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TRIGON AR01 - Taiwan's best road bike? 6 Month Review.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- The Trigon AR01 is Trigon's latest and greatest bike. It has some standout features you won't find on other bikes. It's billed as an "all rounder" (That's what the AR stands for.) and I think it lives up to its name. It feels as happy in the mountains as on the flats. A great bike, but is it worth the price tag?
Also: I didn't install those shift buttons all the way in, so they look a little out of place. That was my bad, not the design of the buttons. :)
00:00 Introduction
00:45 How did this come about?
01:15 Who are Trigon?
02:00 Standout Features
04:24 The Full Bike
05:42 The Frame
07:50 The Seatpost
08:05 The Cockpit
09:38 The Wheels
13:01 The Price - Value?
15:18 Final Verdict?
16:30 Should You Buy One?
17:04 Conclusion
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How did you come up with your tire pressure? Maybe put a 30 on the back.
The wheels look sick
They are proper "appeal to five year olds" design.
Tried one in Taiwan and it was super nice! Handlebars felt great too! But yes, very expensive!
Totally agree! Lets see how the business model pays off for them long term.
Great to see Trigon going strong after all these years. I bought one of their forks back in 2008/2009 for a touring bike that went over 28 countries (many multiple times). Sadly I was hit by a car and the frame it was married to was cracked but the fork survived. It now is the fork on my steel 'city' bike (it has drop bars and is pretty agressive).
This bike looks absolutely amazing. The dimples should help with cross winds.
Those wheels are something else... LOVE THEM
Bling bling.
Great video. But I believe there are some other good bikes less expensive like this one like you mentioned.
Yeah... defo not a decision you make with your head.
Great looking bike, if they can bring the frameset price down to sub $2K it will gain some interests and I would definitely consider buying it, but not many will invest 4K unless you are a Trigon fanperson.
I have the 55cm frameset with sram red. Rides amazing. No complaints.
Trigon carbon forks have been available already many years ago - even way back with one inch steerers as upgrades for steel frames. So to me, this is a household name - if they are indeed the same factory. However, If I was ready to lay out 9k for a bike, I think I would at least want to look at it in person and test ride it - maybe even in different sizes. This is where dealer networks come in. I don't think I'd spend that kind of money for a bike I've never touched to be shipped to me across the globe and just hope for the best should I be unhappy with it.
When I hear rim brake fanboy, I hit subscribe.
When I hear subscribe, I hit 'heart'.
Great video as usual Joe!
Thanks for watching as always!
Great video. Fair perspectives. Hipe these guys keep making cool bikes!
I love the look, the wheels especially set it off. As a full dura-ace build thats not a bad price. As it stands id love to get just the wheels, as a bigger guy the stiffness would be welcome. The frame looks great but as with most brands they dont make a big enough size.
Yeah, maybe not one for the bigger guys, but us smaller guys dont get much choice eitehr - so let us have this one! :)
Joe a really balanced and entertaining vid, thanks for all the testing and effort. Everyone will have their own view as you mention but I suspect your concerns will be spot on regarding price. Seems a shame if the bike is not pitched realistically to have any genuine opportunity to earn a reputation for value and prove itself …………. It’s hardly business 101 when breaking into a market.
More videos please, your content is always interesting.
More to come! November should be a record breaking month in terms of uploads!
Nice one, Joe. Beautiful bike and good to hear about its great ride quality but way too expensive, especially the frameset. Much more expensive than a Look, Time, or Scott frame and those brands have worldwide presence included in their price. And on the other hand is it 2500 usd better than Winspace?
It's better, but "2500" better...? I mean, it depends what value money has to you. Is Dura Ace $1000 better than Ultegra? Some people will say yes, some will say no. If it's my money... probably not 2500 better...
@@ChinaCycling Yeah, I totally get what you are saying and comparisons many times are unfair because everything has its place but bike companies should water down their prices. Too many cycles of booming/crisis in this industry.
Anyway, always appreciate your reviews.
That thing looks beautiful 🤤
It's a well designed bike!
Hmm i think I found where the pro exclusive integrated cockpit of the Lapierre bike of Groupama FDJ WT team comes from. Very nice review of an interesting bike !
Looks a bit like a small size argon 18 sum pro tho, but nobody has this bike as well so it's still unique
agree joe! it’s mint. and compared to euro brands its considerably cheaper
People can talk shit about GCN all day... but the ride you did on this bike. F**k me mate. China Cycling ain't ever doing that, don't care how much a brand pays me. 😂 Mad kudos for that ride.
