[Discrete Mathematics] Direct Proofs Examples

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  • In this video we tackle a divisbility proof and then prove that all integers are the difference of two squares.
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  • @TheMacTownPoke
    @TheMacTownPoke 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Writing out each step more clearly (as most professors require) would improve your discrete tutorials. I appreciate your effort

  • @BearfootBrad
    @BearfootBrad ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what program do you use to make these tutorials??

  • @jamiewrithe8367
    @jamiewrithe8367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How do you know to go down a path showing 5j=2a and then j=2k ? Why not one of the other paths I'm sure exists? Is it just practice that makes the path to the final proof more easy to find?

  • @countingpebbles1797
    @countingpebbles1797 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun video. Well done!

  • @sherlynrosales7740
    @sherlynrosales7740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Prove using direct proof :
    a.) If n is even and m is odd, then the product of nm is always even.
    b.) Prove that, for any odd integer n , the number 2n2+5n+4 must be odd

  • @blakef.8566
    @blakef.8566 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    For proof that 7 divides a, can we say that j = 4k since 4 is a multiple of 4, and therefore still true? Or could we not do this because not every even number can be written as 4k since numbers like 2 or 6 would require k to not be an integer?
    Also, do you have videos on the symbols you use? I'm a bit unclear on what they mean and how to use them?

    • @ji23delgado
      @ji23delgado 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I'm 2 years late, but for those who will be reading these, yes you can do it
      Let's say 7|4a
      7j=4a
      Since 4a is divisible by 4, there 7j must also be divisible by 4
      This means that j must be divisible by 4, and by that we should use j=4k

    • @kennu3988
      @kennu3988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am 3 years late but yeah, I've also been having problems with using 2k but then I realized 4k also serves the same purpose.

  • @bous006
    @bous006 8 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Assume 7|4a where every a is an integer
    7j = 4a. Because 7 is odd then j needs to be even (j = 2k).
    7(2k) = 4a. Simplify
    7k = 2a. Because 7 is odd then j needs to be even (k = 2r).
    7(2r) = 2a. Simplify
    7r = a
    7|a

    • @anibalc.ripollr.9643
      @anibalc.ripollr.9643 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I do not grasp why if 7r=a, then 7 is divisible by a.

    • @rkcst6503
      @rkcst6503 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a bit tricky, but true. The reason is because we know that r is a whole integer because we put j there to begin with to represent a whole integer and we eventually just transformed it to r. I am not sure how to explain it because I barely understand it myself.

    • @peteryuan6909
      @peteryuan6909 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I used j = 4k. So does that mean the original claim is valid?

    • @jrmusan
      @jrmusan 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here, ever figure to out?

    • @johanronkko4494
      @johanronkko4494 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is the definition of integer division. If a*b=c then both a and b are dividers of c. Say a=7 and b=3, then c is 21. In that case 21/3 must be 7 and 21/7 must be 3.

  • @andresnieves9018
    @andresnieves9018 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you do it this way??
    If 7|4a then there exists a number k (in the set of positive integers) such that 7k=4a;
    If 7|a then there exists a number j (in the set of positive integers) such that 7j=a;
    Then substituting a= 7j into 7k=4a,
    7k=4(7j), then 7k=28j, which is k=4j.
    If we substitute the value of k into 7k=4a, then 7(4j)=4a, which is 28j=4a
    Thus 7j=a, proving 7|a.

  • @bekkiiboo619
    @bekkiiboo619 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Assume 7|4a.
    Then 7j = 4a, and 4a/7 = j.
    For 7|a, then it must be that a/7 = j/4.
    For j to be an element of the positive integers, it must be that j is a multiple of 4.

    • @grrrimamonster7894
      @grrrimamonster7894 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's an interesting way of proving it.
      I guess you could also go from 7j=4a --> 7(j/4)=a,
      which is of the form 7k=a, proving that 7|a as well.
      I guess it's cool that there are so many ways of proving things.

  • @ebitdaddyca3676
    @ebitdaddyca3676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know what software he uses? It looks so clean I need it!

