The explanations regarding blank coin refunds are not exactly correct. All numbers are off by one. For 5* you have to already have 6 cards and then roll for NP7 to be eligible. Rolling for NP6 is not enough. Same for USO refunds. You only get a refund if you exchanged a 7th or higher copy.
The original Japanese announcement: 「同一の★5(SSR)サーヴァントおよび同一の★4(SR)サーヴァントの召喚履歴」が一定数（※1）ある状態で It clearly states that you must already hold 6 cards and then roll again to be eligible. Which makes sense because the 7th card will be useless under the new fixes while the 6th will still give you one more append.
@@-sui- I don't see how this contradicts what we said. Unless the translation is off, it clearly states below that how many are necessary. Also, NP7 won't be useless. People were already rolling NP7 so they wouldn't have to bond farm, and that won't change. It will be pointless once they hit bond 12, but again, that's how it has been up until now.
39:00 Ryou has a good point here about getting the pitchforks out at Lasagna specifically. I remember vaguely that Aniplex were being stingy about the SSR servant ticket or something of the like a while back, and Type Moon had to step in personally to greenlight what Lasengle was trying to give out. This is just something I heard from others though, IDK myself but it does track
What I remember was Kanou saying on stream that he had to fight for the SSR ticket and it took some time to convince the higher-ups to let them put it in.
lasengle are just an easy blame victim. For anyone whos been in a workplace long enough to matter enough to be asked if something is a good idea but not important enough to actually change an opinion that's probably where most of lasengle is compared to typemoon and aniplex. Monetization is definitely from aniplex and even stuff like animation updates and character buffs have to be approved by Type moon.... i even see people shitting on Lasengle because of the lack of interludes... like fuck me why don't you get mad at their boss nasu and his writing room? These are the guys who have turned interludes from "oh look there's an enemy in the simulator" to 30-60 minutes of content.
Nah only the coins themselves are bad. Being able to grail to lv120 is nice. The appends are helpful. The bad thing is that they are all gated by the coins and how annoying or expensive it is to get coins.
Yeah it was a disaster when I could Koyan/Skadi loop off one copy of k-scope after hitting bond 6 instead of needed to pull 5 copies. You do realize that until Castoria and especially Oberon that Superscope was literally the pinnacle of power in FGO. Seeing a support list with 5+ superscopes was a total what a whale moment back in the day.... That has only switched to Black Grail in the last 4 years.... I have a f2p jp account (started on Morgan's banner) that has pulled over 40 ssrs, has all the main supports outside of quick and only pulled 2 copies of black grail.... It took 3 years for something requiring more than bond 6 on an ssr and it only went down bad because they tried to be greedy as fuck.
@@ryanwest6035 At least the situation is pretty controllable for SSR, NP1 bond 6 for 1 append ain't bad. It sucks HARD for SR though, if you only have NP1 you need like bond 11 to unlock a single append.
The joke about Xu Fu is that she can't properly support Yu Meiren who she stans. It's entirely possible that they'll somehow manage to make her Summer version unable to support Yu Meiren in a different way, though I'm not sure if I need her to be Arts support again. 25:10 Would you say the _Servant Universe_ doesn't want it to happen? 29:20 To be precise, "Using hindsight as a game of RPS" here was originally "sneering at people while throwing late in RPS". 1:05:31 A clarification for Ryou's benefit just in case: the star bomb happens as long as any Star attribute ally is around. Lawful/Good allies being supported don't need to be Star attribute, though it is convenient. 1:19:35 Asclepios' buff also means he can sub for Xu Fu in farming parties if you only need 20% battery. 1:30:00 Not a RAITA fan, but I did roll on that Saber Ibuki banner. I already had Medea Lily 3 months after I started somehow, but that banner pushed her up to NP4. Can you imagine if they buffed her S3 again to make it AoE 3T with AoE hit-based Damage Cut and NP charge to Medea Lily when it's used up? 1:41:48 She doesn't benefit, but it's a fitting effect given the NP animation has her drowning her opponents. So it's more of a lore buff. 3:11:50 Frankly I'm expecting Ciel to be a Buster Foreigner.
