They should revamp the whole healing dps design. In fact, im gonna go through this whole fucking expansion as a healer not doing a single point of dps.
“In order to make players press less buttons we merge 2 spells into one (kc and flanking strike) and force players to create a macro to cancel it, if they don’t want to charge. So now you ll have 2 buttons instead of 2! Oh wait…”
Hot take: DPS healing is a good thing, and healers should be removed. There are so few healers, they basically create a barrier of entry for M+ and arenas. It'll piss of healer mains, but would DRASTICALLY reduce the solo shuffle queue times and LFG for arena which I think would actually make more people play because they're not stuck playing "queue simulator". Or just add a dps only Solo Shuffle & add new SS only talents for dps healing or something.
@landrybt thank you for the low IQ take, great discussion points. "Hhurrrr durrr fix haelrrs". As a former healer main, I can safely say I rarely "Had fun" healing, it was just always in demand so I did it. Remove the demand, and I think it'll out balance the few actual healer mains from my my comment.
@landrybt Healers have ALWAYS been in demand, much like tanks. Even when healers were "fun", they were in demand. The main thing I'm advocating for is SS with dps only, (exactly how skirmishes are currently). Shamans/locks (except in Wrath) have always been underplayed even when "Subjectively fun". Your argument is non-existent.
@@zak8991 You're right, better to complain on WoW forums for 12 years about a subjective concept like "fun". Do you want to know how an intellectual comes up with ideas? They brainstorm, they don't say "haeler no fun durrr". I'm just spitballing ideas that could potentially work, not that I expect an average player to understand. Or a zoomer using the term "cookin".
fuck those survival changes .... they are so bad, like it was only 1 hunter spec that was not depended on pet that much in PVP, now its going to end up worst PVP spec from all hunter classes due the changes ... Earthbind Totem > Hunter
finally someone else understands how badly blizz fucked survival all we press is Kill command now gg if ure pet is CC'd u will do zero damage lol we just a melee BM hunter now
I think supa is kinda overeacting on the templar change for Sacrosanct Crusade as rets have been STRUGGLING a lot with survivability. Herald of the Sun which had the best survivability options out of the two got hit with a big nerf so it would be reasonable to at least give something like that on the templar side.
Facts I watched lvladens pvp duels and it was sad to see it was so bad I decided not to buy beta access I was waiting for changes like this but I still think it needs a slow and maybe a lil more damage on lights hammer or something it's kinda lacking bad
Exactly. Sadly people always overeact to Ret changes and get instantly triggered when ret has good defensives and is not the kill target in every scenario. Meanwhile locks/mages with hundreds of shields ans passive dmg reduction, druids with insane self healing and now hunters too, off course, but thats ok...
@@diegost2112 Yes we are at a point where warlocks and boomies are straight up tanks with shit tons of armor and defensives. Even a mage is way harder to kill than a ret and ofc when ret gets some love ppl are going out of their way to point out how broken its gonna be. I am excited about tww tho ngl with these templar changes + HOPEFULLY enha shamman gonna get some love. They been in the gutter for like 10 years now
@diegost2112 facts man I got one think to say duel a affliction lock shit is insane how many barriers and heals they got and I agree even hunters passive healing n stuff is kinda crazy not to be a hybrid I be looking at details and they be doing 3 times the healing off nothing like wtf
TLDR for the surv hunters - no gap closer on the spearhead and no steel trap, so you we won’t be able to kite melees and we won’t be able to catch casters at the same time - every ability is breaking cc, good luck playing with rogue/mage etc - spam kill command, which we always didn’t like and pressed it only to generate focus - talking about “less buttons” - don’t forget to create a cancel flanking strike macro, so you ll be able to press kill command from range, when you don’t want to charge in Yeah, massive “w” for us
The self sustain nerf is terrible , is noticable people like supa or ven did the recommendations , this people think healers want to be chasing the DPS to heal it all time and eat cc all the game cause is the win condition . They high self sustain allows healer to go do some damage and cc to be focused more on dps than healers along aliviating healer work , cause at the end of the day most healers at least on solo shuffle are frustrated DPS that gotta go healer to even play. So expect long queues because healing is terrible , getting cc all time , sweating to spam heals or when dps go out of range like warriors heroic leap behind a pillar chasing enemies . This people wanna make pvp into a awc , that boring, when there's one shots or fun they cry for nerfs , dragonflight pvp was horrible , I preferred 100 times the pvp meme shadowlands s1 was , with the one shots , and random convokes , was actually fun , not this they doing .
