1984 Dodge 600 ES | Retro Review
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- This sleek sports sedan is ultra rare these days, if not extinct. The 600 ES would make a great resto-mod sleeper to showcase all the 2.2 Liter's potential.
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I appreciate MotorWeek posting these classic videos. It’s easy to forget all of the interesting models there were back then. Some of these cars would be decent now.
Thanks for watching!!
@@Motorweek , 👍 😀 You’re welcome. I’ve watched Motorweek from the beginning (I’m an old fart)
It is yet another way to use the K car chassis. One has to admit that they did get their monies worth.
Absolutely the tooling for K cars was a money printing machine.
That literally was the whole point of the K-car. American's tax dollars being put to work since it was the US government's first time helping out Chrysler on the brink.
@@fp5495, I recognize that, but I believe Chrysler was able to do more with that modular chassis than many could have imagined.
They used the k car platform until the mid 90s.
Yup, K-cars and minivans.
i drove one of these in 87 and I still remember how strong the boost came on, very impressive at the time.
Chrysler also used the K-Car platform for an 18-wheeler, a golf cart, a luxury cruise liner and an orbital space station
😂
A manual transmission on an American sedan.....ah, those were the days.
Tru. Whats really crazy is Cadillac makes two currently🤣
"A true sportscar-like 0 to 60 time of 10.2 seconds." 39 years later, that's about equal to a UPS truck.
Today's kids think nothing can be a sportscar unless it's as quick as a Tesla 🙄
Where they tested this car isn’t flat. Their 0-60 was going uphill lol
UPS trucks with the GM 6.0 gas V-8 motor are no slouch.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector Yeah, you can have something like the BRZ (an absolutely terrific sports car) that isn't particularly fast 0-60 (6 second range). But the review specifically called the 0-60 of 10.2s 'sports-car like'. And OP specifically said 39 years later that's slow. No doubt about it - 100% correct. The new base 2024 Civic, for example, is laughed at for having a 9.2s 0-60 [Honda stands for Hold On, Not Done Accelerating]. Even the plug-in Prius (Prius Prime) clocks in at a 6.6s 0-60. Nothing over 7s 0-60 could be considered at all 'fast' these days. While a sub 7s 0-60 in 1984 was getting into supercar territory.
Call me crazy but I love the oddball GM and Ford/Mercury cars that were made in the 80's such as the K-cars Chrysler put out alongside Ford with it's Escort/Mercury Lynx. Not to mention the Cimarron too. The Buick Skyhawk however does look alright, especially with the concealed headlamps.
The K-cars were a Chrysler product, not GM. This car is technically one!
My mom had this car when she was a young adult. She would tell me about how cool the computer like dash was and she told me hers had a button that would engage the Turbo to come to life (I assume either OD off or a old version sport mode). She traded it in for a 5.7 I-roz afterwards
She was looking for action with the IROC
@@marshalmagooo3899 she met my father with that car 🤣
@@mr.boostang2064 nice.... strong woman
what is an I-roz?
@@mr.boostang2064 I love this Dodge 600 ES, beautiful and confortable car
3:58 Ned Flanders checking out the interior.
That's Criag Singhaus, show some damn respect
@@senseicorey9979🌭 🌭
True! 🤣
My first car was a Plymouth Caravelle. It had the 2.5 4-cylinder that rattled like a diesel but was fairly indestructible. Good car!
My mother had a 1992 Plymouth Acclaim with the same 2.5L and it knocked like a diesel at idle. It was strange, but a great engine overall.
In the late 90s to early 2000s we got those 2.5's at auction all the time for almost nothing. The pistons were a short skirt energy saving design that didn't last so they developed bad piston slap. Set of pistons, rings and a gasket set made them good as new (maybe better). $250 car, $250 parts and sell it for $2499 to $2999.
That 2.2 turbo 4cyl would really pull hard around 10 mph when the turbo kicks in!!!!
😂. Any minivan made in the past 20 years would mop the floor with it in a straight line though.
Not bad for its time though.
An already fine American family sports sedan gets turbocharged, & a host of other improvements in its second year of production. Could you please upload the first 600 ES, as well? I REALLY want to hear John's reaction to the EVA!!!!!
Dodge 600 ES is confortable ans dolid car
Well, nowadays everything is turbo charged since there is a move to smaller engines using turbos. Even your minivans now have turbos (although not with the same intention as these, but more so feul economy which is probably a wash in the end anyway for modern turbocharged cars, at least your every-day family cars/sedans/vans). And the comical part is that with modern turbo charged vehicles, since they reduced the engine displacement, it gets about the same power (mabye slight more) than the non-turbo versions, but has one more thing to go wrong. I would only buy a turbocharged vehicle (like a sports car) as a Sunday driver, not a daily driver.
