of the Greek text of Luke 1:28, which reads Χαῖρε κεχαριτωμένη (Chaire kecharitōmenē), meaning nothing more than "Greetings, favored one". Mary's name isn't even mentioned in the greeting, not that that matters in comparison to the perversion of κεχαριτωμένη (kecharitōmenē). The only persons the New Testament applies the πλήρης χάριτος (plērēs charitos) "full of grace" designation to are Jesus (John 1:14) and Stephen (Acts 6:8). So cut the crap.
Worth pointing out that Jesus is the eternal King of Heaven and Earth and is the final King of David's line. People can just look at the Old Testament to see how that works. For example, who is a Davidic king's queen? Does he have a steward of the palace and if so, what is his badge of office etc.
In case anyone wondering: Gebirah - The Queen Mother (Bathsheba etc in OT, Mary in NT) Steward - Keyholder, father to all the people of Judah (Eliakim in OT, Peter in NT)
@@tiju.j Of the Davidic kings mentioned in the Old Testament, all but one or two have the Gebirah named. So if Jesus didn't have one he would not be a king of David's line.
Because it is biblico. The Gabriel Salut to be happy full of grace, and the second part is Isabel Salut blessed are you and blessed is fruit of your womb
The problem with this apolgia is that you cannot reconcile: 1) Mary is not omniscient and cannot hear you when you pray to her; and 2) there is ***one*** mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5). So any response you believe you get from God by using Mary as a mediator is **despite** what you are doing, not **because** of what you are doing. Saying this another way, you cannot ask someone who has died to intercede to God for you like a living person can. Mary is incapable of hearing you, just as Joseph (her husband) and the apostles are incapable of hearing you and interceding. If this was possible, don't you think there would be at least one passage in the New Testament stating this? Don't you think the book of Acts would demonstrate this in the early church? No, it doesn't. You are stoking a false doctrine based Medieval ideas of man.
1: A person does not need to be Omniscient. I don't think protestants know what this word means. You have not demonstrated why a saint cannot hear me. I can _hear_ you although you _spoke_ 8 hours ago from a distant point. Most saints have several Miracles attributed to them. Even if they don't there is no reason that God could not or would not help them in these areas you think they need help in. Usually, People will include a time element here and I will go ahead and point out there is no time in heaven. 2a: There is *one* Mediator between *GOD* and man. There are as many intercessors who are willing to be, between *you* and *JESUS.* 2b: Those in heaven are not dead, they are _written in the book of life_ and _God is God of the living and not the dead_ 2c: you haven't shown why Mary, or any saint can't hear us. ( you forgot to add the hypocritical statement about necromancy, which then shows the _dead_ can hear us.) 2d: No, I don't think it is necessary for all things to be spelled out in the Bible. A: because the Bible does not say it is necessary. B: because we have examples of it not being as you say. IE. Where is the Table of Contents? As there is no Table of Contents then there apparently is no Scripture 2e: why would it need to be in the book of acts. 2f: if this is a false doctrine because it comes at a later date then you must also apply this concept to your own denomination and all the things you have been taught by it. It came out possibly only half a century ago.
@@dave_ecclectic Omniscient: From modern Latin omniscient-, omnisciens "knowing all things, all-knowing," derived from omni- (from omnis "all") and scient-, sciens "knowing," The only person who is omniscient is God. You are not. I am not. Angels are not. And Mary is not. And for Mary to be able to hear the prayers of everyone worldwide (even simultaneously), she would definitely have to be omniscient. That my friend, she is not able to do - no matter how much you hope for this to happen. You are getting confused with intercession by someone ***living*** in whom you ask to pray for you. Neither of you need to be omniscient to do this. That is why ***only*** Jesus is able to mediate on your behalf to God the Father. As God, he has this ability. I have no idea what you are referring to with your Table of Contents analogy. There are three things a New Testament church considers for their doctrine: 1) Was it taught in the Gospels? 2) Was it practiced in the book of Acts (of the Apostles)? 3) Was it taught in the various epistles. This Medieval practice is not supported in any one of these three. We don’t need the Bible to spell out everything? I have just showed you how your Medieval practice violates scripture in 1 Timothy 2:5. Now let me quote from the New Catholic Bible 1 Corinthian 4:6: “Brethren, I have applied all this to Apollos and myself for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, 'Do not go beyond what has been written.' None of you should become inflated with pride against anyone else." So yes, we do not create our own doctrine. When Mary’s cousin, Elizabeth, met Mary after she conceived, Elizabeth exclaimed in Luke 1:42, “Blessed are you among women.” You have twisted this to say, “Blessed are you above women”. You are violating holy scripture, and you are teaching others to violate holy scripture. There is a greater judgment awaiting those who teach (James 3:1). Think about it.
@@azjim2946 As I said, I don't think Protestants know what Omniscient means. No one, not anyone on earth or in heaven, needs the ability to know all things to hear a request. I'm not All knowing but I CAN HEAR YOU! Those in heaven are not dead, they are living. And again... Jesus Mediates between us and God. ANYONE can intercede between us and *Jesus.* Deja vu?? Can you find me any Passages that says God is God of the dead? I showed you two for His being God of the Living. Can you show me where the Bible say those in heaven can't hear us? you claim they can't but then you don't show me any proof, just more of your modern traditions. You claim all things IMPORTANT must be in the Bible, you go so far away from Biblical sources as to even claim which books something IMPORTANT must be within the Bible. WHERE IS THE LIST OF BOOKS OF THE BIBLE? The Bible is a collection of books and letters. Please tell me where IN THE BIBLE, I can find this list? Your requirement that something *so* important *must* be in the Bible. After all, how would you know what the canon of the Bible is? Wait until a handful of heretics come on the scene a millennia and half later to *tell* you? That wouldn't count as it isn't *in* the Bible. That would be _extrabiblical._ Can you tell me where in the Bible you obtained this list of yours of what a _New Testament church_ does? More of your _modern practices?_ When you can't find it in the bible, you simply invent it? For that matter just what is a _New Testament church?_ Is this where Billy Graham picks up a Bible and invents his very own church? Does he even need to pick up a Bible or can he invent it without one? “Blessed are you above women”. Now you simply lie. I haven't said this and haven't implied it. I think Luke 1:42, “Blessed are you among women.” and let's not forget Luke 1:48 "King James Bible For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed." Say all that needs to be said on this subject and says it quite well. Why do you get to claim we have medieval practices while you get to use *MODERN* practices. Isn't this smacking of hypocrisy? Even if we did have medeval practices we also have not just1st century practices but 33 AD practices. the only practices you have is what your pastor has invented.
Revelation 5 makes it abundantly clear that not only do the Saints in Heaven hear us, and as such are very much alive, but that the offer our prayers to God. You think that the Saints in Heaven are dead? “I am the God of the living not the dead.” Did Jesus stop being their Lord when they died? The Saints in Heaven are more alive than any person on earth can be as they are in the presence of the creator. I do not understand the prod obsession with “either or”, it seems to be an out growth of the enlightenment where everything is a zero sum game it seems. The Apostolic “and also” is far more in line with scripture, tradition, and history- the church of the living in heaven continues to minister Christs mission until the end.
@@azjim2946 Dr. David Anders, a former Calvinist who pursued his PhD over a decade for the purpose of disproving the Catholic Faith-and ended up Catholic-explains the crux of this issue this way: “[Orestes] Brownson [19th century American Catholic convert] makes a brilliant observation. He says the reason that protestants rejeyct devotion to saints is because they have rejected the notion of sacrifice, and so they don’t know the difference between worship and veneration. Worship, the honor due to Almighty God, is sacrifice. St. Paul says, ‘offer your bodies as living sacrifices. This is your spiritual act of worship.’ The centerpiece of Catholic worship is the Holy Sacrifice of the mass, the offering of the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus to God the Father in reparation for the sins of the world. That’s worship. To salute the flag is just veneration. But protestants threw out the idea of sacrificial worship. They threw out the sacrifice of the mass. And so for them there is no distinction between an act of worship and an act of veneration…If you look at the canon of the mass-this is the prayer in which the priest consecrates the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist-the saints come alongside us as partners in this sublime act of worship offering this one sacrifice. The whole Church in heaven and on earth offering Jesus to God the Father. The saints don’t appear in the mass as recipients of veneration or worship, but as participants in that…” “Catholic devotion to Saints, not just to Our Lady, but to the Saints and to their relics, was to me the most manifest absurdity. It was the most rank superstition that could serve no purpose, and I was certain that Catholics had brought this into the practice of the Christian Faith from their pagan origins. And that critique is articulated by Calvin, the man that I studied. He wrote a diatribe against relics that was just a parody and a satire of all the most superstitious kind of medieval practices that he could possibly lampoon. So that was my mindset. But in my dissertation work, I was really studying Calvin’s critique of late medieval Catholicism, and it forced me to dig deeper into the history of these Catholic devotions and spiritual practices. And as I read more deeply, especially in the ancient Church, one of the things that struck me was that you could not find a layer of Christian practice in which there was no devotion to the Saints. It didn’t matter if you were looking at popular spirituality, or the most elite and refined theologians, it didn’t matter if you looked in the east or the west, the north or the south, Latin, Greek, Syriac, Coptic, wherever you went throughout the world, you found this practice. There’s a passage in St. Jerome’s letter against Vigilantius, when he says-Jerome of course is a 4th century doctor of the Church-he says, “Does the Bishop of Rome do wrong? Does he do wrong when he offers the Holy Sacrifice (he’s talking about the mass) over the bones of the martyrs Peter and Paul, and not the Bishop of Rome only, but all the bishops throughout the world?” [St. Jerome, Against Vigilantius (§8)] That’s what we call catholicity, the universality of the practice. And I realized studying that if I wish to claim any continuity with the ancient Church, I may not reject devotion to the Saints and their relics. So this is the practice. How then can I make sense of it? Is there a theology that makes sense of this? And of course there is. The doctrine of the communion of Saints, that we really are Christ in a mystical sense, we are His body. St. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5 that we have become God’s co-laborers as if Christ was making His appeal through us. We become members of Christ’s body, the Church. He He who beholds the Church beholds Christ! That’s what St. Gregory of Nyssa says. And we see [it] manifest in Scripture that Jesus chooses to manifest His grace to the world through these broken material instruments…And I began to see, yes, if I regard these not as pagan gods, as objects to be worshipped, but as instruments of grace, participating in that work of redemption as members of Christ’s body, the Church, all of a sudden my moral imagination, my universe of friendship has opened up. It’s not merely the Church on earth with which I’m in fellowship. It’s the Church triumphant in heaven, that great cloud of witnesses that Hebrews talks about, or Revelation 5, those twenty-four elders offering up the prayers of the Church on earth before the throne of God as incense. And suddenly it became a beautiful picture of a deeper communion with Jesus, and I said, “it’s biblical, it’s historical, it’s also rational, and it’s edifying. I can accept that.” And once I was able to wrap my head around the communion of saints, putting Our Lady into that picture, I already had a conceptual in which She made sense. And Her eminent sanctity as the one “full of grace,” the Theotokos, the Mother of God, made Her elevation above that company of saints quite reasonable to me…”
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1 Timothy 2:5 "For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine..." -2 Timothy 4:3 "Pray like this: 'Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy.'" -Matthew 6:9 "...shouldn't a people consult with their God?..." -Isaiah 8:19 👉'Jesus answered him, "Get behind me Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and you shall serve him only.'" -Luke 4:8
The question has the wrong assumption. (Pun on assumption/Assumption is unintentional. ) Protestants and other anti Catholics pit her vs The Holy Trinity. Verse in the Gospel states "if they are not against us, they are for us." Jesus said that. Early Protestants including Henry VIII prayed to BV Mary and other saints. But, that got de-emphasized , where Protestants claimed, "Doing this is too Catholic."
Just as many in the early Church sought the mediation and intercession of mere human beings like Peter and Paul and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs, so too even now, for NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SEPARATE US! Especially the Mother of God, she who moved her Son and Lord to perform His public miracle, even though it was not yet His hour, touched by His Mother's compassion for the wedding couple as the prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects, as we are God's coworkers! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: Christ’s role as mediator is at a “much higher level than those of the saints in the Old or New Testament, and even the most Holy Virgin Mary, when one speaks of their mediation or invokes their help. ‘For there is one God and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all.’ (1 Tim 2:5-6)”
I think I saw two signs today. It all started with me watching a video why Catholics pray to the Virgin Mary. As I got to the end of the video I asked the Virgin Mary if she was listening to me and my concerns about converting to being a catholic and that I didn’t know and that I didn’t want to be deceived. As I was driving I saw a sign on a front yard of a house saying “pray” and as I got on the freeway a truck passed by me with an image of our lady of Guadalupe. What does that mean?
@@David77757 "Therefore, he says, You are Peter; and upon this Rock which you have confessed, upon this Rock which you have acknowledged, saying, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church; that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church. I will build you upon Myself, not Myself upon you." - Augustine of Hippo Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament SERMON XXVI. AGAIN ON MATT. XIV. 25: OF THE LORD WALKING ON THE WAVES OF THE SEA, AND OF PETER TOTTERING.
