Steel case because it's an easy path to EMI compliance. The interference between the fan and the heatsink makes it pretty clear they know it will be run with the top off by quite a few folks. :) For those that do want a lid, Noctua has quiet 40mm options which could easily replace the noisy stock fan - I use these myself in 3D printed cases for Pi5 + NVME board. I suspect we'll shortly see 3D printed replacement lids that relocate the fan - perhaps above the SSD slot. The egress grille near the heatsink means the CM would get plenty of airflow anyway.
Rubber on SD Card socket is to prevent the card from slipping past the socket and becoming loose in the box. My 3D printer did not have the blocker and I ended up taking it apart a couple of times to recover the card.
Shame they don't have a custom bundle option for the retailers whereby they can add the CM5 module of choice for a customer to the Development Kit contents. Kind of means we're stuck with either accepting the 4Gb option as part of the kit, or making up a kit of the separate parts for ourselves to get the 8Gb option instead. As the usual retail suspects in the UK are still saying 8Gb not available yet, managed to grab a Kit from the last 1/2 dozen at Pi Hut, and a spare I/O for when the 8Gb editions are out.
Seems a bit silly to include a heatsink that wont fit in the case with the fan😂 they should’ve created a slim version for this kit, to allow for the fan to still provide active cooling whilst giving the CM5 a larger cooling interface, but still sell the ‘full sized’ version for folks not using this kit
The most significant improvement of the CM5 development kit is that it finally uses Type-C for data and power connections, as opposed to the CM4IO board. I don't remember how many times I spent a lot of time finding a DC jack power supply before booting the CM4IO board up.
Nice video! great to see an unboxing of the new development kit. The inclusion of that heatsink that doesn’t fit with the fan installed is a bit of an oversight but all components seem of the usual high quality. I guess that logo is such that when mounted the cables would usually be directed down and the front facing up… You’re right about the support. Raspberry Pi may not be the fastest SBC solution but it’s by far the best supported by the company itself and the raspberry pi community. Including the company communicating at least how long each product will be manufactured for. From their Pi Zero to Compute modules. That alone is a huge plus for educators, makers and industrial applications.
Raspberry pi zero 3w, with a RPI4 chip on it and 4 gb of ram….. Just putting this idea out in the world, I hope they are working on a new zero from factor board.
The pad on the MicroSD slot is to prevent you from inserting the card "above" the slot. It's a much cheaper approach vs some kind of alignment solution between board and case.
As it's expected use is as a development board, I assume the logo is oriented so it's the right way round when the io side of the box is facing the developer.
rubber pad is probably to stop insertion above the slot itself, as tends to happen if there's just open air above it, and enough clearance around the metal cage to fit one.
It’s a neat little kit for getting started with the CM5! The fan spinning at full blast when the system is off is a bit confusing, but hopefully a firmware update will fix it.
Yay! Though I figured that out in the edit, luckily. It was honestly better sounding (mostly) than I had expected, just using a tiny shotgun mic on the camera! The good news is that setup is a little easier to move around, so I may do a few more of these run-and-gun style top-down videos when I get time.
The performance is at a level now that it would make a really decent desktop for a lot of users if they are prepared to use Linux. Even the Pi 4 has enough power for a lot of desktop applications.
I got something similar from Friendly Elec, their own ARM based CPU module, and the board is actually a NAS kit, I added 4 2TB NVMEs to it, and running OMV on it. It has 2.5GB ethernet. The metal case for it is sold on Amazon as well.
Pretty big miss that the heatsink doesn't work along with the fan/case without removing the fan. They should have done something like flirc and disapated the heat through the case then. Pi5 gets too hot to not run a heatsink. Hope there are 3rd party coolers that work better.
Got my kit yesterday, wasnt keen on the thermal pads that it came with the heatsink, the SOC pad doesnt make contact with it being too thin, i did think it was the new design but its not making contact maybe... I had some spare 2mm thermal pad which seemed to do the trick, hopefully they improve it in later models but can see this being a real issue for beginners!
damn I'm glad I saved that box, I thought that was weird that it was just jammed in that little red box like that with no wrapper-- no need though good to know!
6:18 That foam bit is probably here to prevent users from accidentally pushing the microSD card into the case (missing its designated slot connector), making it extremely difficult to recover in some cases. At least, that's what it seems to me.
@1:48 you mentioned sound levels. I have been interested in 32-bit floating-point audio capture for a while now. I love the idea of never setting levels again during recording, but understand the trade off is always having to set the audio levels later when downsampling to more reasonable bit level. Do you have any experience using 32-bit audio?
