Pea shooter w/ a "pew pew" sfx, in addition to its debilitating passives. I was also hoping you'll use Undying, instead of Razor, and have a pea shooter as the plague ward in your doodle intro lol
@@hinatashoyo5746 we kind of had that too, in the Cave-themed battlepass collector's cache. It was called Molokau Stalker (and the hydra i mentioned before was called Corruption of the Virulent Krait)
@@farhanmohamad1943 i clearly remember this item build and also the curses my friends would lash out at the computer shop as slither boy wipes out 5 enemies with one ss
The biggest semi-recent balance change to Veno was changing gale and sting to be dispellable and making sting no longer ignore spell immunity. This changed him from being arguably the best hero in dota during TI7 to being very very situational thereafter.
Ahhh the frustration of being slowed. TBH, I would rather be stunned than be slowed. If you're stunned, you understand that you cannot move and therefore have to wait it out. Whereas if you're slowed, you still have that HOPE that you can escape since you can still fight back only for you to be consumed by the inevitable death that is closing in. You can struggle all you want but in the end, you'll still be dead.
I remember when i had over an hour game using venomancer although we lost we still hold that long enough to make the game fun.... those 3x health and attack damage plague wards combine with a over stacked flesh heap pudge make our opponents struggle
If I recall correctly, the reason he was out for some versions in Dota 1 was that there was a bug with the Refresher, that made it spawn wisps in the second use of his ult, giving him the ability to build and train units.
FINALLY!!! THANK YOU DENNIS FOR FINALLY COVERING MY FAVORITE HERO!!! YES I KNOW THIS IS IN ALL CAPS, I DONT CARE I WANT TO TRY SCREAMING THIS OUT FROM WHERE I AM TO WHERE YOU ARE!!! THANK YOU
You'll probably talk about Teemo again during Templar Assassin too, not just Viper, seeing as he's fundamentally a loose port of her. Short ranged but range, cloaks while standing still, lays traps, gets a damage boost when breaking stealth (attack speed instead of armor lowering but still) Also while Blinding Dart is functionally quite different from Refraction they're both abilities that allow you to do more damage and avoid several instances of damage rolled into one so they serve a similar purpose in the kit.
I believe poison sting damage are only useful to disrupt regeneration. chip damage last longer on the hero since natural regen are countered/partially countered by the sting damage causing them to have to use tango more often and the tick damage prevent the use of salve without having to completely backing up from the lane for significant amount of time. Though later the slow are mostly what you used it for.
My favorite now is Veno. I'm almost near 300 games using him. It's such a delight playing with him as he can be adjustable enough to play any roles during a game.
I mean I think that’s less on Veno and more on the base mechanics of if an ally hero is below a certain percentage and has a debuff that has the potential to kill them then they can be denied.
Finally ! Mah boi ! :D *picks veno* "Imma gonna PLAGUE their jungle ! " Oh, and here's a tip: You can hide plague wards in the trees for maximum nuisance, they don't need line of sight :3
Your drawings are getting so much better. Not that that's why I watch the videos but its a nice touch and cool so see the improvement from an earlier vid.
I haven't played Dota in 2 years now and I've actually become a league player (sadly still bronze ;_;) yet I always find myself watching these videos as soon as they come out Love the videos man keep them going
Venomancer in dota 1 is the monster you don't want to see observing you and lurking at the dark, dota 2 venomancer is the one that chases you until it gets you
Back when they added the initial round of EXP and later Lvl 10 Gold talents Jungle Veno at the offlane Duo Ancients and Jungle Camp was a gloriously greedy but very very easy way to get a stupid early Midas into a Veil + Aghs at like sub 20 mins and +5 levels on everyone. You would farm/stack the 1 camp and 2 Ancient camps with plague wards + Sting, with Iron Talon helping you get to the crucial level 3 since that is when you got Lvl 2 Plague Wards which could start to properly farm the ancient camp.
Fun note the MSI roster that won to make the poison ivy slither skin had both Fly and NoTail on it. I believe trixxy was their main slither player but I might be misremembering.
