Red Sea rivalries: The Gulf, the Horn, and the new geopolitics of the Red Sea
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- On April 18, the Brookings Institution hosted an event on unpacking the changing geopolitics of the Red Sea and consider the role of the United States and other foreign actors in this emerging theater.
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How come there is no a single East Africans among the panels?
Stop talking behind East Africans back.
Respect and do not exclude us from the conversation about ourselves.
Your point is very valid, but there is no one from the gulf side as well, so its a balance
East Africans or, for that matter, Horn African nations should have been talking thier interest and global relations among themselves and could have had unified policies that serve their best interests. Unfortunately, my people, the East Africans failed to do so.
Anyways, all these people here swivel chair analysts and know nothing about the nuts and bolts of the horn of Africa or the red sea. The perspective is clearly colonial with a brushing attitude of ownership of the horn of Africa.
They are all afflicted by "white saviour complex"!!!!!
Not east african horn of African
I think it is time to leave the east africans and redsea region countries to solve their problems by themselves for their mutual interests and that is what we are observing right now.
the americans, europeans ,asians or any country for that matter ....should learn no intervention but only give support at a request and not create chaos at the expense of these poor countries.....
Indeed treu dear Thanks for ur postively thinking
so much has happened since this talk
these people are not nearly as impressive as normal citizens from the region
China's presence in the Red sea shouldn't be seen as provocative. It's for economic cooperation with the region and surely will eventually replace the hitoric colonial interventions of the West that has left the Horn into poverty and endless conflicts.
Great convo from a White perspective, I would like a African/Black one.
First, Black and African are not synonyms. Neither is White a synonym for European. When everyone is black, nobody is.
2. Let's be honest: there are very few Africans interested in this subject, if they did there'd be plenty of videos on TH-cam on the subject made by Africans but there's none
I have to agree with this, and I'm not a great proponent of this sort of viewpoint. "Our tax payers are more generous" really said it all for me. They are holding this conversation entirely through the white middle class lexicon. Western taxpayers want their own money spent on their own countries. We have done enough already both for good and bad in the Horn and Red Sea. Let the people there decide their own futures.
All African are not black 😂😂😂
@@ahmedeeqnur4047 who said that? You thought you said something
@@ahmedeeqnur4047 they are native Africans are ...
What America could do is respect the sovereignty of Ethiopia and not enter fear. The truth is perceived clearly despite these think tanks. What we see is what we get, if we get what we see. We don't require Alexa or AI to cognize.
Support from Eritrea
Colonialism mindsets leave us alone #nomore #oneafrica
All of them are dam Eritrea 🇪🇷 own 1000 km they don’t mention one time because Eritrea they kick them out they scare like hill from Eritrea 🇪🇷 and naw the worst thing Ethiopia priminster be come friend of Eritrea that’s a big problem for the west against their wishes if those people they call themselves experts or educated what ever been honest they have to talk to Eritrea government one of the best government in Africa but they can’t there’s ideology deferent between west and Eritrea
english haxiratni krub enber gerimni bzaeba etiopia trah kzarebo nhna kelena ab hnbrti red sea
These so-called experts are shallow, narrow, and not holding much water. Pathetic.
what happen noble price, I was watching when these meeting happen. what about now? Thank you.
Thanks for the Program, the United Nation under ( Uni-Som ) of 24000 Troops from Africa deployed in Somalia since 2011 which cost USA and west Europe around 500 Million Dollars/Euros Yearly or more. This Money can build easily a Somali Army of 36000 Personnel and Navy of 4000 Personnel. All Piracy and Lawlessness will end and Somalia will be in Peace but were Refused and the United Arab Emirates ( UAE ) involvement in Somalia of only one Million People are just Tools and every Somalian knows of an Agenda from USA and West Europe to Somalia of these two Objectives 1) Oil Reserve if Confirmed or 2) Somalia signed one Belt one Road ( OBOR ) with China or Both. If Somalia and China has successful Relationship, China will have a strong Presence in the west of Indian Ocean and just like China Presence in Djibouti in the Red Sea. I think our Suffering will continue until at least 2020 because of the International Politics and until the United Nation pack up and leaves and just like when Eritrea closed the United Nation Office and kick them out and replace it with a real Partner of 50/50 for Somalia and the Somali People.
You are concerned about the presence of China. Hmm, we are concerned about the Americans presence as well who are trying to be the police of the world interfering in the affairs of a sovereign country.
