BF is so much easier! It's not even close! To write a malbolge program you literally have to solve a cryptographic puzzle. The only reason it's feasible at all to write programs other than through brute force is because someone discovered an exploit in the crypto scheme. It took 7 years before the first person managed to write a functioning "99-bottles of beer" program.
"I would rather write binary" ... remembering 1978, when I coded 8080 assembly language & hand-translated it into binary (well, hexadecimal but it's 95% as brutal) to burn onto UV-PROMs, 'cause the ISC micros my business partner got from Georgia didn't have any assembler yet.
Honestly you have to respect someone who makes a programming language that's so actively hostile to the user. Though I'd imagine trying to read the code is every bit as bad as writing it. Technically that could be considered a use case, but the fact that you'd have to write a program worthy of hiding in malboge its really not worth it.
a little note: the first program written in malbolge was actually created by an algorithm, not even by a person! that's how hard it is to use this unholy abomination
You seem to be from the future, I am doing computer science third semester but never heard of tech and stuff you talk about. You know I read more the topic you discuss. Your are truly an engineer, because your thoughts are different than ones out there in TH-cam.
There is also a language that works with whitespaces like bro immagine making a misktake and searching it it would be so hard bc you need to select it to see it bc otherwose it is invisible.
Fun fact, according to Wikipedia, that "first program written" was built by an algorithm. The official version is also not Turing-Complete due to memory limits, but there are extended/modified versions which are supposed to be
@@ImXyper i literally exist, i found this job in my small home town. id post my linkedin but thats too much info flying around on the internet for a high value person like me. if you dont believe me you can ask my dad
Malbolge always feels easy compared to orionDS. Lines are limited equal to punch card. Each line must define return from previous line. Prebuilt and defined functions are written in Unicode symbols. Strings must be written in OrionSE and use each call’s dynamic encryption key, limiting it 30 total calls before redefining except the encryption key used to read values is blocked from being used in definition. Finally it requires compilation at which point everything gets reduced to 50 lines of limited orionRT code which has to be run in an OrionEnv where all the keys are changed and locked and the code is reorganised at runtime based on the priority numbers given to each part. Also there’s no documentation, interestingly it’s hard to even find anything about it. I’m unaware of even a public “hello world” demo. Found my copy of the ide on a floppy disc with 3 page get started guide. Best I can tell it was originally used in the early 2000s for the military with tools that I think were meant for weapon deployment or maybe detonation but I can’t tell.
@@izacaqsha3480 i had a story on a guy doing this, they raised his salary 3 times. Used to get 3k usd monthly but then ended getting 10k a month, Eventually fired him because he got stuck not able to implement authorization to the system, ut was the jungle
@@captainjy8440 Yes you define a grammar in something like a Backus-Naur-Form, then write a compiler or interpreter. If you are fine with a very very small scope or a esoteric language I can write one into this comment. Lets go ahead and invent "Length" programming language. Every line is one assembler command, depending on the length of the line you get a different assembler operation. Every line starting with [ and ending in ] is a variable. So the line "abc" is equal to "xxx" and is interpreted as the third assembler option depending on the CPU. isVariable = false; foreach line from code{ x = length(x); if(line[0] == '[' && line [-1] == ']'){ isVariable = true; } compile(x,isVariable); } You get the gist. Inventing Java or C++ takes ages of hundreds or thousands of coders.
I don't know, these languages that are designed to be difficult but not solve a problem are just academic I feel like knitpaint is a better example of a difficult but useful language
So here is a question ... Wait for it .. can we teach an AI to use Mabolge maybe using deep learning ? The AI will write a program and run it . As for why to do so , maybe for some sort of cyber security perpose like a virus that will take the anitivirus companies a year to handle. Just a thought
Very very unlikely. First mabolge is not Turing complete, so you are very limited in the programs you could write. Second the vast space of possibilities that needs to be compressed is not feasible. The thing with mabolge, if you do a thing twice after another, the result won't be the same. Third, there is no training data available at all.