Playing Veno as a carry is one of my longest pocket picks that like 95% of the time are often met with weird looks or outright disagreement and the player on the same lane picking carry instead of a support. The thing with Veno, he sure ain't your regular carry that can 1v2 easily, it's all about the positioning, vision and playing around your poisons/slows. (That Manta mentioned in the video, is super cool fot his build) Having for example Nature's prophet on your lane makes their game a living nightmare, all that can really fuck you up is Snapfire, Slark or anything with blink since you can't abuse the prophet's Q. Still, all of them having some kind of a dash/blink in their kit... poor AM still won't get his BF by 15 minute mark even if he'll try his best. If the enemy team is playing SUPER defensively, getting your hands on Meteor Hammer is one way of spreading your cancerous presence elsewhere and it adds that much needed stun for his kit. Overall, I always loved Veno, love, and always will
Maybe poison nova is a bacterial infection that produces poison and the bacteria can't survive in a dead host so it makes sure that the victim does not die from it while the other spells are actual poison that will kill regardless.
Wayyy back when i first started playing Dota Venimancer was 5he go to easy / fun to play slightly overpowered hero. He was also big in the trilaning meta paired with something like CM / Viper it was impossible as a melee to lane vs.
I thought maybe I'd do a little drinking game, and take a shot everytime Dennis says the word "Poison," but then I passed out in a green jungle and now I'm an oozing banana snake.
Idk if Cassiopeia from League of Legends will be similar to venomancer. She does not have the ward, apply poison on her basic attack or ultimate. She does apply poison on her Q & W abilities. Her E ability makes her the DPS & her W ability slows & prevents enemy from using mobility abilities. She has the snake like appearance, too.
when ever i'm support as venomancer i can some times end the game under 40min with good carry, but during the end game they don't want to end the game and want to show off that give enemy a change for a comeback and we lose and they blame me.
I understand how you could have missed it, but ever since CBT turned out to be such a shithead we don’t talk about Headstrong anymore. Anywhere that could have seen it as a good song has been replaced with Animal I Have Become by 3DG. Just a heads up in case you need a punchline any time in the future lmao. Love the videos man keep up the good work
My fav hero in old dota it's hard to plays against before even in former dota but patches are coming with new mechanics and item no one pick my boy again
Another fun fact to pull from League of Legends is that the champion Singed has a similar playstyle to the Ancient Hydra iteration of Venomancer, with a poison cloud ability that lets him damage anyone chasing after him, while being tanky and elusive with his skills to keep baiting them to follow.
People who usually play with me when I'm using Veno will be either impressed or angry because I have a chaser style where I care more in increasing my move speed rather than building support lol
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If you were Venomancer, what would your Plague Wards look like and what special effect would they have?
Probably like dicks because I've got childish humour.
I am a simple man. I laugh at fart jokes. So I want some mushrooms that look in a certain way and for them to fart on enemies.
Pea shooter w/ a "pew pew" sfx, in addition to its debilitating passives.
I was also hoping you'll use Undying, instead of Razor, and have a pea shooter as the plague ward in your doodle intro lol
Sub-woofers that blast death metal
It's like a regular Plague Ward, but they are holding a gun instead with their tiny arm
That hydra venomancer could be a nice concept for an arcana
well, we had the collector cashe hydra venomancer two years ago or so, but an arcana in a similar style does sound nice
I think centipede venomancer would be better and more terrifying
@@hinatashoyo5746 we kind of had that too, in the Cave-themed battlepass collector's cache. It was called Molokau Stalker (and the hydra i mentioned before was called Corruption of the Virulent Krait)
@@hinatashoyo5746 20:14?
that a nice idea but as you can see we are still waiting for spectre arcana so dont hope for another one any time soon
Veno was such a broken hero back in Dota1, during the time when Hood of Defiance didn't exist yet.
Ah, the memories of anguish and despair.
One of the reasons why he's my favorite hero back in dota1. There's just something beautiful about seeing your enemies panick while dying slowly.