East African people should be in the panel to raise their concerns that will be fair
Embodied opinions. Listen to the paternalistic register of discussion across this cross-legged canvas without so much as the flinch of a brow: the "crashing together", "for better or for worse", of these "asymmetric relationships". Frankly, the most asymmetric thing about the Red Sea is this discussion; an exercise in neo--neo-colonialism. Here we have grown men and a woman, sentient and intelligent creatures each and everyone, talking as if the land belongs to them and infantilising peoples from the Horn of Africa. It is the well-worn process of othering the African in a complex system of devaluation but designed here less to imbue the West's sense of superiority over the Black man---that point is less presumed by this panel than merely disregarded as a lesser concern in a higher stakes game---than one designed to position the West in a place of moral superiority over China, Russia, and the Gulf nations. Of course, the worst of it is the audacity to play this charade out in public, a tragedy in five acts, record it, and peddle it as some kind of altruistic going concern.
You mean the Persian Gulf, true?!
Golly gee! It sure is great getting to watch a bunch of white people discuss what should happen in a country full of black people. This seems a regular thing with Brookings.
Jibutu was part of Ethiopia before taken by France for100 years lease
agreement with king Minilk of Ethiopia
Why are you interfering to other countries? They can cleaning their home themselves if they have any issues! Leave them alone
Williams David Gonzalez David Smith Sandra
A am somalia lov
Turkey have stronger ties to the horn and defended somali sultanates of adel in the red sea and d gulf of berbers present the gulf of aden and sultanate of mogadiscio and sultanate of ajuraan in western indian ocean
Is is ok
Wat is barabalen mi abdi
Ok
Not one mention of Israel and the strait of Tiran on the Red Sea or the Negev which Pres Weizmann pleaded heavily with Pres Truman for it to be added into Israel’s territory. Even if Ben-Gurion said for Israel to survive it must look south. Not to mention Israeli’s military bases in Eritrea or the blockade of the Eilat port in 1967 which was the primary cause of the Six-Day War with the Arabs. Well, at least there was tea and biscuits.
Mi inar qe mi mud shosoyal i am is lam ilxam dulaahi
May wetid allah i mi aslilam
Is not sogsowell sabadhe iskay sagsuwen aley min halegare soshiya figtorori min gudman karena inolaw sabadhe shid
😅
Alxm i is nod fayo jar nasan swedan
Ok mi a im somalia anid janji may lif sosiyal fic toriye san badhe abdi dis kay is tares mi is nod is tares
Is nor chena mi
Wallahi is nod qanis imid magala
I don’t think anyone of us in this panel has any knowledge about African policy what’s the African people need first and dipping and the developer for the past 100+ years where were you guys are
The British guy is just waffaling
Is not askoliste mi no by inid 1 rum swedan elar him
We are sorry for your information you didn't include somaliland which is very important to Africa and you should know what we are not Somalia somaliland and Somalia are 2 deferens country's we have government, flag, currency. Respect somaliland people.
Loser. No such thing as Somaliland. Doesn't exist. Never will.,🖕
Hopeless us Ethiopia and Eritrea and jibouti will never wanted what you call somaliland imagine Ethiopia is almost 110 million people different tribes and languages or maybe Eritrea with different tribes and religions and languages or maybe jibouti with different tribe afar and isa different language we don't want another country in the region
Ethiopia will never want new country what is the benefit of new country somaliland hopeless my be join Ethiopia if don't want to be part of Somalia join Ethiopia that is good we don't want new country in the region period full stop
Belle you heard our neighbors or brothers no one want another country between Somalia and Ethiopia we are all benefits been together. Basically east African countries can be like European powerful economical can work together but we will never work or be part of GOLF countries.
Somaliland or north somalia is somali sub region. the world in geography doesn't know anything about sub regions but only governments with UN seats and Sovereignty.
Inid agud halev awar hospitell
No
Ok mud sosiysal tid tomomorow coll min talefon
Ok hamani yeris hom los mi
Mi is not janji mey lif way swedan
Ok mi is not iskoll africa shid way anid is kull mas karace way barabalen toc swedan mi hanikam mi 33 or shid war shid im ok
Ok way karina may lif janji laf way ino naw may lif shid
Mi i am somali
Ok ilo haf baba shid
Mi ko komon tomorow
My dirty is black the night is black all bad things are black my identity is somali
Sorry fictoriya alac
Ok inid karina ilac way
Sorry mi man garinina min gudman
Inof baba mu sorry
Ok mi is not lasun karina malisan
Ok wad u naw shid may lif is notis tares shid
Shid is not qanis shid
Ok rasbagti swedan inid obaren mi
Stop toking abat eastafrica. We know you wahte peuple. No more to get it . Africain for africain no more vieil
Mi is not agtar mey alx dulah ilak sosiyal oll may fojir
The new political and economic crusader.