4:15 what is a wireless certification? Is that just the drivers that operate the hardware? Ps I have zero experience on Linux. Windows user shopping for alternative operating systems.
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That case is very nice. But the fan should be replaced with a Noctua instantly. :D
i bought it and .. i am unable to run it. I install full Rasberry Pi OS on nvme ... and it is not picked up by cm5/io board ... any idea how to install os on this ?
It did in this case, because there's no OS flashed on the CM5 yet. Once you put an OS on there (or boot of NVMe, or USB, or microSD on Lite models), then it should stop the fan when it's not needed, and only ramp it up a little as needed, until it's maximum under heavy load.
So far as I'm aware, yes. There are plenty of dissipative and shielded cardboard products on the market already which are recyclable - you're probably familiar with the classic black and blue (shielded and dissipative) corrugated boxes already. As a side note, unless relative humidity around you tends to drop well below 30% on a regular basis, any ordinary cardboard box is dissipative by virtue of being wet.
Im a lil disappointed that you have to choose between the fan or the heat sink. The case itself looks great and appreciate the sturdy metal build, but a low profile heating would help a lot even if they had to raise the housings hight another few millimeters to accommodate it.
The whole reason the Apple logo on their laptops "appears" upside down is so when it's open it's right side up. I would like to see you do more testing with this kit. Also try no to put white text on screen on a white background. Very difficult to read.
So if you put the passive heatsink on, the fan won't allow the case to close. That's not a smart way to release a kit. Why would they make such a silly design decision?
Where is the slot for the GPIO ribbon cable to come out of the box? Pinching the cable between the bottom and top case cover, is not the right way to do things. Where is the program/Run button. instead of a jumper on the main board? The position of the fan means you can't put anything on top which might cover the fan. It kinda sucks for a development system tbh. One would be better off buying the motherboard for $25 and design and 3D print their own enclosure. I suspect this i what will happen, Tngiverse will have lots of different designs by next year.
I noticed you're wearing an Apple watch. Are they actually useful? I've always been sceptical whether I should get one or not. I personally don't find getting notifications on my wrist a particularly exciting idea, but, I do like the health features, maybe also the I can leave my phone behind idea. How do you use your Apple watch? My relatives who bought them don't seem to use them after a while. I always find them out of charge thrown in a drawer somewhere.
I would have thought that there would have been an allowance to use the fan with the heat sink...seems kinda pointless. At least the unit looks pretty nice for being a dedicated computer, let alone a development kit. Also, why wouldn't someone design the machine so the GPIO was accessible through a door in the case? I guess I am just an average user looking in and not a developer.
Hello Jeff! We are designing an expansion board based on the CM5, featuring rich functionalities and ease of use-perfect for makers and developers. We’d be happy to send you a sample for unboxing and review to share your experience. Would you be interested? Looking forward to hearing from you! 😊
You know whats funny, the price of the Raspberry Pi in the UK vs US. Especially that its manufactured here. I like to buy my gadgets in the states, you know, double the CO2 emissions for the Pi to save the extra few bucks 😅
"sorry for the awkward shooting angle"
you framed it basically perfectly i think you're good bro
heh, but it's not nice and perpendicular like Big Clive!
@@Level2Jeff No pink death-dapters either, but still quite watchable.
@@Level2Jeff Well at least its easy to watch, I think it might be isometric
Just call it a Dutch angle, so it seems like a deliberate artistic choice ;)
Steel case because it's an easy path to EMI compliance. The interference between the fan and the heatsink makes it pretty clear they know it will be run with the top off by quite a few folks. :) For those that do want a lid, Noctua has quiet 40mm options which could easily replace the noisy stock fan - I use these myself in 3D printed cases for Pi5 + NVME board. I suspect we'll shortly see 3D printed replacement lids that relocate the fan - perhaps above the SSD slot. The egress grille near the heatsink means the CM would get plenty of airflow anyway.
Rubber on SD Card socket is to prevent the card from slipping past the socket and becoming loose in the box. My 3D printer did not have the blocker and I ended up taking it apart a couple of times to recover the card.
TIL, that's a fun little design improvement!
6:07 My guess is the rubber block is to stop people missing the sd slot and losing cards in the case.
Absolutely; have had this exact problem. Commented before I saw this.
Shame they don't have a custom bundle option for the retailers whereby they can add the CM5 module of choice for a customer to the Development Kit contents. Kind of means we're stuck with either accepting the 4Gb option as part of the kit, or making up a kit of the separate parts for ourselves to get the 8Gb option instead.