Lothar sny was the best
And now he's useless. Just a ward slave and cannon fodder
Back then his combo ulti+skill1 and couple hit guaranted kill against any hero
@@farhanmohamad1943 i clearly remember this item build and also the curses my friends would lash out at the computer shop as slither boy wipes out 5 enemies with one ss
The drawings are getting better amd better
The drawings are getting better nvidia better
The drawings are getting better ati better
Yeah his drawing skills just keep ryzen
I have acquired valuable Intel: The drawings are indeed getting better
Also Venomancer's ultimate comes from the Necromancer class from Diablo 2 and as such Xul from HoTS has it direct copy of it as well.
Was surprised that did not come up.
Op probably didnt play diablo
@@aldrinmercado3475 you dont need to, most of this video's content can be researched from online wiki/trivia. His illustration was helpful, tho.
@@henrylaz8964 op is young though he couldnt have played it
The biggest semi-recent balance change to Veno was changing gale and sting to be dispellable and making sting no longer ignore spell immunity. This changed him from being arguably the best hero in dota during TI7 to being very very situational thereafter.
His new aghs punishes opponents for dispelling, but has too short of a cast range imo
Ahhh the frustration of being slowed. TBH, I would rather be stunned than be slowed. If you're stunned, you understand that you cannot move and therefore have to wait it out. Whereas if you're slowed, you still have that HOPE that you can escape since you can still fight back only for you to be consumed by the inevitable death that is closing in. You can struggle all you want but in the end, you'll still be dead.
Or you could buy bkb or a purge item
I remember when i had over an hour game using venomancer although we lost we still hold that long enough to make the game fun.... those 3x health and attack damage plague wards combine with a over stacked flesh heap pudge make our opponents struggle
Summary on fighting against Venomancer:
"I cant move"
Step 1: Put wards
Step 2: Run
Repeat until your assailant dies. Slowly. And painfully.
I don't feel so good
"Will drive you bananas with his toxicity"
> tfw venomancer is a hydralisk in dota1 and the race's BM is baneling stratt
If I recall correctly, the reason he was out for some versions in Dota 1 was that there was a bug with the Refresher, that made it spawn wisps in the second use of his ult, giving him the ability to build and train units.
Dennis The Tall: 6:41
Valve Devs: WRITE THAT DOWN!
WRITE THAT DOWN!!
Fuck Yeah didnt expect Veno will be next
Thanks Dennis!
My pleasure!
Also don't forget to join the channel to use these fun icons in the comments!
"Look closer, D-enny!" KEKW, I can't!
Damn. Dota 1. Nostalgia hits hard. I remember skipping school with my classmates just to trashtalk each other on lan. Good times.
FINALLY!!! THANK YOU DENNIS FOR FINALLY COVERING MY FAVORITE HERO!!! YES I KNOW THIS IS IN ALL CAPS, I DONT CARE I WANT TO TRY SCREAMING THIS OUT FROM WHERE I AM TO WHERE YOU ARE!!! THANK YOU
You'll probably talk about Teemo again during Templar Assassin too, not just Viper, seeing as he's fundamentally a loose port of her. Short ranged but range, cloaks while standing still, lays traps, gets a damage boost when breaking stealth (attack speed instead of armor lowering but still)
Also while Blinding Dart is functionally quite different from Refraction they're both abilities that allow you to do more damage and avoid several instances of damage rolled into one so they serve a similar purpose in the kit.
Woah woah woah woah woah. Dennis hasn't reached 100k subs yet? Howw? His content is so well produced.
Remember when venomancer was called hydralisk? And you can find him somewhere in the forest in warcraft 3 reign of chaos
The Corruption of the Virulent Krait set from the TI7 Collectors Cache seems like a callback to his hydra model.
I believe poison sting damage are only useful to disrupt regeneration. chip damage last longer on the hero since natural regen are countered/partially countered by the sting damage causing them to have to use tango more often and the tick damage prevent the use of salve without having to completely backing up from the lane for significant amount of time.
Though later the slow are mostly what you used it for.
My favorite now is Veno. I'm almost near 300 games using him. It's such a delight playing with him as he can be adjustable enough to play any roles during a game.
You didn't mention that some of his abilities allow the enemy to be denied.
I mean I think that’s less on Veno and more on the base mechanics of if an ally hero is below a certain percentage and has a debuff that has the potential to kill them then they can be denied.
