I don't think that's true at all, Neo-liberalism is a fundamentally Utopian world view and that's why the polices often don't work or work in ways that aren't intended. Indeed in many ways has allot in common with communism, which make the assumption of a benevolent and competent state a citizenry that is not only actively involved in politics but can put aside self interest for the good of everyone. Neo-liberalism basically makes the same assumption communism makes about the state , about the financial markets, that its is always rational and is always effective about putting money where the real need is, again like communism, it assumes a citizenry that instead of politics is actively involved in the markets and like there socialist equivalents will rationally and selflessly put their money in assets that benefit everyone long term. The two biggest failures of Neo-libralist policy show exactly this utopian problem. Both the privatization of Soviet industry by giving every citizen shares and the selling of council houses in the UK both had a nice aim on paper. That every citizen could become invested in this new market and so essentially become a vast army of small businessmen, sensible and prudent with a finical stake in society that gave them modest reward for modest effort. The reality was in both cases market collapse and massive consolidation, leading to oligarchy in Russia and slumlords in the UK because as it turns out you need to be financially stable in the first place to have the ability to make the kind of long term sensible decisions the market requires for stability. What Neo-liberalism and communism have the most in common however is their catch 22 desire to create a utopian citizenry, in a society than needs them extant to function at all.
@user-iy9jm9tl6r neoliberals are capitalists, therefore they can fuck off. Theu are as bout as left as Heinrich Himmler CORPORATIONS RULE! KRAPITAL! Mussolini is loving it.
Alexei's final point about marketing and brand names is really it. You're campaigning under capitalism and under capitalism people are trained to respond to a particular canon of marketing styles. You've gotta get on board with that familiar system to get the message out.
Difficult to persuade people on the doorstep - canvassing is usually to register that person's interest to vote and then it's a case of getting that vote out on the day.
Agree with this - it's a huge expenditure of time and energy with very low persuasion success rates. Registering interest and knocking again on voting day is a much better use of people's time. Persuasion needs to happen at a national level - politicians with integrity arguing for a meaningful change to material conditions and a redistribution of wealth.
France isn't just Macron and Le Pen. le France Insousmis have almost 80 seats in the French parliament. Mélenchon was a couple of percent from getting to the second round of the presidential elections. The LFI is a proper left wing party. P'us why do the British "left" Continually criticize George Galloway ? At least he wins.
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Because Galloway is a worthless bloviating tosser.
Galloway has opinions with which the left broadly disagree. Abortion is a major one, George is a Catholic and adheres to that doctrine on abortion. Whatever your political views making decisions about how women choose to use their own bodies has nothing to do with anyone but the individual woman. Galloway says many important and salient things, he will speak truth to power on every available occasion so, yes, we should celebrate his re-election to Parliament; he'll be a necessary thorn in the side of both 'main' parties now Labour has aligned politically with the tories. However, his political track record would cause many on the left to be nervous of coming under his umbrella.
@@DaveATKIN I agree that Galloway holds what could be deemed as conservative views on certain social issues. In fairness to Galloway he has called on Corbyn to form a new party to unite and lead the left , himself included. So in my opinion Galloway would be more than happy to come under a Corbyn umbrella.
Corbyn should have left the Labour Party after the GE 2019, and started his own party. We would have been 4 years down the line with it now. Instead he hung about till Starmer kicked him out. The left have got to stop being solely a protest movement and get organised as a movement that can become a realistic, possible, party of Government. 2017 GE showed that when organised in roads can be made. If we want to appeal to the electorate we need to get rid of the shouty triggered element.
Always interesting podcasts. Outsourcing our collective power has been a totall and utter failure that has cost use all that our collective action won us over generations of hard action. Those victories where won by direct action at a high personal cost. It is the only thing that gets results. Outsourcing our power ensures we will always loose. As soon as we put up !leaders we lost and we have lost ever since. Don't vote. Act.
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Running around like a headless chicken yayyy. You putz.
Lots to think about. I do wonder if it even needs a party, in the short run. The sorts of community action groups that John Harris talks to in his "Anywhere but Westminster" videos already have plenty of, local, brand recognition - so if all the ones in a particular city got together to campaign for one independent candidate, that could go a long way towards increasing the number of progressive voices in Parliament.