  • @bekkiiboo619
    @bekkiiboo619 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Question: I enjoyed how you used a few examples to see a pattern and create a formula for such. My question is this: since I am not taking discrete mathematics currently (I am studying this independently), would I be allowed to do such thing in a formal proof? I feel like probably not, but how would you go about this if not? And how would I explain what I was doing? I am a physics major, and yet I'm required to still do proofs in physics, so I need to know for this semester.

    • @Trevtutor
      @Trevtutor  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You'd have to prove the formula holds using mathematical induction, generally.

    • @bekkiiboo619
      @bekkiiboo619 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @thepedzed
    @thepedzed ปีที่แล้ว

    Also a few examples of negative integers for the theorem "Every odd integer is a difference of two squares.":
    2k + 1 = (k + 1)² - k²
    -------------------------------------
    1 = 1² - 0²
    3 = 2² - 1²
    5 = 3² - 2²
    -1 = (0)² - (-1)² = 0² - 1²
    -3 = (-1)² - (-2)² = 1² - 2²
    -5 = (-2)² - (-3)² = 2² - 3²

  • @brian_kirk
    @brian_kirk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the Divisibility Examples video you showed a counter example to disprove a question similar to this. If a=2 wouldn't that be a counter example to 5|4?

    • @domi0210664
      @domi0210664 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but the proposition is, if 5|2a than 5|a . 5|4 is not true, so you can't put in a=2

  • @gayatrinakar5049
    @gayatrinakar5049 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shouldn't it be 5/j = 2a?

  • @mohamedtaher6924
    @mohamedtaher6924 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't get where the j come from , it suddenly appears !!

    • @nightravels4028
      @nightravels4028 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Watch the Divisibility video...

    • @joelcruz2873
      @joelcruz2873 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      if you assign 5/2a to a number (j in this case) such that j = 5/2a (this reads j equals 5 divided by 2a), then you rearrange the both sides into 5j =2a

  • @grrrimamonster7894
    @grrrimamonster7894 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Prove 7|4a --> 7|a:
    1. Assume 7|4a
    2. 7j=4a=2(2a) [definition of divisibility: some j exists where 7j=4a; rewrite 4a as 2(2a) to demonstrate that it's even]
    3. j=2k [j must be even to make 7j even because the 2 sides are equal, so j=2k for some k]
    4. 7(2k)=2(2a) [substitute 2k for j]
    5. 7k=2a [divide both sides by 2; now we can do steps 3-5 again essentially]
    6. k=2m [LIKE STEP 3: k must be even to make 7k even, so declare m=2k for some m]
    7. 7(2m)=2a [LIKE STEP 4: sub 2m for k]
    8. 7m=a [LIKE STEP 5: divide both sides by 2]
    9. 7|a [by definition of divisibility: some m exists where 7m=a, meaning 7|a]

    • @itsnee
      @itsnee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      W

    • @grrrimamonster7894
      @grrrimamonster7894 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@itsnee lol i don't even remember this comment, the class was so long ago, but it looks right. Does w mean what? Does something seem off or unclear in my answer?

  • @williamb9724
    @williamb9724 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    if 7/4a then7/a
    Assume: 7j = 4a , for some intager j
    j = 4k , for some intager k
    so,
    7(4k) = 4a
    7k = a
    =7/a

    • @drewrodrigues
      @drewrodrigues 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why does j = 4k? I'm having a difficult time with these.. In the proof he does as an example, he uses the definition of odd/even as the next step and substitutes. So I'm curious where the 4k comes from! :P Thanks in advance

    • @funckysoull1059
      @funckysoull1059 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      fuck math

    • @sakitoido
      @sakitoido 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drewrodrigues pretty much a number, lets say b is even if b = 2(a), a is an integer, but if thats true, then b = 4g, g is an integer too.

    • @xor_255
      @xor_255 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sakitoido If we have to describe 2 as 4(g), then g will be 0.5, which is not an integer.... i am confused

    • @wisdomtv360
      @wisdomtv360 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      WHY ARE WE USING 4K

  • @RiriTaw
    @RiriTaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ure voice💞

  • @anabautista9599
    @anabautista9599 ปีที่แล้ว

    why do we assume that 5j=2a ?