Wait, half my comment disappeared when I edited it. Actually everything beyond the first paragraph disappears every time I try to edit it. I'm gonna have to go back and try to figure out what I typed earlier in the podcast. EDIT: I think I've fixed it now. Hopefully.
@@darkdrac7012 Lasagna has a fear of doing successful moves God bless you if Lartoria Alter Summer is real and if they do a reverse bunny suit, now is your fault I have the mental image of such greatness, I will cope from now on
The only thing that can heal my broken heart after seeing that UNHINGED Assclap buff would be for Medea Lily to get a Skill 1 buff to grant the whole party the power to overheal (not max HP buff; literal overheal). What did my precious, quaint little grailed SR Caster healer ever do to you, Lasagna?
@40:50 NP5 max is now a viable stopping point now like Ryou says. Just fully invest in one append and swap between the 5 appends depending on your needs.
For whales, yeah. For light spender or lucksacks though, NP3 is the optimal stopping point since now with Bond 15 you can get both level 120 and 3 Appends unlocked. It should fill the need of most Servants
I don’t get Plushie’s doomerism over Summer Koyan. I think she’s almost a lock for SSR banner 2. She’s very popular. Maybe it’s because I’m hoping she’s not going to be a summer unit, but I see it as inevitable.
Its cuz the previous months has been.... Rough for FGO and iirc the only thing he really looked forward to was anni(which was a shitshow) and Summer Koyan. Then he got absolutely buttblasted by Ciel in summer instead of Eresh, Eresh turned out to be the anni servant(which makes them think annis are going to be the other Summer slot) and while not as harsh he go jebaited by the possibility of Koyami buff in the rank ups
Hey Otto I have idea for EP 47. Coul you guys react to" The Atrocious Gacha Review | Fate/Grand Order" by Pseychie ? I think he made good job to review FGO and point out many cons which FGO had.
@@Ottobean ok, yes, it isn't possible now unless you have a ton of copies. But we can still look to the future when theoretically that won't be an issue. Being the best at something, for a few months, when we have been told it will be fixed, isn't exactly going to factor into my overall rating much
The explanations regarding blank coin refunds are not exactly correct. All numbers are off by one.
For 5* you have to already have 6 cards and then roll for NP7 to be eligible. Rolling for NP6 is not enough.
Same for USO refunds. You only get a refund if you exchanged a 7th or higher copy.
do you have a source for this? I can't find anything that states this
The original Japanese announcement: 「同一の★5(SSR)サーヴァントおよび同一の★4(SR)サーヴァントの召喚履歴」が一定数（※1）ある状態で
It clearly states that you must already hold 6 cards and then roll again to be eligible. Which makes sense because the 7th card will be useless under the new fixes while the 6th will still give you one more append.
To be super pedantic, it says that you must have a summoning history of 6 times or more for 5 stars.
@@-sui- I don't see how this contradicts what we said. Unless the translation is off, it clearly states below that how many are necessary.
Also, NP7 won't be useless. People were already rolling NP7 so they wouldn't have to bond farm, and that won't change. It will be pointless once they hit bond 12, but again, that's how it has been up until now.
@@-sui- I can see how this could be interpreted either way, given the translation. I would probably want to run it by someone who speaks the language.
27:20
For some godforsaken reason FUCKING EDISON doesn't have Animal Characteristics, you know, the guy with a freakin Lion head
39:00 Ryou has a good point here about getting the pitchforks out at Lasagna specifically. I remember vaguely that Aniplex were being stingy about the SSR servant ticket or something of the like a while back, and Type Moon had to step in personally to greenlight what Lasengle was trying to give out. This is just something I heard from others though, IDK myself but it does track
What I remember was Kanou saying on stream that he had to fight for the SSR ticket and it took some time to convince the higher-ups to let them put it in.
lasengle are just an easy blame victim.
