Been there nd done that, owned a ton of classic synths and sold them all a few years ago. They break down often, parts are hard to find (sometimes obsolete and no chance), and servicing them is a PITA because it costs, you have to deliver yourself or else they may get damaged by courier services. Another reason for me selling the classics came down to the music 'business' no longer paying decent money, less than a penny per stream on Spotify, I wouldn't get out of bed for that. The internet has destroyed the music business, piracy is so easy now, and without any deterrent for those not willing to buy something that gives them so much enjoyment. It is good to see that finally, pure greed is being stamped out by the falling prices for 'vintage' machines that are aging every hour that passes, bringing with that problems in the future that may not be resolved, then you are stuck with scrap.
Ok, I´m just a hobbyist but attracted by synths since 1978 when I bought a Korg MS10 (and an insane Hohner Favor Combo "organ"). Later on there was a little(!) collection of used synths until I bought a new Roland JP8000 for over DM 3.500 (!). Then I stopped my musical "ambitions" and sold all my synths at a ridiculous low prize (the best offer for the JP8000 in mint shape was € 600). In 2020, after trying some VSTs (no pleasure), I´ve started with synths again ... with Behringer. Why? They sounded good, the prize-value-relationship was Ok for me and when selling it might be just a loss of maybe € 50 (and not a loss like the JP8000 sale). In the meanwhile there´s no more Behringer synth in my setup but they were the starting point. Today there are a lot of interesting and wonderful synths available and a 2nd market where you can save a lot of money. I know, there is a "vintage hype" but if you are not able to fix any issues by yourself, a vintage instrument might be like a vintage car. You might spend a lot of money servicing these instruments (not everybody has the talent of "Scott´s Synth Stuff" who presents excellent servicing videos). Therefore I agree (in parts) to Espen Kraft or Jeffrey Petro and I agree that some companies try to get the highest prizes on the market (in the automotive industry ... I know very well ... they do ... that´s economy). Nevertheless, I´m just a hobbyist (as mentioned before) and I enjoy my synths (maybe not the "flagship" synths of a certain brand) and I enjoy making music for my own pleasure.
I appreciate your point of view and it is all valid. Like I said, there is a crowd for vsts, a crowd for remakes, and a crowd for the expensive vintages. To each their own. All I was trying to say is that original classic synths are great for some people and for those who can afford to maintain or fix it themselves. There has been a lot of classic synth bashing going on lately on TH-cam by soft-synth fans. I was just defending reasons why I believe hardware synths are best for me and many others. I personally think that a lot of sellers are pricing based on hype, but as I also said, if no one buys them, they will drop the price or they won't sell it. Thank you for watching and commenting. Tschüss!
@@JasonMysteria Just re-listened to Tyranny For You recently. And it’s so wild what they did creatively with such a modest digital synth. (Owned a VFX for years, it takes a real artist to do what they did with it.)
@@frankcastle2876I can't tell if you're being real or sarcastic, but even the engineers of DM12 admit that if you're after the Juno 106 sound, their product isn't going to match it. Even still, I don't care if people use vsts. More vintage for me. I'm just saying that the classic analog synth market isn't tanking in my response to another video. To each his own. Thanks for watching!
The classic synth market is fine. How could it tank? Its like saying the classic car market has tanked. Its utter rubbish and a narrative he is pushing for a reason.
I totally agree , more and more videos saying that a berhimger is better than an OBX-A, or 808 ; or even reissue by Obeheim ( OBX8 ) . Espen pushed the guy ( who is a very famous sound designer for all big companies) from inhalt to make a response also . I see SO MANY videos on u tube about synth from 70 to early 2000s full of bullshits . The problem with u tube , 90 percents of channels are totally incompetent idiots. Watch Anthony Marinelli channel and channel like this ONLY . The rest is BULLSHITS
@@philippezsiga1125 Espen was cool at first, but like all TH-cam content creators or "influencers", he has become corporate and every video either has an agenda, a sponsor, or is designed to get a debate or conversation going to increase clicks and views.