I must be confused… who thought removing our ‘bloat’ on surv which were really fun abilities that fit well into the movement and rotation of the class and instead they want us to press kill command 100 times a game? I’d rather have bloat and agency over what I press rather than breaking my finger spamming 3. Terrible changes. If they want to fix bloat on hunter Fix pet ai
Yeah feels really bad to lose it I wish they showed MM and BM more love too cause it feels like Surv is getting all the love now and pretty much none of the feedback given in the forums for MM and BM was heard
FDK changes had me screaming YES in the bathroom lol. Now if they could just move some damage from KM oblitirate into normal oblitirate I would be so happy. Also fix the cleaving strikes. But this is so good. Thank you for this changes
Can you imagine working at blizzard and spending the last few weeks crunching hard on an insane rework for survival hunters and having to listen to the community complain constantly that blizzard doesn’t care about hunters? If everything since 10.0 has told us anything it’s that blizzard still isn’t perfect but that they’ve made leaps and bounds of progress. They’re listening.
@@DanielSmith-r3t nobody? I’ve seen a lot of people saying they’re super happy with it. I’ve tried hunter several times especially survival and never been able to enjoy it but I’ve loved what I’ve tested on the beta so far and these changes announced today largely address the remaining issue or two I didn’t like.
@@The_Fictionist the whole spec revolves around kill command we are just melee BM now its fkn terrible man wait till people realize survival does zero damage if there pet is CC'd terrible terrible rework from a long time survival player
@user-vm8tz8lr4n I mean, isn't survival supposed to be rexxar? A melee beastmaster.... personally I fucking love the sv changes. Feels really fucking good in pvp. Pet cc is always a thing when playing a pet class.
LoL.....they increase the dmg buff but the playstyle is so fucken boring.... How can you drop a new expansion and have the same fucken playstyle?.... How is any of that new.. Even Tarisland 4 button is better.😂😂😂😂
Its about damn time for paladin taking mana cost way down for wod and flash of light and for the shield of vengeance talent in the templar tree and im absolutely loving judge jury executioner 3 cleave final verdicts at 100% is lovely finally will have demon hunter cleave damage or elemental shaman or chaos bolt locks
Holy paladins still do garbonzo damage. The only thing doing damage is lightsmith sacred sword. If you dont have that hero talents than you do 1/8th the damage of a tank, its so sad its even pointless to press damage buttons. Golden path talent and judgement of light heals for abyssmal numbers that these needs a serious buff along with judgement damage to make it feel nice to press the buttons. And still have to stand in consecration to buff word of glory by 20%. And why would you want to press consecration unless you play lightsmith? Holy paladin is fun to play but it still needs a little bit more to hit that sweetspot
The fact that they Surv has a skill called SIc'Em ill be maining it again like i did in Season 3 lol. So for me Resto Druid/Arcane mage and Surv hunter!
so blizzard just wants ppl to play arcane instead of fire? fire is going to need single target buffs for pvp. the aoe nerfs are whatever it was a cool idea to bring living bomb back but it was never gunna last, just let people do dmg in single target for pvp with a couple of living bomb procs it isn't that hard to make it plausible
I dunno frost dk still doesn't seem like it does a tier damage after the patch. what needs to be done is to take pillar and bake it into obliterate, frost strike, or howling blast such that every 3rd cast you get the damage boost
lol survival been nerfed into the ground with these changes and soon as someone cc's your pet u cant do anything...EVERYTHING revolves around kill command wich is just awful
You misunderstood the frost changes. Icecap is just a raw 15 sec reduced cd now, nothing else will reduce it. To compensate, all frost damage increase to make it less reliant on pillar windows.
So pvp will be even more like pve with the extra cleave for some classes (icy veins bolts fire at 2 targets? Its almost like they dont want us to setup a poly on a healer while bursting and instead just pve it down..)