As the usual retail suspects in the UK are still saying 8Gb not available yet, managed to grab a Kit from the last 1/2 dozen at Pi Hut, and a spare I/O for when the 8Gb editions are out.
Seems a bit silly to include a heatsink that wont fit in the case with the fan😂 they should’ve created a slim version for this kit, to allow for the fan to still provide active cooling whilst giving the CM5 a larger cooling interface, but still sell the ‘full sized’ version for folks not using this kit
The most significant improvement of the CM5 development kit is that it finally uses Type-C for data and power connections, as opposed to the CM4IO board. I don't remember how many times I spent a lot of time finding a DC jack power supply before booting the CM4IO board up.
Haha yes, I ultimately bought three extra 12V adapters because it was always disappearing!
@@Level2Jeff Yeah, another 5mins for the micro USB cable.
Nice video! great to see an unboxing of the new development kit.
The inclusion of that heatsink that doesn’t fit with the fan installed is a bit of an oversight but all components seem of the usual high quality. I guess that logo is such that when mounted the cables would usually be directed down and the front facing up…
You’re right about the support. Raspberry Pi may not be the fastest SBC solution but it’s by far the best supported by the company itself and the raspberry pi community. Including the company communicating at least how long each product will be manufactured for. From their Pi Zero to Compute modules. That alone is a huge plus for educators, makers and industrial applications.
Wonder what Raspberry Pi will be releasing tomorrow? We had the Pico 2w on Monday, CM5 on Tuesday, what will appear on Wednesday?
Plz tell them to stop lol
Raspberry Pi Cubesat lol
@@ntcarverWasn't there already a PiSat? I could have sworn there was, or it was a fever dream... 😅
Hopefully it's a Pi500...
Raspberry pi zero 3w, with a RPI4 chip on it and 4 gb of ram…..
Just putting this idea out in the world, I hope they are working on a new zero from factor board.
The pad on the MicroSD slot is to prevent you from inserting the card "above" the slot. It's a much cheaper approach vs some kind of alignment solution between board and case.
nvm @SuperCloneRanger correctly guessed this earlier
Pi logo’s orientation on the case almost seems like it’s intended to be mounted on the backside of a TV. May be you could drill some VESA holes…
Or as I like to call them "speed holes"!
As it's expected use is as a development board, I assume the logo is oriented so it's the right way round when the io side of the box is facing the developer.
rubber pad is probably to stop insertion above the slot itself, as tends to happen if there's just open air above it, and enough clearance around the metal cage to fit one.
Why it so hard for them to add just one more ethernet port.
Just one more port, standard.
Thats all I ask for.
It’s a neat little kit for getting started with the CM5! The fan spinning at full blast when the system is off is a bit confusing, but hopefully a firmware update will fix it.
From what I've heard it may be a hardware bug that requires an IO Board revision... hopefully not though!
Surely that bug would have been obvious during product testing?
Love the set-up - and we can hear you! 😉🤣
Yay! Though I figured that out in the edit, luckily.
It was honestly better sounding (mostly) than I had expected, just using a tiny shotgun mic on the camera!
The good news is that setup is a little easier to move around, so I may do a few more of these run-and-gun style top-down videos when I get time.
This would be the best option to RPI5. Fantastic.
“Let me know in the comments if you can’t hear anything” that got me 😂
Yes Jeff Fandango, I can hear you
0.001% of people will get that reference but still worth saying!
@@jonjohnson2844 Clem Geerling will know.
This actually looks like a nicer form factor for desktop use than the standard Pi5
Exactly my thinking, but I wonder if you can use a CM4 on that carrier board?
The performance is at a level now that it would make a really decent desktop for a lot of users if they are prepared to use Linux. Even the Pi 4 has enough power for a lot of desktop applications.
I got something similar from Friendly Elec, their own ARM based CPU module, and the board is actually a NAS kit, I added 4 2TB NVMEs to it, and running OMV on it. It has 2.5GB ethernet. The metal case for it is sold on Amazon as well.
Pretty big miss that the heatsink doesn't work along with the fan/case without removing the fan. They should have done something like flirc and disapated the heat through the case then. Pi5 gets too hot to not run a heatsink. Hope there are 3rd party coolers that work better.
Using the biggest heat sink, one solution is to mount the fan on top (exterior) of the case !
That would actually work! A little unsightly but the best of both worlds.
You should test the antistatic box with a multimeter, if it's truly antistatic it should be somewhat conductive.
Got my kit yesterday, wasnt keen on the thermal pads that it came with the heatsink, the SOC pad doesnt make contact with it being too thin, i did think it was the new design but its not making contact maybe...