Why do people get so mad about this stuff? If people want to spend money to own the real thing, that’s fine. It doesn’t harm anyone else. Weird that people get all aggressive like ‘if you don’t agree with me that software and/or Beh clone sounds identical to your hardware Prophet/Oberheim/Moog you’re wrong and a terrible person!’ People need to chill.
You really didn't understand the video, did you? Tell that to the tens or hundreds of thousands of synthusiasts who are always buying, using, recording, and owning classic analogs and digitals. As far as computer mouse-operated soft-synths "getting better"..well, by technical standards of improvements, today's automobiles are better. That will never keep those who like classic vehicles from owning, collecting, driving, and dealing. By all means, keep doing your video game style music production. Peace.
@@nel766 You still don't get it. Did you even watch the video? I knocked outrageous prices and said that either people will buy or the seller will not sell. Once again, making "better music" isn't the only factor in getting classic analogs or using vsts. However, now that you mention it, yes, better music was made on the original synths. Everything you mention is addressed in the video. Did you just read the title and decide to comment at 0:01 or something?
@@nel766 "OMG" all you want. You have to be some kind of young person or a Marxist or something strange. It's what's called in the business world "setting the market". If no one buys at whatever price, either the price drops or the seller has to bite it and hold on to it. I'm all for debates, but you're being ridiculous. This is my last response to you. EDIT: Actually, I'd love to see your catalogue of music releases utilizing your drag and drop pre-made 3rd party downloaded samples on a grid and sterile method of production, I mean programming. Drive your point home.
Wait a minute, you begin by saying how much better it is to use the real Pro-One then 4 minutes later say you sold the real Pro-One and kept the Behringer. It kinda ruins your point.
No, it doesn't. You may know for a fact within yourself that the name brand $6 box of cereal tastes better and has healthier ingredients vs the $2 generic brand. Just because at a point in time you decide to buy the $2 box and pass on the $6 one, doesn't automatically negate those differences. They're still there. WHAT IF I have recorded countless songs and albums with the SQ Pro One pretty much exhausting its sound?WHAT IF it was starting to go functionally or cosmetically, so I sold it temporarily to start a fund to get a better one from Reverb that costs more than twice what I sold it for? WHAT IF my SQ was one of the best conditioned ones in the world and someone offered me way more than what it was worth and I couldn't pass it up? WHAT IF I got the Behringer because it was given to me as a side deal in a bigger trade and I'd rather keep it than sell it for near nothing like everyone else has it listed for? My point stands. They are different and especially could be to a particular user. The fact that I still own close to 20 hardware vintage synths (after selling many of them) and only own 1 Behringer knockoff, and 0 soft synths is pretty good proof of my point in this video. Actually, I could have 0 vintage synths and use only vsts and the video point could still stand for many other people out there. If I were most people, I would have been deceptive and wouldn't have mentioned the sale of the SQ nor admitted my ownership of the Behringer.
Also the jeffrey videos are weird, always complaining about something and incoherent;””” i love the Memorymoog i had but it s a hassle to service ; i love the juno 106 but it s too expensive , too simple “””” gna gna gba gba gba gni bla bla bla and the list goes forever . His videos are an endless list of bullshits ; i asked u tube not show me his channel again ; he doesn’t know what he is talking abou
@@philippezsiga1125 I have only seen a couple of Jeffrey's videos, so I don't know his entire M.O. I can't judge what he knows or doesn't know. However, it seems that he's the standard TH-cam content creator that plays by the template to increase his channel. Just business for them, I suppose. Thank you for watching!
Been there nd done that, owned a ton of classic synths and sold them all a few years ago. They break down often, parts are hard to find (sometimes obsolete and no chance), and servicing them is a PITA because it costs, you have to deliver yourself or else they may get damaged by courier services. Another reason for me selling the classics came down to the music 'business' no longer paying decent money, less than a penny per stream on Spotify, I wouldn't get out of bed for that. The internet has destroyed the music business, piracy is so easy now, and without any deterrent for those not willing to buy something that gives them so much enjoyment. It is good to see that finally, pure greed is being stamped out by the falling prices for 'vintage' machines that are aging every hour that passes, bringing with that problems in the future that may not be resolved, then you are stuck with scrap.