They just hate set up comps. They need to give blind,poly and hex the same love as fear or make fear also break with as little damage, only exception I think should be coil fear duration. Also clone needs either a cd, to break on damage, or able to be dispelled.
leech? that's the least of the problems it's the hard casted heals as well as the percent heals. especially every single heal that mages and warlocks have access to
Worst thing for me is removing buttons that are fun for pruning button bloat. Death Chakram had a unique and interesting visual - far nicer than 90% of hunter abilities. I’d rather lose steady shot or something =/
@@eugenesternin6039 maybe with the increased defencives, new mastery and stronger abilities we will be able to fight them better up-front, instead of having to kite?
Dude.....dude....holy cow did Frost get buffed! Wowwwww. Good for them. The last class that needed buffs was Warriors. But Blizz love their mongo derps.
I absolutely love it! As a Hunter / Warrior main I love the changes for both classes. Especially the Survival changes, this spec will be hard to avoid lol
I honestly think the changes to dps specs’ self healing isn’t a good one. If DPS can be more self reliant it frees up healers to do other things than just heal which could then help inform design decisions to make healers more of a support/dps role. Are healers even happy with this change? Were they even asking for this?
The ret deff changes are fine for me, its class fantasy. Its a big pumpa light warrior. Its nice that they shift to more healer responsibility and its ok to have a class/specc thats good on their own.
as a shaman main i roll my eyes every time i see shamans non-existent in changes. yeah they can be effective, but the gameplay is boring as hell. the fact they think they're on track makes me die a little every time i check for something
My concern with survival with all the kill command resets is the fact that kill command generates focus so I'm worried that we'll run into situations where we are already capped on focus and yet are still spamming kill command to spend/fish for procs
Did they fire the mage and rogue mains that are in charge of pvp? Can this truly be the expansion where warriors don't get nerfed to oblivion the first season🤔
Pretty sure every class/spec has at least one token ability from shadowlands and for some reason blizzard thought it smart to remove a standard across the board for this one class? smh
On the one hand I want them to take their time with the Shaman rework, on the other I feel like the longer it takes the less time we'll have for them to address feedback. Our defensive have been BS for sooo many years it makes me feel like they are just rearranging the talent tree.
I wonder if they'll finally allow Enhancement shamans to wield 2 handers again. Now's their chance. If we're getting a rework, then now is the time to allow this.
Ret looks to be lacking on the juggernaut damage at the moment but survivability got a lil better with this still think Templar needs more damage and a slow or more mobility maybe even a ms or armor pen attack
@@DanielSmith-r3t It just means ya need to pay more attention to what is going on within any given pull, that's all. Leech does jack all on keys where you die to unavoidable dmg that one shots you. And everything else is basically just a skill issue, positional errors and lack of proper CC / interrupts on key targets for the most part. Not to mention how many times i see dps players not use defensives when they should.
Deleted all my characters, uninstalled the game and will never return for any reason but I do find your videos the most entertaining and informative. I watch streamers like Pikaboo rip high-level PvP as well.
Blizz ruined survival spec was soo much better before this trash rework, the class tree is awesome but they cooked survival...Kill command is such a shit ability to press because 90% of the time your pet is rooted by some BS in pvp so and they have baked everything into kill command this is just not it blizz please revert this trash. also lost a gap closer in spearhead....what the actual fuck are blizz thinking and then on top of it all they remove flanking strike....why...why...why whoever thought this was a good idea needs find a new job.
Wow they removed glimmer.... to buff light of dawn.... blizzard is brain dead.... remember is Legion when you would go to the leaderboards and you see all the specs and classes represented in reasonable numbers I remember..... the leader board for war within will be rogue mage warriors monks demon hunter and resto druids oh and fem boy dragons.... bruh the fem boy dragons man these people I'm not going to give them money for trash
You cant tell me Fluid Form should be a talent. There are literally macros that do the talent... it's just another wasted talent pretending to be QoL but it actually adds more buttons lmfao. I'll tell you right now, if Blizzard removes those macros from the game, I won't be playing a druid ever again.
Fluid form saves you a GCD since it costs a global to shift into a form. Dash, roar, and kick are the only ones off the GCD. You could have a macro but you still have to press it twice to hit an ability other than those. Althought the talent is mediocre for all specs other than resto and Druid of the Claw ferals/guardians tbh
!!TIMESTAMPS HERE!!