@@linsodtf2645 "Therefore, he says, You are Peter; and upon this Rock which you have confessed, upon this Rock which you have acknowledged, saying, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church; that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church. I will build you upon Myself, not Myself upon you." - Augustine of Hippo Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament SERMON XXVI. AGAIN ON MATT. XIV. 25: OF THE LORD WALKING ON THE WAVES OF THE SEA, AND OF PETER TOTTERING.
👉"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." -1 John 1:8 "for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God" -Romans 3:23 "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and doesn’t sin." -Ecclesiastes 7:20 "Behold, I was born in iniquity. My mother conceived me in sin." -Psalm 51:5 "...There is no one who does good, no, not one." -Psalm 14:3 👉From the mouth of Jesus himself: "...No one is good except one-God." -Mark 10:18 👉From the mouth of Yahweh himself: "...the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth..." -Genesis 8:21 ⚠️"But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any “good news” other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed." -Galatians 1:8
The 24hrs of the passion of christ by luisa piccarreta is a book all catholics should read it details everything that jesus went through in his passion, believe me when i say Mel Gibsons movie touch on it alittle bit but not even close to what he really went through for us.
I’m sorry none of that gave you any prerogative to pray to Mary. You need to realize that your religion comes from paganism. That’s the reason why you guys have saints for everything because they replaced the household gods. Your religion when pagan Rome was being taken over by Christian Rome you guys had to appeal to the pagans and they were a matriarchal goddess religion. This is the reason why Mary replaced the matriarchal goddesses. It has nothing to do with it being biblical. You guys have to keep digging into the Bible to find it. Nobody reads the Bible and comes to the conclusion that Mary should be prayed too. This is completely eisegesis.
How come then ALL of the apostolic churches pray to saints? Orthodox church, Assyrian church, Coptic church all of them share same doctrine. All of them trace their roots back to apostles. Your argument that its a Roman invention doesn't stand. Forbidding praying to saints is a 16th century invention.
Very simply, as followers of Christ we are called to follow his teachings and his example. Jesus venerated His human mother, therefore we Catholics follow his example. The Hail Mary is a request for intercession. We ask her to pray for us. That's it.
because she was the mother of Jesus, God graced (“FULL OF GRACE” Luke 1:28) her without the stain of original sin (“the Almighty has done great things to me” Luke 1:49). This is further corroborated in Genesis 3:15 when God promises a “woman” who will be the nemesis of Satan through her “seed” (her Son). This explains why Jesus called Mary “woman” (John 2:4 & 19:26-27). This is the promised messiah and his mother. God was so pleased with his “handmaid” (meaning servant in Luke 1:38) that he crowned her as Queen of Heaven and Earth (Revelation 12:1-2). This is because, unlike Samson and King Solomon who was graced by God with superhuman strength and wisdom respectively, Mary was superhuman spiritually by trusting and obeying God in all things. She became the new “type” of Ark (Revelation 11:19-12:2) whose body contained the human nature of her divine Son (Hebrews 9:4).
I do not oppose speaking to those who have passed on before us, but not a single thing that you said here justifies such an action as something that is expected of Christians. We have no evidence whatsoever from the words of Christ, the NT letters, the OT scriptures, or the example of the early Christians that praying to a dead Christian was expected or normative. The practice is a post apostolic development. Repeating "Every kingdom has a chain of command" doesn't change this. "This is not me making this up." Well, not you alone. Further, it is simply a fact that the reverence shown to some of the saints is disproportionate to the degree that it is indistinguishable from worship (i.e., the prayers of St. Alphonsus de Liguori to/about Mary). "If you give Mary fifteen minutes, she will give you eternity in heaven." Umm... ya. There's your problem right there.
Exodus 20:4-5 reads "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.” This commandment was to prevent the Jews from making peselim (idols) in the temunah (likeness) of pagan gods, as all the surrounding races did. Remember the incident of the golden calf at Sinai. In the polytheistic environment of that age, there was always the danger of relapse into idolatry, of resorting to other gods
It says do not add or subtract from his word Jesus warns us about following traditions of men But men think it's ok n justify it by saying foolish things like oh we do it to get closer to Jesus or that the churches have the right to add create laws n traditions based on their beliefs
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the TRADITIONS (παραδόσεις) which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
@David77757 Yes now read the entire context What's it saying What traditions is it speaking about The traditions taught the jews b then the disciples Did the traditions they followed include rosary, praying to angels saints, Mary in heaven, no Did they teach infant baptism, no Kneeling to statues, no Purgatory, no Praying to anyone in heaven for intersection, no Did they have titles like pope,vicar of christ, father,cardinals nuns,no So many more I can add Traditions passed down by word is the traditions ,it doesn't say that they have the liberty to add subtract create new traditions that wasn't taught by Jesus or his disciples
The more you say something untrue does not make it true. So if Mary was conceived without sin and lived a sinless life, Jesus’ sacrifice means nothing, because it’s not unique and something only God can do.
Read 1 timothy 2 5:6 my brothers and sisters we only need Jesus Much love I was a catholic for 40 plus yrs And just became a Protestant 3 yrs ago . You all must read the Bible
Catholic or Protestant read your Bible. I was Protestant and became Catholic because of what the Bible said. Protestants, at least the church I was in, didn’t take the Eucharist seriously. Communion was only done once a month even though it’s important to do. There were other questions they couldn’t answer that the Catholic Church did. To me the Catholic Church is where I and my family belong.
Nowhere in the Bible does God Jesus his disciples ever teach preach praying to saints angels or Mary in heaven Those are traditions that men created for their denominations
@agatatres9076 This is what happens when people quote 1 or 2 verses out of context instead of reading the entire chapter This is what happens when you are taught according to your denomination Jude is speaking to saints that were alive at that time, not when they were dead 8n heaven Then you quoted 1 verse in revelation, 1 verse out of the entire chapter If you bother to read the chapter that is not talking about the prayers of the living but of the one's whom have already died ,the angel is giving those prayers to the one who is sitting in the throne Why would you use those 2 scriptures to validate living people to pray to angels saints in heaven or Mary
I think some said catholic pray to mother Mary yes we honour mother Mary n pray n worship Almighty God.pls drill this in anyone head and do not manuplate or ask any catholic they will explain you.
The scriptures tells us that the Apostles asked Jesus Christ how they should pray; and He answered them with the Lord's Prayer, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11 Give us this day our daily bread.12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" (Matthew 6:9-13 KJV). Jesus Christ never, ever, mentions praying to Mary, who by the way, after the Immaculate Virgin Conception and Birth of our Savior Jesus Christ, knew Joseph, "24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And KNEW her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus" (Matthew 1:24-25 KJV), and had other children, "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?" (Mark 6:3 KJV). Mary, along with the siblings of Jesus Christ, came one day to talk to Him when He was with His disciples and the people, "While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him" (Matthew 12:46 KJV). The Bible also gives us an example where people wanted to bow down to Peter and he rebukes them to not do so, "25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and WORSHIPPED him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man" (Acts 10:25-26 KJV). We pray to God through Christ Jesus, who is the mediator for ALL people, "5 For there is one God, and one MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (1 Timothy 2:5 KJV). There has never been mention of Mary or Angels as mediators, that is reserved specifically for Christ Jesus, Our Lord and Savior, who is our only High Priest, "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession" (Hebrews 4:14 KJV). Pray to Jesus Christ, whom is the High Priest for us all and mediator, and there is none other, "10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;" (Phillipians 2:10 KJV). Amen! Amen!!!
@@jerome2642 That is what I said, you are reading to hard; after Jesus Christ told His disciples how to pray, I also said, and I quote, "Jesus Christ never, ever, mentions praying to Mary." What part of that sentence don't you understand?
@@jesuschristsavesu I gave two statements (a) and (b). Are you really saying that both statements mean the SAME thing? Because clearly, they don't. To say that Jesus NEVER MENTIONED a particular practice isn't the same thing as saying that Jesus TOLD US NOT TO carry out that practice. NOT TELLING YOU TO DO SOMETHING is different from TELLING YOU NOT TO DO SOMETHING.
Mary is at the very top of the large crowd of intercessors from Genesis to Revelation. God is not a communist, selfish, insecure God as the Protestants make him to be.
The 12 Apostles or Paul never mentioned to go to Mary for your prayers. The Apostle or Paul never said to the people while Mary was living to go to her for your prayers and she will tell Christ your prayers. Apostles never said your need Mary doctrine because she will tell Christ your prayers and Mary is sinless. If Christ said there is NO ONE "GOOD" but GOD then why do you put Mary good(sinless)? Are you saying she is equal with GOD by being sinless? just asking
@@David77757 I can only say Jesus Christ said no one is good but God. My belief Mother Mary had sin in her life and needed Jesus Christ to saved her. If I am wrong please show me. Thanks Jesus Christ gave the Apostles the Apostles Doctrine for salvation and how to obey Christ commands. The Apostles Doctrine never mentioned that Mary had any part for salvation.
The Bible provides no clear precedent for praying to saints or Mary. Instead, Scripture emphasizes direct communication with God. For instance, 1 Timothy 2:5 declares, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.” This verse establishes Christ as the sole mediator, leaving no room for others to act as intermediaries. Jews historically equated prayer with worship, as both were directed exclusively to God, reflecting their monotheistic belief that only God is worthy of such acts of devotion (e.g., Exodus 20:3-5; Deuteronomy 6:13-14). Furthermore, Exodus 20:4-5 explicitly forbids the making of images and bowing to them: “You shall not make for yourself a carved image... You shall not bow down to them or serve them.” The acts of bowing or praying before statues, even if well-intentioned, mirror practices explicitly prohibited in the Old Testament. The story of Daniel and his friends (Daniel 3) illustrates this principle, as they refused to bow to the golden image, demonstrating the Jewish understanding that such acts are inherently idolatrous. Angels, who hold significant roles in God’s plan, consistently reject worship. In Revelation 19:10 and 22:9, the angel rebukes John for bowing, saying, “Worship God!” This highlights a consistent biblical theme: worship and prayer belong solely to God. The apostles, as Jews, were deeply rooted in this monotheistic tradition. Jewish law, informed by texts like Deuteronomy 4:15-19, strictly prohibits making images of anything in heaven, on earth, or in the waters below and bowing to them. This cultural and religious framework would have shaped the apostles’ understanding of worship and prayer. In the New Testament, the apostles modeled prayer that was always directed to God, through Christ. For example, in Acts 4:24-31, the early church prayed directly to God in times of need. Nowhere do we find examples of the apostles teaching or practicing intercessory prayer to saints or Mary. Their Jewish worldview, combined with Christ’s explicit role as mediator, would have made such practices unthinkable. The doctrine of intercession by saints and Mary emerged gradually and was influenced by cultural and philosophical shifts rather than apostolic teaching. The earliest Christian writings, such as those of Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch, focus exclusively on Christ as the mediator and advocate. For instance, Clement writes in his first epistle to the Corinthians, "Let us fix our eyes on the blood of Christ and understand how precious it is to His Father" (1 Clement 7). There is no mention of intercession by saints or Mary in these texts. The practice of praying to saints became more prominent in the late second and third centuries, likely influenced by Greco-Roman concepts of patronage and intermediaries. Inscriptions like Ora pro nobis (“pray for us”) found in the catacombs reflect early Christian piety but do not provide doctrinal support. These requests for prayer were addressed to fellow Christians, living or deceased, and do not equate to the formalized system of intercession seen in later Catholicism. The argument for intercession often relies on analogies, such as comparing heavenly governance to earthly kingdoms. These analogies, while compelling on the surface, fail under scrutiny. For example, Romans 8:17 describes believers as "co-heirs with Christ," emphasizing direct access to God through Jesus. This negates the need for intermediaries like Mary or saints. Additionally, if angels-beings higher than humans-consistently reject worship, how can saints accept prayers directed to them? This inconsistency weakens the argument. Moreover, the claim that "Jesus instituted this system" assumes its conclusion without evidence, as the Bible does not describe such a system. Jewish tradition views intercessory prayer to beings other than God as idolatrous. The prophets repeatedly warned Israel against blending true worship with pagan practices. Jeremiah 10:1-5, for example, cautions against adopting customs involving crafted images. Similarly, the apostles, deeply rooted in this tradition, would reject practices resembling idolatry. Their writings emphasize direct prayer to God through Christ, as seen in Hebrews 4:16: “Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence.” Basing an entire system of worship on weak logic, misapplied Scripture, and dubious historical interpretations is not only unwise but spiritually dangerous. Jesus warns against “teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7). Adding to God’s instructions risks distorting true worship and could lead to eternal consequences, as emphasized in Revelation 21:8, where idolatry is condemned. To those considering practices like praying to saints or Mary, consider instead turning directly to God in prayer. Scripture assures us that Christ is sufficient as our mediator and advocate. For those exploring Catholic doctrines, pray sincerely: “Lord, reveal Your truth to me through Your Word. Lead me to worship You in spirit and truth, and help me discern Your will.” The stakes are too high to rely on traditions not grounded in the clear teachings of Scripture. Let us honor God by adhering to His Word and the example of Christ and the apostles.