Ok, I´m just a hobbyist but attracted by synths since 1978 when I bought a Korg MS10 (and an insane Hohner Favor Combo "organ"). Later on there was a little(!) collection of used synths until I bought a new Roland JP8000 for over DM 3.500 (!). Then I stopped my musical "ambitions" and sold all my synths at a ridiculous low prize (the best offer for the JP8000 in mint shape was € 600).
In 2020, after trying some VSTs (no pleasure), I´ve started with synths again ... with Behringer. Why? They sounded good, the prize-value-relationship was Ok for me and when selling it might be just a loss of maybe € 50 (and not a loss like the JP8000 sale).
In the meanwhile there´s no more Behringer synth in my setup but they were the starting point. Today there are a lot of interesting and wonderful synths available and a 2nd market where you can save a lot of money. I know, there is a "vintage hype" but if you are not able to fix any issues by yourself, a vintage instrument might be like a vintage car. You might spend a lot of money servicing these instruments (not everybody has the talent of "Scott´s Synth Stuff" who presents excellent servicing videos).
Therefore I agree (in parts) to Espen Kraft or Jeffrey Petro and I agree that some companies try to get the highest prizes on the market (in the automotive industry ... I know very well ... they do ... that´s economy).
Nevertheless, I´m just a hobbyist (as mentioned before) and I enjoy my synths (maybe not the "flagship" synths of a certain brand) and I enjoy making music for my own pleasure.
I appreciate your point of view and it is all valid. Like I said, there is a crowd for vsts, a crowd for remakes, and a crowd for the expensive vintages. To each their own. All I was trying to say is that original classic synths are great for some people and for those who can afford to maintain or fix it themselves. There has been a lot of classic synth bashing going on lately on TH-cam by soft-synth fans. I was just defending reasons why I believe hardware synths are best for me and many others. I personally think that a lot of sellers are pricing based on hype, but as I also said, if no one buys them, they will drop the price or they won't sell it. Thank you for watching and commenting. Tschüss!
@@JasonMysteria Thank you and yes ... the haptical feeling of hardware is just wonderful 🎹
I like interesting little video comments like this and I applaud your fine collection of vintage synths!
@@kcrosley Thanks a lot! I appreciate that.
Front 242 rocks.
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@@JasonMysteria Just re-listened to Tyranny For You recently. And it’s so wild what they did creatively with such a modest digital synth. (Owned a VFX for years, it takes a real artist to do what they did with it.)
Nice gear nice t shirt. I think i m gonna need to hear your music, no matter what opinion on what 😎
@@klinkske Cool! Yeah, check my Playlists for "Jason Mysteria" and " Magnificent Lie". Thanks for watching!
Love my 106 so much, I bought two more Deepminds. Great time to be alive for synthesizers.
@@frankcastle2876I can't tell if you're being real or sarcastic, but even the engineers of DM12 admit that if you're after the Juno 106 sound, their product isn't going to match it. Even still, I don't care if people use vsts. More vintage for me. I'm just saying that the classic analog synth market isn't tanking in my response to another video. To each his own. Thanks for watching!
Who needs tube money with a nice fireplace like this.
@@oupahens9219 I'm rolling in it deep! 😂💰
@@JasonMysteria Obviously.
The classic synth market is fine. How could it tank? Its like saying the classic car market has tanked. Its utter rubbish and a narrative he is pushing for a reason.
Yep. It's not just him. It seems to be a whole slew of TH-camrs doing it. Kind of like what the media does when they create chaos for business.
I totally agree , more and more videos saying that a berhimger is better than an OBX-A, or 808 ; or even reissue by Obeheim ( OBX8 ) . Espen pushed the guy ( who is a very famous sound designer for all big companies) from inhalt to make a response also .