01:48 Frost DK
02:34 DH
02:41 Druid
03:58 Hunter
09:10 Mage
12:49 Monk
13:30 Paladin
17:41 Priest
18:04 Rogue
20:10 Shaman
21:05 Warlock
21:34 Warrior
22:59 PvP Overall Changes
Thank you man
@@timjo5956 no problem 🤙🏻
Thx xD
True mvp here
They should revamp the whole healing dps design.
In fact, im gonna go through this whole fucking expansion as a healer not doing a single point of dps.
“In order to make players press less buttons we merge 2 spells into one (kc and flanking strike) and force players to create a macro to cancel it, if they don’t want to charge. So now you ll have 2 buttons instead of 2! Oh wait…”
They really need to do something about the pvp feelings extremely slow
They literally are. Did you watch the video?
Death Chakram 😭😭😭😭😭
Hot take: DPS healing is a good thing, and healers should be removed. There are so few healers, they basically create a barrier of entry for M+ and arenas. It'll piss of healer mains, but would DRASTICALLY reduce the solo shuffle queue times and LFG for arena which I think would actually make more people play because they're not stuck playing "queue simulator". Or just add a dps only Solo Shuffle & add new SS only talents for dps healing or something.
@landrybt thank you for the low IQ take, great discussion points. "Hhurrrr durrr fix haelrrs".
As a former healer main, I can safely say I rarely "Had fun" healing, it was just always in demand so I did it. Remove the demand, and I think it'll out balance the few actual healer mains from my my comment.
Just remove PvP. There more people playing PvE then PvP. So you are the one with low IQ here 😂😂😂
@landrybt Bro thinks he's cookin
"I rarely had fun healing" is a crazy thing to say as evidence to remove healers from the game
@landrybt Healers have ALWAYS been in demand, much like tanks. Even when healers were "fun", they were in demand. The main thing I'm advocating for is SS with dps only, (exactly how skirmishes are currently). Shamans/locks (except in Wrath) have always been underplayed even when "Subjectively fun". Your argument is non-existent.
@@zak8991 You're right, better to complain on WoW forums for 12 years about a subjective concept like "fun". Do you want to know how an intellectual comes up with ideas? They brainstorm, they don't say "haeler no fun durrr". I'm just spitballing ideas that could potentially work, not that I expect an average player to understand. Or a zoomer using the term "cookin".
Time stamps my man - put some love into it
Yeah, legit clicked off because I only care about 2 classes and other content creators have stamps.
go read it yourself?
Same. No time stamp, i leave. It's minimal effort@RootSwing1191
Or don't be lazy and just skip ahead
Yea no time stamps and I’m out
Bro I saw the SHAMAN change before you started talking and legit almost cried - Thank God you said. Rework is coming 😂
I'll wait until I see it
LoL.....their new rework means move 1 talent from 1 side to another side....😂😂😂😂 This expansion is fucked.
@NY-qb5bq BRO YOU SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME - I thought this was for the end changes
fuck those survival changes .... they are so bad, like it was only 1 hunter spec that was not depended on pet that much in PVP, now its going to end up worst PVP spec from all hunter classes due the changes ... Earthbind Totem > Hunter
finally someone else understands how badly blizz fucked survival all we press is Kill command now gg if ure pet is CC'd u will do zero damage lol we just a melee BM hunter now
Hidden buff to unholy DK: Frost Fever damage increased by 23%, and it's already PUMPING
Don't be happy for that, blizzard will over nerf the spec if it's too good.
It’s not hidden. It’s just for frost.
Feel like this already was on the beta it’s been unholys top damage for a couple weeks now breaking meters
@@theflyest6595 Changes to frost fever apply to unholy via superstrain
@@iVibeBruh Seems that way, I’ve seen that as well
Warrior Main again here 🤙🏾
Colossing time yeeeee
SMF fury slayer.. hope its okay
I think supa is kinda overeacting on the templar change for Sacrosanct Crusade as rets have been STRUGGLING a lot with survivability. Herald of the Sun which had the best survivability options out of the two got hit with a big nerf so it would be reasonable to at least give something like that on the templar side.