    • @Yonverpage
      @Yonverpage ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what I'm confused about. Why does he need to use the 'j'.

  • @dplasticdoucoure9912
    @dplasticdoucoure9912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does 5j=2a?

    • @MrBeafyYT
      @MrBeafyYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      that’s what I’m confused about too

    • @djalalaymen4951
      @djalalaymen4951 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because 5 devides 2a which means 5 times some number is equal to 2a

    • @HC83KIm
      @HC83KIm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the antecedent is clearly wrong since it's not the that case "all" even numbers are multiples of 5 (easiest counterexample being there's no integer j s.t. 5j=2)...but if you start with a wrong antecedent then you implication is always going to be true (F⇒F ∨ F⇒T) so I guess we can just move on...

  • @ariasortizmoises4683
    @ariasortizmoises4683 ปีที่แล้ว

    Alguien más de la facultad de ciencias de la unam jajaja

  • @szacsp
    @szacsp 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    why did you make j even?

    • @szacsp
      @szacsp 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      ok..but why did he use?

    • @Shiga2714
      @Shiga2714 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because if we assume 5j = 2a, and 5 is an odd number, we must assume j is an even number. This is because 5j must be even in order to equal 2a, which is an even number. Therefore, 5(2k) is an even number.

  • @MizzAnto123
    @MizzAnto123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how do you get 5/a? i see 5/a=1/k

    • @boudyhesham5875
      @boudyhesham5875 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's because K didn't exist from the begain he assumed it

    • @spacesuitred3839
      @spacesuitred3839 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think j is a number which can be a fraction (1/2) or integer(1,2,3) so we denote that as J

    • @val4030
      @val4030 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It looks like 5/a, but it's actually 5|a which is: 5 divides into a, which means a is divisible by 5 (a/5 = no remainder)

    • @aaronlim2PlaysMC
      @aaronlim2PlaysMC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@boudyhesham5875 so the k only exists to prove that 5 can be divided by some integer? is there some basic definition that i'm missing?

  • @pedramhaqiqi7030
    @pedramhaqiqi7030 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    we dont know if the squares are consecutive ! so its K+n not 1

  • @mohammedabdullah5267
    @mohammedabdullah5267 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I already lost when you said 5j

  • @clairemuthoni87
    @clairemuthoni87 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    May you kindly help me with..... Prove that 7 is an odd number

  • @rodrickngonyoku5042
    @rodrickngonyoku5042 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    But 5/a = 1/k... am lost

  • @AnandKumar-kz3ls
    @AnandKumar-kz3ls 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    69 !!!

  • @nimcomohamed25
    @nimcomohamed25 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am getting 2a/7

    • @TimsDaBossMC
      @TimsDaBossMC 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think since that is 2(a/7) then that means 7|a, but idk

  • @trexbattle
    @trexbattle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This fool said 69

  • @flixerstudios1862
    @flixerstudios1862 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You start off wrong. 5 does not 2a for EVERY a in Z. For example 5 does not divide 2a when a is 3. So the for all sign is wrong.

  • @lacandela69
    @lacandela69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol. 69

  • @detroitpistonsplayoffs
    @detroitpistonsplayoffs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ughh

  • @halloweenfan9459
    @halloweenfan9459 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    where the hell did the j come from ur imagination? .....

    • @Trevtutor
      @Trevtutor  6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      if a|b then then ac=b for some c. Since 5|2a that means that 5b=2a for some b. I just picked j since j,k,l,m,n are common variables in number theory.

  • @Sgnsgndgnsgne
    @Sgnsgndgnsgne ปีที่แล้ว

    FACE REVEAL!!!!

    • @Trevtutor
      @Trevtutor  ปีที่แล้ว

      TrevTutor.com 🙈

  • @Hardi.B
    @Hardi.B 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These examples are not helpful. You're skipping steps and not explaining your reasoning at all.

  • @Sepfins
    @Sepfins 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shouldn't it be 5/j = 2a?