I came late because venomancer's slowness affected me too hard :')
I hope your great channel grows! Also Venomancer was my first dota main.
Dennis deserves at least 10 times more subscribers than he has now. Hope you get there soon brother . Cheers
Remember when they kept tweaking veno's poison and they made it deal pure damage? Lmao Bless the guy who did that.
Also with league you want a slithering champion who does poison damage, Cassiopeia fits this
The HoN version also have 100 % reduction on regen on his 3rd skill
fastest click in the west
Finally ! Mah boi ! :D
*picks veno* "Imma gonna PLAGUE their jungle ! "
Oh, and here's a tip: You can hide plague wards in the trees for maximum nuisance, they don't need line of sight :3
Your drawings are getting so much better. Not that that's why I
watch the videos but its a nice touch and cool so see the improvement from an earlier vid.
Love your work!
>"Will drive you bananas with his toxicity"
Too late for that, pal
The Name of the HON-Spell Toxicity itself is also a song from System of a Down. So someone probably tried to compress a few Metal jokes in there :)
havent played Dota for years.
But this dude was my favorite.
My first and still my favorite hero from all the way back in 2012, great video
Poison Nova, or as I like to call it AOE Viper Strike
I haven't played Dota in 2 years now and I've actually become a league player (sadly still bronze ;_;) yet I always find myself watching these videos as soon as they come out
Love the videos man keep them going
Viper's rival back in DoTA 1
Venomancer in dota 1 is the monster you don't want to see observing you and lurking at the dark, dota 2 venomancer is the one that chases you until it gets you
Back when they added the initial round of EXP and later Lvl 10 Gold talents Jungle Veno at the offlane Duo Ancients and Jungle Camp was a gloriously greedy but very very easy way to get a stupid early Midas into a Veil + Aghs at like sub 20 mins and +5 levels on everyone. You would farm/stack the 1 camp and 2 Ancient camps with plague wards + Sting, with Iron Talon helping you get to the crucial level 3 since that is when you got Lvl 2 Plague Wards which could start to properly farm the ancient camp.
Fun note the MSI roster that won to make the poison ivy slither skin had both Fly and NoTail on it. I believe trixxy was their main slither player but I might be misremembering.
Great video! You missed a reference though; in HOTS, Xul has Poison Nova as one of his heroics
This channel is so underrated. Ive follow this channel since 7-8 years ago.. Still cant pas 100k subscribers.. 😭 keep spirit bro...
Playing Veno as a carry is one of my longest pocket picks that like 95% of the time are often met with weird looks or outright disagreement and the player on the same lane picking carry instead of a support.
The thing with Veno, he sure ain't your regular carry that can 1v2 easily, it's all about the positioning, vision and playing around your poisons/slows. (That Manta mentioned in the video, is super cool fot his build)
Having for example Nature's prophet on your lane makes their game a living nightmare, all that can really fuck you up is Snapfire, Slark or anything with blink since you can't abuse the prophet's Q.
Still, all of them having some kind of a dash/blink in their kit... poor AM still won't get his BF by 15 minute mark even if he'll try his best.
If the enemy team is playing SUPER defensively, getting your hands on Meteor Hammer is one way of spreading your cancerous presence elsewhere and it adds that much needed stun for his kit.
Overall, I always loved Veno, love, and always will
8:12 hydralisk was'nt undead unit, hydralisk model was used to change a undead hero type.
Could you do undying next? Fell in love with that hero and would love to see the history
Id love a hydralisk arcana/Immortal for Venom a true nostalgic set ^ ^ would be awesome
Crazy how this video will be 2 years old tomorrow
Maybe poison nova is a bacterial infection that produces poison and the bacteria can't survive in a dead host so it makes sure that the victim does not die from it while the other spells are actual poison that will kill regardless.
Hmm I really thought you would include Cassiopeia as a notable mention, she is THE DoT poison champion :P
i feel like making veno more like the hon veno would be super cool, they could impliment all of the mechanics by downgarding his damage a little.
Why does Luna hate venomacer?
It’s because veno keeps trying to poison nova!
Nice.
Noice....