Facts I watched lvladens pvp duels and it was sad to see it was so bad I decided not to buy beta access I was waiting for changes like this but I still think it needs a slow and maybe a lil more damage on lights hammer or something it's kinda lacking bad
Exactly. Sadly people always overeact to Ret changes and get instantly triggered when ret has good defensives and is not the kill target in every scenario. Meanwhile locks/mages with hundreds of shields ans passive dmg reduction, druids with insane self healing and now hunters too, off course, but thats ok...
@@diegost2112 Yes we are at a point where warlocks and boomies are straight up tanks with shit tons of armor and defensives. Even a mage is way harder to kill than a ret and ofc when ret gets some love ppl are going out of their way to point out how broken its gonna be. I am excited about tww tho ngl with these templar changes + HOPEFULLY enha shamman gonna get some love. They been in the gutter for like 10 years now
@diegost2112 facts man I got one think to say duel a affliction lock shit is insane how many barriers and heals they got and I agree even hunters passive healing n stuff is kinda crazy not to be a hybrid I be looking at details and they be doing 3 times the healing off nothing like wtf
TLDR for the surv hunters
- no gap closer on the spearhead and no steel trap, so you we won’t be able to kite melees and we won’t be able to catch casters at the same time
- every ability is breaking cc, good luck playing with rogue/mage etc
- spam kill command, which we always didn’t like and pressed it only to generate focus
- talking about “less buttons” - don’t forget to create a cancel flanking strike macro, so you ll be able to press kill command from range, when you don’t want to charge in
Yeah, massive “w” for us
my man speaking truth
If flanking strike does not benefit from all the kill command procs - just reroll at this point.
Is war within going to make bicmex quit the game? The last high rated survival hunter
@@eliotness107 I’m waiting for his reaction, don’t think he’ll reroll, but definitely less ppl will play it if this will go life
I was excited for surv with the talent changes, but yeah that didnt last long
no one better to go to for updates you are fast af boiiii
I have been so desparate for a shaman rework. Enhance has been a joke for years now.
The self sustain nerf is terrible , is noticable people like supa or ven did the recommendations , this people think healers want to be chasing the DPS to heal it all time and eat cc all the game cause is the win condition .
They high self sustain allows healer to go do some damage and cc to be focused more on dps than healers along aliviating healer work , cause at the end of the day most healers at least on solo shuffle are frustrated DPS that gotta go healer to even play.
So expect long queues because healing is terrible , getting cc all time , sweating to spam heals or when dps go out of range like warriors heroic leap behind a pillar chasing enemies .
This people wanna make pvp into a awc , that boring, when there's one shots or fun they cry for nerfs , dragonflight pvp was horrible , I preferred 100 times the pvp meme shadowlands s1 was , with the one shots , and random convokes , was actually fun , not this they doing .
I must be confused… who thought removing our ‘bloat’ on surv which were really fun abilities that fit well into the movement and rotation of the class and instead they want us to press kill command 100 times a game? I’d rather have bloat and agency over what I press rather than breaking my finger spamming 3. Terrible changes. If they want to fix bloat on hunter Fix pet ai
Rest in peace Death Chakram, I hope they bring back Glaive Toss at some point, that was a fun ability to press
Imo good, less button to press, not losing potential damage cuz embedded in other sources. More sustain dmg vs burst window
@@ALONG_RS22 Totally agree, the changes to pillar of frost for DK mirror this philosophy change, and it's a good change
Yeah feels really bad to lose it I wish they showed MM and BM more love too cause it feels like Surv is getting all the love now and pretty much none of the feedback given in the forums for MM and BM was heard
Agreed. I love the Death Chakram removal bur we need Glaive Toss back right now!
terrible change that ability was so good, you could even throw it on rogues and see where they run when they are stealthed.
FDK changes had me screaming YES in the bathroom lol.
Now if they could just move some damage from KM oblitirate into normal oblitirate I would be so happy.
Also fix the cleaving strikes.
But this is so good. Thank you for this changes
Does that mean overpower buffed by 50%?
yes
56% actually)
No time stamps no thumbs-up.