Thx for the review, I think I want to buy the Tavelo Attack
Bike looks really really good but 4k for a frameset from a relatively unknown brand is ridiculous. This is more than from a top line giant frame in retail. Where giant is since 20 years in world tour. Except last time where basically there was shortage of components and frames etc I don't know anyone who both top spec frameset/ bike and paid sticker price. Frameset price 4k plus tax and shipping from taiwan that is 5k in europe and in that price range you can buy all the road framesets in the world. For the whole bike it is a bit better priced but still this would be way better placed if 1k lower. Especially that they don't spend such money on marketing like big dogs. Looks really really good i would definitely like to try but if more like in seeka price range and not existing one. Actually this frameset is more expensive than the canyon where they sponsor the best cyclist in the world an already well known brand with a pro tour team.
I looked at this as well fantastic looking bike. Not cheap but I think they OEM for Pinarello. not cheap for frame only
If you look on the internet, everyone OEMs for Pinarello. lol. But, I think they OEM the MOST handlebars.
$4k USD is pretty reasonable if it includes the handlebars. That's $6300 AUD.
My Cervelo S3 frame was $4k AUD from Wiggle in 2009 - local Aussie prices were $8k for the same frame. It wasn't long before Cervelo geo-restricted sales, but I got lucky, clearly. I still race the S3 today, 14 years later. Have not changed a thing on it either - 7970 + HED Jet 6 wheels as configured by me at the time.
Not keen on the wheels.
Also in question is the timing. Right when the entire bike industry is going through the worst slump in years (if not decades). Here comes a new brand launch that wants to sell $9000 bikes. I was in Taiwan this summer and saw a company (supposedly an OEM to a well known western brand) had high profile product launch of a bike trainer. I don’t think the specs are particularly high end but the price is well over US 1K. There is also a strange phenomenon that bike products made in Taiwan often sell at higher prices than in the US.
I appreciate the video very much.With all respect to the Mfg,I know the high cost of material.labour,etc,etc.If they continue to pretend this kind of money for a " Bike " pretty soon the bottom will drop in the bike industry.Let me give an example: Model aeroplanes.I competed with model aeroplanes.While we used piston engines,the price were affordable to everyone,as soon as the electric motors arrived,price started to go up.Over the course of 2/3 years prices went out of controll like what is happening to road bikes now.The high price of airplanes literally killed the hobby of racing.If the bike Mfg follow what happen in the airplane hobby it will kill this sector in 2/3 years.There is no way I am going to spend 7 thousand and up for a bike,when for that kind of money you can buy a Ducati that will do 300km per hour with all the electronic you ever want.Best Regards
I hate these dumb comments about buying a motorcycle instead. A motorcycle is not a bike. If you want to ride a bike you don't go "oh hey ill buy a motorcycle because it's cheaper." I want to drive a car, oh wait this boat is the same price so I'll buy this instead. Just dumb.
@@roadcyclist1 I am sorry if I struck the wrong button,Regardless: Remember what I said about what took place in the world of model airplanes.I like hundreds of people in Europe,no longer spend a cent in this sector.If prices don't come down of at least 30/40% good bye to the road bike sector.For the past two years i have only been buying tubulars and a few things.In the past I bought a bike every 2/3 years.Now: i like many other bike enthusiast will be out of this market for few years with the current prices.Best Regards
I have a Trigon from about 10 years ago, when they were imported into the UK. The quality is incredibly high. I’d love to try this, but Trigon no longer available in the UK
Nice bike, don't like the look of the wheels but it's ok with a normal wheelset, but ouch, that price tag is steeeeeep. You can have a top of the range 760g Giant TCR SL frames for 3500 euros. That's another Taiwanese brand with an affirmed name and a good reputation. How could a newcomer to the market start at a higher price point than its more famous competitors? That's a crazy, or it's best say foolish, marketing strategy. I can understand they aim to differentiate themselves from the "Chinese cheap frames" but they're not in a position to be on par with western brands yet.
They are absolutely allowed to be on par with western brands because they have lots of experience building the OEM brands. Its a high quality build up, if you compare the price tag to a comparative bike, its on par if not a bit cheaper than. Its a bigger value for your money.
To be fair, you see similar stuff in the car industry. Boutique brands start with an expensive model. For small brands, the economies of scale are crippling.
No mention of drive train compatibility (to be fair, their website doesn't mention anything about it either); but like let us know if it can take a mechanical groupo. DETAILS, my man
Sorry... my bad. Like I said, I reviewed this more as the "bike" than the frame. I assume fully internal only, but there were 4 cable guides going through the handlebar.
for that money (even a bit less) you can fetch a Time frameset.