4:34 Ned Flanders pulling a Homer: D'oh!
I love the use of flashing turn signals by Motorweek during this time. So corny 😂 I love it and Motorweek though. Always watched it on PBS as a kid with my dad and still watch it today! Also, this jumbo K car looks good! And a sub 17 second 1/4 mile for this generation is not bad at all.
They wanted people to see it on the show how they would usually see it in real life. Which is parked on the side of the road with the hazards on lol 🤣
Super opening line: "Back in the here and now"
Way better car than its ill deserved reputation
I remember seeing a bunch of Chrysler's as a kid that would be pumping out blue smoke. Later as a teen, I was a lube tech and figured out it was the 2.6 Mitsubishi 😂
0:51 JeeZUS! The fender and driver's door are literally two different shades of gold compared to the rest of the car.
I noticed that too!
Bumper cover too. Serious quality.
Typical 80s domestic quality
My family had three of these cars, two 600s and a Caravelle. They were decent, though not particularly exciting cars. But finding one with a turbo and a five speed? That would be interesting.
4:34 Excellent acting Craig, you make late night infomercials from the same era jealous.
Give him some aspirin!
John excited about 142 hp. I miss those days. The paint on the fenders doesn't match the doors- really accents that it's an Aries with longer hood and trunk grafted on
This happens frequently for metallic gold and silver colors.
Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed the paint difference
I had one. It was a turbo. It ran perfectly until it hit 60K miles. Then every 10K miles it blew head gaskets at the tune of $2K to fix.
So after blowing 2 head gaskets, I sold that POS and have never bought, nor will I Ever buy another Chrysler / FIAT vehicle again
The Dodge Intrepid and other cars made off of that chassis were great cars! Everything they made after the 80s seemed to get better and better.. Those K Cars themselves had absolutely NO legroom for rear passengers and were just way too small.
I'm pretty sure my dad had the Chrysler version (with the automatic) as a "company car." But I'm not 100 percent sure...because that's how memorable it was. I remember that it was grey, and my dad (a dedicated V8 Oldsmobile man) absolutely hated the thing.
Probably the Chrysler E-Class. We had an '83 with the carburator, such a slug. Nice car in other aspects though.
Lol at the suspension bounce on the 1/4mi
Send it!
There was a time when I saw lots of Dodge 600 sedans, Plymouth Caravelle sedans, and Chrysler New Yorker sedans(all E-body cars). I would love to have one of these cars. Particularly with the 2.2 liter turbo 4 and an automatic.
For the record!
The E-class is a larger size K car!
@@4HBirtcher That car only lasted one year before it was turned into the Plymouth Caravelle.
I owned the maligned '83 400ES 5-spd manual from 1987-1996. It gave me minimal problems, was pretty fun to drive. While the front seat upholstery held up through the life of the car, the headliner sagged down, which was an annoyance. I also hated the lack of battery and temperature gauges, which I had had in every other Chrysler car I'd owned. Hard to understand that they felt the no-gauge look was some sort of luxury touch. And of course for the entire time I owned, it, I received the message 'your fuel is low' on startup, regardless of the gas level in my tank.
Sagging headliners rippling with the windows down was pretty much standard with any 10 year old 80s domestic lol. We had an 84 delta 88 like that. Mom always fussing at us, stop touching it, you'll make it worse! 😄
A nice little car, but the 2.2 engine tended to eat head gaskets, and they're no fun to replace. Having driven regular 600s in a taxi fleet, I can tell you that they're a very differnt animal with 4 passengers weighing them down.
Especially with a 3-speed auto, lol
I bought an 1986 silver 600 with 21k miles in 1988 for $250 with a bent rear axle. Bought a parts car for $25 and had a good solid reliable for the next 5 years. Mine was silver with blue interior and automatic. My ex when she met me thought I had money since I was driving a nice car as she said. 🤣 The local Dodge dealer I used to buy all the worn out trade in cars is how I got all these cars cheap.
That seems exceeding cheap for a car that just needed a repair!
Gotta love any car that chirps second, at least it makes you feel like it's quick.
These were cool. Showed how the "K" platform could be evolved into a higher-level car than its econobox roots. They were really going after Mercedes with that 600ES badge on the trunk 😂
Keep those retro road tests coming Motorweek, they are great to watch. It's even better to watch you test some of the cars I had in the past.