A was expecting something corny and predictable like "The hardest programming language is the first one you learn", found out about something super interesting instead. Cool video.
I learned a little bit of Microsoft basic from the 1970s and it's surprising how simple that is and it's very easy to learn however this is worse than assembly code I don't even want to learn that!
The hello world script in malbolge wasn’t even found by a human It was found by ai Also there’s a so lang called chicken, and the only valid word is chicken
"My bulge is so hard"
"My bulge doesn't have any functional usecases"
Huh
Good one
😳
😂
💀
I would rather write in binary is when you tell it's hard
Yep 🤣
Well assembly isn't that bad tho
@@danielnielsen24 assembly isnt machine code
@@sql64 it's close enough lol
Writing in binary is like writing in assembly, except you are the compiler
Malbolge has self altering code, where c = c + c + (c % 94) don’t ask why
Wat
why
brain self-destruct in 1 second
@@nokhinsiu7210more like my brain had a stroke understanding this
BrainF*ck: *Finally a worthy opponant, our battle will be legendary*
Brainfuck is actually quite easy
BF is the one
BF is so much easier! It's not even close! To write a malbolge program you literally have to solve a cryptographic puzzle.
The only reason it's feasible at all to write programs other than through brute force is because someone discovered an exploit in the crypto scheme. It took 7 years before the first person managed to write a functioning "99-bottles of beer" program.
@@asdfghyter lol imagine fizz-buzz, or the *Ackermann* function
BF is childish near Malbolge.
I didn’t grasp it till you said you’d rather write binary, now I understand.
I keep hearing Mah Bulge is so hard 😭
"I would rather write binary"
... remembering 1978, when I coded 8080 assembly language & hand-translated it into binary (well, hexadecimal but it's 95% as brutal) to burn onto UV-PROMs, 'cause the ISC micros my business partner got from Georgia didn't have any assembler yet.
Me: you're forgetting the very first programming where it was basically paper and hole punches-
That's binary tho
this is harder tho
Honestly you have to respect someone who makes a programming language that's so actively hostile to the user.
Though I'd imagine trying to read the code is every bit as bad as writing it. Technically that could be considered a use case, but the fact that you'd have to write a program worthy of hiding in malboge its really not worth it.
You know its scary when he says he would rather write in binary.
believe me that The absurd One programming language.
It would be amazing to create hard to reverse engineer programs
Oh wow never thought about that
a little note: the first program written in malbolge was actually created by an algorithm, not even by a person! that's how hard it is to use this unholy abomination
There is an assembly language HeLL that compiles to malbolge to hopefully make it slightly easier to program in it.
You seem to be from the future, I am doing computer science third semester but never heard of tech and stuff you talk about. You know I read more the topic you discuss. Your are truly an engineer, because your thoughts are different than ones out there in TH-cam.
To be fair though, try programming in Assembler. You'll never ever think that programming in C is hard anymore
Who thinks programming in C is hard? O.o
Beginners
I love challenges
You'll have to be a cyborg to understand malborge
just wait till the programing language that is only spaces tabs and enters shows up
Isn’t that just like binary but repackaged?
I would rather write in binary, Hahahah 😂🤣
There is also a language that works with whitespaces like bro immagine making a misktake and searching it it would be so hard bc you need to select it to see it bc otherwose it is invisible.
the creator didnt even write a program in it, he made an ai in python do it for him 💀
Wait fr?
@@itsTyrion yes and no. He didn't come up with a program, but no AI ever touched this language. It was a search algorithm.
When language is lower than assembly
The Bruh sound effect is appropriate.
When someone made the first program for it, it was actually done by an algorithm by that person. So technically even they couldn't do it
Mabulge is also pretty hard...