Dr. David Anders, a former Calvinist who pursued his PhD over a decade for the purpose of disproving the Catholic Faith-and ended up Catholic-explains the crux of this issue this way: “[Orestes] Brownson [19th century American Catholic convert] makes a brilliant observation. He says the reason that protestants rejeyct devotion to saints is because they have rejected the notion of sacrifice, and so they don’t know the difference between worship and veneration. Worship, the honor due to Almighty God, is sacrifice. St. Paul says, ‘offer your bodies as living sacrifices. This is your spiritual act of worship.’ The centerpiece of Catholic worship is the Holy Sacrifice of the mass, the offering of the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus to God the Father in reparation for the sins of the world. That’s worship. To salute the flag is just veneration. But protestants threw out the idea of sacrificial worship. They threw out the sacrifice of the mass. And so for them there is no distinction between an act of worship and an act of veneration…If you look at the canon of the mass-this is the prayer in which the priest consecrates the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist-the saints come alongside us as partners in this sublime act of worship offering this one sacrifice. The whole Church in heaven and on earth offering Jesus to God the Father. The saints don’t appear in the mass as recipients of veneration or worship, but as participants in that…” “Catholic devotion to Saints, not just to Our Lady, but to the Saints and to their relics, was to me the most manifest absurdity. It was the most rank superstition that could serve no purpose, and I was certain that Catholics had brought this into the practice of the Christian Faith from their pagan origins. And that critique is articulated by Calvin, the man that I studied. He wrote a diatribe against relics that was just a parody and a satire of all the most superstitious kind of medieval practices that he could possibly lampoon. So that was my mindset. But in my dissertation work, I was really studying Calvin’s critique of late medieval Catholicism, and it forced me to dig deeper into the history of these Catholic devotions and spiritual practices. And as I read more deeply, especially in the ancient Church, one of the things that struck me was that you could not find a layer of Christian practice in which there was no devotion to the Saints. It didn’t matter if you were looking at popular spirituality, or the most elite and refined theologians, it didn’t matter if you looked in the east or the west, the north or the south, Latin, Greek, Syriac, Coptic, wherever you went throughout the world, you found this practice. There’s a passage in St. Jerome’s letter against Vigilantius, when he says-Jerome of course is a 4th century doctor of the Church-he says, “Does the Bishop of Rome do wrong? Does he do wrong when he offers the Holy Sacrifice (he’s talking about the mass) over the bones of the martyrs Peter and Paul, and not the Bishop of Rome only, but all the bishops throughout the world?” [St. Jerome, Against Vigilantius (§8)] That’s what we call catholicity, the universality of the practice. And I realized studying that if I wish to claim any continuity with the ancient Church, I may not reject devotion to the Saints and their relics. So this is the practice. How then can I make sense of it? Is there a theology that makes sense of this? And of course there is. The doctrine of the communion of Saints, that we really are Christ in a mystical sense, we are His body. St. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5 that we have become God’s co-laborers as if Christ was making His appeal through us. We become members of Christ’s body, the Church. He He who beholds the Church beholds Christ! That’s what St. Gregory of Nyssa says. And we see [it] manifest in Scripture that Jesus chooses to manifest His grace to the world through these broken material instruments…And I began to see, yes, if I regard these not as pagan gods, as objects to be worshipped, but as instruments of grace, participating in that work of redemption as members of Christ’s body, the Church, all of a sudden my moral imagination, my universe of friendship has opened up. It’s not merely the Church on earth with which I’m in fellowship. It’s the Church triumphant in heaven, that great cloud of witnesses that Hebrews talks about, or Revelation 5, those twenty-four elders offering up the prayers of the Church on earth before the throne of God as incense. And suddenly it became a beautiful picture of a deeper communion with Jesus, and I said, “it’s biblical, it’s historical, it’s also rational, and it’s edifying. I can accept that.” And once I was able to wrap my head around the communion of saints, putting Our Lady into that picture, I already had a conceptual in which She made sense. And Her eminent sanctity as the one “full of grace,” the Theotokos, the Mother of God, made Her elevation above that company of saints quite reasonable to me…”
@@ragnardanneskajold1880 Dr. David Anders overlooks that the Protestant Reformers were devout Catholics who sought to reform the Church based on their firsthand observations of veneration practices. Far from misunderstanding Catholic theology, the Reformers were deeply informed by church history and saw how these practices often blurred into worship among clergy and laity. Their critiques mirrored those of earlier figures like Tertullian, Origen, Athenagoros of Athens, Eusebuis, and Vigilantius, demonstrating their reliance on historical precedent rather than ignorance. One of the most glaring omissions in Anders’ argument is the silence of the apostles and the New Testament on veneration. The New Testament consistently models prayer directed to God through Christ alone, as seen in Acts 4:24-31, where the early Church prays during persecution. This pattern reflects the Jewish monotheistic tradition, leaving no room for intermediaries other than Christ. The foundational teaching of 1 Timothy 2:5 underscores this: “There is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.” Nowhere in apostolic writings do we see instructions to pray to or venerate saints, which strongly suggests these practices were not part of early Christian worship. Dr. Anders also appeals to Revelation 5:8, where the twenty-four elders hold golden bowls of incense described as “the prayers of God’s people.” He interprets this as evidence for saintly intercession. However, this passage does not state that these prayers were directed to the elders. Instead, the prayers are clearly the people’s prayers to God, presented in worship before the Lamb. The elders’ role in holding the bowls is symbolic, not prescriptive, and the text offers no support for the idea that saints serve as intermediaries or that prayers should be directed to them. Revelation 5 reinforces the biblical model of prayer as an act directed to God and mediated solely by Christ. The Catholic argument for veneration often invokes the doctrine of the communion of saints, presenting saints as intercessors within the body of Christ. Yet this argument introduces an inconsistency. All believers, whether in heaven or on earth, are members of Christ’s body (1 Corinthians 12:12-27). If veneration is a valid expression of this communion, why is it not extended to living Christians? Scripture provides no support for venerating one another within the Church, further highlighting that veneration of saints is a later development, not an apostolic practice. The dangers of veneration are also evident in biblical warnings against acts resembling worship. Peter rebukes Cornelius for bowing to him in Acts 10:25-26, saying, “I too am a man.” Similarly, angels twice rebuke John in Revelation 19:10 and 22:9 when he bows before them, redirecting him to “worship God.” These examples underscore that even acts intended as reverence, such as bowing, carry an inherent risk of being misconstrued as worship. The *Book of Enoch*, part of the Ethiopian Orthodox canon, provides a striking parallel. In 1 Enoch 21:1-6, it describes a place of torment for those who bow to created beings, stating, “The spirits of those who bow to them and their works are bound here for eternity.” Such warnings reflect a consistent biblical and extrabiblical emphasis on avoiding acts that might compromise the worship of God alone. Anders’ appeal to St. Jerome’s defense of veneration against Vigilantius also highlights the contested nature of these practices in early Christianity. Vigilantius denounced veneration as superstitious and unbiblical, critiquing it in ways strikingly similar to the Protestant Reformers centuries later. Like the Reformers, Vigilantius argued that these practices risked idolatry and deviated from the biblical model of worship. The existence of this debate demonstrates that veneration was not universally accepted, even within the early Church. Tertullian, another early voice, expressed concerns about idolatry in On Idolatry: “We do not bring Him sacrifices or offerings or worship in temples but direct prayers and supplications to Him.” Similarly, Origen emphasized the directness of prayer in On Prayer: “We may not pray to any originated being, not even to Christ Himself, but only to the God and Father of all.” These statements reveal an early Christian emphasis on direct worship of God that leaves no room for saintly intercession or veneration. Furthermore, the historical development of saint veneration complicates Anders’ defense. While he emphasizes its universality in later Christian traditions, this practice appears to have emerged gradually under the influence of Greco-Roman cultural norms, particularly the system of patronage, where intermediaries acted on behalf of individuals. Athenagoras of Athens, in his Plea for the Christians, distances Christian worship from such practices: “We recognize one God... not subject to suffering and change... We direct prayers and supplications to Him.” These early theological frameworks challenge the notion that saint veneration has apostolic roots. Early Christian writers like Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch, who focused exclusively on Christ as mediator, offer no evidence for veneration, reinforcing the conclusion that it was a later development, not an apostolic practice.
I had a vision of Mother Mary once in a forest here in Scotland. She spoke to me so I know for sure it was her. She said: "I AM THE IMMACULATE DECEPTION"
Ooooops .... I meant to say "I AM THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION" .... NOT .... "I AM THE IMMACULATE DECEPTION". A slip of the tongue. Trying to mock Mary would be like trying to mock Zeus or Wotan or Thor. Why would I want to mock a figure in mythology ???? It would be pointless.
What are you saying heaven hasnt been opened didnt jesus told that one man in the cross that He will be in heaven on the same day they are crucified and didnt jesus told the man that couldnt walk that he will jump like a deer. You are the First HUMAN ever that I hear saying heaven is Not Open. What happenes to people when they die? Obviosly they go straight into heaven
NO MARY, NO JESUS; KNOW MARY, KNOW JESUS: How can any so-called Christian doubt the sanctity of the Blessed Virgin Mary when she is more child to the Father, more Mother to the Son, and more spouse to the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:35) than any other human being⁉ In Luke 1:35 it says: And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. This verse reveals the Blessed Virgin Mary is daughter to God the Father, mother to the Son, and spouse to the Holy Ghost.
Using the Bible alone yet you never used the Bible. You made excuses to pray to her. Show me ONE PERSON in the Bible the came to Jesus in prayer through Mary? Scripture and verse.
You're committing the logical fallacy of an argument from silence...this is the same tactic Muslims use against Christianity. He did use scripture, just have to pay attention. Ephesians 6:17-18 says that we can venerate and ask for intercession of the saints. John 17:22 proves asking for intercession and veneration is not idolatry. This is backed up by Job 5:1, Revelation 4:10, 5:8, 5:5, 6:9-11, 7:13-17, 8:3-4, Jeremiah 15:1, Hebrews 12:1, Mark 9:4, Mark 12:27, John 8:50-57 and many more. Interesting that you're handle name is Sirach which is one of the 7 Deuterocananical books from the Bible removed by Protestants. What is the Biblical justification for removing 7 books from the Bible and doctoring verses like Romans 3:28 by writing in the word 'alone' (some translations say 'without') as Luther did? Where are is Sola Scriptura named in the Bible? Chapter and verse.
Wake up people! Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. This proves that nobody is in heaven yet and are all asleep. How do raise up people that are in heaven? And better question is if all souls are waiting to be raised except christ then who are you people hearing from when praying to anyone except God as Jesus taught? Demons!!!!
9:46 saints have power? No scripture ever tells you the the saints who are living or dead and alive in the heavenly realm have any powers that God has. 9:49 This is false belief with no foundation in scripture! Mary conceived without sin? Romans 3:23 states otherwise and just how does Mary's mother conceive a child that would be without sin ? Sorry but you have believed a lie and are now teaching others this lie. Mary was born in the bloodline of Adam as all mankind is . Therefore she had inherited a sin nature, which is spiritual not physical ,and when Mary had Jesus in her womb for 9 months there was no transference of spiritual as Jesus did not have a human father. So a good lack of scripture to prove praying to someone other than God for anything! Lets see 73 books in the bible and not one of those books ever points out that anyone would pray to someone other than God , but with your interpretation of us becoming God That is in the CCC not the bible , you come out with prayers to a mortal to do what only God can do? You then end it with the rosary as if that is what a believer is to do ? Pray to a mortal half a prayer that is found in Luke 1: and the other half with pagan influence as Luke 16: 22 points out angels will take us to heaven ,not the Lord's mother . 73 books of the bible as Romans 15:4 tells us is an example of what we are to believe and not one verse ever telling you to pray to someone, regardless of rank , other than God Heb 4:15,16
Let's see: " Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” So Eli′phaz the Te′manite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Na′amathite went and did what the Lord had told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer. And the Lord restored the fortunes of Job, when he had prayed for his friends; and the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before." Imagine that.
Jesus taught that only he was the way, the truth, and the Life, and that no one can go before The Father except through Him. To say you can pray to someone else to get your message to God, is that not by definition a blatant disregard for the teachings of Christ?
God makes us dependent upon each other from before birth to our death. It is God’s will and God’s plan. And, though we are all dependent upon each other, God is still and always God, and there is no other. We need to be sure to not allow the world to separate us from the graces of God: Mary, the Saints, the Eucharist, Confession, the Holy Mass, Confirmation, Baptism, Holy Orders, Last Rites, His Church, our prayers, and the prayers of others for us! Look at how many want to use smoke and mirrors, hand waving the sensationalism of “the rapture” and the false notion that you know that you are already saved no matter what you do. If you do not eat His body and drink His blood, you have no life within you!