OK, I'm headed the the Dodge dealer tomorrow to custom order one. Sounds like a very cutting edge car for its time.
My mom had a blue New Yorker when I was a kid. I thought that car was so fancy. Then I got in one when I was older. Wow. Little different.
Whenever they name a car some numbers and letters, you know its gonna be a winner.
It is interesting that MW complains about wizbang electromic dashes in the 80's and claims,to be old fashioned but has nothing bad to say about the huge, busy looking and cheap junk screens that have replaced traditional instrument panels in modern cars.
Don't the new instrument clusters have less lag than old digital ones?
@@zzoinks Not necessarily. Some are very laggy.
"Should ensure long, trouble free boost"
It wasn't meant to be, though. Those cars blew head gaskets at an alarming rate, the 5sp 525 transmission was made of glass, and since Chrysler was using the cheapest, lowest quality steel known to man to maximize profits, these cars rusted out faster than you can say expired warranty.
You'd be hard pressed to find one that's in operational condition today
This car would be a bit of a sleeper by 1984 standards. Looking at it, you wouldn't expect the car to put up the performance numbers it did.
My brother bought a 1983 Dodge 600 with the Mitsubishi 2.6L 4 cyl. I actually got to drive it a lot the summer of 1984. Great little car!! Much better than my 1981 Dodge Omni 024 that I bought in early 1985.
John Davis looks so young back then.
I dont know how he maintained a on air job for so long,never seen a gym in his life
I too remember the 6000 SUX
Same year as my Daytona turbo z. Remember 84' really well.
I remember Dee Dee McCall's Dodge Daytona Turbo Z from the TV show Hunter.
Sometimes I imagine in my head what cars from the late 70s/early 80s would have looked like if composite headlamps were legalized before 1984. These quad headlights just make the design look a little...dated.
Very nice video. Plymouth Caravelle or Dodge are pleasent cars but from the 80s I would prefer Reliant K-Car or Acclaim from the early 90s.
I miss the Acclaim. Nice car and affordable to run.
@@palebeachbum I guess it was more popular overall than its successors like the Breeze and others.
And to think that John Davis is still on Motorweek 40 years later.
When your aerodynamics are blown away by a 1948 Tucker...
So Craig, the car you're testing tomorrow is beige and brown. Please make sure your clothes will match.
Didn't they test brand new cars? Why is the driver's door a different color?!?
Very nice and solid this Dodge 600ES
How times have changed! I kinda liked the digital gauges of the 80's cars no matter who made the car.. Some were cooler looking than others but back then I thought they were sweeeet!!!
4:15 It has oil pressure and voltmeter gauges! John is a demanding guy. Now he was whining about no turbo boost gauge. You really can't please him.
A nice Reliant automobile.
My MIL’s caught fire and burned the ground at 20k miles, she was lucky given some of the other testimonies
In my 49 years on earth I think I have seen this car 2 times
I used to sell these cars in the form of Chrysler E-Class, Plymouth Caravelle and Dodge 600 ES. Once they added the 2.2 turbo it became a pretty decent mid size car.
Had a friend who ripped the turbo badges off one back in the early 90's and would go out and terrorize 5.slooooows
I think every K car had a factory squat.
I think 10 sec 0-60 is faster than a 77 Vette, but less than a 23 Fiat 500.
An L48 Vette from 74-79 does 0-60 in the 7's. Road test of a 1975 showed 7.7 0-60.
@@moejr1974 Yeah but those vettes from 1972 and earlier were vastly more powerful. 1973+ had too much smog shit on them and those detuned engines.
Imagine in 1984 some guy in a camaro got passed by this on a corner and left cdfu
The 600 typeface is similar to Mercedes Benz. Dodge future owner predicted.
0-60 in 10 seconds. Those were dark days for America
My grandmother drove a white 88 Aries K with red interior in 1996. It was a comfy car. It was just too outdated to survive the 90’s.
My Old Car
With the exception of the A604 transmission, I liked the fwd Chrysler from that era.
I love these videos. I grew up seeing these cars but we were a GM family. In high school a guy a couple years older than me had a 600 convertible. Were there any major detail changes between the 600 and the Caravelle? I don’t remember the Plymouth version much.
Lee Iacocca was a genius. The K Car platform was well used 🐾🐕🐶
M bodies w 318 were much less troublesome.
What a sleeper man Chrysler needs to use these 40 year old MW videos for their new turbo engines like the return of the hemi nostalgia but now turbos? Hmu Dodge 👋
From new they always looked like they had saggy rear springs and were nose-high in the front. Weird. They'd have a better stance with a little rake from the rear. Would also help when loading the chassis on launch. They just want to burn the front tires and lose traction.