For anyone whos been in a workplace long enough to matter enough to be asked if something is a good idea but not important enough to actually change an opinion that's probably where most of lasengle is compared to typemoon and aniplex.
Monetization is definitely from aniplex and even stuff like animation updates and character buffs have to be approved by Type moon.... i even see people shitting on Lasengle because of the lack of interludes... like fuck me why don't you get mad at their boss nasu and his writing room? These are the guys who have turned interludes from "oh look there's an enemy in the simulator" to 30-60 minutes of content.
The Coin System and its consequences have been a disaster for FGO.
And they could fix it overnight by just copying Blue Archive. Too much pride, I suppose.
Nah only the coins themselves are bad. Being able to grail to lv120 is nice. The appends are helpful. The bad thing is that they are all gated by the coins and how annoying or expensive it is to get coins.
Yeah it was a disaster when I could Koyan/Skadi loop off one copy of k-scope after hitting bond 6 instead of needed to pull 5 copies.
You do realize that until Castoria and especially Oberon that Superscope was literally the pinnacle of power in FGO. Seeing a support list with 5+ superscopes was a total what a whale moment back in the day....
That has only switched to Black Grail in the last 4 years.... I have a f2p jp account (started on Morgan's banner) that has pulled over 40 ssrs, has all the main supports outside of quick and only pulled 2 copies of black grail....
It took 3 years for something requiring more than bond 6 on an ssr and it only went down bad because they tried to be greedy as fuck.
@@ryanwest6035 At least the situation is pretty controllable for SSR, NP1 bond 6 for 1 append ain't bad. It sucks HARD for SR though, if you only have NP1 you need like bond 11 to unlock a single append.
Plushie avatar... Copium is real!
The joke about Xu Fu is that she can't properly support Yu Meiren who she stans. It's entirely possible that they'll somehow manage to make her Summer version unable to support Yu Meiren in a different way, though I'm not sure if I need her to be Arts support again.
25:10 Would you say the _Servant Universe_ doesn't want it to happen?
29:20 To be precise, "Using hindsight as a game of RPS" here was originally "sneering at people while throwing late in RPS".
1:05:31 A clarification for Ryou's benefit just in case: the star bomb happens as long as any Star attribute ally is around. Lawful/Good allies being supported don't need to be Star attribute, though it is convenient.
1:19:35 Asclepios' buff also means he can sub for Xu Fu in farming parties if you only need 20% battery.
1:30:00 Not a RAITA fan, but I did roll on that Saber Ibuki banner. I already had Medea Lily 3 months after I started somehow, but that banner pushed her up to NP4. Can you imagine if they buffed her S3 again to make it AoE 3T with AoE hit-based Damage Cut and NP charge to Medea Lily when it's used up?
1:41:48 She doesn't benefit, but it's a fitting effect given the NP animation has her drowning her opponents. So it's more of a lore buff.
3:11:50 Frankly I'm expecting Ciel to be a Buster Foreigner.
Wait, half my comment disappeared when I edited it. Actually everything beyond the first paragraph disappears every time I try to edit it. I'm gonna have to go back and try to figure out what I typed earlier in the podcast.
EDIT: I think I've fixed it now. Hopefully.
Wait I just noticed that Plushie has a Delphox body pillow! WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!
It will get crazier in 2 days.
Summer Larthoria Alter and Summer Arcueid are coming.
Summer Arc maybe, but why Summer Lartoria Alter? (I mean, I hope you're right)
@someoneelse4939 I mean, we are long due for a reverse bunny avenger milftoria. Even more long due than summer Eresh.
@@darkdrac7012 Fair enough
@@darkdrac7012 Lasagna has a fear of doing successful moves
God bless you if Lartoria Alter Summer is real and if they do a reverse bunny suit, now is your fault I have the mental image of such greatness, I will cope from now on
Is this a leak or a cope?
