Everyone underestimates hell scourge chosen, but they are genuinely becoming one of my favorites chosen variants due to their sheer ridiculous levels of MD, and ridiculous armor. They just hold out forever and ever. The fact that in the WOC campaign they can get VANGUARD DEPLOY is absolutely silly
not just armor, phys resist and poison too, both of which helped a lot here vs the AP of the Tsar guard. I figured it would be close but of any variant, that was the one Tsar guard had a chance against. Their performance was close to, but still definitely better, than I expected.
Brother they are still chosen. Whatever God marked special effect they get is applied to the chosen base, and the chosen base is winning before any special effects are applied.
@@ghost7685 not that buffed. They always had cracked stats. At the start they have 0 AP which was just dumb, but once they fixed that shortly after champions of chaos, they were always able to hold their own. Though the more recent addition of poison has helped too.
Their armor is higher, they have 34 more melee defense, almost 2k more hp and poison to reduce the Tzar guard's stats even lower. It wasn't a surprise for me lol.
Not really surprising, they're just better sword and shield Chosen, and they have charge reflection and expert charge defence, didn't even need those to beat them anyway
Not only posion and frenzy, 2,5k above hp, higher hp per model, 69 weapon strength, poision on Nurgle and Slanesh, higher armor, 70 melee difense for Slanesh. Chosen are just another level, we are no one infantry unit in the game, that can in melee won chosen, exsept legendaries
@@saidroskif4231 The elven greatsword units, swordmasters and executioners, come pretty close. but here it is true that all these variants are like 400 or so gold more expensive. Honestly this performance is tsar guard trading up given how close they all were.
Honestly I'd be surprised if the Tzar Guard could even roll Chaos Warriors... Chosen basically feel like the best infantry in the game, which is appropriate because WoC only really have Melee Infantry and Monsters to rely on as damage dealers.
I don't think Armored Kossars beat Chaos Warriors straight up, even with the missile attack. As for Tzar Guard beating Chaos Warriors, it'd definitely be closer than this steam roll, but I don't think they're guaranteed to win. Swordmasters and Executioners are pretty weak units for their price points. Standard Chaos Warriors have more MD than Tzar Guard, Executioners, and Swordmasters have MA. more entities per Unit, cheaper, etc... Mostly my main point I guess is that WoC infantry feel like they're generally a tier higher than they actually are, but they kind of have to because WoC lacks the vast array of ranged supporting units that most other factions have.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed on the Chosen. Tzar Guards did rather well vs. Elven Elite infantry but I guess that tells more about the the Elven elite than about Tzar Guard :)
Chaos warriors are mid tier units in wh3. TT wise they are supposed to be elite. Like chaos warrior GW defeats swordmaster. Chosen are supposed to be super elite.
they get wrecked. the MA is just way too low given that they have an enormous bonus vs large that doesn't come into play. They are good for what they do but fighting dedicated infantry killers like these is not what they do lol.
Tzar guard are so damn good most of them pay avobe their weight fighting against a 400+ more expensive unit.
Yea, that is a good point. The Chosen did not get the victories easily :) Thanks for the comment.
Everyone underestimates hell scourge chosen, but they are genuinely becoming one of my favorites chosen variants due to their sheer ridiculous levels of MD, and ridiculous armor. They just hold out forever and ever. The fact that in the WOC campaign they can get VANGUARD DEPLOY is absolutely silly
not just armor, phys resist and poison too, both of which helped a lot here vs the AP of the Tsar guard. I figured it would be close but of any variant, that was the one Tsar guard had a chance against. Their performance was close to, but still definitely better, than I expected.
Yea, they seem to be quite formidable :) Thanks for the comment.
I honestly thought the chosen of slaanesh was going to get bodied
they have massive meele def, even without amor piercing they win coz the tzar guard cant hit them
@@piazinho93 They got super buffed
Thanks for the comment. Yea, it was quite decisive though :)
Brother they are still chosen. Whatever God marked special effect they get is applied to the chosen base, and the chosen base is winning before any special effects are applied.