@felesamabilis when you say "Intercession," are you saying that the saints are having to take your prayer to God, that you are not able to pray directly? Or are you simply saying that you are asking the Saint to pray to God for you, in addition to your own prayer to God?
And he said to them "when you pray, say "our Father in heaven..." He didn't say, this lady is my mother, after she's dead pray to her. Jesus himself told us the way we should pray, so why are you making a youtube video telling people to pray a different way?
You are a false teacher. The Bible clearly teaches that believers should seek guidance from God and his spirit only. Talking to and praying to the dead is a serious sin. If you think you need to talk to anyone but the trinity and intercede with the dead then you have a very weak faith to begin with.
So, what do you think? Is praying to Mary Biblical or not? 🤔
Absolutely biblical!
Absolutely no foundation to pray to a mortal regardless of how righteous they may be.
So much is taught about the mother of Christ and it is not found in scripture The scriptures declare she was the most blessed woman in history and she was the mother of Jesus and everything you have been taught about Mary is from outside the scriptures.
@brucewmclaughlin9072 yet Luke 5:20 proves what we do.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Such as?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 in the fullness of time when God enacted His plan for the salvation of man, who did He go through?
Luke 1:26-28 At that time, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary. And when the angel come to her, he said, Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women.
That is (K. kecharitome e; full of grace) indicates that God has already "graced" Mary previous to this point, making her a vessel who has been" and "is now" filled with divine life.
Luke 1:41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the child leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44
Luke 1:48 ...For behold, henceforth all generation wil all me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
This is what we pray. It is indeed scriptural. Do you Call her blessed as the scriptures tell you to do, "henceforth all generation wil all me blessed"?
I was raised Lutheran and recently decided to convert to Catholicism. While I'm not officially a Catholic I've begun praying the Rosary daily. I find it brings me such a sence of peace
Praise God 😄
God bless you and welcome home 🙏🏻
@@CameronRiecker Amen
@@just_norma7 thank you!
That takes courage Charles. Much respect. God bless you and welcome home.
The Wedding at Cana is a great example of “The Chain of Command” in use.
Mary is made aware of the shortage of wine. She then conveys to Our Lord this need. He performs the miracle.
My pastors lied to me as a protestant glad im catholic now
Welcome home!
So what lies did the pastor give you that you chose not to prove to yourself that what you are taught is correct ? Acts 17:11
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 You think that the Bereans after instruction on what the scripture means agreeing with scripture means that you don't need someone to teach?
@@BensWorkshop The noble "Bereans" - Lets' consider them as examples. They were absolutely absorbed in scripture. 24/7/365 they studied it, disputed over it, pondered it, read it and memorized it. In all of this, they missed one small detail:
JESUS CHRIST.
Even when Paul preached Christ to them, they still doubted and ran back to the same scriptures (which had NOT lead them to Christ). And again, EVEN after that, not all of them converted. What a bunch of blockheads.
@@BensWorkshop No , the point is not to blindly accept what you are taught without questioning it. Acts 8:25-36 Yes we need teachers and that is one of the gifts God has given to build up the church /body of Christ.
Cameron makes a very good explanation.
O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.
Catholics pray to God! And we also Pray to Ever Virgin Mary that Virgin Mary, may intercede for us as Virgin Mary interceded for the wedding couple in Cana!
If Mary did not intercede to Her Son Jesus, the wedding couple would have no wine, to celebrate their wedding.
However, it goes deeper than the wine, Virgin Mary was telling Jesus Christ. It is time to begin his ministry on earth.
Mary poses a statement they have run out of wine . Jesus responds what has that got to do with me? Then Mary tells who to do what ? Mary does not tell Jesus to do anything .
Catholics pray to God! And we also Pray to Ever Virgin Mary that Virgin Mary, may intercede for us
believers pray to God in the name of Jesus .
In 73 books of the bible ( Romans 15:4 points towards the bible as our example ) you do not find anyone praying to anyone except God .
73 books of the bible ,no mention of lets pray to someone other than God , let that sink in a bit.
Why would you pray to a mortal when God is the only one who can answer?
Mary was only a Virgin when she birthed Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Immaculate Conception, AFTERWARDS, she had children after she knew Joseph as recorded in the scriptures, which the Catholic Church denies to this day because it will crumble their religion, "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus" (Matthew 1:24-25 KJV). Mary also had other children as noted in this scripture when the pharisees talked about Jesus being the son of a carpenter and having brothers and sisters, which were there as well, " Is not this the carpenter's son? is not HIS MOTHER called MARY? and HIS BRETHREN, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And HIS SISTERS, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" (Matthew 13:55-56 KJV). There are many, many, errors within the Catholic Church that keep MISLEADING their congregations. "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world" (John 16:33 KJV). Amen! Amen!!!
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 do you ask anyone else to pray for you?
-> Hebrews 13:18 - St paul asks to "pray for them (for the leaders)"
-> James 5:14 - St James says to 'pray over them' (for sick people)
-> 3 John 1:2 - St John prays for Gaius (for someone beloved)
-> 1 Timothy 2:1-4 - We are instructed to pray for others.
Why did Paul ask for other's prayers? Wasn't he able to pray for himself?
Why did James instruct the elders to pray for the sick people? Can't they do it themselves?
Why did John pray for Gaius? Even though Gaius walk in truth, why should someone else pray for him?
Why should we pray for someone else? They can pray for themselves. Right?
If you have complimentary questions like - can saints hear us? can saints pray? why would saints pray for us? please ask
@@brucewmclaughlin9072
Mary encourage her Son for the first miracle - its a sign to start His mission.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Jesus made it pretty clear that his time has not come. He did the miracle ONLY because of Mary's intercession.
Absolutely amazing explanation of our faith , Our Lady of Guadalupe pray for us all, in Jesus name Amen...
This is the best explanation of praying to the Blessed Mother and the saints. God loves to work THROUGH US.
God loves to work THROUGH US
Yes He does but Mary does not and whereas the scriptures tell you that Christ lives in you and the Holy Spirit resides within you and God is the one who guides us to all truth , you find that Mary has nothing to do with the believer . She brought Jesus into the world but she did not have any powers to do anything other than being a good mother as she was. Heb 12:2 tells us who we are to focus on and the entire bile shows us it is Christ who is our savior , so why does the roman Catholic church put so much emphasis on the Lord's mother?
@ How did God choose to bring Jesus to the earth? Through Mary. My point is that God uses all of us for his glory. God chose to use Mary for the most important job of all. Do you think that after she passed He deemed her importance finished? She just sits up in Heaven at his feet doing nothing? Some of us believe He is still using Mary to help all of us. We are all part of the Body of Christ whether we are on earth or beyond it. If you are looking for the Bible to tell you everything word for word, you will miss so much. The Bible is wonderful, but it isn’t all there is. God works in people’s lives all the time. None of that is recorded in the Bible.
@@mschmidt1645 God chose to use Mary for the most important job of all. Do you think that after she passed He deemed her importance finished?
So that can be said for each apostle . Still 73 books of the bible by example shows you that no one prays to anyone other than God for anything till 385 AD when the roman Catholic church decided it was a good thing to do!
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Everyone was in hell until Jesus rose from the dead to free them. You wouldn’t pray to anyone in hell. Also, in Revelations the elders carry prayers in golden bowls. Where did those prayers come from?
It is biblical to use intercessors. Jesus Himself said this. Luke 5:20
Interesting point! :) Thanks for the comment!
@CameronRiecker Amen. Keep up the great content.
How does that verse support your point? I don't see it at all.
Are you claiming that because they carried the man who couldn't walk and had absolutely no way to get to Jesus himself, that is somehow analogous to praying to Mary?
@120Pythons I am saying that through intercession, God hears our prayers just as Jesus told them here.
@@120PythonsThe friends had faith, which they used to intercede on behalf of the paralyzed man. Intercession by faith, prayer, deed --however it is done --is powerful. When we pray for our family or friends, we are interceding; we are praying to God on behalf of them. Similarly, when you ask your family and friends to pray for you, you are asking for their intercessory prayers. In the same way, we ask Mary through our prayers to her to intercede on our behalf and go to Jesus who will not refuse his mother. When our prayers are answered we know it is Jesus who answered our prayers. One more thing, when we pray to Mary, it is in addition to praying directly to Jesus. Don't we believe that prayers from family and friends in addition to our own is more efficacious than our one little prayer? 🙏
HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE PRAY FOR US AMEN ❤️❤️❤️🙏
AMEN! 🙏
Hail Jesus our savior who died for all of our sins and has prayed for us. Romans 8:34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
Cameron is being sneaky. Letting people pray the rosary even just once locks them to the Blessed Mother. It will only be a matter of time. 😊
And I recite the rosary everyday
@@myronmercado you need enlightenment
This is only my opinion so forgive me if I am wrong, I'm not really one of the smartest people around, but I feel that God is pleased with those who respect heiarchy.
I mean if you think about how his creations work, the Angels have heiarchy with there being 9 Choirs and all, Animals have heiarchies, even the way we function as society have heiarchies with government, or the family structure, even the whole principal teacher student thing. Even if you design with colors, they have heiarchies there too depending on the function of your design. If you buy groceries, there are items you prioritize, etc.
It just makes sense to me. And it's not like we're taking away love or respect from Jesus and distributing it to someone else, it's just an act of humbling ourselves to our Lord.
Idk, sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm not good at making my thoughts into words or something like that. 😅
You are exactly right. Even in Romans 13:1-10 we are told to respect those in authority over us.
@@kisstune Also Hebrews 13:17
@@Kittybeans0909 This is one of the things I have recently realized too. The exorcists say this about demons as well. The higher up demons are harder to get rid of. There is definitely a heirchy there and in everything in our lives as you pointed out.
Scott Hahn would be proud of you, if he’s not already. He says so profoundly & truly, that the Catholic Church is the fulfillment of biblical religion. Keep up the excellent work!
The reformation stole from protestants the easiest path to Jesus, and that was the Blessed Virgin Mary.
We are save by Grace Alone by Faith Alone in Christ Alone for the Glory of God Alone!
@@EBeautiful-f9d That is not in Scripture. Do we need The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? That is not Christ Alone, we need the Trinity. It is not the Glory of God alone because God shares His glory with us (2 Cor 3:18, Romans 8:17) it is not faith alone we also need repentance and baptism (Acts 2:38, Romans 6:3, Galatians 3:27). Grace does not save us apart from our free will. God respects our freedom (Romans 10:13, Revelation 3:20).
@ “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.”
(James 2:26)
@@pamelahermano9298 Read the whole 2nd Chapter of James, it talks about the Profitability of our Faith!
@@EBeautiful-f9dplease tell me where does it say all that in the Bible?
Mary can intercede for us at time of judgement. Who wouldn't want that? Her prayer acknowledges who she is and ask her to pray for us now and at the hour of our death. She is the real queen!
Thanks for the beautiful information
I clicked on this just to support the message especially on this Holy solemnity of the Immaculate Conception but I ended up learning!! This is awesome and clear cut.
Thanks for the support 😄 God bless you!
Excellent Cameron! Trust Protestants to personally interpret the Bible resulting in the wrong understanding, many “truths” resulting in the confusion, division & scandal of 000’s of sects which is not of Jesus who willed unity Jn 17:11-23
O'Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee 🙏
Its more than in our bible its in our hearts. I tell my own mother I love her why wouldnt I love the Mother of God like Jesus loves her?
Very true words about our holy mother Mary. She will show up when you pray the rosary and give you a sign that she is watching you pray 🙏 the rosary.
It's exactly what I've been telling Protestants. Perfectly said because God also uses you to teach people through YT.
beautiful explanation
Blessed Christmas: YOU CAN NO LONGER FEAR ME!
Pope Benedict XVI: “God’s sign is simplicity. God’s sign is the baby. God’s sign is that he makes himself small for us. This is how he reigns. He does not come with power and outward splendor. He comes as a baby - defenseless and in need of our help. He does not want to overwhelm us with his strength. He takes away our fear of his greatness. He asks for our love: so he makes himself a child. He wants nothing other from us than our love, through which we spontaneously learn to enter into his feelings, his thoughts and his will - we learn to live with him and to practice with him that humility of renunciation that belongs to the very essence of love. God made himself small so that we could understand him, welcome him, and love him. God, who has become a child, says to us: you can no longer fear me, you can only love me.”
Why did I ask my mom first growing up, when Dad made the money decisions?
My Dad often said no or wait.
When my mom said it was okay, my Dad always said yes.
He would move mountains for Her.
If She said no, I would never bother Dad to ask.
She knew Dad’s mind best and how and when to ask.
Bravo 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽. This is one of the best analogy used to explanation.
This argument of dignity is very new to me and it makes a lot of sense. Based.
In the first 30 seconds of the video, you said that you would use *only* the Bible as your guide. I was expecting some example in Scripture where someone prayed a prayer other than to God Himself. Scripture (including the Old Testament) records thousands of years of the history of God's work in redeeming mankind, and throughout the written history, there are many examples of prayers offered by various men and women through time. Yet I have not found one single example in Scripture (over thousands of years of Jewish and Christian history) where anyone prayed to anyone other than to God. Doesn't that tell you something?