Cervelo S5 with Force groupset is $9k
These brands are forgetting the impact that resale value has on the RRP and subsequently the buyers choice. If I buy this new I will lose a lot of money on resale because the brand is not a legacy or big brand. Where as if I by a (god forbid) SL8 my resale value will be stable for years to come. Do you believe this is a factor when they are pricing their products or are we too far down the inflated value = prestige and potential profit consumerism rabbit hole?
It seems cheaper than a Factor Ostro, I would see that as a good bike for comparing like with like. The Ostro with Dura-ace is over $10k.
Hey Joe, are you planning to review Bross Zenith ? BTW it's sad that they didn't invite you to the conference
Hahaha, I'll try anything once... ;) .... but yeah, I'll try get in touch with them....
I’ve been riding Trigon for about 10years now. Would not buy anything but at Trigon again!
Would love to see some mtb reviews and maybe if mountain biking in general in China!
I suck off road, haha. But, maybe I'll find another presenter who has some skillz.
@@ChinaCycling nice! I myself am all road but wanting to get into mtb
Looks sweet!
how come you are so often on separated highways? is this common in china?
Where could I get this frameset in China mainland?
Great analysis of the bicycle, and very unbiased. Looks like a sweet ride. Trigon has been a leader in the carbon world for years.
It's tough to explain clear differences between a $14,000 and a $9,000 bicycle as you noted. This fuzziness in justification highlights a problem with the value each model offers. While it's okay for companies to make money, the struggle to explain why these bikes cost so much suggests something isn't quite right in the industry.
It seems like we're moving away from making decisions based on straightforward reasons. When you can get a car or a decent motorcycle for the same price, it makes you question whether these bikes are really worth it. It's a bigger issue about how the industry sets these high prices and how consumers decide what's worth their money.
I think the problem is, when you buy an SWORKS, you're litterally buying "the best bike in the world" (or at least, lets say within 10% of the best bike in teh world.) whereas to buy "the best car in the world" would cost millions... yet most people buy cars that cost thousands. So, people buying bikes need to stop trying to ride 'the best in the world' and learn to settle for mediocre.
@@ChinaCycling Joe the best bike is the one you ride ………simples. Like the idea of good riders better than good consumers 😁. Performance on a bike ultimately depends on the rider, not what you’re sitting on (whatever that may be)
i like bike, good bike, cool bike...... bike
Does the frame come with a lifetime warranty
those shifters on aero bars.....very nice...that price tho......terrible price/perf
Yeah, it's a weird market segment their going for.
Another "tri"? How many are they now Trifox, Triaero, there was even once a Triace idk if they still exist. Anyway, I may have missed it but have you done a view of Bross and Rollingstone brands? Theyre based in Shandong and Rolling stone is from Shanghai. Ithink they got potential but not lucky enough to penetrate the western (foreign) social media like Yoeleo, WS, Elves and Seka. Looking forward to it though. Thanks
Great review and nice looking bike. I could see myself buying the frame set in green. I love riding bikes that you don’t see all over the places.
What is the bottom bracket standard on this frame?
T47?
Thanks
Please do a review on Gusto bike 2023. Ranger and Evo Duro🙏
I'll try get in touch with them. Message them on social asking them to lend me a bike!
That's thing I hate about others brand when it come to sizing. Most of the big brands shows their bikes in the web sites in tall sizes. But, when you see the bike at LBS in small size, the bike looks completely different... awful. Hey Joe, that could be a great idea to make a video. Hey Joe, that could be a great idea for a future video.
super cool bike bro
Nice Review !! $9,000.......a bit steep, though.
Yup! Like I said, very very nice bike, but... damn, that's a lot of cash.
I need those wheels
Me too. I'm more interested in the wheels
Does anybody know if you can get Seka bikes in Europe nowadays (NL specifically)?
I Think this is really expensive, my S works SL8 RTP in 54 Frame is 678g (without hanger) and even the normal specialized version is below 800g, and retails for 3500 &.But due to the not established brand Trigon will have to compare against 2nd tier brands, so their pricing is ridiculous
I don't blame them for trying. It's just a shame that less people will enjoy such a great bike because of... 'ambitious' ... pricing.
Love Specialized but they've been messing up as of late, started when they discontinued the Venge, now I think riders are looking into Chinese brands to fill the gap and save some change until they bring the Venge back, but if the Chinese bikes are nice they may win over new lifetime customers, but they need to stay competitive about they're pricing to pull riders over from legacy brands
@mmurmurjohnson2368 Reagrding Specialized I totally disagree. Expensive, yes but still among the top tree bike manufacturer's
But don't think this is the place to discuss Specialized or if you prefer established brand A or B as well as you think A or B is overpriced or not . Currently the high end/high price sector of well established brands is one of the few segments in the market that still sells.