Can you imagine working at blizzard and spending the last few weeks crunching hard on an insane rework for survival hunters and having to listen to the community complain constantly that blizzard doesn’t care about hunters? If everything since 10.0 has told us anything it’s that blizzard still isn’t perfect but that they’ve made leaps and bounds of progress. They’re listening.
they ruined survival though having everything baked in kill command is terrible nobody likes it
@@DanielSmith-r3t nobody? I’ve seen a lot of people saying they’re super happy with it. I’ve tried hunter several times especially survival and never been able to enjoy it but I’ve loved what I’ve tested on the beta so far and these changes announced today largely address the remaining issue or two I didn’t like.
Survival blows
@@The_Fictionist the whole spec revolves around kill command we are just melee BM now its fkn terrible man wait till people realize survival does zero damage if there pet is CC'd terrible terrible rework from a long time survival player
@user-vm8tz8lr4n I mean, isn't survival supposed to be rexxar? A melee beastmaster.... personally I fucking love the sv changes. Feels really fucking good in pvp. Pet cc is always a thing when playing a pet class.
So again because pve is over tuned its gonna make pvp feel bad.
In high keys I play as a healer. In every key level below 12-13, I play as a dps pretending to be a healer.
This gives me some hope for balance, I love my laser chicken
LoL.....they increase the dmg buff but the playstyle is so fucken boring....
How can you drop a new expansion and have the same fucken playstyle?.... How is any of that new..
Even Tarisland 4 button is better.😂😂😂😂
Its about damn time for paladin taking mana cost way down for wod and flash of light and for the shield of vengeance talent in the templar tree and im absolutely loving judge jury executioner 3 cleave final verdicts at 100% is lovely finally will have demon hunter cleave damage or elemental shaman or chaos bolt locks
hi do u have the link where they publish this changes i always look and never have luck. sorry for my english, not my native language.
Holy paladins still do garbonzo damage. The only thing doing damage is lightsmith sacred sword. If you dont have that hero talents than you do 1/8th the damage of a tank, its so sad its even pointless to press damage buttons.
Golden path talent and judgement of light heals for abyssmal numbers that these needs a serious buff along with judgement damage to make it feel nice to press the buttons.
And still have to stand in consecration to buff word of glory by 20%. And why would you want to press consecration unless you play lightsmith?
Holy paladin is fun to play but it still needs a little bit more to hit that sweetspot
I love how ppl complain about some classes, like how OP they are and then blizz just nerf it from HERO to SHIT (nop not zero :D)
The fact that they Surv has a skill called SIc'Em ill be maining it again like i did in Season 3 lol. So for me Resto Druid/Arcane mage and Surv hunter!
so blizzard just wants ppl to play arcane instead of fire? fire is going to need single target buffs for pvp. the aoe nerfs are whatever it was a cool idea to bring living bomb back but it was never gunna last, just let people do dmg in single target for pvp with a couple of living bomb procs it isn't that hard to make it plausible
Bro enhance needs love
I am praying that frost dk will finally be A or S tier. We have been forgotten in the trash for the past 3-4 expansions
I am glad to see glimmer go. It wasn’t a fun mechanic. daybreak was also just button bloat not really fun either
Winners and Losers? Seems like Frost DK and SV Hun got buffed. Fire Mage nerfed.
Loser Shaman...
I dunno frost dk still doesn't seem like it does a tier damage after the patch.
what needs to be done is to take pillar and bake it into obliterate, frost strike, or howling blast such that every 3rd cast you get the damage boost
lol survival been nerfed into the ground with these changes and soon as someone cc's your pet u cant do anything...EVERYTHING revolves around kill command wich is just awful
Holy paladins are not sad because glimmer is gone, fuck glimmers. Thank you blizzard
You misunderstood the frost changes. Icecap is just a raw 15 sec reduced cd now, nothing else will reduce it. To compensate, all frost damage increase to make it less reliant on pillar windows.
Along with it granting less strength. So less power in your pillar window and more sustain
The compensation isn't the CDR. It's that PoF no longer has a STR % stack per rune spent. It's been one of the most needed changes for FDK.
Man expansion after expansion they really only know how to nerf DH leech like it’s any good in arena.
is that not a bit much for the fire mage players? everyone is just going to play arcane no? Im genuinely asking , idk anything about mage really
In beta atm fire is topping over everyone in PvE by a mile
Rip chakram 2022-2024
So pvp will be even more like pve with the extra cleave for some classes (icy veins bolts fire at 2 targets? Its almost like they dont want us to setup a poly on a healer while bursting and instead just pve it down..)