"Fissiparous". I've been arguing for ages that the place to start is with forming a left electoral pact to ensure that there is no duplication of effort and running against each other, and that as the de facto national HQ and brand. An electoral pact means not immediately forcing the question of uniting into a single party, which is just going to arouse suspicions and enmities - who is supposed to disband for the benefit of who? An electoral pact would allow co-ordination and combination of activists, and get them used to working together without having to put that question of merging parties, and build mutual respect and comradeship (hopefully). At some point thereafter, if electoral gains are made, then a formal merger could emerge, as with the SDP-Liberal Alliance creating the Lib-Dems. Such an electoral pact should include the Greens, as the biggest outsider electoral party already present, although their betrayal in the form of helping push the Blairite "People's Vote" ruse to ensure defeat in 2019 must not be forgiven. National congresses of such an electoral pact could become nationally significant events capable of stimulating press attention, especially with support from existing left media like Double Down News and the like. The Canary seems to have been captured by MI5 operatives who are pushing the state's geopolitical lines, so they are going to disappear, but other more reliable outlets exist.
I've been really worried about the trajectory of Labour recently - summed up by an interview Lord Owen with the Times from a year or so ago on the TH-cams. In it, he declared that Labour have to "get rid of the left", which is terrifying. Imagine a parliament that has no voice for us lefties - we're almost there. I wonder if millions of us were to join the Party whether we could elect a different leader in - although they tried that with Corbyn and the majority of members were overruled and Corbyn was branded "unelectable" (despite having WON by election the leadership). Politics are definitely interesting currently.
Mr Sayle. I've been watching you since I was a little one arguing with Thatcherites about strikes etc. I am deeply disappointed you didn't track me down and tell me you have a podcast, it seems like a small thing to ask!
Some labour party mp need to recognise the seriousness of the moment, the outside game needs to inform the inside game, regardless of what i do the next 10-15 years are gonna be interesting, the problems aintngoing away and neither are we
Galloway has national support on the left, a media image - it's not constituency based. He brings a national campaign to that constituency? Ive never seen him on a doorstep.
I'm an anarchist ex-Brit living in the USA and, like most anarchists, I don't vote BUT when Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader headed to the general election I tried to vote for him. I'd been out of the UK for too long though. A cat was sitting on the desk when Wilf started mewing and he was all like, "WTF was that?"
Idea! various left groups 'for the many' etc agree broad principles request independent candidates that can sign up to these. They will get a tick/kite mark after committee do background check ✔ like checkatrade to approve suitability ie principles align and not criminal. Funds then approved for campaign.
I'm not keen on the door step canvassing by anyone even the good guys. I'm in the middle of something and get interrupted. I treat them like crooks that come to the door selling stuff or religion zealots. Why not offer the community help with tasks and then get the message out that way?
So, a left party could theoretically, place candidates in safe labour seats in say some London boroughs, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle and an outside bet, Glasgow and be completely ignored in a 500 majority right wing labour government?
A left party needs to campaign for more democracy, recallable MPs sovereign power and budgets at a ward or community level parliament needs massive change got to end the way a knob head is given a CEO wage for 5 years plus a pension when people are going hungry and losing their homes
5 years is just cementing in the sense of entitlement and invulnerability that develops after 2 years in power. 3 or 4 years is plenty before the people get to vote again. It's remarkable to me that the UK has had terms of 7 or 5 years ever since the early 18th Century.
No offence Alexei but you’re behaving in exactly the same chaotic way the radical left always behaves by not even bothering to link the article you’re having the entire discussion about. Lead by example and get your own podcast shit together first.
Neoliberal policies don't fail - they are very effective in making rich people richer and poor people poorer.
I don't think that's true at all, Neo-liberalism is a fundamentally Utopian world view and that's why the polices often don't work or work in ways that aren't intended. Indeed in many ways has allot in common with communism, which make the assumption of a benevolent and competent state a citizenry that is not only actively involved in politics but can put aside self interest for the good of everyone. Neo-liberalism basically makes the same assumption communism makes about the state , about the financial markets, that its is always rational and is always effective about putting money where the real need is, again like communism, it assumes a citizenry that instead of politics is actively involved in the markets and like there socialist equivalents will rationally and selflessly put their money in assets that benefit everyone long term.
The two biggest failures of Neo-libralist policy show exactly this utopian problem. Both the privatization of Soviet industry by giving every citizen shares and the selling of council houses in the UK both had a nice aim on paper. That every citizen could become invested in this new market and so essentially become a vast army of small businessmen, sensible and prudent with a finical stake in society that gave them modest reward for modest effort. The reality was in both cases market collapse and massive consolidation, leading to oligarchy in Russia and slumlords in the UK because as it turns out you need to be financially stable in the first place to have the ability to make the kind of long term sensible decisions the market requires for stability.