Ras bagti molotigal isafari
Mi is tot oll allkohol is mogkin ashish
Ok aned l run
Ano naw no mogadisho mi is not agtar mi
Ok naw is not tog naw inolag sosoyal ranta mi
No is not go agrika 1 yes may alow
Is not agtar mi shid
Tok magareshin ferista i am sulam
Sorry i am somali karina way miis not abokad if mej
Is tot ranta sosoyall
I watched the entire discussion three times and find it interesting to find that Russia does not appear anywhere in the presentation. GCC countries are waking up to the growing presence of China in particular which will effect the Dubai ports economically. I think West is going to stand back and let China sink herself as a financier of projects in the African continent and when comes a time to collect the money they will fail the way nations of West and IMF failed to collect the debts from Africa. The developed nations of the West had to write-off the money owed to them and China will face the same issue in 10 to 20 years time. Africa has become a sucker of free money and when they accumulate debts which multiplies with the interest rate the bleeding hearts start a movement to write off debts because of the increasing level of poverty and hunger in the region. It will be interesting to watch as to who comes on top at the end of the power struggle going on in the region.
Well even if African states can’t pay back their debt in the future, China already has leverage on them from so many different aspects at the time its financing ended. So it would be stupid for Western countries to leave China alone in Africa.
China at least build infrastructure for Africa ,
alike western They just exploit natural minrale.
Way iniid jop sorry anid gotanborry
Ok inid aderis sorry 1 rum
Ok inid in run ilar shid inid gange may lif way i hah 3 jirdarer alxdulah mi i am man hufad
Mi waman is nod bac fac no is nod god sorry
Binka allahu agbar mi i am os lam tankiyo
Das barobaro balen mast balen susiyal isa isafara ilac isafariga us not is tates mi no
Ok ino naw amerika oll tug mi of may laf shid hom los no hafs no nani inid sos hamani yeris hom los
Ala fall mi sosoyal mi qoq
Way min fesbak bolac anaw karina wer min son
How is Herman Cohen related to TpLf? Is it true that there is marriage relationship with TPLF?
Inquiry minds need to know!
sosoyal tid meg
Thanks for realizing that we all read my be we analyse your speeches or maybe we Ethiopia Eritrea Somalia jibouti we do have our interests in a different prospective in a different manner not that the variety of colours all mankind have the same test i mean colour noooooooooo
Sorry is not to usa i hah najmo somali geral
All roads lead to Jerusalem.
To ROME. Not Jerusalem.
Simple: Why don't you leave us alone. When you say ""Risk'', what risk are you talking about? A risk for our development or risk that one day Africa might not expose itself to European long white fangs? It is really dreadful to see you white people gathering together to devise a way to scavenge the leftover of the colonial past. I would like to tell you this: It won't happen in Ethiopia, NOT AGAIN!
You are discussing the Red sea but invited no African countries living around it. How contemptuous!!!
Brookings - Could you please put the name, title and organization of panel participants in the comments of videos, thanks.
The old man is a joker “ we foot the bill of their mess”
You take a lot from Africa than you return lol
I think the western still think that Africans are foolish .This day every thing is give & take according to international agreement between the two party .No more cheating or showing power .Respect me i will respect.No more cheating or creating conflict in the name of religion .
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Great conversation but I don't understand why are they talking about Africa and No African is there? Is this just me Or....? As far as I understand the ''MAP'' Ethiopia never been by the Red sea unless there is other MAP that we don't know can some one help me.
They are mixing region and coastline together. One stone two birds. Etiopia is a landlocked country, but it is the US and some European countries influences that place Etiopia in the region to become a key player besides Egypt. Etiopia is also on the great Lakes politcal sphere gaming on the Blue Nile Hot 🔥 issues.
Sleepy Spectators! Ya right! You are restlessly Involving Hungry Giants. Nice Try, anyways.
China presence in the region is inevitable, she has great interest of the water way, the security of her oil transportation and commercial trade, her investments in the region also increasing. She has no choice but to participate and responsible for the activities in the region.
U called your self as experts, 😜😜😜🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷 , u tried to hide Eritrean influence in that region, as u do fore z last 80 years of your selfish policy, and that makes u to make the right analysis, HOA is saying " no more"
Leave somalia allone leave us alone somalia had enough
Leave Eritrea alone which also leave Africa issues to Africa's continent
Mi is not alimanis anid jop is not
Who ever suports the greater somalia is going to be the quick winner rather than playing Arab china euro america religion and so on all we can do now is acting warning factions to keep every away because conflicts will bring more countries to involve in
Thanks Alex, The Greek .I agree with everything he said. The worlds heart beats right around the red sea.this is where the religion and politics merge.Ethiopia is the melting pot for East Africa,Africa and the world at large.
Its about time to Europe and America to actively and positively act on binding these East African countries .
Is not istares mi nanib istates mi wallahi is nod istates may lileh sososital
We the people of eastern Africa must Stand together to defend the aggression of US lead western dictatorial rule. Ethiopians are an exemplary people who defended the whites superiority. The diplomacy must be on wine wine approach nit by racism and regime change. Ethiopians are pushed to act Wildish to defend the sovereignty. China and Russia may dominate the region if USA doesn't change the distractive foreign policy.