@@ghost7685 not that buffed. They always had cracked stats. At the start they have 0 AP which was just dumb, but once they fixed that shortly after champions of chaos, they were always able to hold their own. Though the more recent addition of poison has helped too.
Hellscourges winning was a surprise. No point of testing Tzeentch Chosen halberdiers, I see.
Their armor is higher, they have 34 more melee defense, almost 2k more hp and poison to reduce the Tzar guard's stats even lower. It wasn't a surprise for me lol.
Not really surprising, they're just better sword and shield Chosen, and they have charge reflection and expert charge defence, didn't even need those to beat them anyway
Thanks for the comment. Well, perhaps they could have been included too :)
Called Chosen for a Reason
Indeed :) Thanks for the comment.
Hellscourges doing their job of holding forever, but also winning. Interesting.
Indeed :) Thanks for the comment.
I get the feeling Khorn’s duel weapon chosen don’t have AP as a nerf. This is not the first time I have seen them do so well against armored foes.
Hmm. That might very well be the case :) Thanks for the comment.
The poison helped nurgle, frenzy is obvious for khorne and slannesh got that md
Seems to be the case :) Thanks for the comment.
Not only posion and frenzy, 2,5k above hp, higher hp per model, 69 weapon strength, poision on Nurgle and Slanesh, higher armor, 70 melee difense for Slanesh. Chosen are just another level, we are no one infantry unit in the game, that can in melee won chosen, exsept legendaries
@@saidroskif4231 The elven greatsword units, swordmasters and executioners, come pretty close. but here it is true that all these variants are like 400 or so gold more expensive. Honestly this performance is tsar guard trading up given how close they all were.
Nice battle! Can you do centigors vs bretonnia cavalry pls?
Thanks for the comment. I will add that to TO-Do list :)
Honestly I'd be surprised if the Tzar Guard could even roll Chaos Warriors... Chosen basically feel like the best infantry in the game, which is appropriate because WoC only really have Melee Infantry and Monsters to rely on as damage dealers.
They beat Swordmasters of Hoeth and Har-Ganeth Executioners, you think they'd lose against Chaos Warriors?
Chaos Warriors are losing to Armored Kossars, if they can do volley and charge.
I don't think Armored Kossars beat Chaos Warriors straight up, even with the missile attack. As for Tzar Guard beating Chaos Warriors, it'd definitely be closer than this steam roll, but I don't think they're guaranteed to win. Swordmasters and Executioners are pretty weak units for their price points. Standard Chaos Warriors have more MD than Tzar Guard, Executioners, and Swordmasters have MA. more entities per Unit, cheaper, etc...
Mostly my main point I guess is that WoC infantry feel like they're generally a tier higher than they actually are, but they kind of have to because WoC lacks the vast array of ranged supporting units that most other factions have.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed on the Chosen. Tzar Guards did rather well vs. Elven Elite infantry but I guess that tells more about the the Elven elite than about Tzar Guard :)
Chaos warriors are mid tier units in wh3.
TT wise they are supposed to be elite.
Like chaos warrior GW defeats swordmaster.
Chosen are supposed to be super elite.
I got curious about Tzar Guard vs Chosen of Tzeench lol
they get wrecked. the MA is just way too low given that they have an enormous bonus vs large that doesn't come into play. They are good for what they do but fighting dedicated infantry killers like these is not what they do lol.
Thanks for the comment. I will add that to TO-Do list :)
Also can you give tsar guard chevrons in equal cost difference and see if they can beat any chosen?
I can add that to To-Do list :) Thanks for the comment.
Huh, unexpected good performance from the hellscourges. I guess 70 Melee def IS 70 MD
Sounds reasonable :D Thanks for the comment.
Fan fact Legendary Tsar Guard with fire atack and difense are bitting chosen of Khorn
Ah, that might have been interesting to test as well :) Thanks for the comment.