And why, in the New Testament, when someone came to Jesus to make a request of Him, did He not direct them to go ask His mother? And why did not the writers of the New Testament direct believers to seek out Mary in their prayers? Surely something as important as prayer would not have been omitted from Scripture.
And finally, why did Jesus, when asked by the disciples how to pray, not mention prayer to Mary or to other saints? Or to anyone else other than the Father?
The first recorded (written prayer to Mary of which I am aware is the Sub tuum praesidium which was written around the year 250 A.D. (more than 200 years after the resurrection). It reads like this:
Beneath thy compassion,
We take refuge, O Theotokos [God-bearer]:
do not despise our petitions in time of trouble:
but rescue us from dangers,
only pure one, only blessed one
The Sub tuum praesidium petitions Mary to "rescue us from dangers." Do Roman Catholics believe that Mary has the power to rescue you from dangers or do you believe that she petitions God to rescue us? The words of the prayer suggest that "she" will rescue you from dangers.
As per that logic, you cannot worship or pray to Holy Spirit or the Trinity. There is simple no example from Bible. Many things are inferred by studying Bible.
And yes, we can ask any saints or angels to rescue us. Paul says he has saved many souls. If we can ask another human on earth to save us, we can ask saints too. Jesus teaches all of us have a guardian angel. For what purpose? For nothing?
@@tiju.j Praying to the Trinity IS praying to God. And as I stated, there is no example in Scripture (over thousands of years) of anyone praying to someone other than God. There are no prayers to humans or angels in Scripture. Can you cite one?
@@atobpe Who said God is Trinity? Its not there in Bible.
@@tiju.j Scripture is very clear that the Father is God, and that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Granted "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the full deity of Father / Son / Holy Spirit is there in the Bible.
@@atobpe Show me the verse. Show me at least one example of worshiping Holy Spirit. Truth is my friend, it was defined by catholic church much later. Without the church, you don't know what Trinity is.
Beautiful, keep up the videos.
I think it's not biblical. In the Bible there is no direct statements to pray to Mary. Once I was devotedly praying to Mary. Once, during prayer, I had revelation like voice from Mary "look at my son" then I started to pray to Jesus instead. We have restricted time during a day or lifetime so I prefer to spend it with Jesus than with Mary. Looking for Biblical arguments in favour of praing to Mary is just broad interpretation of Scripture. Better to stick to Bible then go with the flow and looking for justification of tradition
So well stated. There were many conversations and debates I’ve had where I wish I could have quoted this video. Excellent explanations.
Hail Mary full of grace!🇻🇦🙏🙏
How did Jesus teach us to pray? "Our Father who art in heaven..."
Jesus taught them many ways to pray. Cannot pluck just one verse and add 'only' to it.
Okay well wheres the Mary one?
@@JusheisAwesome We can ask Mary or anyone else intercessory prayer. Paul says always do intercession. Use your commonsense.
Do you pray to Holy Spirit or the Trinity? Can you show me one example anyone worshiping Holy Spirit in Bible?
The Blessed Virgin Mary is:
- the “woman” of Genesis 3:15 & Rev. 12;
- Jesus called Mary “woman” (John 2:4 & 19:26-27);
- the “woman” in Revelation 12:1 because Jesus is the “man child” in Revelation 12:5;
- the nemesis of Satan (Genesis 3:15)
- the mother of God (Luke 1:35 & 43);
- Elizabeth exclaimed, “And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord (God);
- the spiritual mother of all (John 19:26-27);
- the new “type” of Ark (Rev. 11:19-12:2);
- Mary took the same path to and from Egypt the Ark took (Matt 2:13-23);
- Mary being the new Ark, John the Baptist danced just as King David did with the arrival of the Ark (Luke 1:41 & 2 Samuel 6:14-22);
- Mary being the new Ark, the 3 objects in the Ark (Hebrews 9:4) are the scriptural “type” of the mind, body, and soul of Jesus in the womb of Mary;
- the Queen of Heaven and Earth (Rev. 12:1-2);
- Mary is Queen because “on her head a crown 👑 of twelve stars ✨”(Rev. 12:1);
- the stars ✨ represent the angels cast out of heaven “And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth (Rev. 12:4);
- FULL OF GRACE (Luke 1:28)
- whose soul magnifies the Lord (Luke 1:46).
- the Almighty has done great things to me (Luke 1:49).
Mary is queen also because her Son is King of heaven.
I worship God through prayer so yes we pray to God, we also ask Mary to pray to God for us. Scripture tells us Saints offer our prayers to God in this scripture passage
Smoke billowed up from the incense-laced prayers of the holy ones, rose before God from the hand of the Angel. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand. Revelations 8:4
We know she’s not God, she is obviously a Saint
Thank god,,, it is 100% accurate
Let me correct u my bro, Catholic believe in holy Trinity,GOD ,son Jesus n holy spirit,they are one n works together, Catholic hail Mary Mother of Jesus as Devine intervention to pray for us sinners,how can you honour Jesus yet forget Joseph n Mary as they are holy family
Had this chain of command was not spoken of in the scriptures. We don’t see anybody in the Scripture is going to Mary to get to Jesus.
We get answered every time, not always in a way that we want, hope for and least of all expect, but we do get the answer we are asking (praying) for.
Every time.
All thanks and praise be to God.
Tenete Traditiones
God bless.
I'm still learning about catholic as a protestant. truthfully, i can't agree with praying to Mary and catholic prayer yet. But the strange thing is, the thought of praying to Mary give me so much peace! And I have to admit that involve Mary definitely deliver the message of respecting women, but protestantism definitely overlook female figure. wow, catholicism is so powerful.
Marys role with the mystical body, She is yhe daughter of God the Father,The Spouse of the Holy Spirit, and the Mother of Jesus.
Ironically, this video started with an ad for "The Real Jesus" and shows a Pastor saying, "NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME! That is the most exclusive statement you can make." lol. Anyway, good treatment of the subject. The Saints/Mary is my favorite thing about being Catholic (I am a convert from Protestantism).
amen!!!!
crystal clear!!!
Judgment came when I was 15 years old it’s already been said and done. It all came down to me, making a deal to protect and preserve the innocence whom still believe in Jesus and God and worship them and all boil down to the deal and if I break that deal, life will be no more and he’s not gonna start over. He’s that angry.
It's also worth noting that "praying" in catholicism is slightly diffirent than a protesntant would define it to be.
In protestancism it's just talking to an deity or asking that deity. (which assumes it's a deity, that's why they call us Heretics according to their own definitions)
While in Catholicism "praying" has 2 meanings.
First if speaking with or asking God for something
and
Second is alligning your mind and soul with GOD'S WILL.
What does that mean?
If we ask Mary or Saint to pray for us, by DEFINITION it's praying not because we ask them and treat them as Gods
but because
It's praying because it's trying to allign with God's will.
Also, in that kind of Definition if you are Muslim
And then put Bible and Quran next to each other and say outloud "God, whatever book is the truth just let me know".
but since in protentancism it's just talking to the right God (Trinitarian)
and if you are muslim you assume God is one person
then it's not praying
While in Catholicism that scenario would could as praying SINCE it's trying to find the truth, aka alligning yourself with Gods will. The true God, not a false one.
Edit: This is why i believe watching Jordan Peterson in modern times is so important. Satan has perverted definitions in our language for the most crucial words like love, pray, etc.
Understanding how words change and how to decontrust the original meaning and showing off that we might use the same words but mean completly something else is crucial in todays age.
"Instead" i always love that word because their is no "instead"
in the fullness of time when God enacted His plan for the salvation of man, who did He go through?
Luke 1:26-28 At that time, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary. And when the angel come to her, he said, Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women.
That is (K. kecharitome e; full of grace) indicates that God has already "graced" Mary previous to this point, making her a vessel who has been" and "is now" filled with divine life.
Luke 1:41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the child leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44
Luke 1:48 ...For behold, henceforth all generation wil all me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
This is what we pray. It is indeed scriptural. Do you Call her blessed as the scriptures tell you to do, "henceforth all generation wil all me blessed"?
And If God goes though Mary, why shouldn't we? It is Biblical.
He is correct.
God’s angel’s never exaggerate,
notice the way Mary was greeted?
‘Hail’ and ‘Full of Grace’.
Elizabeth’s husband was a Priest,
yet he was spoken to very differently.
Our beautiful Mother is the ‘woman’ in Genesis.
Blessed are You Lord,
Jesus Christ,
King of the universe ✝️🙏🏻❤️
The "Hail Mary, full of grace" is a perversion of the Greek text of Luke 1:28, which reads Χαῖρε κεχαριτωμένη (Chaire kecharitōmenē), meaning nothing more than "Greetings, favored one". Mary's name isn't even mentioned in the greeting, not that that matters in comparison to the perversion of κεχαριτωμένη (kecharitōmenē). The only persons the New Testament applies the πλήρης χάριτος (plērēs charitos) "full of grace" designation to are Jesus (John 1:14) and Stephen (Acts 6:8).
So cut the crap.
Wow… I didn’t know you knew more than St. Jerome.
My dude, good on you🙏🏻😊
@@michaelcross2892 Lying for the cause was standard operating procedure back then. Jerome and Augustine both did it.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh "the Lord is with thee" (Luke 1:28)
And that was even BEFORE she said yes to conception
Worth pointing out that Jesus is the eternal King of Heaven and Earth and is the final King of David's line. People can just look at the Old Testament to see how that works. For example, who is a Davidic king's queen? Does he have a steward of the palace and if so, what is his badge of office etc.
In case anyone wondering:
Gebirah - The Queen Mother (Bathsheba etc in OT, Mary in NT)
Steward - Keyholder, father to all the people of Judah (Eliakim in OT, Peter in NT)
@@tiju.j Of the Davidic kings mentioned in the Old Testament, all but one or two have the Gebirah named. So if Jesus didn't have one he would not be a king of David's line.
Because it is biblico.
The Gabriel Salut to be happy full of grace, and the second part is Isabel Salut blessed are you and blessed is fruit of your womb
Brilliant explanation.
The problem with this apolgia is that you cannot reconcile: 1) Mary is not omniscient and cannot hear you when you pray to her; and 2) there is ***one*** mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5). So any response you believe you get from God by using Mary as a mediator is **despite** what you are doing, not **because** of what you are doing. Saying this another way, you cannot ask someone who has died to intercede to God for you like a living person can. Mary is incapable of hearing you, just as Joseph (her husband) and the apostles are incapable of hearing you and interceding. If this was possible, don't you think there would be at least one passage in the New Testament stating this? Don't you think the book of Acts would demonstrate this in the early church? No, it doesn't. You are stoking a false doctrine based Medieval ideas of man.
1: A person does not need to be Omniscient. I don't think protestants know what this word means.
You have not demonstrated why a saint cannot hear me. I can _hear_ you although you _spoke_ 8 hours ago from a distant point.
Most saints have several Miracles attributed to them. Even if they don't there is no reason that God could not or would not help them in these areas you think they need help in. Usually, People will include a time element here and I will go ahead and point out there is no time in heaven.
2a: There is *one* Mediator between *GOD* and man.
There are as many intercessors who are willing to be, between *you* and *JESUS.*
2b: Those in heaven are not dead, they are _written in the book of life_ and _God is God of the living and not the dead_
2c: you haven't shown why Mary, or any saint can't hear us. ( you forgot to add the hypocritical statement about necromancy, which then shows the _dead_ can hear us.)
2d: No, I don't think it is necessary for all things to be spelled out in the Bible.
A: because the Bible does not say it is necessary.
B: because we have examples of it not being as you say. IE. Where is the Table of Contents? As there is no Table of Contents then there apparently is no Scripture
2e: why would it need to be in the book of acts.
2f: if this is a false doctrine because it comes at a later date then you must also apply this concept to your own denomination and all the things you have been taught by it. It came out possibly only half a century ago.
@@dave_ecclectic Omniscient: From modern Latin omniscient-, omnisciens "knowing all things, all-knowing," derived from omni- (from omnis "all") and scient-, sciens "knowing,"
The only person who is omniscient is God. You are not. I am not. Angels are not. And Mary is not. And for Mary to be able to hear the prayers of everyone worldwide (even simultaneously), she would definitely have to be omniscient. That my friend, she is not able to do - no matter how much you hope for this to happen.
You are getting confused with intercession by someone ***living*** in whom you ask to pray for you. Neither of you need to be omniscient to do this. That is why ***only*** Jesus is able to mediate on your behalf to God the Father. As God, he has this ability.
I have no idea what you are referring to with your Table of Contents analogy.
There are three things a New Testament church considers for their doctrine: 1) Was it taught in the Gospels? 2) Was it practiced in the book of Acts (of the Apostles)? 3) Was it taught in the various epistles. This Medieval practice is not supported in any one of these three.
We don’t need the Bible to spell out everything? I have just showed you how your Medieval practice violates scripture in 1 Timothy 2:5. Now let me quote from the New Catholic Bible 1 Corinthian 4:6: “Brethren, I have applied all this to Apollos and myself for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, 'Do not go beyond what has been written.' None of you should become inflated with pride against anyone else." So yes, we do not create our own doctrine.