I also always found the raised front stance strange but as Chrysler boasted that their design was the result of a computer design I could just think that their computer did not have a big algorithm to generate a perfect posture.
I don't think 'desirable' was ever used to describe any of these Chryslers.
4:00…Jeffery Dahmer ladies and gentlemen….
didn't consider it when I bought 1984 Honda Accord LX 4 dr, Honda didn't even offer electronic dash or turbo
That girl in the jean out fit is something else.
Chrysler: we updated our manual transmissions and it is improved....Honda: Hold my Saki
Last time I saw one of these was more than 15 years ago and it wasn’t running.
1:12: You can tell from the water vapor coming from the exhaust that the engine was cold/just started. Not good for a speed test.
E-class is basically a larger size K-car.
A very competent, easy to live with & afford little car whose only flaw was oversimplified stying.
I wonder how many of these were actually sold with the 5spd manual?
If there was ever a car that perfectly demonstrated and defined the automotive example of the phrase 'putting pig on a lipstick' this would be it.
Adjusted for inflation, the loaded car would cost $38,763.88!
0:12 - "...we have the Dodge 600ES sports sedan"
Sports sedan. 😂😂😂😂
I definitely used to cross-shop these with BMW 3-series. Totally. It was a tough decision. 😂
The turbo was actually on par with the BMW at that time, BMWs in America wasn't really all that in performance until the '90s
@@ljmorris6496 There's a key difference. The BMW was RWD, and perhaps more importantly, not a K-car chassis.
@@doug6191 And your point?, the '84 Ford LTD was also rwd and Mustang based, did that make it a performer outside the V8 LX?.
Big 3 produced some junkers in 80s n 90s
It had electrical issues also
I have yet to see a turbo Buick skyhawk review, oh wait that never happened
They should replace the current Charger with this car 😜
This 600 ES looks similar to the 85 Ford LTD.
Cool Car
5MT turbo? What a wacky powertrain combination.
That car could have been stretched more the chassis to full size car K car platform in the 90s as it was being faced out give tooing to other world markets
It needs an intercooler
In the 80s, 'true sports car like performance' was dismal. 1:47 o_0
Dropped in 85 for the dodge lancer
@@Brian_Eugene_Lee nissan and renault would have to let that happen.
@@Brian_Eugene_Lee lmao they are no where NEAR falling apart lmao good one though troll
@@pl5624 renault has nothing to do with it, Mitsubishi is a huge major company all on their own
@@allentoyokawa9068 Nissan has major part of Mitsubishi and renault owns nissan.dont confuse Mitsubishi heating..banking...etc with Mitsubishi Motors as they are not the same company.
@@pl5624 allen doesn't know a thing about cars. He just comes on here to say everything not japanese is junk and Japan is the best.
1984 Hellcat.....😉
"A true sports car 0-60 time of 10 seconds"
So it's as fast as a prius
A Prius is faster, cars weren't fast in the 80's lol
New Prius can hit 60 in under 7 now.
@@MPMeterman pretty crazy.
That was the Malaise Era for you. Even the 1984 Corvette barely had 200 hp. Performance on most cars finally got better later in the decade.
That's 100 more than the 500. Must be good no??
35 mpg highway is surprising
I have a 1987 Lebaron that gets about 27-28 combined mileage, there are a lot of cars from that era that are more fuel efficient than stuff today
@@triptheroadit probably helps that the car is way lighter than a lot of cars today. Less safety but better economy, I would assume.
EPA figures from back then were notoriously unrealistic.
@@zzoinks that is definitely part of it, but a big part of it today is CAFE regulations. It's impossible for car makers to make a car with a footprint this small today because the formula for fuel economy says it would have to get some crazy impossible to achieve fuel economy figure. There's a formula for wheelbase vs economy, and this is why trucks and SUVs are so popular in the US these days, the regulations literally incentivize the production of larger vehicles. Technically they can make a compact that gets 60 MPG today, but the manufacturer would have to pay a penalty, making it unprofitable. Sad really, we could have more crx sized cars that meet safety standards but they wouldn't be able to make them at a crx price point.
@@Aforementioned my 87 Lebaron gets very close to that fuel target. I've calculated it with the tripmeter too and it's within a tenth of an MPG every time
Throwback.....
These cars are more geared for people who have totally given up on life.
I haven't seen a k-car in probably 10 years. Depressing.
4:10 Who said "whizbang" then? Who says it now?