They just hate set up comps. They need to give blind,poly and hex the same love as fear or make fear also break with as little damage, only exception I think should be coil fear duration. Also clone needs either a cd, to break on damage, or able to be dispelled.
If everything is being buffed, nothing is being buffed
leech?
that's the least of the problems
it's the hard casted heals as well as the percent heals.
especially every single heal that mages and warlocks have access to
blizz have zero idea what they are doing to be honest its become even more obvious the last 2 updates
First! as the kids say!
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Second! as the grown ups say
Worst thing for me is removing buttons that are fun for pruning button bloat.
Death Chakram had a unique and interesting visual - far nicer than 90% of hunter abilities. I’d rather lose steady shot or something =/
Yey big changes. They nerfed DK again.
Doesn't really save survival on key binds because now we can take Spearhead, CA and Furry of The eagle if we wanted.
Think we gained more buttons on the Left side of the tree
How many will Hunter play? Yes😅
SV changes look sick but I'm gutted to lose Spearhead charge. 50yd charge was so dope.
Exactly! And no steel trap? How am I supposed to kite vs double melee?
@@eugenesternin6039 maybe with the increased defencives, new mastery and stronger abilities we will be able to fight them better up-front, instead of having to kite?
RIP death chakram.... goddamnit blizzard
Dude.....dude....holy cow did Frost get buffed! Wowwwww. Good for them. The last class that needed buffs was Warriors. But Blizz love their mongo derps.
Its so sad that all the classes get reworked become super fun. But not moonkin its just the same old stinky poop
Everything’s getting nerfed before release anyway, half the fun classes have already been gutted
I absolutely love it! As a Hunter / Warrior main I love the changes for both classes. Especially the Survival changes, this spec will be hard to avoid lol
I wish warrior got some utility you are almost useless as warrior to your group and arms should be able to have a better self sustain it's so poor
Second wind buff is insane lol never ending healing
im hyped about DK
Loving the DK changes
Which Tank would you recommend to a returner and tank beginner for TWW? I'm currently leveling everyone up to 70 in MoP Remix
Fire mage in pve is a Monster ……., but in pvp it feels not that good. And now the Big nerfs…..😂😂 bye bye pvp fire
I honestly think the changes to dps specs’ self healing isn’t a good one. If DPS can be more self reliant it frees up healers to do other things than just heal which could then help inform design decisions to make healers more of a support/dps role.
Are healers even happy with this change? Were they even asking for this?
Wow they have no clue. Daybreak is THE best spell for Holy Paladins. Can't believe they have removed it. What a joke.
Flanking strike makes kill command aoe
all we press is kill command such a bad rework
@@DanielSmith-r3t i feel like kill command should be a beastiality master thing
The ret deff changes are fine for me, its class fantasy. Its a big pumpa light warrior.
Its nice that they shift to more healer responsibility and its ok to have a class/specc thats good on their own.
as a shaman main i roll my eyes every time i see shamans non-existent in changes. yeah they can be effective, but the gameplay is boring as hell. the fact they think they're on track makes me die a little every time i check for something
My concern with survival with all the kill command resets is the fact that kill command generates focus so I'm worried that we'll run into situations where we are already capped on focus and yet are still spamming kill command to spend/fish for procs
Did they fire the mage and rogue mains that are in charge of pvp? Can this truly be the expansion where warriors don't get nerfed to oblivion the first season🤔
Pretty sure every class/spec has at least one token ability from shadowlands and for some reason blizzard thought it smart to remove a standard across the board for this one class? smh
On the one hand I want them to take their time with the Shaman rework, on the other I feel like the longer it takes the less time we'll have for them to address feedback. Our defensive have been BS for sooo many years it makes me feel like they are just rearranging the talent tree.
Blizz really waited 8 years since release of legion to give all the love for us survivals
Love? We lost charge on the spearhead and no steel trap - good luck kiting vs double melee.