When Mary’s cousin, Elizabeth, met Mary after she conceived, Elizabeth exclaimed in Luke 1:42, “Blessed are you among women.” You have twisted this to say, “Blessed are you above women”.
You are violating holy scripture, and you are teaching others to violate holy scripture. There is a greater judgment awaiting those who teach (James 3:1). Think about it.
@@azjim2946
As I said, I don't think Protestants know what Omniscient means. No one, not anyone on earth or in heaven, needs the ability to know all things to hear a request. I'm not All knowing but I CAN HEAR YOU!
Those in heaven are not dead, they are living.
And again... Jesus Mediates between us and God. ANYONE can intercede between us and *Jesus.* Deja vu??
Can you find me any Passages that says God is God of the dead? I showed you two for His being God of the Living. Can you show me where the Bible say those in heaven can't hear us? you claim they can't but then you don't show me any proof, just more of your modern traditions.
You claim all things IMPORTANT must be in the Bible, you go so far away from Biblical sources as to even claim which books something IMPORTANT must be within the Bible.
WHERE IS THE LIST OF BOOKS OF THE BIBLE? The Bible is a collection of books and letters. Please tell me where IN THE BIBLE, I can find this list?
Your requirement that something *so* important *must* be in the Bible. After all, how would you know what the canon of the Bible is? Wait until a handful of heretics come on the scene a millennia and half later to *tell* you? That wouldn't count as it isn't *in* the Bible. That would be _extrabiblical._
Can you tell me where in the Bible you obtained this list of yours of what a _New Testament church_ does?
More of your _modern practices?_ When you can't find it in the bible, you simply invent it?
For that matter just what is a _New Testament church?_ Is this where Billy Graham picks up a Bible and invents his very own church? Does he even need to pick up a Bible or can he invent it without one?
“Blessed are you above women”.
Now you simply lie. I haven't said this and haven't implied it. I think Luke 1:42, “Blessed are you among women.” and let's not forget Luke 1:48 "King James Bible
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."
Say all that needs to be said on this subject and says it quite well.
Why do you get to claim we have medieval practices while you get to use *MODERN* practices.
Isn't this smacking of hypocrisy?
Even if we did have medeval practices we also have not just1st century practices but 33 AD practices.
the only practices you have is what your pastor has invented.
Revelation 5 makes it abundantly clear that not only do the Saints in Heaven hear us, and as such are very much alive, but that the offer our prayers to God.
You think that the Saints in Heaven are dead? “I am the God of the living not the dead.” Did Jesus stop being their Lord when they died?
The Saints in Heaven are more alive than any person on earth can be as they are in the presence of the creator. I do not understand the prod obsession with “either or”, it seems to be an out growth of the enlightenment where everything is a zero sum game it seems.
The Apostolic “and also” is far more in line with scripture, tradition, and history- the church of the living in heaven continues to minister Christs mission until the end.
@@azjim2946 Dr. David Anders, a former Calvinist who pursued his PhD over a decade for the purpose of disproving the Catholic Faith-and ended up Catholic-explains the crux of this issue this way:
“[Orestes] Brownson [19th century American Catholic convert] makes a brilliant observation. He says the reason that protestants rejeyct devotion to saints is because they have rejected the notion of sacrifice, and so they don’t know the difference between worship and veneration. Worship, the honor due to Almighty God, is sacrifice. St. Paul says, ‘offer your bodies as living sacrifices. This is your spiritual act of worship.’ The centerpiece of Catholic worship is the Holy Sacrifice of the mass, the offering of the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus to God the Father in reparation for the sins of the world. That’s worship. To salute the flag is just veneration. But protestants threw out the idea of sacrificial worship. They threw out the sacrifice of the mass. And so for them there is no distinction between an act of worship and an act of veneration…If you look at the canon of the mass-this is the prayer in which the priest consecrates the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist-the saints come alongside us as partners in this sublime act of worship offering this one sacrifice. The whole Church in heaven and on earth offering Jesus to God the Father. The saints don’t appear in the mass as recipients of veneration or worship, but as participants in that…”
“Catholic devotion to Saints, not just to Our Lady, but to the Saints and to their relics, was to me the most manifest absurdity. It was the most rank superstition that could serve no purpose, and I was certain that Catholics had brought this into the practice of the Christian Faith from their pagan origins. And that critique is articulated by Calvin, the man that I studied. He wrote a diatribe against relics that was just a parody and a satire of all the most superstitious kind of medieval practices that he could possibly lampoon. So that was my mindset.
But in my dissertation work, I was really studying Calvin’s critique of late medieval Catholicism, and it forced me to dig deeper into the history of these Catholic devotions and spiritual practices. And as I read more deeply, especially in the ancient Church, one of the things that struck me was that you could not find a layer of Christian practice in which there was no devotion to the Saints. It didn’t matter if you were looking at popular spirituality, or the most elite and refined theologians, it didn’t matter if you looked in the east or the west, the north or the south, Latin, Greek, Syriac, Coptic, wherever you went throughout the world, you found this practice. There’s a passage in St. Jerome’s letter against Vigilantius, when he says-Jerome of course is a 4th century doctor of the Church-he says, “Does the Bishop of Rome do wrong? Does he do wrong when he offers the Holy Sacrifice (he’s talking about the mass) over the bones of the martyrs Peter and Paul, and not the Bishop of Rome only, but all the bishops throughout the world?” [St. Jerome, Against Vigilantius (§8)] That’s what we call catholicity, the universality of the practice. And I realized studying that if I wish to claim any continuity with the ancient Church, I may not reject devotion to the Saints and their relics.
So this is the practice. How then can I make sense of it? Is there a theology that makes sense of this? And of course there is. The doctrine of the communion of Saints, that we really are Christ in a mystical sense, we are His body. St. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5 that we have become God’s co-laborers as if Christ was making His appeal through us. We become members of Christ’s body, the Church. He He who beholds the Church beholds Christ! That’s what St. Gregory of Nyssa says. And we see [it] manifest in Scripture that Jesus chooses to manifest His grace to the world through these broken material instruments…And I began to see, yes, if I regard these not as pagan gods, as objects to be worshipped, but as instruments of grace, participating in that work of redemption as members of Christ’s body, the Church, all of a sudden my moral imagination, my universe of friendship has opened up. It’s not merely the Church on earth with which I’m in fellowship. It’s the Church triumphant in heaven, that great cloud of witnesses that Hebrews talks about, or Revelation 5, those twenty-four elders offering up the prayers of the Church on earth before the throne of God as incense. And suddenly it became a beautiful picture of a deeper communion with Jesus, and I said, “it’s biblical, it’s historical, it’s also rational, and it’s edifying. I can accept that.” And once I was able to wrap my head around the communion of saints, putting Our Lady into that picture, I already had a conceptual in which She made sense. And Her eminent sanctity as the one “full of grace,” the Theotokos, the Mother of God, made Her elevation above that company of saints quite reasonable to me…”
Wrong title, title should be why catholic pray to God and to Mother Mary and the saints? "
It’s more of a click bait title at this point
This was so good
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1 Timothy 2:5
"For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine..." -2 Timothy 4:3
"Pray like this: 'Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy.'" -Matthew 6:9
"...shouldn't a people consult with their God?..." -Isaiah 8:19
👉'Jesus answered him, "Get behind me Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and you shall serve him only.'" -Luke 4:8
The question has the wrong assumption. (Pun on assumption/Assumption is unintentional. ) Protestants and other anti Catholics pit her vs The Holy Trinity.
Verse in the Gospel states "if they are not against us, they are for us." Jesus said that.
Early Protestants including Henry VIII prayed to BV Mary and other saints. But, that got de-emphasized , where Protestants claimed, "Doing this is too Catholic."
Just as many in the early Church sought the mediation and intercession of mere human beings like Peter and Paul and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs, so too even now, for NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SEPARATE US! Especially the Mother of God, she who moved her Son and Lord to perform His public miracle, even though it was not yet His hour, touched by His Mother's compassion for the wedding couple as the prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects, as we are God's coworkers! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
We dont pray TO Mary.
We ask Mary to pray for us, to intercede for us to her son Jesus
We ask Mary to guide us to pray TO Jesus.
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: Christ’s role as mediator is at a “much higher level than those of the saints in the Old or New Testament, and even the most Holy Virgin Mary, when one speaks of their mediation or invokes their help. ‘For there is one God and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all.’ (1 Tim 2:5-6)”
Catholics don’t ’pray ‘ to Mary. Catholics ask Mary to pray for us . Asking for intercession and worship are very different things.
I think I saw two signs today. It all started with me watching a video why Catholics pray to the Virgin Mary. As I got to the end of the video I asked the Virgin Mary if she was listening to me and my concerns about converting to being a catholic and that I didn’t know and that I didn’t want to be deceived. As I was driving I saw a sign on a front yard of a house saying “pray” and as I got on the freeway a truck passed by me with an image of our lady of Guadalupe. What does that mean?
Pray to her
Peter's confession is the rock (not Peter).
Peter = Rock
@@tiju.jPeter's name was kephas kephas is rock. Not little pebble. Peter is the rock the Greek Grammer leaves 0 other interpretation
So Simon's name was changed to rock by Jesus for nothing?
@@David77757 "Therefore, he says, You are Peter; and upon this Rock which you have confessed,
upon this Rock which you have acknowledged, saying, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,
will I build My Church; that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church.
I will build you upon Myself, not Myself upon you."
- Augustine of Hippo
Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament
SERMON XXVI.
AGAIN ON MATT. XIV. 25:
OF THE LORD WALKING ON THE WAVES OF THE SEA, AND OF PETER TOTTERING.
@@linsodtf2645 "Therefore, he says, You are Peter; and upon this Rock which you have confessed,
upon this Rock which you have acknowledged, saying, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,
will I build My Church; that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church.
I will build you upon Myself, not Myself upon you."
- Augustine of Hippo
Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament
SERMON XXVI.
AGAIN ON MATT. XIV. 25:
OF THE LORD WALKING ON THE WAVES OF THE SEA, AND OF PETER TOTTERING.
👉"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." -1 John 1:8
"for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God" -Romans 3:23
"Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and doesn’t sin." -Ecclesiastes 7:20
"Behold, I was born in iniquity. My mother conceived me in sin." -Psalm 51:5
"...There is no one who does good, no, not one." -Psalm 14:3
👉From the mouth of Jesus himself:
"...No one is good except one-God." -Mark 10:18
👉From the mouth of Yahweh himself:
"...the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth..." -Genesis 8:21
⚠️"But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any “good news” other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed." -Galatians 1:8
The 24hrs of the passion of christ by luisa piccarreta is a book all catholics should read it details everything that jesus went through in his passion, believe me when i say Mel Gibsons movie touch on it alittle bit but not even close to what he really went through for us.
I’m sorry none of that gave you any prerogative to pray to Mary. You need to realize that your religion comes from paganism. That’s the reason why you guys have saints for everything because they replaced the household gods. Your religion when pagan Rome was being taken over by Christian Rome you guys had to appeal to the pagans and they were a matriarchal goddess religion. This is the reason why Mary replaced the matriarchal goddesses. It has nothing to do with it being biblical. You guys have to keep digging into the Bible to find it. Nobody reads the Bible and comes to the conclusion that Mary should be prayed too. This is completely eisegesis.
How come then ALL of the apostolic churches pray to saints? Orthodox church, Assyrian church, Coptic church all of them share same doctrine. All of them trace their roots back to apostles. Your argument that its a Roman invention doesn't stand. Forbidding praying to saints is a 16th century invention.
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Because they’re all break offs of each other. I don’t care what churches do. Do you see anybody praying to Saints in the Bible? Of course not.
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Because they’re all break offs of each other. I don’t care what churches do. Show me in the Bible where anyone prayed to a saint. You can’t.
Very simply, as followers of Christ we are called to follow his teachings and his example.
Jesus venerated His human mother, therefore we Catholics follow his example.
The Hail Mary is a request for intercession. We ask her to pray for us. That's it.
because she was the mother of Jesus, God graced (“FULL OF GRACE” Luke 1:28) her without the stain of original sin (“the Almighty has done great things to me” Luke 1:49). This is further corroborated in Genesis 3:15 when God promises a “woman” who will be the nemesis of Satan through her “seed” (her Son). This explains why Jesus called Mary “woman” (John 2:4 & 19:26-27). This is the promised messiah and his mother.
God was so pleased with his “handmaid” (meaning servant in Luke 1:38) that he crowned her as Queen of Heaven and Earth (Revelation 12:1-2). This is because, unlike Samson and King Solomon who was graced by God with superhuman strength and wisdom respectively, Mary was superhuman spiritually by trusting and obeying God in all things. She became the new “type” of Ark (Revelation 11:19-12:2) whose body contained the human nature of her divine Son (Hebrews 9:4).