What Neo-liberalism and communism have the most in common however is their catch 22 desire to create a utopian citizenry, in a society than needs them extant to function at all.
@user-iy9jm9tl6r
neoliberals are capitalists, therefore they can fuck off.
Theu are as bout as left as Heinrich Himmler
CORPORATIONS RULE! KRAPITAL!
Mussolini is loving it.
Neoliberalism is fascism in a suit.
Or maybe we are made to play snakes and snakes instead of snakes and ladders?
@@jamesneedham-t7uit continues to be rats in a sack
Alexei's final point about marketing and brand names is really it. You're campaigning under capitalism and under capitalism people are trained to respond to a particular canon of marketing styles. You've gotta get on board with that familiar system to get the message out.
4:39 " *Britain is a much more left-leaning country than its governments have ever allowed it to be* ." That's an interesting thought.
It's bullshit though. They voted for Boris in droves.
It's always been that way. Edit unfortunately
Really enjoyed this. Thanks.
Difficult to persuade people on the doorstep - canvassing is usually to register that person's interest to vote and then it's a case of getting that vote out on the day.
Agree with this - it's a huge expenditure of time and energy with very low persuasion success rates. Registering interest and knocking again on voting day is a much better use of people's time. Persuasion needs to happen at a national level - politicians with integrity arguing for a meaningful change to material conditions and a redistribution of wealth.
'campaign to be a voice of opposition '.....lots of times recently i have said "Labour have not been effective in opposition, how can they rule well"
A actually left party is essential, the general public not really ready for the responsibility of anarchy 😢
The left in Europe has been marganalised and taken over by the Identity politics lot.
France isn't just Macron and Le Pen. le France Insousmis have almost 80 seats in the French parliament. Mélenchon was a couple of percent from getting to the second round of the presidential elections. The LFI is a proper left wing party. P'us why do the British "left" Continually criticize George Galloway ? At least he wins.
Because Galloway is a worthless bloviating tosser.
Coz he’s a C word
Galloway has opinions with which the left broadly disagree. Abortion is a major one, George is a Catholic and adheres to that doctrine on abortion. Whatever your political views making decisions about how women choose to use their own bodies has nothing to do with anyone but the individual woman. Galloway says many important and salient things, he will speak truth to power on every available occasion so, yes, we should celebrate his re-election to Parliament; he'll be a necessary thorn in the side of both 'main' parties now Labour has aligned politically with the tories. However, his political track record would cause many on the left to be nervous of coming under his umbrella.
@@DaveATKIN I agree that Galloway holds what could be deemed as conservative views on certain social issues. In fairness to Galloway he has called on Corbyn to form a new party to unite and lead the left , himself included. So in my opinion Galloway would be more than happy to come under a Corbyn umbrella.
@@wbafc1231 Except Galloway is a dozy bellend.
Corbyn should have left the Labour Party after the GE 2019, and started his own party. We would have been 4 years down the line with it now. Instead he hung about till Starmer kicked him out. The left have got to stop being solely a protest movement and get organised as a movement that can become a realistic, possible, party of Government. 2017 GE showed that when organised in roads can be made. If we want to appeal to the electorate we need to get rid of the shouty triggered element.
Always interesting podcasts. Outsourcing our collective power has been a totall and utter failure that has cost use all that our collective action won us over generations of hard action.
Those victories where won by direct action at a high personal cost. It is the only thing that gets results.
Outsourcing our power ensures we will always loose. As soon as we put up !leaders we lost and we have lost ever since. Don't vote. Act.
Running around like a headless chicken yayyy. You putz.
Lots to think about. I do wonder if it even needs a party, in the short run. The sorts of community action groups that John Harris talks to in his "Anywhere but Westminster" videos already have plenty of, local, brand recognition - so if all the ones in a particular city got together to campaign for one independent candidate, that could go a long way towards increasing the number of progressive voices in Parliament.
A bird needs two wings, is a beautiful metaphor
Aye. Always one bird brain that controls them too.