This is massive loss for surv
@@eugenesternin6039 no body seems to understand how badly they ruined survival and we lost charge on flanking strike aswell wtf are blizz thinking
@@DanielSmith-r3t only ppl, who don’t play surv, think it’s a good update. The spec is so gutted, I’m thinking to reroll tbh
Blizz should remove flanking strike and leave death chakram instead
How can they note communicate about shamans… Elemental is totally broken
Warrior wohooooo
Lol nerf Evoker Leech even though they have one of the worst Def in the game
I wonder if they'll finally allow Enhancement shamans to wield 2 handers again. Now's their chance. If we're getting a rework, then now is the time to allow this.
why.. windfury is gimmick now
how the F is this a win for survival hunters in PvP?
Nooooooooooooooo my 50yrd spearhead charge is gone!!!!!!😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Love this vid
I don’t have to scroll on wowhead
Crazy to think that people thought hunters had too many buttons
Chakrams were sick, and rip steel trap for PvP
Survival had insane bloat but MM and BM needed more buttons so im torn on the changes
Rip living bomb build you will be missed💔
They need to remove button bloat for holy pallies. Give is wings on a 1 min cd like ret
Crusade exists
Are Havoc DH, Warriors, and Ret strong in PvP in TWW? New player
Ret looks to be lacking on the juggernaut damage at the moment but survivability got a lil better with this still think Templar needs more damage and a slow or more mobility maybe even a ms or armor pen attack
Damn, hate that forest walk was changed. Hurts feral a bit.
when are these updates coming?
I didn't notice anything in the beta
Survival hunters about to eat so good
hopefully dark ranger actually feels like a dark ranger these hero specs are gimicky
Yea there are some clear winners and clear losers, Hunter seem pretty boring
ret needs it
tww has made ret super squishy while reducing their damage a lot
good 😂 f rets
Glimmer of light and daybreak removed?! WOOOOOOOOOOOO
But judgement and hammer of wrath still hits like wet noodle damage.
Give me link a changes
Rogues are a mess. Noone can understand what hero talents does
The changes to avoidance and leech wont change anything for the majority of players.
kills survival tbh we need the leech to stand a chance in melee
@@DanielSmith-r3t It just means ya need to pay more attention to what is going on within any given pull, that's all.
Leech does jack all on keys where you die to unavoidable dmg that one shots you.
And everything else is basically just a skill issue, positional errors and lack of proper CC / interrupts on key targets for the most part.
Not to mention how many times i see dps players not use defensives when they should.
@@bojnebojnebojnevery important in PvP dude it's the only way we can trade with warriors ret pallys etc
Thanks!
Deleted all my characters, uninstalled the game and will never return for any reason but I do find your videos the most entertaining and informative. I watch streamers like Pikaboo rip high-level PvP as well.
The disrespect to shaman is CRAZY rn
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The food that gets cooked slow usually taste the best mate. Patience 🤟🏼
@@ravilongia I want to believe this friend. I truly do
Main rogue and im leveling a dk for this expansion cuz rogue has been completely gutted and feels awful right now and dk looks amazing
Blizz ruined survival spec was soo much better before this trash rework, the class tree is awesome but they cooked survival...Kill command is such a shit ability to press because 90% of the time your pet is rooted by some BS in pvp so and they have baked everything into kill command this is just not it blizz please revert this trash. also lost a gap closer in spearhead....what the actual fuck are blizz thinking and then on top of it all they remove flanking strike....why...why...why whoever thought this was a good idea needs find a new job.
Wow they removed glimmer.... to buff light of dawn.... blizzard is brain dead.... remember is Legion when you would go to the leaderboards and you see all the specs and classes represented in reasonable numbers I remember..... the leader board for war within will be rogue mage warriors monks demon hunter and resto druids oh and fem boy dragons.... bruh the fem boy dragons man these people I'm not going to give them money for trash
Waiting for Living Bomb nerf in retail. In larger maps (ie epics) it does instant, unhealable, damage.
You cant tell me Fluid Form should be a talent. There are literally macros that do the talent... it's just another wasted talent pretending to be QoL but it actually adds more buttons lmfao. I'll tell you right now, if Blizzard removes those macros from the game, I won't be playing a druid ever again.
Fluid form saves you a GCD since it costs a global to shift into a form. Dash, roar, and kick are the only ones off the GCD. You could have a macro but you still have to press it twice to hit an ability other than those. Althought the talent is mediocre for all specs other than resto and Druid of the Claw ferals/guardians tbh
RIP my fire mage :(