I had some spare 2mm thermal pad which seemed to do the trick, hopefully they improve it in later models but can see this being a real issue for beginners!
damn I'm glad I saved that box, I thought that was weird that it was just jammed in that little red box like that with no wrapper-- no need though good to know!
If there were a version of this with dual ethernet instead of 1GB + wifi... perfect Pi Firewall.
The G2 from GMKtec is perfect for a firewal. Way more powerful that a Pi and not necessarely much more expensive...
huge fan of the dutch angle
6:44 Why is there the KiCad logo on the board?
It is an open source design for the IO Board, done in KiCad, with the design files on Pi's website!
“Coolcox, interesting…” had me 😂
6:18 That foam bit is probably here to prevent users from accidentally pushing the microSD card into the case (missing its designated slot connector), making it extremely difficult to recover in some cases. At least, that's what it seems to me.
Can the cm5 do display over USB-C?
@5:27 - I thought, "Hey, your not using your Red Shirt Jeff LTT Screwdriver." @5:31 - I was not disappointed.
@1:48 you mentioned sound levels. I have been interested in 32-bit floating-point audio capture for a while now. I love the idea of never setting levels again during recording, but understand the trade off is always having to set the audio levels later when downsampling to more reasonable bit level. Do you have any experience using 32-bit audio?
Happy thanksgiving to everyone in St. Louis too 💜
I guess you could mod the case a bit and put the fan on the outside. Wouldn't look great but it should work pretty good. :)
i really hope we get a pi 500, the pi 5 looks like it could be really useful as a personal/light work pc
It gets a sysbench score about half of a recent i7.
Curious why they would remove the PCIe slot in favor of the NVME storage. Wouldn't the PCIe have more use options? Like additional USBs, etc.
4:15 what is a wireless certification? Is that just the drivers that operate the hardware?
Ps I have zero experience on Linux. Windows user shopping for alternative operating systems.
That case is very nice. But the fan should be replaced with a Noctua instantly. :D
Awesome job Jeff,
i bought it and .. i am unable to run it. I install full Rasberry Pi OS on nvme ... and it is not picked up by cm5/io board ... any idea how to install os on this ?
The the fan really stay on when you press the power button?
It did in this case, because there's no OS flashed on the CM5 yet. Once you put an OS on there (or boot of NVMe, or USB, or microSD on Lite models), then it should stop the fan when it's not needed, and only ramp it up a little as needed, until it's maximum under heavy load.
@@Level2JeffThanks for clarifying, I am quite happy what RPi Foundation been cooking these past few years.
Are those magic antistatic boxes still recyclable?
Good question, not sure!
So far as I'm aware, yes. There are plenty of dissipative and shielded cardboard products on the market already which are recyclable - you're probably familiar with the classic black and blue (shielded and dissipative) corrugated boxes already.
As a side note, unless relative humidity around you tends to drop well below 30% on a regular basis, any ordinary cardboard box is dissipative by virtue of being wet.
I wish the regular Pi 5 had an external antenna connection like this does.
Ditto!
have not go myself an rpi 5 yet, I might get this started kit
This is more fun anyway!
Audio quality is different (a little flat) but it is fine.
Im a lil disappointed that you have to choose between the fan or the heat sink. The case itself looks great and appreciate the sturdy metal build, but a low profile heating would help a lot even if they had to raise the housings hight another few millimeters to accommodate it.
The whole reason the Apple logo on their laptops "appears" upside down is so when it's open it's right side up.
I would like to see you do more testing with this kit. Also try no to put white text on screen on a white background. Very difficult to read.
7:33 seems strange that the kit included heatsink isn't compatible with the included fan/case combo, smh
So if you put the passive heatsink on, the fan won't allow the case to close. That's not a smart way to release a kit. Why would they make such a silly design decision?
Jeff discussing CM5 case "but then the power button would be on the back"
Apple designing the M4 Mac Mini "power button?"
Where is the slot for the GPIO ribbon cable to come out of the box?
Pinching the cable between the bottom and top case cover, is not the right way to do things.
Where is the program/Run button. instead of a jumper on the main board?
The position of the fan means you can't put anything on top which might cover the fan.
It kinda sucks for a development system tbh. One would be better off buying the motherboard for $25 and design and 3D print their own enclosure.
I suspect this i what will happen, Tngiverse will have lots of different designs by next year.
I think people who buy this would probably leave the top off, but there's also a good market for 3D printed options!
It would be interesting to know which PoE hats work in the dev kit. With PoE and an NVMe that looks like a nice thing to slip on a rack shelf.