I was waiting for this with such eager
Where can I buy these Venom toys?
Nova works like the venom of a spider. You know keeping victims fresh. Like Frodo (Lord of the rings).
7:20 imagine mid venom with scepter and veil jumping into 4 1200hp heroes and just presing 2k dot. Now u need to hit all of then at least.
Venomancer really needs those Disease Clouds and make Poison Nova lethal again.
My day has been made better
18:55
The music is indeed fitting for such a story. Great job. :D
Wayyy back when i first started playing Dota Venimancer was 5he go to easy / fun to play slightly overpowered hero. He was also big in the trilaning meta paired with something like CM / Viper it was impossible as a melee to lane vs.
I love Venomancer, got my only megakill with him by running away and screaming. He's such a lovely little scamp!
Venomancer is definitely on my “Boys Stable”!
DENNIS!
WHAT BAR is Venomancer?
Poison Nova: Does not deal lethal damage.
Me: Wait what?
it cant kill
I thought maybe I'd do a little drinking game, and take a shot everytime Dennis says the word "Poison," but then I passed out in a green jungle and now I'm an oozing banana snake.
the drawings are so awesome now
I remember the horror of facing ward build veno in mid. I was like wtf do i do?
Your writing is top notch
Woah an update! Bless you!
still love that pick your poison voiceline and he had lethal ult too from Staff of Masters which i think veno should get from aghs too
didnt veno also have a lethal ultimate for a while in Dota 2?
i think i remember a patch note that said it is now "no longer lethal"
@@bb-im6hf well now when u say it it might be true been such a long time i have probably forgotten about it
my first ever played character back in 2012
The thumbnail was a hydralisk. Sick.
Why didn't you talk about Cassiopeia?
Idk if Cassiopeia from League of Legends will be similar to venomancer. She does not have the ward, apply poison on her basic attack or ultimate. She does apply poison on her Q & W abilities. Her E ability makes her the DPS & her W ability slows & prevents enemy from using mobility abilities. She has the snake like appearance, too.
Thanks for the clarification.
Yeah I was wondering why he didn't being up Cass, thought she would be more related to Veno than either Teemo or Twitch.
Since I have been using Venomancer, Pudge is not a nightmare for me anymore.
Can't Like Videos 2x. But If I could, I Would! Epic Vid. Watching all the rest right now.
My first hero during dota 1 days
NICE VID MAN
Truth be told venommancer is the very first hero I've ever played
Where can I get the hero figurine?
when ever i'm support as venomancer i can some times end the game under 40min with good carry, but during the end game they don't want to end the game and want to show off that give enemy a change for a comeback and we lose and they blame me.
I understand how you could have missed it, but ever since CBT turned out to be such a shithead we don’t talk about Headstrong anymore. Anywhere that could have seen it as a good song has been replaced with Animal I Have Become by 3DG. Just a heads up in case you need a punchline any time in the future lmao. Love the videos man keep up the good work
Oof that was a rabbit hole i didn't expect. Thanks for letting me know
I think I have a good reason to get into Dota 2 now
Dennis knows the coolness of Lurkers~
My fav hero in old dota it's hard to plays against before even in former dota but patches are coming with new mechanics and item no one pick my boy again
Excuse me dennis, can you also make a video history of luna and mirana?
Or history of snapfire?
NEAT. chaos knight pls
Another fun fact to pull from League of Legends is that the champion Singed has a similar playstyle to the Ancient Hydra iteration of Venomancer, with a poison cloud ability that lets him damage anyone chasing after him, while being tanky and elusive with his skills to keep baiting them to follow.
i see you are a man of culture as well
ahhhh the green spitting Hydralisk
After hearing Hydralisks, my inner Zerg fanboi tingles
Please make a history of Queen of Pain next 😭😭😭
People who usually play with me when I'm using Veno will be either impressed or angry because I have a chaser style where I care more in increasing my move speed rather than building support lol
Ah the old veno, nostalgic
Do Lone Druid please
I was waiting for a starcraft reference
Veno was such a broken dota 1 lvl 3 o 5 can solo roshan just plant plague ward in cliff side
I miss when venomancer ulti does kill and lethal