But this here is about the Trigon. So discuss the Trigon!!
Comparing Trigons pricing to Specialized was just an example. I could have also compared it to Treks or BMCs, Cervelos, etc . ....pricing. Those are all highly admired and established brands in the market. At this point Trigon, even when the (ride) quality of this bike is on par or better, compared to the established brands will have trouble, because of that pricing and not being established in the market..
@amdeichgescheitert5779 No doubt, I own and love Specialized, but that's my point, only mostly seasoned dedicated riders know and ride these bikes and there're only a handful of us thus the high prices, but they're starting now to kill the golden goose audience as well as failing to bring in new riders, a critical error that in the end will injure both brands and riders alike as you're seeing in the industry now. And now brands like Trigon are trying to enter the already injured market at the same price points with an albeit very nice bike, but not a strategically sound decision. I'd just go cop a Winspace and call it a day.
A better bike is not the problem right now, a lack of a sustainable amount of riders is, often times due to cost constraints, putting the sport in the domain of eqestrianism or yachting is not sustainable at bike industry margins no matter how nice the Trigon, and it is nice, now price it down to a place where I'll actually spot riders on the road with it and make me consider it over coping a reasonably priced Madone and win
Why list the weight without the hanger? Everyone that buys it is going to use the hanger
I was researching to get this or the seka.. still undecided.
That's a tough decision. SEKA is lighter (the RDC version) but I imagine this is stiffer (only ever ridden one SEKA, not the stiffest thing ever.)
@@ChinaCycling Thanks Joe, good to know that as i like to climb out of saddle. The problem with the Trigon is cost, it is a bit too much. I know they have been on GCN for a few videos so may be they need to put the price up to pay the bills. 😉
Are there any lightweight aero bikes that you can recommend?
Meh. Too expensive😊😢
Thumbnail wasn't clickbait!
How much are just thewheels?
thx
Qué ruedas son esas ?
Son preciosas
Unless you join tour de France, spend over 2000 on a bicycle is crazy.
Shame they don't offer it with 105 or Ultegra
@ChinaCycling how much does the integrated dust cap add to the frame stack?
About a buck fiddy. Haha. Nah, I'm not 100% sure, looks like 15-20mm? Don't know if they include it with their stack figures though. Some frames do, some don't...
@ChinaCycling Cheers, it wrecks my head trying to work out if they do or don't and then guessing how much it actually adds to the stack figure
Trigon, I though this brands went bust, I seen it like once in my local scene when I started cycling in 2010, it was a very coll bike but after that, never again. To think that a relatively unknown brand selling a frame at 4k is literally 狮子开大口
Nice, but companies need to come back to reality on pricing, how're they gonna bring new riders into the sport at 9k, sight unseen, and no demo? 1 to 2k average with a 5k ceiling is a sweet spot and the 1k bikes should be easily upgradable. Get folk into actually riding, they'll probably cop multiple bikes and cinvince others to get into cycling
@mmurmurjohnson2368 💯 agree but the wider manufacturing bike industry lost it’s mind / sense of proportion in the last 7 years. No patience to build a longterm repeat business based on trust and value……….or so it wouldn’t appear.
Looks like you need longer legs. I would say shorter cranks but i guess you already ride 120mm
Hahaha. This bike came with 165mm cranks, which also kudos to Tirgon for spec'ing their bikes properly.
frame sizes are weird. 520 with 535 ETT and HT 122 but next size is 550 with ETT 555 and HT 145mm. i think they are designed around shorter asian people. sizes are 460,490,520,550,580
I will get myself a winspace SLC2 🤣
There's another choice coming...come back in two days. ;)
I noticed your shoes. What is the make and do you sell them? Again, thanks.
I painted them myself. :)
Looks nice. I have sidebike shoes but I need to replace them, perhaps try Santic?
@@ChinaCycling
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It looks incredibly good, but yeah I'm not going anywhere near it for that price
French brand Heroïn use dimples and have done for years.
Really, I didnt know that. I stand corrected...!
I guess if you were thinking about a Sl7 , then this is probably a better option ' cos u can still save thousands 😅
Hello Joe, speaking of the china wheelset market have you heard or any news about Avian carbon Wheelset?
Thank you.
We're working a lot with Avian these days. (We sell lots of their bars on PP.) not tried their wheels yet though...
@@ChinaCycling Cool to hear that, hoping you can someday review their wheels ❤️ cheers mate!
4045 for a no name brand and no warranty unlike big brands is stupid. I bought S-Works frame for $3800 and have full lifetime warranty and have had first hand experience with warranty, one week later after claim got a brand new frame
Jesus, $9K for a super bike spec’d with Dura-Ace Di2 is almost a bargain (sadly)
Wow, that’s more expensive than a giant propel sl0.