"dont know if you can hear that on video".
Meanwhile the fan: 🚀🚀🚀
that rubber on the sdcard slot is so you dont push the card into the case.
came to say the same thing, I've done that with my cal-digit TB dock and that was fun to retrieve 🤦♂ nice touch!
Ah! makes sense, just haven't seen that before!
I ordered a dev kit today before they sold out. Just updated KiCad to latest version 😂
Time to get hacking!
As always great content. Will you do a TuringPi setup with cm5's?
Hopefully soon!
I noticed you're wearing an Apple watch. Are they actually useful? I've always been sceptical whether I should get one or not. I personally don't find getting notifications on my wrist a particularly exciting idea, but, I do like the health features, maybe also the I can leave my phone behind idea. How do you use your Apple watch? My relatives who bought them don't seem to use them after a while. I always find them out of charge thrown in a drawer somewhere.
Seems the Dev Kit is not available in the US. MicroCenter didn't even seem to know about the CM5, much less the Dev Kit or anything else.
I'm trying to see if it'll come to Micro Center.
When I just get a raspberry pi five with a wave share case?
Does anyone know if you can buy the wireless module of the CM5 separately? I think it's called RPIRM0?
I haven't seen it directly but it seems like it might be available to some partners maybe? I'd email them if you want to get ahold of it.
Level 2 style much like Dave Jones "mail bag", soon you don't need script anymore.
EEVblog 💯
Case looks close to the size of a NUC. Runs better too I bet.
I want this for Christmas
Hey Jeff, would it be easy to turn this into a TV streaming device (linux+kodi)? I guess obviously you need that additional port board.
1:40 😮 its size of a remedy box 😮
Does the CM5 also support all normal Pi 5 OS images?
Yup
I would have thought that there would have been an allowance to use the fan with the heat sink...seems kinda pointless. At least the unit looks pretty nice for being a dedicated computer, let alone a development kit. Also, why wouldn't someone design the machine so the GPIO was accessible through a door in the case? I guess I am just an average user looking in and not a developer.
I've heard the PiX86 is being released on April 1st 2025.
jeff, can you plug a CM5 into the CM4 IO board, and does everything work?
Yes, but you may need to set a dtoverlay for that to work right.
@@Level2Jeff Is this to enable the usb ports on the CM5?
So I need a custom part or 2...take my money!!
Hello Jeff! We are designing an expansion board based on the CM5, featuring rich functionalities and ease of use-perfect for makers and developers. We’d be happy to send you a sample for unboxing and review to share your experience. Would you be interested? Looking forward to hearing from you! 😊
I’ve sent an email hope you have a chance to check it. If convenient, I look forward to your reply. Thank you so much!
Get outta here bot.
@@xanderplayz3446 Haha, I’m not a bot, I promise! Just here to connect and share something sincerely.
The fan sounds like a jet engine! Or is that someone vacuuming in the other room. 😅
i wish RPI send me the same, How can i receive it
$130 is a great deal...I need this!!
Bought one before the video was over. 😂
We need a better raspberry pi zero now with a little more ram
No pcie connector= Odd
You know whats funny, the price of the Raspberry Pi in the UK vs US. Especially that its manufactured here. I like to buy my gadgets in the states, you know, double the CO2 emissions for the Pi to save the extra few bucks 😅
1:53 How would we know to comment that we can't hear you if we can't hear you to ask that we comment that we can't hear you?
truly a dilemma!
is a prototype of a rasberry pi 5?
Not installing a radiator? Didn’t see it？？？？？？
interesting but i found Chinese routers more flexible and higher processor frequency
Cytron has them at $171.60 now
Lol it's 3 in the morning
When the embargo lifts at 12AM PST lol
Dragging myself out of bed... then trying to fall back asleep after posting all this stuff!
@@Level2Jeff There's a Schedule video publish time thing.
2 Jeff 2 Furious
nice!
PIMC is fan control.
Why can’t they put 2.5Gb Ethernet, it’s pennies more.
Apple for some generations had the logo reversed.
finally out
I can't wait until it arrives to mexico in 2030
WOW, 4GB with D0 stepping!~
MY NAME JEFF
Crap Fan..there are more quiet fans out there..
Coolcox 💀
If raspberry changes computer module connections every time, it kills the main purpose of it. I wouldnt want buy a system that is not upgradeable
interesting needs more thought looks Stupid it will work well i'll have to give it a try
i just buy my first cm4 🤬
Not very professional to talk about anti static and hold it in your ungrounded hands
"But it was on an antistatic mat!" :D