I do not oppose speaking to those who have passed on before us, but not a single thing that you said here justifies such an action as something that is expected of Christians. We have no evidence whatsoever from the words of Christ, the NT letters, the OT scriptures, or the example of the early Christians that praying to a dead Christian was expected or normative.
The practice is a post apostolic development. Repeating "Every kingdom has a chain of command" doesn't change this.
"This is not me making this up." Well, not you alone.
Further, it is simply a fact that the reverence shown to some of the saints is disproportionate to the degree that it is indistinguishable from worship (i.e., the prayers of St. Alphonsus de Liguori to/about Mary).
"If you give Mary fifteen minutes, she will give you eternity in heaven." Umm... ya. There's your problem right there.
Exodus 20:4-5 reads "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”
This commandment was to prevent the Jews from making peselim (idols) in the temunah (likeness) of pagan gods, as all the surrounding races did. Remember the incident of the golden calf at Sinai. In the polytheistic environment of that age, there was always the danger of relapse into idolatry, of resorting to other gods
It says do not add or subtract from his word
Jesus warns us about following traditions of men
But men think it's ok n justify it by saying foolish things like oh we do it to get closer to Jesus or that the churches have the right to add create laws n traditions based on their beliefs
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the TRADITIONS (παραδόσεις) which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
@David77757
Yes now read the entire context
What's it saying
What traditions is it speaking about
The traditions taught the jews b then the disciples
Did the traditions they followed include rosary, praying to angels saints, Mary in heaven, no
Did they teach infant baptism, no
Kneeling to statues, no
Purgatory, no
Praying to anyone in heaven for intersection, no
Did they have titles like pope,vicar of christ, father,cardinals nuns,no
So many more I can add
Traditions passed down by word is the traditions ,it doesn't say that they have the liberty to add subtract create new traditions that wasn't taught by Jesus or his disciples
Cameron Riecker one question?
The more you say something untrue does not make it true. So if Mary was conceived without sin and lived a sinless life, Jesus’ sacrifice means nothing, because it’s not unique and something only God can do.
It's not biblical but based on tradition.
Whats wrong with tradition?
@@allendlikando496 exactly
Read 1 timothy 2 5:6 my brothers and sisters we only need Jesus
Much love
I was a catholic for 40 plus yrs
And just became a Protestant 3 yrs ago .
You all must read the Bible
You speaking the truth!!!!
Catholic or Protestant read your Bible.
I was Protestant and became Catholic because of what the Bible said. Protestants, at least the church I was in, didn’t take the Eucharist seriously. Communion was only done once a month even though it’s important to do. There were other questions they couldn’t answer that the Catholic Church did. To me the Catholic Church is where I and my family belong.
@@tristanriley1694for salvation... mediator for salvation. You left the church founded by God for one founded by man.
The great catholicism
Delusional. Jesus did not instigate this protocol as you claim. Neither did you or can you back this up with scripture.
Nowhere in the Bible does God Jesus his disciples ever teach preach praying to saints angels or Mary in heaven
Those are traditions that men created for their denominations
Jude 1:3 delivered unto the saints
Rev 8:4 prayer of the saints
many more
@agatatres9076
This is what happens when people quote 1 or 2 verses out of context instead of reading the entire chapter
This is what happens when you are taught according to your denomination
Jude is speaking to saints that were alive at that time, not when they were dead 8n heaven
Then you quoted 1 verse in revelation, 1 verse out of the entire chapter
If you bother to read the chapter that is not talking about the prayers of the living but of the one's whom have already died ,the angel is giving those prayers to the one who is sitting in the throne
Why would you use those 2 scriptures to validate living people to pray to angels saints in heaven or Mary
I’m sorry but the Bible is specific on prayer. The only one that needs to know why God does anything is God himself.
I think some said catholic pray to mother Mary yes we honour mother Mary n pray n worship Almighty God.pls drill this in anyone head and do not manuplate or ask any catholic they will explain you.
The scriptures tells us that the Apostles asked Jesus Christ how they should pray; and He answered them with the Lord's Prayer, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11 Give us this day our daily bread.12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" (Matthew 6:9-13 KJV). Jesus Christ never, ever, mentions praying to Mary, who by the way, after the Immaculate Virgin Conception and Birth of our Savior Jesus Christ, knew Joseph, "24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And KNEW her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus" (Matthew 1:24-25 KJV), and had other children, "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?" (Mark 6:3 KJV). Mary, along with the siblings of Jesus Christ, came one day to talk to Him when He was with His disciples and the people, "While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him" (Matthew 12:46 KJV). The Bible also gives us an example where people wanted to bow down to Peter and he rebukes them to not do so, "25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and WORSHIPPED him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man" (Acts 10:25-26 KJV). We pray to God through Christ Jesus, who is the mediator for ALL people, "5 For there is one God, and one MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (1 Timothy 2:5 KJV). There has never been mention of Mary or Angels as mediators, that is reserved specifically for Christ Jesus, Our Lord and Savior, who is our only High Priest, "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession" (Hebrews 4:14 KJV). Pray to Jesus Christ, whom is the High Priest for us all and mediator, and there is none other, "10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;" (Phillipians 2:10 KJV). Amen! Amen!!!
Wait a minute.
(a) Jesus DID NOT tell us to pray to Mary
(b) Jesus tells us NOT to pray to Mary
Which of these two are you saying is correct?
@@jerome2642 That is what I said, you are reading to hard; after Jesus Christ told His disciples how to pray, I also said, and I quote, "Jesus Christ never, ever, mentions praying to Mary." What part of that sentence don't you understand?
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I gave two statements (a) and (b).
Are you really saying that both statements mean the SAME thing? Because clearly, they don't.
To say that Jesus NEVER MENTIONED a particular practice isn't the same thing as saying that Jesus TOLD US NOT TO carry out that practice.
NOT TELLING YOU TO DO SOMETHING is different from TELLING YOU NOT TO DO SOMETHING.
No. It’s not Biblical. Show me on person after Pentecost that prayed to Mary? You can’t.
@@Sirach144 well said friend
Isn't praying to saints too speculative? How do you know that Judas was saved and is in Heaven?
They have to have a certain amt of miracles by their intersesion to God that's how we know
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It's a nice belief, I would have to investigate more how it is
“Instead” of God?
I was praying the question the way that Protestants usually do 😃
Mary is at the very top of the large crowd of intercessors from Genesis to Revelation. God is not a communist, selfish, insecure God as the Protestants make him to be.
The 12 Apostles or Paul never mentioned to go to Mary for your prayers. The Apostle or Paul never said to the people while Mary was living to go to her for your prayers and she will tell Christ your prayers. Apostles never said your need Mary doctrine because she will tell Christ your prayers and Mary is sinless. If Christ said there is NO ONE "GOOD" but GOD then why do you put Mary good(sinless)? Are you saying she is equal with GOD by being sinless? just asking
Are you saying the mother of the Lord is a sinner? just asking
@@David77757 I can only say Jesus Christ said no one is good but God. My belief Mother Mary had sin in her life and needed Jesus Christ to saved her. If I am wrong please show me. Thanks
Jesus Christ gave the Apostles the Apostles Doctrine for salvation and how to obey Christ commands. The Apostles Doctrine never mentioned that Mary had any part for salvation.
The Bible provides no clear precedent for praying to saints or Mary. Instead, Scripture emphasizes direct communication with God. For instance, 1 Timothy 2:5 declares, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.” This verse establishes Christ as the sole mediator, leaving no room for others to act as intermediaries.
Jews historically equated prayer with worship, as both were directed exclusively to God, reflecting their monotheistic belief that only God is worthy of such acts of devotion (e.g., Exodus 20:3-5; Deuteronomy 6:13-14). Furthermore, Exodus 20:4-5 explicitly forbids the making of images and bowing to them: “You shall not make for yourself a carved image... You shall not bow down to them or serve them.” The acts of bowing or praying before statues, even if well-intentioned, mirror practices explicitly prohibited in the Old Testament. The story of Daniel and his friends (Daniel 3) illustrates this principle, as they refused to bow to the golden image, demonstrating the Jewish understanding that such acts are inherently idolatrous.
Angels, who hold significant roles in God’s plan, consistently reject worship. In Revelation 19:10 and 22:9, the angel rebukes John for bowing, saying, “Worship God!” This highlights a consistent biblical theme: worship and prayer belong solely to God. The apostles, as Jews, were deeply rooted in this monotheistic tradition. Jewish law, informed by texts like Deuteronomy 4:15-19, strictly prohibits making images of anything in heaven, on earth, or in the waters below and bowing to them. This cultural and religious framework would have shaped the apostles’ understanding of worship and prayer.
In the New Testament, the apostles modeled prayer that was always directed to God, through Christ. For example, in Acts 4:24-31, the early church prayed directly to God in times of need. Nowhere do we find examples of the apostles teaching or practicing intercessory prayer to saints or Mary. Their Jewish worldview, combined with Christ’s explicit role as mediator, would have made such practices unthinkable.
The doctrine of intercession by saints and Mary emerged gradually and was influenced by cultural and philosophical shifts rather than apostolic teaching. The earliest Christian writings, such as those of Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch, focus exclusively on Christ as the mediator and advocate. For instance, Clement writes in his first epistle to the Corinthians, "Let us fix our eyes on the blood of Christ and understand how precious it is to His Father" (1 Clement 7). There is no mention of intercession by saints or Mary in these texts. The practice of praying to saints became more prominent in the late second and third centuries, likely influenced by Greco-Roman concepts of patronage and intermediaries. Inscriptions like Ora pro nobis (“pray for us”) found in the catacombs reflect early Christian piety but do not provide doctrinal support. These requests for prayer were addressed to fellow Christians, living or deceased, and do not equate to the formalized system of intercession seen in later Catholicism.
The argument for intercession often relies on analogies, such as comparing heavenly governance to earthly kingdoms. These analogies, while compelling on the surface, fail under scrutiny. For example, Romans 8:17 describes believers as "co-heirs with Christ," emphasizing direct access to God through Jesus. This negates the need for intermediaries like Mary or saints. Additionally, if angels-beings higher than humans-consistently reject worship, how can saints accept prayers directed to them? This inconsistency weakens the argument. Moreover, the claim that "Jesus instituted this system" assumes its conclusion without evidence, as the Bible does not describe such a system.
Jewish tradition views intercessory prayer to beings other than God as idolatrous. The prophets repeatedly warned Israel against blending true worship with pagan practices. Jeremiah 10:1-5, for example, cautions against adopting customs involving crafted images. Similarly, the apostles, deeply rooted in this tradition, would reject practices resembling idolatry. Their writings emphasize direct prayer to God through Christ, as seen in Hebrews 4:16: “Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence.”
Basing an entire system of worship on weak logic, misapplied Scripture, and dubious historical interpretations is not only unwise but spiritually dangerous. Jesus warns against “teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7). Adding to God’s instructions risks distorting true worship and could lead to eternal consequences, as emphasized in Revelation 21:8, where idolatry is condemned.
To those considering practices like praying to saints or Mary, consider instead turning directly to God in prayer. Scripture assures us that Christ is sufficient as our mediator and advocate. For those exploring Catholic doctrines, pray sincerely: “Lord, reveal Your truth to me through Your Word. Lead me to worship You in spirit and truth, and help me discern Your will.” The stakes are too high to rely on traditions not grounded in the clear teachings of Scripture. Let us honor God by adhering to His Word and the example of Christ and the apostles.
Dr. David Anders, a former Calvinist who pursued his PhD over a decade for the purpose of disproving the Catholic Faith-and ended up Catholic-explains the crux of this issue this way:
“[Orestes] Brownson [19th century American Catholic convert] makes a brilliant observation. He says the reason that protestants rejeyct devotion to saints is because they have rejected the notion of sacrifice, and so they don’t know the difference between worship and veneration. Worship, the honor due to Almighty God, is sacrifice. St. Paul says, ‘offer your bodies as living sacrifices. This is your spiritual act of worship.’ The centerpiece of Catholic worship is the Holy Sacrifice of the mass, the offering of the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus to God the Father in reparation for the sins of the world. That’s worship. To salute the flag is just veneration. But protestants threw out the idea of sacrificial worship. They threw out the sacrifice of the mass. And so for them there is no distinction between an act of worship and an act of veneration…If you look at the canon of the mass-this is the prayer in which the priest consecrates the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist-the saints come alongside us as partners in this sublime act of worship offering this one sacrifice. The whole Church in heaven and on earth offering Jesus to God the Father. The saints don’t appear in the mass as recipients of veneration or worship, but as participants in that…”
“Catholic devotion to Saints, not just to Our Lady, but to the Saints and to their relics, was to me the most manifest absurdity. It was the most rank superstition that could serve no purpose, and I was certain that Catholics had brought this into the practice of the Christian Faith from their pagan origins. And that critique is articulated by Calvin, the man that I studied. He wrote a diatribe against relics that was just a parody and a satire of all the most superstitious kind of medieval practices that he could possibly lampoon. So that was my mindset.