"Fissiparous". I've been arguing for ages that the place to start is with forming a left electoral pact to ensure that there is no duplication of effort and running against each other, and that as the de facto national HQ and brand. An electoral pact means not immediately forcing the question of uniting into a single party, which is just going to arouse suspicions and enmities - who is supposed to disband for the benefit of who? An electoral pact would allow co-ordination and combination of activists, and get them used to working together without having to put that question of merging parties, and build mutual respect and comradeship (hopefully). At some point thereafter, if electoral gains are made, then a formal merger could emerge, as with the SDP-Liberal Alliance creating the Lib-Dems. Such an electoral pact should include the Greens, as the biggest outsider electoral party already present, although their betrayal in the form of helping push the Blairite "People's Vote" ruse to ensure defeat in 2019 must not be forgiven. National congresses of such an electoral pact could become nationally significant events capable of stimulating press attention, especially with support from existing left media like Double Down News and the like. The Canary seems to have been captured by MI5 operatives who are pushing the state's geopolitical lines, so they are going to disappear, but other more reliable outlets exist.
What's happened to The Canary then?
I've been really worried about the trajectory of Labour recently - summed up by an interview Lord Owen with the Times from a year or so ago on the TH-cams. In it, he declared that Labour have to "get rid of the left", which is terrifying. Imagine a parliament that has no voice for us lefties - we're almost there.
I wonder if millions of us were to join the Party whether we could elect a different leader in - although they tried that with Corbyn and the majority of members were overruled and Corbyn was branded "unelectable" (despite having WON by election the leadership).
Politics are definitely interesting currently.
hey, please can you tell me who Dr Edmund Griffiths is, so i can learn about his work?
Google him x
done@@Talalaban
@@Talalaban I could not find any info on him. Maybe this is deliberate by The Powers That Be. (Adjusting my tin foil hat) Links please.
Mr Sayle. I've been watching you since I was a little one arguing with Thatcherites about strikes etc. I am deeply disappointed you didn't track me down and tell me you have a podcast, it seems like a small thing to ask!
Some labour party mp need to recognise the seriousness of the moment, the outside game needs to inform the inside game, regardless of what i do the next 10-15 years are gonna be interesting, the problems aintngoing away and neither are we
If a truly left wing govt were ever elected in the UK, they would get the Truss treatment. It's just a question of which Tory party you vote for.
Galloway has national support on the left, a media image - it's not constituency based.
He brings a national campaign to that constituency?
Ive never seen him on a doorstep.
speaking of branding and self-promotion, Talal, your linktree is down! 😱
I'm an anarchist ex-Brit living in the USA and, like most anarchists, I don't vote BUT when Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader headed to the general election I tried to vote for him. I'd been out of the UK for too long though. A cat was sitting on the desk when Wilf started mewing and he was all like, "WTF was that?"
Idea! various left groups 'for the many' etc agree broad principles request independent candidates that can sign up to these. They will get a tick/kite mark after committee do background check ✔ like checkatrade to approve suitability ie principles align and not criminal. Funds then approved for campaign.
The fix to this is PR.
who would people like to run for parliament for a new left party?
London has a labour mayor.
Again, not from door knocking.
Is he left?
He's more left than starmer?
I'm not keen on the door step canvassing by anyone even the good guys. I'm in the middle of something and get interrupted. I treat them like crooks that come to the door selling stuff or religion zealots. Why not offer the community help with tasks and then get the message out that way?
There is something odd about your countenance on the title card . How congruous it is with reality comes to mind .
So, a left party could theoretically, place candidates in safe labour seats in say some London boroughs, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle and an outside bet, Glasgow and be completely ignored in a 500 majority right wing labour government?
Socialists against pot holes?
I fkn love wilf!
Solidarity my cat brother.
I'm a leftie but Militant has a dreadful contortion to me. It is used a derogative term in the gutter press.
New Party? It's called the Workers Party!!!
A left party needs to campaign for more democracy, recallable MPs sovereign power and budgets at a ward or community level parliament needs massive change got to end the way a knob head is given a CEO wage for 5 years plus a pension when people are going hungry and losing their homes
5 years is just cementing in the sense of entitlement and invulnerability that develops after 2 years in power. 3 or 4 years is plenty before the people get to vote again. It's remarkable to me that the UK has had terms of 7 or 5 years ever since the early 18th Century.
3:24 Ahh Wilf. Protect him from the nasty men llike Farrage and Gove.
Vote Green.
Vote Workers Party!!!
you step into westminister your a waste of space
No offence Alexei but you’re behaving in exactly the same chaotic way the radical left always behaves by not even bothering to link the article you’re having the entire discussion about. Lead by example and get your own podcast shit together first.
I came here for a laugh, instead I get grumpy disillusioned Marxist grandpa moaning about a revolution that never happened and won’t happen. 😂
lol:)
We had the last laugh then. Let's face it, if you don't know Alexei's politics from his comedy the joke's on you.
Guy Fawkes did nothing wrong.
He did , he got caught !