"Malbolge is hard"
Assembly : Allow me to introduce myself
The difference is assembly does attempt to be sensical
Assembly is easier
machine code: are u sure about that
Fun fact, according to Wikipedia, that "first program written" was built by an algorithm. The official version is also not Turing-Complete due to memory limits, but there are extended/modified versions which are supposed to be
Meanwhile Brainfuck: did u forget me?
malbolge is way harder than brainfuck.
It's no programming language if it's not even practical for use. Anyone can create a more cryptic and incomprehensible language. there's no end to it.
im a professional malbolge developer earning 400k/year in banking systems. you simply have to get used to it
mhm sure bro
@@ImXyper ?
malbolge developers do not exist. the first program was made by an ai after 4 years. no way banks hire you lmaao
@@ImXyper i literally exist, i found this job in my small home town. id post my linkedin but thats too much info flying around on the internet for a high value person like me. if you dont believe me you can ask my dad
@@c0smo709 says the guy who uploads tf2 clips to his channel and titled one of them "yo sick dance moves bro"
Malbolge always feels easy compared to orionDS. Lines are limited equal to punch card. Each line must define return from previous line. Prebuilt and defined functions are written in Unicode symbols. Strings must be written in OrionSE and use each call’s dynamic encryption key, limiting it 30 total calls before redefining except the encryption key used to read values is blocked from being used in definition. Finally it requires compilation at which point everything gets reduced to 50 lines of limited orionRT code which has to be run in an OrionEnv where all the keys are changed and locked and the code is reorganised at runtime based on the priority numbers given to each part.
Also there’s no documentation, interestingly it’s hard to even find anything about it. I’m unaware of even a public “hello world” demo. Found my copy of the ide on a floppy disc with 3 page get started guide. Best I can tell it was originally used in the early 2000s for the military with tools that I think were meant for weapon deployment or maybe detonation but I can’t tell.
Have you ever heard of Whitespace? Imo that's even harder bc you can't find mistakes easily
Fun fact : The hello world program wasent even writen by a human
I love bruh sounds in your video's
Mabulge is liked by women I hear
Let's go back to MICROPROCESSOR 8080 or 8086..... 😂😂
How about 4004
To be fair, 8086 was quite easy, just tedious.
Imagine writing a big system with this, and when managemant didnt like you for being late, they cannot do shit to make and change except by you
They Will fire you and rewrite the system
@@izacaqsha3480 i had a story on a guy doing this, they raised his salary 3 times. Used to get 3k usd monthly but then ended getting 10k a month,
Eventually fired him because he got stuck not able to implement authorization to the system, ut was the jungle
@@aah134-K well, sounds bad for his carrier progress, Will be a bad remarkable history
Its probably harder than just grabbing a knife and writing the code directly to the hard drive
The dark souls of the programming world
They are probably using this to make GTA 6
Imagine the people responsible for testing it
Imagine Debugging in launguage
You know it is hard when any one says i rather write in binary
Just imagine how hard it was to make
Actually very easy. Coming up with it was some work.
So making a coding language is easy???
@@captainjy8440 In general no. Malborge yes.
@@Schnorzel1337 so you could make a new coding program today and upload it to the Wold
@@captainjy8440 Yes you define a grammar in something like a Backus-Naur-Form, then write a compiler or interpreter. If you are fine with a very very small scope or a esoteric language I can write one into this comment.
Lets go ahead and invent "Length" programming language.
Every line is one assembler command, depending on the length of the line you get a different assembler operation.
Every line starting with [ and ending in ] is a variable.
So the line "abc" is equal to "xxx" and is interpreted as the third assembler option depending on the CPU.
isVariable = false;
foreach line from code{
x = length(x);
if(line[0] == '[' && line [-1] == ']'){
isVariable = true;
}
compile(x,isVariable);
}
You get the gist.
Inventing Java or C++ takes ages of hundreds or thousands of coders.
The only thing harder than this would be writing the code on paper and then executing it by moving the logic gates manually.
Imagine learning how to use this to not have people hack your stuff
write a transcripter from python to this programming language :)
That might be impossible due to the limits of the language.