The neco arc prediction at 26:39 was funny lol
The title 💀
The comments 💀
The only thing that can heal my broken heart after seeing that UNHINGED Assclap buff would be for Medea Lily to get a Skill 1 buff to grant the whole party the power to overheal (not max HP buff; literal overheal).
What did my precious, quaint little grailed SR Caster healer ever do to you, Lasagna?
why do they have to make regular 4 star 30 coin per copie instead of 50 like limited 4 star… just why
Because you’ll get more of them randomly, surely. Just keep rolling bro, it’s not like I’ve never gotten a Zerkalot or anything.
@@Tatian4191I know the feeling bro. I have had 5 accounts across both servers and I still haven't gotten a nursery rhyme
Any chance @Ottobean can timestamp the podcasts? Good podcast regardless
I summon thee! Time Stamp Commentor~( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
no plugsuit t1 for more than 3t TA is nice :)
Oh hey, I'm listening to this again and they did talk about Neco-Arc in Ciel's animations lol
@40:50 NP5 max is now a viable stopping point now like Ryou says. Just fully invest in one append and swap between the 5 appends depending on your needs.
For whales, yeah. For light spender or lucksacks though, NP3 is the optimal stopping point since now with Bond 15 you can get both level 120 and 3 Appends unlocked. It should fill the need of most Servants
now the Gong/Hans/Assclap comp is even stronger >:)
45:00 the waifu "arrow size" discussion
I don’t get Plushie’s doomerism over Summer Koyan. I think she’s almost a lock for SSR banner 2. She’s very popular.
Maybe it’s because I’m hoping she’s not going to be a summer unit, but I see it as inevitable.
Even if she doesn't get in this year, it could absolutely be next year.
Its cuz the previous months has been.... Rough for FGO and iirc the only thing he really looked forward to was anni(which was a shitshow) and Summer Koyan.
Then he got absolutely buttblasted by Ciel in summer instead of Eresh, Eresh turned out to be the anni servant(which makes them think annis are going to be the other Summer slot) and while not as harsh he go jebaited by the possibility of Koyami buff in the rank ups
Hey Otto I have idea for EP 47. Coul you guys react to" The Atrocious Gacha Review | Fate/Grand Order" by Pseychie ?
I think he made good job to review FGO and point out many cons which FGO had.
What was that CE that Plushie mentioned?
Any chance we could maybe get these smobcasts on Spotify?
I'm hoping for Summer Koyan purely because it increases the chances of Summer Beni popping up alongside her.
50:50 gfous scale better with non zerkers because it's a flat increase
Guess who has Neko Arc in their animation 😂
2:48:27 You dare slander my queen Morgan you divorced furry 😤 (Morgan simps probably, not me ofc)
Have you tried Summer Ibuki no plug though? She also works with Atlas to double up damage and charge skills
sorry, I'm too busy not getting crit by alteregos
@@Ottobean ok, yes, it isn't possible now unless you have a ton of copies. But we can still look to the future when theoretically that won't be an issue. Being the best at something, for a few months, when we have been told it will be fixed, isn't exactly going to factor into my overall rating much
I'm kind of surprised that the game records what specific coins you use to make grails. Talk about covering your ass.
Did you just call Ciel a ripoff of Mash, when Ciel came first?
yea the whale hate is not really justified
hehe, eresh has big arrow energy
no summer koyan lol. we will have Summer Neko-Arc or the Eco-Arc one for the loli lovers
Plush is coping hard.
The Ciel hate is out of control.
I forgot how they do things for summer. Do they reveal the remaining servants tommorow?
@@JohnnyJustice777 Most likely.
fgo is dead
The game died for years, It technically a zombie now 😅
cringe
Then how is it still here?
@@orga7777 Battle Continuation
And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?