I see SO MANY videos on u tube about synth from 70 to early 2000s full of bullshits . The problem with u tube , 90 percents of channels are totally incompetent idiots. Watch Anthony Marinelli channel and channel like this ONLY . The rest is BULLSHITS
@@philippezsiga1125 Espen was cool at first, but like all TH-cam content creators or "influencers", he has become corporate and every video either has an agenda, a sponsor, or is designed to get a debate or conversation going to increase clicks and views.
Why do people get so mad about this stuff? If people want to spend money to own the real thing, that’s fine. It doesn’t harm anyone else. Weird that people get all aggressive like ‘if you don’t agree with me that software and/or Beh clone sounds identical to your hardware Prophet/Oberheim/Moog you’re wrong and a terrible person!’ People need to chill.
it's a buyers market, soft synths are so good these days "and getting better" nobody needs to waist money on old unuseable crap.
You really didn't understand the video, did you? Tell that to the tens or hundreds of thousands of synthusiasts who are always buying, using, recording, and owning classic analogs and digitals. As far as computer mouse-operated soft-synths "getting better"..well, by technical standards of improvements, today's automobiles are better. That will never keep those who like classic vehicles from owning, collecting, driving, and dealing. By all means, keep doing your video game style music production. Peace.
@@JasonMysteria yeh your right a 10 thousand dollar tr 909 makes better music!.
@@nel766 You still don't get it. Did you even watch the video? I knocked outrageous prices and said that either people will buy or the seller will not sell. Once again, making "better music" isn't the only factor in getting classic analogs or using vsts. However, now that you mention it, yes, better music was made on the original synths. Everything you mention is addressed in the video. Did you just read the title and decide to comment at 0:01 or something?
@@JasonMysteria either people will buy or the seller will not sell, "OMG"!..
@@nel766 "OMG" all you want. You have to be some kind of young person or a Marxist or something strange. It's what's called in the business world "setting the market". If no one buys at whatever price, either the price drops or the seller has to bite it and hold on to it. I'm all for debates, but you're being ridiculous. This is my last response to you. EDIT: Actually, I'd love to see your catalogue of music releases utilizing your drag and drop pre-made 3rd party downloaded samples on a grid and sterile method of production, I mean programming. Drive your point home.
Wait a minute, you begin by saying how much better it is to use the real Pro-One then 4 minutes later say you sold the real Pro-One and kept the Behringer. It kinda ruins your point.
No, it doesn't. You may know for a fact within yourself that the name brand $6 box of cereal tastes better and has healthier ingredients vs the $2 generic brand. Just because at a point in time you decide to buy the $2 box and pass on the $6 one, doesn't automatically negate those differences. They're still there. WHAT IF I have recorded countless songs and albums with the SQ Pro One pretty much exhausting its sound?WHAT IF it was starting to go functionally or cosmetically, so I sold it temporarily to start a fund to get a better one from Reverb that costs more than twice what I sold it for? WHAT IF my SQ was one of the best conditioned ones in the world and someone offered me way more than what it was worth and I couldn't pass it up? WHAT IF I got the Behringer because it was given to me as a side deal in a bigger trade and I'd rather keep it than sell it for near nothing like everyone else has it listed for? My point stands. They are different and especially could be to a particular user. The fact that I still own close to 20 hardware vintage synths (after selling many of them) and only own 1 Behringer knockoff, and 0 soft synths is pretty good proof of my point in this video. Actually, I could have 0 vintage synths and use only vsts and the video point could still stand for many other people out there. If I were most people, I would have been deceptive and wouldn't have mentioned the sale of the SQ nor admitted my ownership of the Behringer.
Also the jeffrey videos are weird, always complaining about something and incoherent;””” i love the Memorymoog i had but it s a hassle to service ; i love the juno 106 but it s too expensive , too simple “””” gna gna gba gba gba gni bla bla bla and the list goes forever . His videos are an endless list of bullshits ; i asked u tube not show me his channel again ; he doesn’t know what he is talking abou
@@philippezsiga1125 I have only seen a couple of Jeffrey's videos, so I don't know his entire M.O. I can't judge what he knows or doesn't know. However, it seems that he's the standard TH-cam content creator that plays by the template to increase his channel. Just business for them, I suppose. Thank you for watching!