When Malbolge created C++
I'm pretty sure the hello world program was generated by ai
Omg
I'm gonna learn it
Sir,how to become a good programmer, reply me sir
the best for begineers
Good
I spent a few weeks learning brain fuck which is a pretty difficult language but not nearly as fucked as malbolge lol
Imma learn this in a day(I have like 10 other languages in front of it to learn it a day)
Finally, a worthy opponent
You can tell me about r Language
Everyone talking brainf*uck,,
Whitespace Programming Language: oh no, anyway
Chicken : ...
You sound like the dude from Silicon Valley
Which one 🧐
Brainfuck: am I a joke to you?
For a moment, I thought it was Brainf*ck
i would still use thst over javascript
Yeah, hell is accurate
What about mindf*ck language
malbolge is way harder than brainfuck. or really anything else
Your videos are addictive
If it's designed to be impossible to use, but someone wrote a program for it, then it failed it's design goal.
"wrote" is a stretch an algorithm found it.
Holy shit. This just allowed me to solve a ctf I’ve been stuck on for over a week. Your a life saver
Machine code: so cute
Well in the old day programmers could code using only 4 keys in their keyboard
Basically human readable binary.
That's right, I'd rather write down the machine code myself.
WHOA!! My guy u know to call on the tech! This looks way too complicated but interesting 😊
"i would rather write binary" 🤧💀
Assembly ? Machine learning ? Am i joke to you ?
Imagen assembly, but every instructions changes your data uncontrollably that is not even where the presented language resides.
I would rather write in Base3, then translate to Hexadecimal, and then into binary than try to use that language.
I personally love Brainfuck
"My Bulge"??🤣🤣
Jokes aside this looks terrifying
"My bulge is so hard"
I guarantee that there’s some esoteric language that’s more difficult
nope. this is the most esoteric esotic programming language there is.
Can you tell me why it's considered esoteric? Is it an old witches language or something similar? Thanks for your time.
If someone can make a converter for python or smthing to malbodge it would basically be impossible to de cypher
Reverse the converter => done
@@Schnorzel1337 there is no converter
I don't know, these languages that are designed to be difficult but not solve a problem are just academic
I feel like knitpaint is a better example of a difficult but useful language
So here is a question ... Wait for it .. can we teach an AI to use Mabolge maybe using deep learning ? The AI will write a program and run it . As for why to do so , maybe for some sort of cyber security perpose like a virus that will take the anitivirus companies a year to handle. Just a thought
Very very unlikely. First mabolge is not Turing complete, so you are very limited in the programs you could write.
Second the vast space of possibilities that needs to be compressed is not feasible. The thing with mabolge, if you do a thing twice after another, the result won't be the same.
Third, there is no training data available at all.
@@Schnorzel1337 interesting , i would not have thought its that bad . Thank you so much
malbolge is hard
The guy that wrote the programme for 2 years. Did he get paid? 😅😅
Same as other esoterick languages(esolang)
Weird question what is the minimum to be considered a program???
its easier than whitespace
A was expecting something corny and predictable like "The hardest programming language is the first one you learn", found out about something super interesting instead. Cool video.
Assembly in corner
also if it doesnt have functional usecases how tf its programming language?
Who made the programming language
Who made that language to begin with...n using what?
I learned a little bit of Microsoft basic from the 1970s and it's surprising how simple that is and it's very easy to learn however this is worse than assembly code I don't even want to learn that!
in a way this is less a language and more of a needlessly complicated way to compile down to machine code.
If its impossible to learn how the fuck it got created.
an ai made it
Coding in binary 👀
I believe you’re referring to “Java”
???
Isn't whitespace a thing?
Okay but how did they create it if it's that hard to understand 🤷 ??
an ai made it
The hello world script in malbolge wasn’t even found by a human
It was found by ai
Also there’s a so lang called chicken, and the only valid word is chicken
H.O.A.T