But in my dissertation work, I was really studying Calvin’s critique of late medieval Catholicism, and it forced me to dig deeper into the history of these Catholic devotions and spiritual practices. And as I read more deeply, especially in the ancient Church, one of the things that struck me was that you could not find a layer of Christian practice in which there was no devotion to the Saints. It didn’t matter if you were looking at popular spirituality, or the most elite and refined theologians, it didn’t matter if you looked in the east or the west, the north or the south, Latin, Greek, Syriac, Coptic, wherever you went throughout the world, you found this practice. There’s a passage in St. Jerome’s letter against Vigilantius, when he says-Jerome of course is a 4th century doctor of the Church-he says, “Does the Bishop of Rome do wrong? Does he do wrong when he offers the Holy Sacrifice (he’s talking about the mass) over the bones of the martyrs Peter and Paul, and not the Bishop of Rome only, but all the bishops throughout the world?” [St. Jerome, Against Vigilantius (§8)] That’s what we call catholicity, the universality of the practice. And I realized studying that if I wish to claim any continuity with the ancient Church, I may not reject devotion to the Saints and their relics.
So this is the practice. How then can I make sense of it? Is there a theology that makes sense of this? And of course there is. The doctrine of the communion of Saints, that we really are Christ in a mystical sense, we are His body. St. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5 that we have become God’s co-laborers as if Christ was making His appeal through us. We become members of Christ’s body, the Church. He He who beholds the Church beholds Christ! That’s what St. Gregory of Nyssa says. And we see [it] manifest in Scripture that Jesus chooses to manifest His grace to the world through these broken material instruments…And I began to see, yes, if I regard these not as pagan gods, as objects to be worshipped, but as instruments of grace, participating in that work of redemption as members of Christ’s body, the Church, all of a sudden my moral imagination, my universe of friendship has opened up. It’s not merely the Church on earth with which I’m in fellowship. It’s the Church triumphant in heaven, that great cloud of witnesses that Hebrews talks about, or Revelation 5, those twenty-four elders offering up the prayers of the Church on earth before the throne of God as incense. And suddenly it became a beautiful picture of a deeper communion with Jesus, and I said, “it’s biblical, it’s historical, it’s also rational, and it’s edifying. I can accept that.” And once I was able to wrap my head around the communion of saints, putting Our Lady into that picture, I already had a conceptual in which She made sense. And Her eminent sanctity as the one “full of grace,” the Theotokos, the Mother of God, made Her elevation above that company of saints quite reasonable to me…”
@@ragnardanneskajold1880 Dr. David Anders overlooks that the Protestant Reformers were devout Catholics who sought to reform the Church based on their firsthand observations of veneration practices. Far from misunderstanding Catholic theology, the Reformers were deeply informed by church history and saw how these practices often blurred into worship among clergy and laity. Their critiques mirrored those of earlier figures like Tertullian, Origen, Athenagoros of Athens, Eusebuis, and Vigilantius, demonstrating their reliance on historical precedent rather than ignorance.
One of the most glaring omissions in Anders’ argument is the silence of the apostles and the New Testament on veneration. The New Testament consistently models prayer directed to God through Christ alone, as seen in Acts 4:24-31, where the early Church prays during persecution. This pattern reflects the Jewish monotheistic tradition, leaving no room for intermediaries other than Christ. The foundational teaching of 1 Timothy 2:5 underscores this: “There is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.” Nowhere in apostolic writings do we see instructions to pray to or venerate saints, which strongly suggests these practices were not part of early Christian worship.
Dr. Anders also appeals to Revelation 5:8, where the twenty-four elders hold golden bowls of incense described as “the prayers of God’s people.” He interprets this as evidence for saintly intercession. However, this passage does not state that these prayers were directed to the elders. Instead, the prayers are clearly the people’s prayers to God, presented in worship before the Lamb. The elders’ role in holding the bowls is symbolic, not prescriptive, and the text offers no support for the idea that saints serve as intermediaries or that prayers should be directed to them. Revelation 5 reinforces the biblical model of prayer as an act directed to God and mediated solely by Christ.
The Catholic argument for veneration often invokes the doctrine of the communion of saints, presenting saints as intercessors within the body of Christ. Yet this argument introduces an inconsistency. All believers, whether in heaven or on earth, are members of Christ’s body (1 Corinthians 12:12-27). If veneration is a valid expression of this communion, why is it not extended to living Christians? Scripture provides no support for venerating one another within the Church, further highlighting that veneration of saints is a later development, not an apostolic practice.
The dangers of veneration are also evident in biblical warnings against acts resembling worship. Peter rebukes Cornelius for bowing to him in Acts 10:25-26, saying, “I too am a man.” Similarly, angels twice rebuke John in Revelation 19:10 and 22:9 when he bows before them, redirecting him to “worship God.” These examples underscore that even acts intended as reverence, such as bowing, carry an inherent risk of being misconstrued as worship. The *Book of Enoch*, part of the Ethiopian Orthodox canon, provides a striking parallel. In 1 Enoch 21:1-6, it describes a place of torment for those who bow to created beings, stating, “The spirits of those who bow to them and their works are bound here for eternity.” Such warnings reflect a consistent biblical and extrabiblical emphasis on avoiding acts that might compromise the worship of God alone.
Anders’ appeal to St. Jerome’s defense of veneration against Vigilantius also highlights the contested nature of these practices in early Christianity. Vigilantius denounced veneration as superstitious and unbiblical, critiquing it in ways strikingly similar to the Protestant Reformers centuries later. Like the Reformers, Vigilantius argued that these practices risked idolatry and deviated from the biblical model of worship. The existence of this debate demonstrates that veneration was not universally accepted, even within the early Church. Tertullian, another early voice, expressed concerns about idolatry in On Idolatry: “We do not bring Him sacrifices or offerings or worship in temples but direct prayers and supplications to Him.” Similarly, Origen emphasized the directness of prayer in On Prayer: “We may not pray to any originated being, not even to Christ Himself, but only to the God and Father of all.” These statements reveal an early Christian emphasis on direct worship of God that leaves no room for saintly intercession or veneration.
Furthermore, the historical development of saint veneration complicates Anders’ defense. While he emphasizes its universality in later Christian traditions, this practice appears to have emerged gradually under the influence of Greco-Roman cultural norms, particularly the system of patronage, where intermediaries acted on behalf of individuals. Athenagoras of Athens, in his Plea for the Christians, distances Christian worship from such practices: “We recognize one God... not subject to suffering and change... We direct prayers and supplications to Him.” These early theological frameworks challenge the notion that saint veneration has apostolic roots. Early Christian writers like Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch, who focused exclusively on Christ as mediator, offer no evidence for veneration, reinforcing the conclusion that it was a later development, not an apostolic practice.
I had a vision of Mother Mary once in a forest here in Scotland. She spoke to me so I know for sure it was her. She said:
"I AM THE IMMACULATE DECEPTION"
That wasn’t Mary, bro
@@CameronRiecker St.Mary a bridge to me to let The Lord Jesus then visited me.
Its a dreamts but became real.
I got many visuals through the dreams.
Are you mocking the mother of the Lord?
Ooooops !!!! A slip of the tongue. I should have said IMMACULATE CONCEPTION@@David77757
Ooooops .... I meant to say "I AM THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION" .... NOT .... "I AM THE IMMACULATE DECEPTION". A slip of the tongue. Trying to mock Mary would be like trying to mock Zeus or Wotan or Thor. Why would I want to mock a figure in mythology ???? It would be pointless.
What are you saying heaven hasnt been opened didnt jesus told that one man in the cross that He will be in heaven on the same day they are crucified and didnt jesus told the man that couldnt walk that he will jump like a deer. You are the First HUMAN ever that I hear saying heaven is Not Open. What happenes to people when they die? Obviosly they go straight into heaven
NO MARY, NO JESUS; KNOW MARY, KNOW JESUS:
How can any so-called Christian doubt the sanctity of the Blessed Virgin Mary when she is more child to the Father, more Mother to the Son, and more spouse to the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:35) than any other human being⁉ In Luke 1:35 it says:
And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
This verse reveals the Blessed Virgin Mary is daughter to God the Father, mother to the Son, and spouse to the Holy Ghost.
Using the Bible alone yet you never used the Bible. You made excuses to pray to her. Show me ONE PERSON in the Bible the came to Jesus in prayer through Mary? Scripture and verse.
You're committing the logical fallacy of an argument from silence...this is the same tactic Muslims use against Christianity. He did use scripture, just have to pay attention. Ephesians 6:17-18 says that we can venerate and ask for intercession of the saints. John 17:22 proves asking for intercession and veneration is not idolatry. This is backed up by Job 5:1, Revelation 4:10, 5:8, 5:5, 6:9-11, 7:13-17, 8:3-4, Jeremiah 15:1, Hebrews 12:1, Mark 9:4, Mark 12:27, John 8:50-57 and many more. Interesting that you're handle name is Sirach which is one of the 7 Deuterocananical books from the Bible removed by Protestants. What is the Biblical justification for removing 7 books from the Bible and doctoring verses like Romans 3:28 by writing in the word 'alone' (some translations say 'without') as Luther did? Where are is Sola Scriptura named in the Bible? Chapter and verse.
Wake up people!
Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This proves that nobody is in heaven yet and are all asleep. How do raise up people that are in heaven? And better question is if all souls are waiting to be raised except christ then who are you people hearing from when praying to anyone except God as Jesus taught? Demons!!!!
9:46 saints have power? No scripture ever tells you the the saints who are living or dead and alive in the heavenly realm have any powers that God has.
9:49 This is false belief with no foundation in scripture! Mary conceived without sin? Romans 3:23 states otherwise and just how does Mary's mother conceive a child that would be without sin ? Sorry but you have believed a lie and are now teaching others this lie.
Mary was born in the bloodline of Adam as all mankind is . Therefore she had inherited a sin nature, which is spiritual not physical ,and when Mary had Jesus in her womb for 9 months there was no transference of spiritual as Jesus did not have a human father.
So a good lack of scripture to prove praying to someone other than God for anything! Lets see 73 books in the bible and not one of those books ever points out that anyone would pray to someone other than God , but with your interpretation of us becoming God That is in the CCC not the bible , you come out with prayers to a mortal to do what only God can do? You then end it with the rosary as if that is what a believer is to do ? Pray to a mortal half a prayer that is found in Luke 1: and the other half with pagan influence as Luke 16: 22 points out angels will take us to heaven ,not the Lord's mother . 73 books of the bible as Romans 15:4 tells us is an example of what we are to believe and not one verse ever telling you to pray to someone, regardless of rank , other than God Heb 4:15,16
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 would you like all the scriptures where intercession is biblical? Starting with the affirmation of Jesus Himself in Luke 5:20m
Let's see: " Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” So Eli′phaz the Te′manite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Na′amathite went and did what the Lord had told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.
And the Lord restored the fortunes of Job, when he had prayed for his friends; and the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before."
Imagine that.
@brucewmclaughlin9072 would you like all the references for intercession?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 or perhaps read Luke 5:20.
@brucewmclaughlin9072 if the.bible says "all " have sinned, you HAVE to include Jesus there. After all "all."
Lilith worship
I never get angry at people such as you anymore. I am sorry that you are missing so much. More than you are apparently willing to discover.
Jesus taught that only he was the way, the truth, and the Life, and that no one can go before The Father except through Him. To say you can pray to someone else to get your message to God, is that not by definition a blatant disregard for the teachings of Christ?
Jesus himself tells the story about asking Abraham for intercession.
God makes us dependent upon each other from before birth to our death. It is God’s will and God’s plan. And, though we are all dependent upon each other, God is still and always God, and there is no other. We need to be sure to not allow the world to separate us from the graces of God: Mary, the Saints, the Eucharist, Confession, the Holy Mass, Confirmation, Baptism, Holy Orders, Last Rites, His Church, our prayers, and the prayers of others for us! Look at how many want to use smoke and mirrors, hand waving the sensationalism of “the rapture” and the false notion that you know that you are already saved no matter what you do. If you do not eat His body and drink His blood, you have no life within you!
@felesamabilis yes, during the old covenant. We are in the new covenant, which means Jesus is the only way. Do you still pray to Abraham?
@@luxordfaith8506 I pray to God. I ask saints for intercession, as Paul writes
@felesamabilis when you say "Intercession," are you saying that the saints are having to take your prayer to God, that you are not able to pray directly? Or are you simply saying that you are asking the Saint to pray to God for you, in addition to your own prayer to God?
And he said to them "when you pray, say "our Father in heaven..." He didn't say, this lady is my mother, after she's dead pray to her. Jesus himself told us the way we should pray, so why are you making a youtube video telling people to pray a different way?
You are a false teacher. The Bible clearly teaches that believers should seek guidance from God and his spirit only. Talking to and praying to the dead is a serious sin. If you think you need to talk to anyone but the trinity and intercede with the dead then you have a very weak faith to begin with.
Way to misquote Rev 3:21 and Luke "22" you're not even close.
@@johnalexis8284 quote ot correctly then
The Title.
Why do Catholics Pray to Mary Instead of God.
We can pray to both.