GIANT's economies of scale are mah-hoo-sive.
In the PAST frame with dimple is illegal; now it's UCI legal. Yes!! China manufacturer is the solution with this ongoing Price-hungry company who are passing their losses to the consumers. I hope the technology in china goes up fast so people have options to buy decent-cost bikes.
Outside the price, sizing not good. I am right in between their 52 and 55.
who are these people with that kind of bike budget.. must be nice
Never heard of "dentist bikes"?? Rgr
We live in hope...
Plenty of people ride motorcycles that are twice the price, so if cycling is your thing there will be a market. It’s a small market, but it’s there for sure.
idk man, I think the kinda person who would spend that much on a bike would just drive over to the bike shop (in their Mercedes, no doubt) and get sold whatever the crap they have there or they have seen on tv. Doesn't strike me as the type who would be ordering a bike from china.
Yeah, I agree mostly. But if you love bikes, you have cash, and you want something different... it's a good option... but yeah.. what % of the population is that?
Corima mcc dx over those star wheels
I'd be interested to compare the two!
Sl8 vibes in your size. Doesn't look like an sl8 in Ollie's size 🤔
Hahaha. I can see that too. This is one of the rare frames that I think looks best in my size, hehe.
Yeah it's even sniffin speed 😆
I need to stop being fat
They charge 9k $ and skimp on a garmin mount 👌very good marketing
Geometry looks a bit off for an aero road race bike. BB too low and stack too high with relaxed head and seat angles. Leads me to wonder who actually is this for? Look 795 blade rs is IMO leading the field in design and fitting. Copy that blueprint.
The 795 is another great bike.
This frame is the same price as Euro jewelery like a Look 795 Blade RS or Time ADH. Nope.
I would rather pay money for a 2023 Triumph Bonneville Bobber 750 motorcycle $13,000 US than buy a bicycle these days. Shimano and SRAM need to cut the prices of their groups in half or the bike industry is going to die.
Capitalism 🙃
Super nice bike but super Expensive and most likely no resale value. Personally, for that price I’ll get something else more popular.
From EU perspective this is worst value for money then sl8 s works. once you pay the vat... use it for few years and decide to upgrade to sl9 (e.g) you'd get something back from specialized. With this unknown brands you probably would not be able to sell the frame
Way too much money. A Tarmac SL8, non-S-Works, is $3500. $300 for the Specialized carbon bar and you are still cheaper than Trigon.
It would be amazing if it was just more affordable...
Anything over $5k for a bike is too expensive. You can get a nice motorcycle for that price!
Hookless, that’s a no from me
$9000? Geezus…
Quite cheap compared to any comparably equipped bike from anywhere in the West.
I would never, and I repeat never spend that much money on a bike. If I won the lottery and had that kind of money, I would probably still not spend that much money on a bike. But if I ever did, why would I buy a Chinese bike? I mean, I'm a big fan of Chinese bikes and Chinese wheels and other components, but if I'm going to overspend, and yes, anything over $3,000 is overspending, I would buy a Western brand so that I could get the immediate service from a local bike shop where I bought the bike. It makes no sense to spend that kind of money on a bike and if I have a warranty issue, I have to send parts to China, wait for them to send parts back from China, just no. So please, let's get back to the reason I watch this channel which is AFFORDABLE Chinese bikes and bike parts.
Yeah, it's not a cheap bike. But you can't just never ride the expensive ones, else you won't know how the cheaper ones compare. I don't wanna make every video about the expensive ones, but I think there's still value in sharing them every so often.
@@ChinaCycling Fair enough, you’re right about that.
$4,050 for just the Frameset? No thanks
You got to wonder what their logic is in making an expensive bike when they have no brand recognition or reputation.
I can see a bunch of reasons. Maybe it's actually just a halo project, a way to advertise their OEM services / factory. They don't actually wanna sell that many? Or... they want to give huge margins to bike shops, and then let bike shops help them do all the promotion and marketing...
shame it's so expensive.
:( Sad panda.
Obviously Trigon comes from Taiwan, and made in Taiwan. That’s definitely not from mainland china. Two Different countries.
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Frameset is far too over priced, 100% over priced. It should be half the recommended price..
For the money, I'd go custom steel.
Omg 9000
It’s all gone mental you can get a high powered motor bike for that😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That money just can’t be justified on a push bike. Sorry I’m out
China cycling.....with a Taiwanese bike.... Are you saying Taiwan is Chinese?
True Taiwan is Chinese, chinese is a race.